============================================================== Guild: Antares Development Initiative Channel: Antares Grant Program / agp-operations ============================================================== [29-Jun-24 12:34 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Hello, I was told to come here in regards to the ADI grants to new players [29-Jun-24 12:39 PM] archielvahr#0000 Hey @shrewdsun_88540 I think I remember you! It looks like you are back with a fresh corp and a COLIQ? [29-Jun-24 12:40 PM] archielvahr#0000 I can hook you up with a grant! [29-Jun-24 12:51 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Thanks, yeah restarted playing about 2 weeks ago. [05-Jul-24 09:24 PM] puncher23#0000 Hello so the plan for Nike is to maximise its natural resources and build up a big construction base with MK2 and work on up to ship parts eventually. I have a ship docking at Antares station in 3.5 hours 🙂 [05-Jul-24 10:43 PM] puncher23#0000 Ok here is what i have planned since they said i can add it [05-Jul-24 10:43 PM] puncher23#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1258991589599084635/image.png?ex=6814e809&is=68139689&hm=8dc6454cdb94b829f4453e655dc18a940081e5289ed3ed1eb303c66bc35944c3& [06-Jul-24 12:40 AM] jvaler#0000 you can build quite a bit more than this with 750k, but i like the plan. though you should probably ditch the EXT in favor of more PP1/PP2 because @avalock actually has a dedicated LST mine on nike already that they sell to #internal-offers and to the LM i'll go ahead and send you a cont for the grant [06-Jul-24 12:41 AM] puncher23#0000 Ok thank you i am 7 minutes out from docking i was going to do the LST mine to feed the pp1 but were flexable 🙂 [06-Jul-24 12:42 AM] jvaler#0000 you can keep the EXT if you really want, but afaik avacyn would like more customers lol [06-Jul-24 12:43 AM] jvaler#0000 that and looking ahead to when you'll have 5 experts, it's more efficient to stay within a single industry rather than having EXT that don't get the bonus from either experts nor CoGC [06-Jul-24 12:43 AM] puncher23#0000 I am just trying to maximise income as mch as I can and this is one way for now I can EFFICIENCY tune it in the furture to synergize more with the whole plan [06-Jul-24 12:44 AM] puncher23#0000 I agree I think cogc should be able to have split bonuses tbh [06-Jul-24 12:44 AM] jvaler#0000 i get that, just letting you know the opportunity is there to plan ahead for efficiency without the downside of having to buy expensive LST nor deal with the costs of shipping it in [06-Jul-24 12:45 AM] puncher23#0000 roger we gotcha ill modify the plan 🙂 I can import LST its a non issue tbh [06-Jul-24 12:45 AM] jvaler#0000 once you scale up those PP2 with only starter ships i think that'll change :P [06-Jul-24 12:46 AM] puncher23#0000 I am currently trying to learn the word..PATIENCE ..lol [06-Jul-24 12:46 AM] puncher23#0000 Why this Grant is pretty awesome it moves things forward expodentially {Reactions} ✅ (2) [06-Jul-24 12:46 AM] jvaler#0000 yeah yeah! just steering a little bit 🤐 [06-Jul-24 12:47 AM] puncher23#0000 Lol way i steer it give it MORE gas !! [06-Jul-24 12:47 AM] puncher23#0000 slide that sucker [06-Jul-24 12:52 AM] puncher23#0000 thanks again very clever way to transfer funds. [06-Jul-24 12:55 AM] jvaler#0000 yup lol [06-Jul-24 02:31 AM] nyanism#0000 Moving both AL and LST to nike would surely be a pain with starter ship another “fast buck” approach could be Hephaestus, as its fairly close and almost easy for shipping, extra is you can always ping rise and ask him if he need another base there, he usually up for sponsoring some project somewhere at any given time [06-Jul-24 02:33 AM] puncher23#0000 I just use the lst with silicon to make the mcg for basic pp1 stuff for my bases tbh and I got a corp guy sells me lst at a good price so having the extracter was an idea but not a solid had to thing, [06-Jul-24 02:33 AM] puncher23#0000 And basic in system seems to be priced to sell decently [07-Jul-24 05:06 PM] jvaler#0000 @helminsted you're definitely still eligible for AGP do you have any base plans in mind? [07-Jul-24 08:34 PM] helminsted#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/a4a2b987-ae7c-45f0-800b-9d67d57be23d {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/a4a2b987-ae7c-45f0-800b-9d67d57be23d PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [07-Jul-24 08:34 PM] helminsted#0000 this was the template that was going to be used [07-Jul-24 08:36 PM] helminsted#0000 sorry for late reply, also the template was supplemented by a starting funds of 2.7mill, 2mill of which was for the base infrastructure, and the 700k was for the supplies. [07-Jul-24 08:37 PM] tanda#0000 that base in specific would be covered by the kevin loan [07-Jul-24 08:37 PM] tanda#0000 was there another base in the near future you wanted? the AGP could be used for that [07-Jul-24 08:38 PM] helminsted#0000 ah ok, well i was hoping for making a sort of base for my original profession of stl fuel refining, a base that would support that was my goal [07-Jul-24 08:40 PM] helminsted#0000 as for the location, a planet was in mind that had all 3 ingredients on planet, but now i think i'll make a base that won't necessarily require that, in favor of a better location of the base. [07-Jul-24 09:07 PM] helminsted#0000 https://prunplanner.org/plan/ZV-759e unless a better planet is found {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/plan/ZV-759e PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [07-Jul-24 09:14 PM] helminsted#0000 https://prunplanner.org/plan/ZV-759e/e5d495b6-210f-4995-bb34-b32706faa721 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/plan/ZV-759e/e5d495b6-210f-4995-bb34-b32706faa721 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [07-Jul-24 09:14 PM] helminsted#0000 finished plan or at least i think this would be ok [08-Jul-24 09:32 AM] jvaler#0000 the plan is blank for me... [08-Jul-24 10:30 AM] helminsted#0000 I'm sorry 😞 I'm trying to figure it out [08-Jul-24 10:33 AM] jvaler#0000 it's okay! [08-Jul-24 10:33 AM] jvaler#0000 isn't ZV-759e a fuel refining planet though? do you plan on doing fuel refineries? [08-Jul-24 10:38 AM] helminsted#0000 yes, i plan to source the resources on site and hopefully make a bunch of STL fuel for market [08-Jul-24 10:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think prunplanner is being weird. I can't see anything [08-Jul-24 10:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 even for my own bases [08-Jul-24 11:24 PM] archielvahr#0000 Planet payload changed in the fio update today, probably need to wait for an update to prunplanner [08-Jul-24 11:25 PM] archielvahr#0000 You can follow up with Scorpio here: https://discord.com/channels/667551433503014924/1103962459750006894/1260088001275625554 [09-Jul-24 11:35 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Can I get a bit of feedback on my thinking here as I'm still pretty green. Currently my base on Harmonia doesn't export anything, instead I've been focusing on arbitraging LM and CX's and importing only raw resources to produce consumables, prefabs & materials [09-Jul-24 11:38 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 In about a week I'll have the resources to start a small base on Life and my thinking is that I'll move all my FP of Harmonia, build a couple Hydroponics and really focus on Harmonia being an agricultural focus. [09-Jul-24 11:46 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 But my question marks are - how difficult will it be to get workers to Life of various tiers (I don't understand the population mechanic) - is transporting raw ag products to be finished elsewhere even a viable solution when considering the ship damage from the high pressure environment on Life - Are there worlds out there that actually use a COGC food production efficiency thing? I can't find them - anything I've missed [09-Jul-24 12:08 PM] sidepipe#0000 Norwick is a good choice for food production - the planet search tool can be useful for that on prunplanner [09-Jul-24 12:09 PM] sidepipe#0000 Since life is a hydroponics planet with some extra materials required, I wouldn’t build there yet. Not until you’re planning on doing more farming than you can do on harmonia [09-Jul-24 12:10 PM] sidepipe#0000 Transporting the products isn’t too bad - they’re bulky, though. Transporting the output of a full 13 FRMs with starter ships is doable, but annoying [09-Jul-24 06:46 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Thanks for the Prunplanner tip, I've been meaning to learn it. Why is Norwick a food processing world? Is it because it's got nothing else much going for it in any of its planets? I'd be nervous to invest in a planet JUST because of its current government program [09-Jul-24 07:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 Well, there’s lots of planets like that - sometimes COGC happens because of useful resources (like resource extraction on a rich ore planet), sometimes because it’s got no useful resources and it’s cheap to build on [09-Jul-24 07:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 If you’re nervous, you can check the PLI for norwick and look at who votes what for COGC. It’s been a food production planet for as long as I’ve played [09-Jul-24 07:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 It’s also very well established. COGC almost never changes on larger planets, so I wouldn’t worry about that too much [09-Jul-24 07:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 For what it’s worth, it’s also cheap to build on (doesn’t need any special materials) and it’s reasonably close to Harmonia [09-Jul-24 08:46 PM] archielvahr#0000 There'd be some serious pitchforks if any worlds changed COGC without a significant discussion [09-Jul-24 08:48 PM] archielvahr#0000 Norwick is just fairly close to harmonia and cheap to build on, and we didn't really have an FP planet in ANT, that's why we made it food processing. [09-Jul-24 08:50 PM] archielvahr#0000 It was one of the first planets I remember us building up, back when I was a fresh-faced noob [11-Jul-24 08:56 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Mm alright. When I've got a half a day to myself I'll sit down and learn PrunPlanner. But currently I'm thinking Ag products and carbon from Harmonia, oxygen and algie from Life and finished in Norwick for PPA/MEA [13-Jul-24 12:55 AM] x_draak_x#0000 I'd like to request a grant [13-Jul-24 12:59 AM] archielvahr#0000 Do you have a pro license? And also I think we like to see a plan- Either something thrown together in prunplanner on a planet in ANT space, or a short description of what will be built where, and what the product you'd like to target is [13-Jul-24 01:03 AM] x_draak_x#0000 Yes I have a pro license, I tried looking at prunplanner, but it just gave me a headache. So I'll just decsribe what the first bit of my goal is; after I figure out how to make a second base and get that up and running, I'll start producing crops there, some of which I'll turn into carbon, the rest I'll sell. The carbon will go to my first base for refining ALO [13-Jul-24 01:04 AM] archielvahr#0000 Good enough for me, I sent a contract your way in-game [13-Jul-24 01:04 AM] x_draak_x#0000 Ok! Thank you! [13-Jul-24 01:05 AM] archielvahr#0000 Others here can probably help out with those details - it's my bedtime now though 😄 [13-Jul-24 01:05 AM] x_draak_x#0000 haha ok [13-Jul-24 10:40 AM] wolfking6116#0000 I think I'd also be interested in a grant. Currently only a Free license. Somewhat considering grabbing Pro but I have some vague commitment issues when it comes to subscriptions 😅 I haven't looked into prunplanner, but I'm doing things somewhat similar to Fiery_Ashes above. Started on Harmonia as a Victualler, with a small pivot into Carbon for some additional profit. Probably plan to expand those operations until I figure out any advanced or secondary works I want to delve into. I really like the concepts of Exploration and Settling new areas, so assisting others with that directive is fairly ideal! [13-Jul-24 02:44 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/e85bf186-3dc1-4419-bab5-c05b5d8b25f0 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/e85bf186-3dc1-4419-bab5-c05b5d8b25f0 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [13-Jul-24 02:44 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/027b2482-73c6-4934-bbfc-a2142a2dcac3 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/027b2482-73c6-4934-bbfc-a2142a2dcac3 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [13-Jul-24 02:51 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Alright so despite the excellent points made by Sidepipe and others, I'm already so prepared with MHL and other resources to make the jump to LIFE that I think I might as well do it. I spent ages on the planner and it seems to me with the level of prepped I am, I'll get revenues flowing faster as soon as I'm making ALG and PPT and THEN setting up base #3 in Norwick to handle all of the food prep when it gets out of control. [13-Jul-24 02:52 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 I'd use the grant to fast track the resources to set up a food prep base in Norwick maxamise efficiencies [13-Jul-24 02:56 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Also Orchards seem pretty neat and I'd consider going full retired Picard-mode with a winery and space dog down the track [13-Jul-24 02:58 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Burnt the midnight oil to submit this, it's 4am where I am. GN {Reactions} GoodNight [13-Jul-24 03:28 PM] jcheung#0000 May i ask why you have experts assigned to construction? I'm 70% sure INC is extraction but can't check [13-Jul-24 03:29 PM] akyantor#0000 INC is definitely extraction. [13-Jul-24 03:30 PM] jcheung#0000 You're extracting O here, what's the plan for that? [13-Jul-24 03:35 PM] jcheung#0000 Imo it may be better for you to abandon Life, move the HYF to Harmonia and then find a better suited planet for the FP and INC [13-Jul-24 03:35 PM] jcheung#0000 This would allow you to invest more experts into agriculture [13-Jul-24 03:36 PM] jcheung#0000 Assuming you had intended the Life RIGs for H2O and not O, getting the RIGs and INC on the same planet would probably not be a terrible idea since they use the same experts [13-Jul-24 03:36 PM] jcheung#0000 You would be able to ship water one way and raw agricultural products the other way [13-Jul-24 03:37 PM] jcheung#0000 That being said, I'm still pretty new, so take that with a grain of salt [13-Jul-24 07:20 PM] archielvahr#0000 You can't recieve private contracts until you have pro or basic, but just let me know and I'll send you one when you are ready! [13-Jul-24 07:24 PM] jvaler#0000 ~~these plans look good!~~ i'm sending u a cont for the 750k [13-Jul-24 07:24 PM] jvaler#0000 actually wait i just saw what jcheung pointed out, i missed those O extractors [13-Jul-24 07:25 PM] jvaler#0000 definitely odd place for those considering the extra building materials required [13-Jul-24 07:28 PM] jvaler#0000 okay i imported raw CX settings into your life plan and this ROI period looks pretty bad... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1261841733717590108/image.png?ex=6814ba71&is=681368f1&hm=120fb07025586e2ed5405e94f04285b0feedfac1379a9bb7f46787b190d02cea& [13-Jul-24 07:29 PM] jvaler#0000 50-60d for a new player is not something i'd recommend [13-Jul-24 07:30 PM] jvaler#0000 HYF are very expensive to build, they're more of a later game thing imo [13-Jul-24 07:31 PM] tanda#0000 It is only 4 HYF, I would assume it's a jumping off point [13-Jul-24 07:31 PM] tanda#0000 definitely should focus on something with better ROI, though [13-Jul-24 07:33 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah it's a small amount, but each HYF is still bad ROI period [13-Jul-24 07:34 PM] jvaler#0000 so it should probably go into other things, like 13 FRM and moving those FP to norwick {Reactions} 👆 (2) [13-Jul-24 07:47 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm willing to, for the moment, help transfer those funds via CX btw [13-Jul-24 11:18 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Currently because I only have 2 Ag experts. As I get more I'll change that ratio to be more in favour of agriculture. I must've forgotten to change it for my future plans haha. Currently I'm producing my own prefabs as a cost cutting measure but it's not forever [13-Jul-24 11:19 PM] jcheung#0000 well, having 2 construction does nothing for you with that design [13-Jul-24 11:21 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 The O here I can give or take. I'm currently producing C on Harmonia so I was toying with the idea of having a smelting base too. To be honest they won't be built now I have the grant and can afford to fast track Life [13-Jul-24 11:22 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 No doubt. Like I said, forgot to change after copy pasting current designs in the planner [13-Jul-24 11:31 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 So when I plan out a similar investment into Norwick instead of life, I'm seeing a slightly lower ROI. So my thinking was to use the grant to expand on my plans in LIFE that I can already afford some of and kick start Norwick so I can extract more revenue from the raw products provided by Harmonia and Life [13-Jul-24 11:31 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 And Harmonia will get the full farm stack the moment I can support all FP on Norwick [13-Jul-24 11:40 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 I've tried to best resemble a similar investment here, in a scenario where I go to Norwick instead of Life [13-Jul-24 11:40 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/60f1cc48-dca4-4956-9022-850d17c928bc {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/60f1cc48-dca4-4956-9022-850d17c928bc PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [13-Jul-24 11:40 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/8e3d54f8-d34e-4423-b2dd-63efd49b9c21 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/8e3d54f8-d34e-4423-b2dd-63efd49b9c21 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [13-Jul-24 11:47 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 It's lower revenue because we're essentially just moving all revenue making from Harmonia to Norwick. Definitely a higher ROI though... however, I've already paid half of the construction cost on the Life plans before I knew what I was doing. So I'm thinking the secret sauce to higher Agriculture rev is Norwick coming third to finish some of the higher revenue providing products that can only be produced in HYF's [13-Jul-24 11:49 PM] jcheung#0000 🤔 i have something for you to consider [13-Jul-24 11:50 PM] jcheung#0000 after you set your experts to max, if you swap your bea to the other recipe with 9bea/3mai/3nut [13-Jul-24 11:50 PM] jcheung#0000 you can change your FP over to 2dw and 9 rat [13-Jul-24 11:51 PM] jcheung#0000 and put out around 180 more rat per day [13-Jul-24 11:52 PM] jcheung#0000 oh, oops i added FPs. let me take those off [13-Jul-24 11:53 PM] jcheung#0000 restoring FP to 10 is no DW and all RATs 😁 [13-Jul-24 11:54 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 You're right, the DW doesn't make sense here [13-Jul-24 11:56 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Luckily I'll be getting my 3rd Ag expert soon so that Harmonia would be able to keep up in this scenario w just RAT production [13-Jul-24 11:57 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Anyway I can share the empire view page? We're still at ~$10k less profit than the Harmonia and Life plan [13-Jul-24 11:58 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Which will jump further because I think the grant can take me to at least 4 FP on Norwick [14-Jul-24 01:31 AM] evany.#0000 one thing i'd say is plan around 5 experts, they will come eventually regardless of your current state [14-Jul-24 10:31 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Would you be interested in only issuing the grant if I committed to expanding to Norwick and taking the more traditional RAT production route? [14-Jul-24 10:31 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Happy to commit to doing so [14-Jul-24 10:54 PM] evany.#0000 Technically the grant is yours to do with what you will, but I would encourage you to heed the advice and seek it! What you’ve done so far is great it’s valuable to talk these things out. I still get made fun of for stupid ideas! [14-Jul-24 11:01 PM] jcheung#0000 and don't take anything i say to heart, i'm still pretty new overall [15-Jul-24 12:23 AM] jvaler#0000 oh i forgot to send the cont didn't i [15-Jul-24 12:23 AM] jvaler#0000 lemme fix that [15-Jul-24 01:19 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1262292522722394157/image0.gif?ex=68150cc5&is=6813bb45&hm=0f0e0b760ce8a174e542900ba0cd339bcb4fa73b39bf9e0b15f9b619537afd5f& {Reactions} 🤣 [15-Jul-24 02:15 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/beh0d.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/disney-moana-pua-piggy-boat-gif-15759783 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bxj3pEo2uV2yaRSPGNM48v8btr_7hL-jKYNOiv0yoJU/https/media.tenor.com/iNRi0oWEi5IAAAAe/disney-moana.png [15-Jul-24 09:11 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Me asf right now {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1262411188936114196/image0.gif?ex=6814d289&is=68138109&hm=5cd949ef04696d0960938b1e13dd3f3914ef39566de7280f86e7b4007dd4f848& [15-Jul-24 09:12 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Hardly any of the grant is going directly towards a diamond encrusted grill and not plant bs [15-Jul-24 09:13 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 (thankyou all, where should I post progress updates) [15-Jul-24 09:39 AM] evany.#0000 #associate-offtopic communal is general off topic / or bullshitting #associate-planning for advice / group finding "hey lets make X ill do A who can do B and C" #associate-office for general game topic #channel-information for the above info [15-Jul-24 09:40 AM] evany.#0000 though after writing that i'm a bit confused about the naming schema myself.. hmm {Reactions} 😆 [15-Jul-24 09:51 AM] acramernc#0000 makes sense to me [15-Jul-24 09:52 AM] acramernc#0000 i think progress updates would go in #associate-office [15-Jul-24 02:54 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 We need a #associste-communal-area-watercooler specifically for whispered slanderous gossip about COO Janet and the contractors refitting the window panes [17-Jul-24 09:08 AM] jvaler#0000 that's about right. office also works for discussion about the server itself [24-Jul-24 02:10 AM] finestone#0000 Hello everyone! Here are my Current Plans and the reason I am applying for the grant. My main exports with this Setup would be TI, AU, SC, PE, STL, and PT. There would be other Excess Inputs to sell as well. Please let me know your Questions, Ideas, and Thoughts. Thanks! Up front Building Costs Phobos Buildings 3xSME 1xBMP 1xCHP (1xHB1, 1xHBB) $187,010 Colony onto AU-605c (Titanium Ore) 3xEXT (1xCM, 2xHB1) $237,320 Colony onto QJ-650c (Gold Ore, Caliche, Rock Magnesite) 3xEXT(1xCM, 2xHB1) $251,720 Colony onto LS-231b (Limestone and BTS) 1xEXT 1xRIG (1xCM, 1xHB1) $184,980 Total: ~860k Estimated daily profit: ~70k ROI ~12days HQ Upgrades $92,495 I would also contemplate moving my HQ to a non faction (AU-605c or LS-231b) as i am not utilizing the electronic bonus of Phobos. Though I do need to calculate if its worth losing 10% efficiency bonus on Phobos. I could move some production buildings to the new HQ but then I will have a longer path to ship materials to the CX. Future Projects Colony on QJ-382g (Hydrogen and Ammonia) 2xCOL 1xEXT (2xHB1, 1xCM) $457,480.00 Later Building goals : FS for BGO & BGC production. ASM, POL, REF? [24-Jul-24 02:24 AM] finestone#0000 Also if you think my export/imports needed are unsustainable or just the amount of shipping in general wont be possible please let me know and hopefully we can come up with a better plan. [24-Jul-24 03:27 AM] evany.#0000 prunplanner has a hq upgrade cost calculator too {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1265586218188537896/image.png?ex=68148203&is=68133083&hm=d6f2093a6f016b98129b983f887b1b8c55b6cb196e0e5677fb62d68b02f2318d& [24-Jul-24 03:36 AM] evany.#0000 regarding the 'plan' i'd e ncourage you to pick something and focus on it.. i definitely wouldn't be trying to upgrade HQ you will eventually want to get 3-5days of consumables minimum so consider all the fuel back and forth which starts to really matter if your only able to bring a bit of gold back and forth for example. in general i'd encourage you to stick with 'base' items things like limestone has a consistent demand and lots of units moving everyday e.g you probably want to avoid gold while it might be more profitable than say LST but a quick look at the last 30days gold has only traded on 5 days, and only 3 of those trades were above 100 units! as a new player you can't sit on three weeks of supply waiting for a good sale because you don't have that buffer you need something that trades quickly so you get your profit so you can buy more ocnsumables comparatively LST moves more than 1k/units a day on average ! [24-Jul-24 03:37 AM] evany.#0000 to summarize i'd say do less. build out full bases permit wise (300+ area) better building out one base than trying to spin up 5 bases with less than 20% area usage make sure to consider if a base makes 50k/day it probably costs 10-15k/day for consumables.. so make sure for every 100k you have 30k saved for consumables your just creating a logistical nightmare for yourself by trying to spin up - consider that you have to budget say its a cheap base costing 5-15k/day to run now lets pretend you built all 4 of those bases - assume 15hours there 15 hour return flight - if you drop 5days of consumables split 4 ways you need around 200k of consumables - you only have two ships to supply your bases & starter - your ships will be 'busy' more than 60% of the time just supplying these micro bases - repairs & fuel of your ships will sneak up on you quickly. other opportunities come up (i.e people looking for PE and INS producers) if all your base/hq is 100% usage you might miss really good opportunities! {Reactions} blobjustright [24-Jul-24 04:21 AM] finestone#0000 okay thanks! I will focus on 2 bases and filling those out area wise before increasing HQ and expanding further. [24-Jul-24 04:31 AM] finestone#0000 I was going to do these expansions slowly but you are saying with only 2 ships and low capitol this is too ambitious and i understand. I had included consumables in my calculations but not repairs and fuel [24-Jul-24 04:32 AM] evany.#0000 i would honestly encourage anyone taking grant money to just build out 1 full base [24-Jul-24 04:33 AM] evany.#0000 and to use #internal-offers to the best of your ability [24-Jul-24 04:38 AM] finestone#0000 Thanks for the input! i will certainly watch that channel for possible contracts to fill. [24-Jul-24 04:39 AM] evany.#0000 you'd be the buyer in that case, not the seller/filler [24-Jul-24 04:39 AM] evany.#0000 many people offer consumables at much cheaper prices improving your numbers [24-Jul-24 04:41 AM] evany.#0000 your of course free to sell there as well, but i wouldn't encourage that. im 100+ days old and don't keep enough supply to reliably sell to people. you will eventually get there mind you [24-Jul-24 04:42 AM] finestone#0000 Ahhh that makes sense yeah maybe i can find a gold buyer 😛 [24-Jul-24 04:42 AM] finestone#0000 just kidding [24-Jul-24 04:43 AM] evany.#0000 heres the thing and if you stick around i'm not promising this but i will tell you that alot of older players value permits so heavily [24-Jul-24 04:43 AM] evany.#0000 that they will pay you to build you a full base mining something like gold with the agreement that you will sell to them for a specific period (30, 90 days) then continue to buy from you but your 'free' to sell to CX at that point if you want [24-Jul-24 04:44 AM] evany.#0000 so if you had someone building, i dont know - something with gold.. they might actually say to you "hey, go mine me gold heres 2mil, ill buy at X rate for the next 90 days then after that w'ell do Y rate or you can sell elsewhere too." [24-Jul-24 04:44 AM] evany.#0000 another reason that i say -- other opportunities come up and if your sitting at 100% permits used.. your gonna be like 'damn i wish i had the ability to take that opportunity' [24-Jul-24 04:45 AM] finestone#0000 Makes sense! [24-Jul-24 04:46 AM] finestone#0000 with regards to Internal offers [24-Jul-24 04:47 AM] finestone#0000 Tanda has C 600/u, 25u/day so that is something that would benefit me so i could reach out to him. [24-Jul-24 04:48 AM] finestone#0000 because i consume alot of Carbon and pay about 730/u atm [24-Jul-24 04:49 AM] finestone#0000 Also all of his Construction goods are insanely good prices so i could build all my buildings from him [24-Jul-24 04:49 AM] finestone#0000 is that the point of the internal offers assuming he has the stock 🙂 [24-Jul-24 04:51 AM] evany.#0000 so ill tell you what i do and ill tell you what you should do what you should do: setup contract to buy e.g 8 days worth so you can resupply every (idk, tuesday- whatever works for you) then send a contract on saturday to leave ~48 hours to let it get fulfilled then post in #trading "hey @finestone i sent you a cont for 150 gold" and they will fulfill it when they can. what i did: is compiled a list of my consumables in a spreadsheet, set a time period and it tells me how much i need to buy for all my bases combined then i dm'd all of them and cleared with them 'hey i need X amount a week is that OK? same advertised price or different?' then i put all that info in my spreadsheet and once a week i send a 10day contract for all my supplies- with the goal of getting to 30 days worth of supplies in a few months. now i dont tag anyone i just send out the contract and won't DM / @ them unless its rejected since its all kind of 'setup' [24-Jul-24 04:53 AM] finestone#0000 Nice Yeah i played Sim companies which had a very similar gameplay loop. [24-Jul-24 04:53 AM] finestone#0000 is there an easy repeat contract button {Reactions} 👆 actualchadthink [24-Jul-24 04:54 AM] evany.#0000 nope [24-Jul-24 04:54 AM] evany.#0000 contracts are literal aids. [24-Jul-24 04:55 AM] finestone#0000 thats unfortunate in SC it was an easy 1 click to repeat a contract with a player if they had fulfilled it and it just had a history list [24-Jul-24 04:55 AM] evany.#0000 i just did this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1265608335822950431/image.png?ex=6814969d&is=6813451d&hm=3e1f72b63d052a6b0ec24b44789c6a6e2cbf3f847248e02d6100594c9aa302c1& [24-Jul-24 04:56 AM] evany.#0000 so now i open the CONT in view -> put the users name in select the user and hit send and it sends a copy [24-Jul-24 04:57 AM] finestone#0000 now just imagine next to the fullfilled status it had a resend button 😄 [24-Jul-24 04:57 AM] evany.#0000 i honestly can't fathom how contracts are this bad after the game literally operating for years. [24-Jul-24 04:58 AM] evany.#0000 but i digress too much on that topic [24-Jul-24 04:58 AM] finestone#0000 all good [24-Jul-24 05:48 AM] finestone#0000 So upon review would focusing on PT be okay? I looked through all of Golds building chains and understand how it would be slow to sell, thanks for that. [24-Jul-24 05:56 AM] evany.#0000 yeah if the margins look good to you providing something like consumables is a great place to be because they definitely go. respect the cogc though! a lot of the time producing something wont happen when your starting i.e just looking at PT using BMP 1 STL -> 5 PT so you'd need a base where your extracting Iron then another base smelting the iron ore into iron that base can also turn the iron into steel then another base with BMP to turn that steel into PT [24-Jul-24 05:56 AM] evany.#0000 then you'd probably buy TRN from CX or a private seller to get better returns and make 2 extra PT [24-Jul-24 05:57 AM] finestone#0000 Yes i would buy TRN and FEO [24-Jul-24 05:58 AM] evany.#0000 you wouldn't want to setup smelters and then BMP because SME is a metallurgy cogc and BMP is manufacturing [24-Jul-24 05:59 AM] finestone#0000 well im on an electronics planet so that is irrelavent [24-Jul-24 06:00 AM] evany.#0000 unfortunately i can't offer much guidance on electronics, havent even looked myself. [24-Jul-24 06:00 AM] evany.#0000 i want to - though. [24-Jul-24 06:00 AM] finestone#0000 yeah i understand if im minmaxing you should place buildings only on respective COGC [24-Jul-24 06:01 AM] finestone#0000 they are still profitable W/O though [24-Jul-24 06:01 AM] finestone#0000 Would making the TRN's be adding too much complexity? [24-Jul-24 06:03 AM] evany.#0000 no i don't believe so [24-Jul-24 06:03 AM] evany.#0000 especially if your only building enough to satisfy yourself [24-Jul-24 06:04 AM] evany.#0000 you don't really _have_ to minmax and i realize some of the advice might come off that way but it helps really to minmax your first few bases and you can be less efficient as time goes on, but ultimately that depends on your goal(s) i.e do you see yourself playing this next year etc [24-Jul-24 06:04 AM] finestone#0000 i played sim companies for 4 years so yeah ill be playing awhile [24-Jul-24 06:05 AM] finestone#0000 I enjoy the spreadsheet game [24-Jul-24 06:05 AM] finestone#0000 I actually think a FS is way better and doing the SFK recipe [24-Jul-24 06:05 AM] finestone#0000 for PT [24-Jul-24 06:06 AM] evany.#0000 personally my approach has been keep it simple everyone told me how bad single burn C is, after nearly 40 days of doing single burn i'm finally finishing the second stage of getting enough usable product that i will be able to do double burn [24-Jul-24 06:07 AM] evany.#0000 within 30 days i hope to have that complete and switch to double burn full time [24-Jul-24 06:07 AM] evany.#0000 nothing wrong with just starting raw steel [24-Jul-24 06:07 AM] finestone#0000 True! but PT would be acceptable [24-Jul-24 06:07 AM] evany.#0000 i'd personally suggest going with whatever gives you cheapest price per unit - forget the unit count per-se [24-Jul-24 06:09 AM] evany.#0000 as younger players (including myself inthat) its nice not to have to worry about someone showing up and dumping 10k units randomly on the market for cheap because hes not gonna sell them at a loss and most players that are established and can afford to have 2 million dollars worth of units sitting around in a warehouse somewhere, are not gonna compete with me slow burning [24-Jul-24 06:11 AM] finestone#0000 Is selling drones to MM bad? [24-Jul-24 06:12 AM] tanda#0000 I think that one got nerfed pretty hard a while back, most people do EDC IDC now for MM shenanigans [24-Jul-24 06:13 AM] finestone#0000 what is EDC IDC [24-Jul-24 06:13 AM] finestone#0000 I just saw infinite Market maker is buying surgical drones [24-Jul-24 06:15 AM] tanda#0000 EDC and IDC are software packages, they don't require any materials to make and sell for a solid amount of credits to the Market Maker for them [24-Jul-24 06:16 AM] tanda#0000 downside is they require engineers or scientists, so the bases are expensive to set up and maintain [24-Jul-24 06:16 AM] finestone#0000 so you dont think it would be viable to make drones [24-Jul-24 06:16 AM] finestone#0000 as a long term goal [24-Jul-24 06:17 AM] tanda#0000 I'm only aware of the changes to the market maker where drones are concerned. I can't say I've really done a deep dive on that production path [24-Jul-24 06:18 AM] razenpok#0000 You could also make SAL in SD, there's a bit of a market demand right now [24-Jul-24 06:18 AM] evany.#0000 jesus your not kidding.. they WRECKED it.. [24-Jul-24 06:18 AM] razenpok#0000 Also zero-input product [24-Jul-24 06:19 AM] evany.#0000 a day of running a drone shop costs 2.9mil/day according to prunplanner {Reactions} concern [24-Jul-24 06:20 AM] evany.#0000 what the shit. [24-Jul-24 06:23 AM] finestone#0000 Intersting thanks! [24-Jul-24 06:36 AM] finestone#0000 what about 10xSME 1xFS 8xBMP (458 used plot) [24-Jul-24 06:38 AM] finestone#0000 produces 150 PT per day with some excess STL, FE, and SFK. [24-Jul-24 06:40 AM] evany.#0000 are you using prunplanner ? [24-Jul-24 06:42 AM] finestone#0000 yes [24-Jul-24 06:44 AM] evany.#0000 top right should be 'share' [24-Jul-24 06:44 AM] evany.#0000 makes it easier for people to look at it and look at what they have and make suggestions [24-Jul-24 06:47 AM] finestone#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/70d2c04c-03dd-4fb3-8415-204010060e04 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/70d2c04c-03dd-4fb3-8415-204010060e04 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [24-Jul-24 07:03 AM] evany.#0000 now that i look at it.. i'd push you against PT. [24-Jul-24 07:03 AM] finestone#0000 Would it be worth it do this on Vulcan (ZV-759b) for Metallurgy COGC or Hephaestus (ZV-307c) for Maufac COGC? [24-Jul-24 07:04 AM] finestone#0000 why no PT? [24-Jul-24 07:05 AM] evany.#0000 30k profit a day on a more or less full base 21d "ROI" [24-Jul-24 07:05 AM] evany.#0000 most good ROI is sub 14days, sometimes its even possible to get ROI within the first 7-8 days [24-Jul-24 07:05 AM] razenpok#0000 582t daily import 💀 [24-Jul-24 07:06 AM] evany.#0000 yeah that too. Steel after all, but its not true import he's just buying FEO i think [24-Jul-24 07:06 AM] evany.#0000 its counting the weight ffrom FEO -> FE -> STL [24-Jul-24 07:06 AM] evany.#0000 same weight getting counted 3 times i think [24-Jul-24 07:07 AM] razenpok#0000 Nope {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1265641575107657788/image.png?ex=6814b591&is=68136411&hm=a6ec2fec4501c3f50ac61eb7548d2f671cdb6d5b4896eb003c1c88bb0a69b92b& [24-Jul-24 07:08 AM] razenpok#0000 FEO+O just takes this much [24-Jul-24 07:08 AM] evany.#0000 i stand corrected [24-Jul-24 07:08 AM] evany.#0000 thank you razen {Reactions} blobwave [24-Jul-24 07:08 AM] evany.#0000 yeah, no. i can't even support that base logistically [24-Jul-24 07:09 AM] finestone#0000 okay thanks back to the drawing board [24-Jul-24 07:09 AM] evany.#0000 not reasonably anyway [24-Jul-24 07:09 AM] evany.#0000 especially for such rubbish returns [24-Jul-24 07:09 AM] razenpok#0000 ... and 150 PT/day is almost 50% daily market share on AI1, which will probably push sell prices even lower [24-Jul-24 07:10 AM] evany.#0000 and buildings on phobos that match cogc are all expensive things [24-Jul-24 07:11 AM] evany.#0000 single ELP + CM is 600k lol. [24-Jul-24 07:11 AM] razenpok#0000 By the way, did you setup CX Settings in your prunplanner? [24-Jul-24 07:12 AM] evany.#0000 i'd say dont settle phobos at least currently. {Reactions} 👆 [24-Jul-24 07:12 AM] finestone#0000 I spawned on Phobos 😢 Yes i did [24-Jul-24 07:12 AM] evany.#0000 whats a good first base right now razen ? the advice i got back in the day was PP2.. i would not recommend [24-Jul-24 07:13 AM] finestone#0000 Im doing 20 SME TI [24-Jul-24 07:13 AM] finestone#0000 and colonize that TIO world [24-Jul-24 07:13 AM] finestone#0000 haha [24-Jul-24 07:13 AM] evany.#0000 its alright- i spawned on deimos and i left the base - i only just 'filled it out' like two weeks ago it sat idle for six months [24-Jul-24 07:13 AM] evany.#0000 not idle but.. just tutorial buildings onit [24-Jul-24 07:13 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I started phobos then COLIQd and started Nike [24-Jul-24 07:14 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 But I did the same, had the CM there for months before actually building 😅 [24-Jul-24 07:14 AM] evany.#0000 TIO doesn't seem that bad [24-Jul-24 07:15 AM] finestone#0000 if i had mettalury COGC 6.8 ROI [24-Jul-24 07:16 AM] finestone#0000 but alas 8.4 will have to do [24-Jul-24 07:16 AM] evany.#0000 yeah i'm seeing 5.9d ROI on TIO on deimos [24-Jul-24 07:16 AM] evany.#0000 which is crazy good. [24-Jul-24 07:16 AM] evany.#0000 do that, one base extracting one base smelting [24-Jul-24 07:16 AM] finestone#0000 yeah i looked at demos but saw its full [24-Jul-24 07:17 AM] evany.#0000 unfortunately, but there is another place nearby [24-Jul-24 07:17 AM] evany.#0000 vulcan iirc ? [24-Jul-24 07:17 AM] finestone#0000 Vulcan has extra con good [24-Jul-24 07:17 AM] finestone#0000 idk how much that will impact profitbility [24-Jul-24 07:17 AM] razenpok#0000 Promitor :blobsunglasses: [24-Jul-24 07:17 AM] evany.#0000 get out {Reactions} 🚀 [24-Jul-24 07:18 AM] razenpok#0000 I'll check my estimator tool, brb [24-Jul-24 07:20 AM] finestone#0000 So it looks like 6 extractors should do the trick [24-Jul-24 07:21 AM] evany.#0000 Someone here sells HSE for a decent price cheaper than CX [24-Jul-24 07:22 AM] finestone#0000 can i abandon my colony on phobos [24-Jul-24 07:22 AM] finestone#0000 without COLIQd [24-Jul-24 07:23 AM] evany.#0000 no reason to abandon it [24-Jul-24 07:23 AM] razenpok#0000 Unironically, Promitor as a first base might be a good idea if you consider the fact that only new players can spawn on it rn [24-Jul-24 07:23 AM] evany.#0000 you can demolish the buildings on it (production/extraction buildings) [24-Jul-24 07:23 AM] evany.#0000 just leave the core module / residence buildings as they don't decay [24-Jul-24 07:23 AM] finestone#0000 but what about the claim [24-Jul-24 07:24 AM] finestone#0000 Permit" [24-Jul-24 07:24 AM] evany.#0000 the permit ? ah good point. [24-Jul-24 07:24 AM] evany.#0000 i guess you could demolish the core module [24-Jul-24 07:25 AM] evany.#0000 lots of plots so you could go back if you wanted [24-Jul-24 07:25 AM] evany.#0000 coliq'ing and switching to deimos start might be the best bet, though. [24-Jul-24 07:25 AM] finestone#0000 cuz i cant spawn on vulcun or deimos right? [24-Jul-24 07:25 AM] evany.#0000 you can spawn on deimos if you coliq [24-Jul-24 07:26 AM] evany.#0000 metallurgist spawn [24-Jul-24 07:27 AM] finestone#0000 mehh ill just go to vulcun and be a man and make phobos a carban farm or somthing [24-Jul-24 07:29 AM] evany.#0000 i dont know if its frowned upon to trade all your stuff to a friend and then coliq and have them give it all back [24-Jul-24 07:32 AM] finestone#0000 No Coliq [24-Jul-24 07:32 AM] finestone#0000 I have better idea [24-Jul-24 07:33 AM] finestone#0000 I will move my operation to WU-070a [24-Jul-24 07:34 AM] finestone#0000 closer to my titanium mine and only 4 jumps from A1 mettalurgy COGC no extra con mats and i get the no faction bonus for 4% extraction bonus [24-Jul-24 07:35 AM] evany.#0000 youll thank yourself for that in the future [24-Jul-24 07:36 AM] finestone#0000 Alrite i will draw up the new plan thanks everyone for the help [24-Jul-24 07:37 AM] evany.#0000 i'm going to try to get some sleep [24-Jul-24 07:37 AM] evany.#0000 welcome ! [24-Jul-24 07:38 AM] finestone#0000 Same i work in 8 hours [24-Jul-24 07:38 AM] evany.#0000 been working for six hours already [24-Jul-24 07:38 AM] evany.#0000 7 i guess. [24-Jul-24 07:38 AM] evany.#0000 stupid midnight change controls [24-Jul-24 08:30 AM] razenpok#0000 From what I see - PP2: LDE, LBH, LTA. Extremely profitable, high-cost inputs, heavy shipping - GF: RG, with a pinch of GLA and TUB. Very profitable, medium-cost inputs, light shipping - BMP: SEA, EXO, REP, PWO, OFF. Very profitable, medium-cost inputs, medium shipping. Getting all the inputs might be a chore. - FER: ALE, KOM, GIN. Very profitable, medium-cost inputs, medium shipping. Might need to supply farm goods yourself. - POL: EPO, PG. Very profitable, medium-cost inputs, medium shipping. - CHP: NS, CL with a pinch of MED. Profitable, low-cost inputs, heavy shipping - FP: MEA, COF, RAT. Profitable, low-cost inputs, medium shipping. - INC: C. Profitable, medium-cost inputs, heavy shipping. - REF: SF. Profitable, high-cost inputs, heavy shipping [24-Jul-24 08:31 AM] razenpok#0000 cc @finestone [24-Jul-24 09:41 AM] jcheung#0000 note that your HQ is currently giving an electronics boost. you don't have an HQ bonus, effectively so you wouldn't be losing 10% on phobos [24-Jul-24 03:37 PM] jvaler#0000 lotta conversation that i'm not gonna read through :P, but just know that the AU system is considerably far away to be doing ore exporting. i'd highly recommend SE-648c instead for TIO EXT. it's not a triple green, but the distance is much shorter and it also happens to be one of the best O sources in the galaxy. (liquid resources are much more valuable than solid or gaseous resources because RIGs have a much higher extraction rate per area than either COL or EXT) [24-Jul-24 03:48 PM] jvaler#0000 D: [24-Jul-24 04:26 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 Hello, I'd like to apply for a grant. I'd mostly like to use the money to increase self-sufficiency, as I am currently importing a lot of resources that I have locally on Phobos, but simply cannot extract yet due to lack of capital. Right now, I have 3x BMP and 1x (soon to be 2) PP1. I would use the funding to build the following: 11x HB1 - 172k 2x Rig - 40k 5x Extractor - 140k 2x BMP - 49k 3x PP1 - 67k 3x SME - 89k 1x FP - 20k Total - 577k Since I am focusing on construction, the above costs will likely be significantly lower from supplementing my own produced materials. I'd use the remainder of the money for process improvements like building a CHP for flux, and eventually another base for lightweight prefabs. Let me know if this seems like a reasonable plan. [24-Jul-24 05:03 PM] finestone#0000 As far as I'm aware. Your HQ gives you a 10% efficiency bonus to all products on the planet its on. It also determines which faction bonus you receive. The COGC is separate and simply buffs the planet. Am I misunderstanding something? Thanks. [24-Jul-24 05:04 PM] finestone#0000 Thanks for your input i will review SE-648c and calculate shipping! [24-Jul-24 05:06 PM] jvaler#0000 are these RIGs and EXT on phobos? [24-Jul-24 05:08 PM] jvaler#0000 i'd really advise against that, resource extraction there is not very profitable. your return on investment period would be many weeks iirc "self sufficiency" shouldn't be a goal you're trying to reach unless you're having issues with CX shortages. you need to be looking at the profitability of any given thing you're doing instead [24-Jul-24 05:10 PM] jvaler#0000 and basically no tier 1 resources have actual shortages on the CX. they might sometimes get expensive, but never completely bought out and unavailable. and if they get expensive, then it's good to produce yourself __but only because it's now profitable__. the reasoning is profit and return on investment, not "self-sufficiency" [24-Jul-24 05:13 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Valid argument, but you forgot that things you make yourself are free {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1265794037558939818/opportunity_cost.png?ex=68149acf&is=6813494f&hm=2c48373b0500b361a6955e1aac9b0e2324f42ece30049c93fc5d379cfc274816& [24-Jul-24 05:14 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 But yes I would agree, trying to go for self sufficiency is like living in the middle of LA and growing your own food, making your own clothes, and finding your own water source. Unless it's for fun/roleplaying which is completely valid {Reactions} 👆 [24-Jul-24 05:17 PM] jcheung#0000 Where do you see the 10% boost? [24-Jul-24 05:17 PM] jcheung#0000 Am i just missing it? [24-Jul-24 05:23 PM] jvaler#0000 yes this is always true, you should be playing for fun [24-Jul-24 05:24 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 My plan with the rigs is to self-produce drinking water, and I wanted the extractors for mainly SiO for MCG production. When I look at the map, there doesn't seem to be any nearby star systems with large si deposits, and while I don't have a way to calculate the exact shipping cost, I can't imagine buying imported SIO from someone + their profit margin is cheaper than producing it yourself. [24-Jul-24 05:25 PM] jvaler#0000 i think they're confusing the company HQ and the corporation HQ @finestone your regular HQ doesn't give you a 10% boost to everything on the planet it's on, that's what the corporation HQ does. your regular HQ only determines where your global bonus comes from https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/headquarters/index.html#faction-bonuses {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/headquarters/index.html Headquarters :: Prosperous Universe Handbook Prosperous Universe Wiki [24-Jul-24 05:25 PM] jcheung#0000 You know, TIL that corp HQ gives boost [24-Jul-24 05:26 PM] jvaler#0000 it better, it costs 1.5mil to build iirc :P [24-Jul-24 05:26 PM] jcheung#0000 😂 you mean e-peen isn't worth 1.5m? [24-Jul-24 05:27 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1265797477383278602/image.png?ex=68149e03&is=68134c83&hm=9768199807f09d7a3bba6687f861b873e22c99a85f41902c898a3d751dbfcc93& [24-Jul-24 05:27 PM] jvaler#0000 "e-peen"? [24-Jul-24 05:27 PM] jcheung#0000 Uhm. Hmm. How should i put it [24-Jul-24 05:28 PM] jcheung#0000 Electronic version of a male genitalia comparison contest. Fallen out of usage in the last.... decade or so [24-Jul-24 05:28 PM] jvaler#0000 ahh [24-Jul-24 05:29 PM] jvaler#0000 lmao [24-Jul-24 05:29 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1265797967168929883/iu.png?ex=68149e78&is=68134cf8&hm=8286ad9acf754935bcba51eae6cf2fcd85d2a1182d7ba314c652612389b50899& {Reactions} 😭 [24-Jul-24 05:29 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't think it's possible to even see other people's corp projects [24-Jul-24 05:29 PM] jvaler#0000 APEX level is the go-to for dick measuring contests [24-Jul-24 05:29 PM] jvaler#0000 that or HQ level [24-Jul-24 05:30 PM] jcheung#0000 How do you even increase apex? [24-Jul-24 05:30 PM] jcheung#0000 Donations? [24-Jul-24 05:30 PM] jvaler#0000 `ARC` in a buffer {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1265798414688321626/image.png?ex=68149ee3&is=68134d63&hm=78594e9b40243eca96c7d1bb441885858164adf1beeead714b78fd4d82648eb6& [24-Jul-24 05:32 PM] jcheung#0000 O [24-Jul-24 05:32 PM] jcheung#0000 Huh [24-Jul-24 05:32 PM] jcheung#0000 Is that just a pure e-peen measuring stick? That's amazing [24-Jul-24 05:33 PM] jvaler#0000 this is odd... i'm seeing a pretty decent ROI period for SIO in the recipe dropdown, but abysmal ROI period on the actual overview {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1265798966713389127/image.png?ex=68149f67&is=68134de7&hm=08ab97eaba6872b43298bc8896a45fea86e9aefe2c1da64b4346667cb9fb95f3& [24-Jul-24 05:33 PM] jcheung#0000 Factory vs whole base [24-Jul-24 05:33 PM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-chemistry-experiment-scientific-walter-white-gif-17820266 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-chemistry-experiment-scientific-walter-white-gif-17820266 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/41n3suyweKX4EFKNF-Xm-itVYWU1hOOs8Ms5mwPdEww/https/media.tenor.com/hRxU7RYOlMkAAAAe/breaking-bad-chemistry.png [24-Jul-24 05:33 PM] jvaler#0000 100% pure [24-Jul-24 05:33 PM] jcheung#0000 Whole base includes habs, sto [24-Jul-24 05:34 PM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah forgot STO [24-Jul-24 05:34 PM] jvaler#0000 hmm i never realized the recipe ROI doesn't account for workforce [24-Jul-24 05:34 PM] jcheung#0000 It doesn't? [24-Jul-24 05:34 PM] jcheung#0000 I thought it did [24-Jul-24 05:34 PM] jvaler#0000 OH wait i see in the small text [24-Jul-24 05:35 PM] jvaler#0000 that ROI assumes no build cost [24-Jul-24 05:35 PM] jvaler#0000 only degradation and I/O [24-Jul-24 05:35 PM] jvaler#0000 so overview is the one you actually wanna look at [24-Jul-24 05:35 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh, and you also have CM checked, whicj adds CM cost [24-Jul-24 05:36 PM] jvaler#0000 i thought i unchecked that [24-Jul-24 05:36 PM] jvaler#0000 grr [24-Jul-24 05:36 PM] jcheung#0000 Unchecked by default so if you did it instinctively... [24-Jul-24 05:37 PM] jvaler#0000 @shinonomesciences okay this is more correct. you should be aiming for <30d ROI period at most, so building EXT is a pretty inefficient use of money. SIO is cheap anyways, i buy it to make my MCG. there's dedicated SIO planets out there {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1265800118997880954/image.png?ex=6814a079&is=68134ef9&hm=b1905ce8190ca8a762184f6c1290835f324325f3fb6d1b7142e3d515423d13b1& [24-Jul-24 05:38 PM] jvaler#0000 basically everything is "cheaper" to produce yourself because you don't have to give yourself profit margins like you do when buying from others. that doesn't necessarily make them worthwhile to do yourself though because you should be giving yourself profit margins too [24-Jul-24 05:38 PM] jcheung#0000 Is that 0 expert as well? [24-Jul-24 05:38 PM] jvaler#0000 mhm {Reactions} 🔥 [24-Jul-24 05:38 PM] jcheung#0000 I would bump it to 3, easy to get that week 1 [24-Jul-24 05:39 PM] jcheung#0000 Or 2 at least [24-Jul-24 05:39 PM] jvaler#0000 i mean they're going for such a mixed industry base on phobos i have no idea what they intend on doing for experts [24-Jul-24 05:41 PM] finestone#0000 Ahhh okay thanks for that clarification! [24-Jul-24 06:03 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 I was thinking of vertical integration to give myself more profit margin on my final product, but I suppose that that’s more of a mid game thing and high ROI should be my goal. I’ll resubmit a plan. [24-Jul-24 06:14 PM] jvaler#0000 that's actually a late-game thing, due to what i said about self-sufficiency only mattering when dealing with CX-scarce items. that only really applies to higher tier stuff like ingredients for AFABs. vertical integration doesn't change your profit margins at all, it just changes how you interact with the CX. anything you make within that vertical integration chain could be stopped right then and there and sold to the CX for a given value, so no money is actually "saved" in the process of further processing those items. things don't cost less to you just because you make them yourself is what i'm trying to say [24-Jul-24 06:17 PM] jvaler#0000 1 C will always cost 1 C, no matter if it was bought off the CX or burned in your own INC [24-Jul-24 06:18 PM] jvaler#0000 and it's monetary value equivelant is dictated by whatever the current market status is [24-Jul-24 06:20 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 This only holds true though if 1) the spread on the material is basically nil and 2) shipping the input product is basically free because you have a substantial volume of trade in the other direction [24-Jul-24 06:22 PM] jcheung#0000 If you VI, what you need to do is add all your support bases (or fraction of a base if it only partially does things for the parent) to the main base, which means add all the costs from workforce, feedstock... or just the gross income, cost and profit, then average it. That's your per-base profit. If the final base makes you 140k/d but the feeder bases cost you 10/d and you have 2 of them, you actually only make 40k/d per base.... which is still respectable, then you also have to take out gas cost [24-Jul-24 06:22 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 1. Most people from what I found use Ask/Ask prices, meaning they always sell as ask orders and buy from ask orders too. Buy orders aren't typically worth it unless you are in a rush or desperate [24-Jul-24 06:23 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Also on some stuff like DW because the spread is very small [24-Jul-24 06:24 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 2. The shipping really costs very little in credits compared to revenue. The time it takes can limit you but it will also apply to self sufficiency if you don't build everything on one planet [24-Jul-24 06:25 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 And you typically wouldn't build everything on one planet because CoGC bonus and experts are wasted [24-Jul-24 06:29 PM] jcheung#0000 I do buy from ask and sell to bid for plannin purposes [24-Jul-24 06:29 PM] jcheung#0000 Keeps my expectations in check [24-Jul-24 06:30 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Well, not everybody I suppose [24-Jul-24 06:31 PM] jcheung#0000 I mean I'm also... less than a month old, but i do this so that if the market takes a turn for the worse my projections keep my expectations somewhat close-i still try to sell at ask [24-Jul-24 06:34 PM] jcheung#0000 Which kind of actually really worked out for me in the case of NL, that shit crashed hard [24-Jul-24 06:35 PM] jvaler#0000 yup this is the use-case for sell to bid, for people without the liquidity to wait for asks to sell in time [24-Jul-24 06:35 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 That does make sense [24-Jul-24 06:36 PM] jcheung#0000 Even as is though, NL crashing still managed to put me behind on loan payments because the bid price also dropped and as jvaler said i don't have the liquidity to wait [24-Jul-24 06:37 PM] jcheung#0000 Thankfully the lein holder was understanding [24-Jul-24 06:37 PM] jvaler#0000 most players warehouse all their items at the ANT warehouse, so you'd be shipping it regardless. shipping costs are a small fraction of an items cost most of the time anyways. for the spread though, how would that make what i said untrue? [24-Jul-24 06:45 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 Theoretically, if you produced the material yourself vs buying at the CXL, the spread on the material would be added to your profit margin, no? [24-Jul-24 06:46 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 Granted, this doesn’t really apply for the materials I was trying to produce, given that the margins are so minimal [24-Jul-24 06:48 PM] jvaler#0000 it wouldn't, because you shouldn't sell to bids(if you can help it). on most goods bids have very little volume and are often severe lowballs [24-Jul-24 06:50 PM] jvaler#0000 that's why ask/ask prunplanner settings are so popular. that plus we're too lazy to place bid orders for stuff we need ahead of time lol [24-Jul-24 06:54 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 I see, I’ve been doing this because I need my ship for turnaround [24-Jul-24 06:55 PM] jcheung#0000 Rent warehouses {Reactions} 👆 [24-Jul-24 07:10 PM] jvaler#0000 even without warehouses you can post ask orders on the CX and it holds your items in CXOB limbo [24-Jul-24 07:11 PM] finestone#0000 Sometimes preference for VI is okay too! You are more stable and have opportunities to adapt to market conditions. This games doesnt punish switching industries though since there is no build time and no loss of goods from demolishing so no real benefit. {Reactions} ✅ [24-Jul-24 07:13 PM] jvaler#0000 well buildings do degrade over a 182(?) day period, so you get less refunded the longer you wait. so there is loss of goods [24-Jul-24 07:13 PM] jvaler#0000 but that's degradation that you'd have to repair anyways so it's not really a big deal [24-Jul-24 07:13 PM] finestone#0000 You have to pay that regardless [24-Jul-24 07:14 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah... nvm my point is moot lol [24-Jul-24 07:14 PM] finestone#0000 If there was a loss of 50% when demolishing there would be more of a penalty. The biggest "cost" in this game seems to be maximizing COGC bonuses [24-Jul-24 07:15 PM] jvaler#0000 mm yeah [24-Jul-24 07:16 PM] jvaler#0000 i suppose you could consider having to re-accumulate experts could be a cost? [24-Jul-24 07:16 PM] jvaler#0000 depending on each base's building count that could be a considerable amount of time [24-Jul-24 07:16 PM] finestone#0000 Ohh thats true I forgot about those! [24-Jul-24 07:16 PM] finestone#0000 That caps at 25% bonus correct? [24-Jul-24 07:17 PM] jvaler#0000 it's ~28% [24-Jul-24 07:17 PM] jvaler#0000 pretty significant [24-Jul-24 07:17 PM] jvaler#0000 5 experts + CoGC = 160% efficiency [24-Jul-24 07:18 PM] jvaler#0000 https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/index.html#expert-spawn-rates--bonuses {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/index.html Efficiency factors :: Prosperous Universe Handbook Prosperous Universe Wiki [24-Jul-24 07:18 PM] finestone#0000 Very true so VI would have a much more resilant and adaptable profit to changing market conditions that isn't going to be calculated appropriately in PrUn [24-Jul-24 07:19 PM] jvaler#0000 mhm, cause any calculation you do is just a snapshot of the current state of the market [24-Jul-24 07:19 PM] finestone#0000 Yepp but at the same time ROI for newer player should still be the focus as we don't have a large impact on market conditions [24-Jul-24 07:20 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah, tier 1 goods don't have to worry about stuff like that as much as tier 2 and above [24-Jul-24 07:20 PM] jvaler#0000 and VI doesn't eliminate market fluctuations, it just limits their impact to the end product [24-Jul-24 07:22 PM] finestone#0000 Well its doesn't eliminate anything the idea could be adapting if carbon spikes stop using the carbon you produce and start selling it [24-Jul-24 07:23 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah you'd do that if the thing you're turning the carbon into hasn't adjusted to the newly raised carbon prices yet [24-Jul-24 07:23 PM] finestone#0000 Correct! [24-Jul-24 07:24 PM] jvaler#0000 from what i've observed of the markets, there's always some delay in these things. so if you stay ahead of the waves you can definitely squeeze out an advantage [24-Jul-24 07:24 PM] finestone#0000 If carbon stays high for extended time the margins may become greater for end products as non VI companies struggle for margin [24-Jul-24 07:24 PM] finestone#0000 Then you would resume production of the end product for greater overall margin [24-Jul-24 07:25 PM] jvaler#0000 the thing is do you want that end product base sitting idle for that whole time? [24-Jul-24 07:25 PM] jvaler#0000 ohh hmm, actually you may be able to just switch recipes depending on the building [24-Jul-24 07:25 PM] finestone#0000 That is a downside hopefully though that building can produce something else in the meantime [24-Jul-24 07:26 PM] jvaler#0000 that's one of the strengths of BMPs for example [24-Jul-24 07:26 PM] jvaler#0000 yea [24-Jul-24 07:26 PM] jvaler#0000 but for something like PP2 it'd be much harder cause basically everything uses AL [24-Jul-24 07:27 PM] jvaler#0000 i know that put a lot of nike PP2 people in a tough spot when AL started spiking a month or so back [24-Jul-24 07:27 PM] jvaler#0000 and bfabs have always been capped by the market maker unfortunately, so they can't really raise in price to meet the new AL cost [24-Jul-24 07:28 PM] finestone#0000 Yep and that is the fun part about market games! [24-Jul-24 08:36 PM] finestone#0000 So I found some time at work to take a look at SE-648c certainly expensive upkeep and setup since double red. Liquid oxygen is very cool though. I think my plan will be setting up my smelting base on WU-070A so shipping the ore would be much shorter than all the way to A1 and the weight is about 200 per day. Do you think that will be manageable? [24-Jul-24 08:38 PM] jvaler#0000 WU-070a could probably just have on-site SIO EXT, afaik that's what others do [24-Jul-24 08:41 PM] finestone#0000 Well I still want to do the AU tio mine was my question [24-Jul-24 08:50 PM] jvaler#0000 ahh [24-Jul-24 08:50 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah that'd work i suppose? certainly unique [24-Jul-24 08:52 PM] jvaler#0000 though you'll still have to be flying ANT -> AU, the ore export can just be shorter [24-Jul-24 08:52 PM] finestone#0000 Thats going to be my current plan then. Maybe some SD on phobos with the profit [24-Jul-24 08:53 PM] finestone#0000 Supplies can be funneled through WU070 aka 1 ship going between au and wu and my other ship funnels between A1 and wu [24-Jul-24 08:54 PM] jvaler#0000 yup [24-Jul-24 08:55 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm guessing not 100% of your starter's shipping capacity will be used for WU-070a <-> AU-605c, but that's fine. gives you some leeway in keeping up with it [24-Jul-24 08:55 PM] jvaler#0000 maybe... idk the actual numbers [24-Jul-24 08:56 PM] finestone#0000 Thats true trips to AU will not be as full. As ill have to pull ore every 3 ish days [25-Jul-24 02:33 AM] finestone#0000 I have upgraded to Pro and would like to apply for the grant. Plan 1 - Upgrade HQ 1 level (Need 1 more permit) $32k 2 - Demolish 2HB1 2SME on Phobos (Keeping CM) 3 - Build onto WU-070a (1xCM 1xEXT 6xSME 4xHB1) $400k 4 - Build onto AU-605c (1xCM 5xEXT 3xHB1) $322k 5 - Move HQ to WU-070a (Better COCG, Faction Bonus, and shorter Ore transit time) 6 - Profit selling TI and max out WU-070a Area with SME 7 - Start a new production chain on Phobos (Software? Chemistry?) Initial Build Out can be down with 1 ship and my other ship will have supplies. WU-070a (40xBBH 32xBDE 60xBSE 4xBTA 4xLDE 4xLSE 4xLTA 768xMCG 12xPSL 8xTRU) Total Volume 221.60 t Total Weight 231.28 m³ AU-605c (12xBBH 6xBDE 86xBSE 3xBTA 4xLDE 4xLSE 4xLTA 720xMCG 12xPSL 8xTRU) Total Volume 168.00 t Total Weight 210.66 m³ Estimated ROI ~7-10 Days (Travel Time + Sell Time) Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Thank you, [25-Jul-24 02:33 AM] finestone#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/ea5e7cbc-a9ed-4b5d-a5e2-1a5a4b5a94b8 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/ea5e7cbc-a9ed-4b5d-a5e2-1a5a4b5a94b8 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [25-Jul-24 02:34 AM] finestone#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/81ca48b2-4335-40be-9802-4a3dc070944c {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/81ca48b2-4335-40be-9802-4a3dc070944c PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [25-Jul-24 02:36 AM] jcheung#0000 🤔 TAI has pretty low market volume [25-Jul-24 02:37 AM] jcheung#0000 if you intend to sell that to CX you'll likely saturate it quite quickly [25-Jul-24 02:37 AM] jcheung#0000 just a fair warning [25-Jul-24 02:37 AM] jcheung#0000 though that planet is pretty good for SIO so you might be able toeasily swap over if needed [25-Jul-24 02:44 AM] jcheung#0000 605c and 070a are pretty far apart [25-Jul-24 02:44 AM] finestone#0000 That is true the market for TAI is almost non existent though having orders up at the right price may change that but it feels like 1 extractor should be worth it? [25-Jul-24 02:48 AM] finestone#0000 Yes 2 day trip at lowest fuel so 4 day turn around which should be about right for full loads of ore. [25-Jul-24 02:49 AM] jcheung#0000 if you're dead set on SME at 070a, instead of 605c, may i suggest SE-648c? it's closer in general, and also allows you to make a more efficient loop. ore -> smelter -> cx -> ore -> repeat in a literal circle [25-Jul-24 02:51 AM] jcheung#0000 granted the startup costs will be higher on 648c [25-Jul-24 02:52 AM] finestone#0000 that is what i was worried about but maybe the saving on fuel would be worth it + liguid Oxy [25-Jul-24 02:52 AM] jcheung#0000 yes, since you need O to smelt as well [25-Jul-24 02:52 AM] finestone#0000 jvaler also suggested that location. [25-Jul-24 02:53 AM] jcheung#0000 now, another option for SME would be literally in the same system [25-Jul-24 02:53 AM] jcheung#0000 648a [25-Jul-24 02:54 AM] jcheung#0000 though, again, startup costs are higher [25-Jul-24 02:54 AM] finestone#0000 i do like that [25-Jul-24 02:54 AM] finestone#0000 let me analyze how much more these start up cost are [25-Jul-24 02:55 AM] finestone#0000 will the upkeep really hurt though? [25-Jul-24 02:55 AM] jcheung#0000 you won't feel the repairs for i think at least a month, maybe two? not sure. haven't hit my first repair yet [25-Jul-24 02:58 AM] finestone#0000 250k more just for SME planet [25-Jul-24 02:59 AM] jcheung#0000 huh. may i ask why you want to go for TI smelting? [25-Jul-24 02:59 AM] jcheung#0000 you'll make oodles more with the raw ore [25-Jul-24 03:00 AM] finestone#0000 Repairs only eat about 9% output so losing ~5k daily [25-Jul-24 03:01 AM] jcheung#0000 the profit gain using smelters to refine the ore is pretty small, and the TIO market is turning over quite a lot [25-Jul-24 03:01 AM] finestone#0000 so fuel would cost about the same [25-Jul-24 03:02 AM] jcheung#0000 sure, but if you scale up to full bases... [25-Jul-24 03:03 AM] jcheung#0000 you get to move the cargo a lot faster [25-Jul-24 03:03 AM] jcheung#0000 well [25-Jul-24 03:03 AM] jcheung#0000 anyhow [25-Jul-24 03:03 AM] finestone#0000 as far as refining ore preference and I think will prove profitable [25-Jul-24 03:03 AM] jcheung#0000 let's go back to your plan here since 648 doesn't seem appealing to you [25-Jul-24 03:04 AM] finestone#0000 im not saying it doesnt work [25-Jul-24 03:05 AM] finestone#0000 im just saying up front cost is substantially more but the rate is the same but yes in the long long run full bases would be more benefitial [25-Jul-24 03:06 AM] finestone#0000 my thoughts were local markets bigger/more ships more planets would also help? [25-Jul-24 03:08 AM] finestone#0000 and the TI market looks just as healthy as the TIO market imo [25-Jul-24 03:11 AM] jcheung#0000 instead of starting up two bases out the gate and having two partial bases, why don't you temporarily place SMEs on 605c? you can do 5 EXT / 13 SME, and save yourself the CM cost. you have a single full base and lesser logistic requirements in the short term. the SMEs will degrade slightly yes, but my 31 day old SME is only losing me 1 BSE, 1BBH, 1BDE, 9MCG if i were to demolish it now. this gets you higher throughput through SMEs overall for a similar cost (because you're not paying for a second CM) [25-Jul-24 03:12 AM] finestone#0000 The main reason for not doing that was COGC bonus [25-Jul-24 03:12 AM] jcheung#0000 alternatively, and more realistically, keep 6 SMEs and use the extra money to stock other materials you need to keep the base running [25-Jul-24 03:13 AM] jcheung#0000 the COGC bonus is great and all, but two half finished bases and logistics spanning such a long distance will cost you [25-Jul-24 03:13 AM] finestone#0000 PrUn actually calculates degradation. [25-Jul-24 03:13 AM] jcheung#0000 planner? yes it does [25-Jul-24 03:19 AM] jcheung#0000 anyways [25-Jul-24 03:19 AM] jcheung#0000 just tossing out options [25-Jul-24 03:20 AM] finestone#0000 hmmmmm if I set everything up on AU-605c what would the plan be afterwards say once i have another mil [25-Jul-24 03:20 AM] jcheung#0000 also how much do you have now? because being exactly at 750k for upgrades leaves you not a whole lot for consumables [25-Jul-24 03:20 AM] finestone#0000 these things are estimates and not done instantly [25-Jul-24 03:21 AM] finestone#0000 i would probably do a half build to start [25-Jul-24 03:22 AM] jcheung#0000 if you still want WU, then CM on WU and trade out 2-3 SMEs at a time over there, replace SME with EXT [25-Jul-24 03:22 AM] jcheung#0000 honestly [25-Jul-24 03:22 AM] jcheung#0000 you would likely make more profit just outright selling TIO to CX directly than refining it [25-Jul-24 03:23 AM] finestone#0000 Possibly in the short term yes but also preference [25-Jul-24 03:23 AM] jcheung#0000 fair [25-Jul-24 03:24 AM] finestone#0000 I thought WU would help logistics [25-Jul-24 03:24 AM] finestone#0000 as being a good middle point between ore and CX while also boosting Metallurgy. [25-Jul-24 03:25 AM] finestone#0000 and triple green for cheaper building [25-Jul-24 03:25 AM] jcheung#0000 mmm [25-Jul-24 03:25 AM] finestone#0000 but i understand how as i grow that may become more of a challange but doesnt logstics always become an issue as you grow? [25-Jul-24 03:25 AM] jcheung#0000 it *is* in the middle isn't it... hmm [25-Jul-24 03:26 AM] finestone#0000 yeah essetnially my plan was 1 ship ferries ore [25-Jul-24 03:26 AM] finestone#0000 AU > WU [25-Jul-24 03:26 AM] finestone#0000 one ship sells TI and brings back supplies [25-Jul-24 03:26 AM] finestone#0000 WU > A1 [25-Jul-24 03:27 AM] evany.#0000 the game starts you off with two ships [25-Jul-24 03:27 AM] evany.#0000 but it will be probably many months before you see a third [25-Jul-24 03:27 AM] finestone#0000 true but i wont need a third for a while and can save up multiples millions by that point [25-Jul-24 03:27 AM] evany.#0000 consider a ship being 100% used so early on to be a big problem [25-Jul-24 03:27 AM] finestone#0000 and upgrading the begginer ship will be easier for moving ore anyways [25-Jul-24 03:28 AM] jcheung#0000 this is an expensive proposition [25-Jul-24 03:28 AM] evany.#0000 you do start with a generous amount of ship / logistical capability when you start [25-Jul-24 03:29 AM] jcheung#0000 that upgrade package is like... what was it, 800k to a mil with it subsidized? [25-Jul-24 03:29 AM] evany.#0000 consider that it's 1.6mil to upgrade the ship + maintenance [25-Jul-24 03:29 AM] finestone#0000 50k profit daily after fuel and supplies would take 2 months [25-Jul-24 03:29 AM] evany.#0000 yeah the one package is sold at ~850k, but it doesn't have all the plates and components that are necessary [25-Jul-24 03:29 AM] finestone#0000 and thats 3 million [25-Jul-24 03:31 AM] jcheung#0000 uhm... these two designs combined don't do 50k/d [25-Jul-24 03:31 AM] jcheung#0000 granted you have room to grow [25-Jul-24 03:33 AM] finestone#0000 assuming being able to sell TI at 2100 how is that not approaching 50k/d? [25-Jul-24 03:34 AM] jcheung#0000 hah... i forgot i look at worst case 😂 [25-Jul-24 03:35 AM] finestone#0000 I use 30d moving avg [25-Jul-24 03:35 AM] finestone#0000 which is the mid spread which is what i post at [25-Jul-24 03:35 AM] jcheung#0000 market average is resting closer to 2.2k? at least assuming i'm reading the blue line right [25-Jul-24 03:36 AM] evany.#0000 i wouldn't worry about the blue line so much, statistically its accurate but note the buy on the 17th at a whoppin 1300/unit and the sell at 1600 on the 22nd [25-Jul-24 03:37 AM] jcheung#0000 fair point [25-Jul-24 03:37 AM] finestone#0000 so 6 SME is 22 TI per day even selling to asks is still profit [25-Jul-24 03:38 AM] evany.#0000 and that sell at 1600 was big volume.. 3rd biggest day in the last month. [25-Jul-24 03:39 AM] evany.#0000 honestly the profit per unit is fine it seems! my concern for you would be more turn around time i'd urge you to consider a lot of the tim ein the first month you end up selling to buy orders because you need the money _now_ to go buy supplies to keep the base running [25-Jul-24 03:40 AM] evany.#0000 after you have 5-10 days of supplies now you can kinda wait out buying your next batch of supplies [25-Jul-24 03:40 AM] evany.#0000 i had to, anyway.. for about 3 weeks before i could coast [25-Jul-24 03:40 AM] finestone#0000 okay thats fine? [25-Jul-24 03:41 AM] finestone#0000 i mean next day sold at 2600 [25-Jul-24 03:41 AM] finestone#0000 x681 [25-Jul-24 03:41 AM] evany.#0000 yep [25-Jul-24 03:41 AM] finestone#0000 even at 1600 im making 30k daily [25-Jul-24 03:41 AM] evany.#0000 like i said profit per unit not really a concern seems stable-ish [25-Jul-24 03:42 AM] finestone#0000 yeah product is good [25-Jul-24 03:42 AM] evany.#0000 i'd say go for it, you've already done a ton of work trying to finesse a plan! [25-Jul-24 03:42 AM] finestone#0000 Thanks evayoo [25-Jul-24 03:42 AM] finestone#0000 Thanks JCheung as well [25-Jul-24 03:43 AM] finestone#0000 Discussion always good and being able to point out positives means i have a good understanding of the plan. [25-Jul-24 03:43 AM] evany.#0000 i didn't read super above [25-Jul-24 03:44 AM] finestone#0000 I will say the most interesting prospect is setting up the entire base on AU605C [25-Jul-24 03:44 AM] evany.#0000 but now that i'm looking at your prunplanner's i think the challenge for you will be realizing some of the profits [25-Jul-24 03:44 AM] jcheung#0000 if it makes you feel any better i went through like 12 plans in my first week, each one involving a few hours of work [25-Jul-24 03:44 AM] finestone#0000 and ditching the WU base for awhile [25-Jul-24 03:45 AM] finestone#0000 i will say i am not counting on any profit from the TAI [25-Jul-24 03:45 AM] jcheung#0000 gets you started quicker with lower upfront cost-saving on the CM gets you a few more SMEs which offsets the lack of COGC [25-Jul-24 03:45 AM] finestone#0000 yepp and just way easier to execute [25-Jul-24 03:46 AM] evany.#0000 are you certain on those locations ? [25-Jul-24 03:46 AM] jcheung#0000 and more leeway for consumables as well since you're only buffering for one base instead of two [25-Jul-24 03:47 AM] evany.#0000 AU-605c from ANT is 4-5day round trip WU-070a from ANT is probably 3 days [25-Jul-24 03:47 AM] finestone#0000 SE-648c&a had been discussed as well [25-Jul-24 03:48 AM] evany.#0000 being in starter ships at 500t limits, means your taking 3 days to haul 2.5'ish days worth of supplies [25-Jul-24 03:48 AM] evany.#0000 so youll be relying on both ships or third party hauling to make it happen [25-Jul-24 03:48 AM] evany.#0000 se is probably a much safer bet. [25-Jul-24 03:49 AM] finestone#0000 w/ inventory maxed out and min fuel WU-070 a 1 day 8h 77,813,679 km 36 parsecs 0.274% 68 units STL fuel 76 units FTL fuel [25-Jul-24 03:50 AM] finestone#0000 so ANT > WU 1 day 8 hours [25-Jul-24 03:50 AM] finestone#0000 ANT > AU 2 days [25-Jul-24 03:50 AM] finestone#0000 AU > ANT [25-Jul-24 03:50 AM] finestone#0000 AU-605 c 2 days 12h 76,732,342 km 84 parsecs 0.287% 61 units STL fuel 178 units FTL fuel [25-Jul-24 03:51 AM] finestone#0000 ohh you were saying round trip yes your time estimates are correct [25-Jul-24 03:51 AM] finestone#0000 so i calculated about 5k in fuel daily [25-Jul-24 03:51 AM] evany.#0000 i struggle sometimes to keep my bases supplied circled: two day round trip and i have upgraded/fast ships... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1265954647458189404/image.png?ex=681487a4&is=68133624&hm=b1e9938f6cc65b77e68b435aba8bf2977629099a0b35da36f5e7f07917d5a56f& [25-Jul-24 03:52 AM] evany.#0000 being out there every week is bit of a drain ! i would struggle to keep a base afloat that far!! [25-Jul-24 03:52 AM] finestone#0000 a full load of supplies seems like way more than 3 days [25-Jul-24 03:52 AM] evany.#0000 yeah my numbers included lhp bonus and 10% speed etc [25-Jul-24 03:53 AM] evany.#0000 this is your au base its sa ying you import 3m3/4tonnes a day and export 106m3/170tonnes a day {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1265955161793237094/image.png?ex=6814881e&is=6813369e&hm=bc6e30e99935dccf5c40a892bb522922c2c9a4ac606e486c8f9ad41bb5d25607& [25-Jul-24 03:54 AM] finestone#0000 yes that is correct [25-Jul-24 03:55 AM] jcheung#0000 plus side is that with SMEs on that base the exports will go down slightly [25-Jul-24 03:55 AM] evany.#0000 yeah the real numbers who knows. [25-Jul-24 03:55 AM] jcheung#0000 *if* they go that route, that is [25-Jul-24 03:56 AM] evany.#0000 hopefully they are more detail oriented than i am [25-Jul-24 03:56 AM] evany.#0000 seems like whenever i'm doing a 2day haul out somewhere i'm always there missing 1 Truss [25-Jul-24 03:57 AM] evany.#0000 4day mistake missing something stupid or forgetting to ship overalls or something [25-Jul-24 03:58 AM] finestone#0000 true mistakes would be expensive out there [25-Jul-24 03:58 AM] jcheung#0000 bah, forgetting OVE isn't too bad [25-Jul-24 03:58 AM] jcheung#0000 ....my mistakes i regret are taking ALO the wrong way, from deimos to ANT [25-Jul-24 03:58 AM] jcheung#0000 and that's just a hop skip and a jump away [25-Jul-24 03:58 AM] finestone#0000 i may also just build warehouse on each and oversupply 🙂 and help local market the others living around [25-Jul-24 03:59 AM] evany.#0000 last time ishipped out to somewhere i was missing my 6 truss couldn't deploy the core module had to sit in orbit for three days waiting for my other ship to fix my fuck up lol [25-Jul-24 03:59 AM] finestone#0000 less to worry about if you have 2 weeks worth of supplies [25-Jul-24 03:59 AM] jcheung#0000 having at least one STO on your base is a really smart idea [25-Jul-24 03:59 AM] finestone#0000 i already calc the build out [25-Jul-24 04:00 AM] finestone#0000 WU-070a (40xBBH 32xBDE 60xBSE 4xBTA 4xLDE 4xLSE 4xLTA 768xMCG 12xPSL 8xTRU) Total Volume 221.60 t Total Weight 231.28 m³ AU-605c (12xBBH 6xBDE 86xBSE 3xBTA 4xLDE 4xLSE 4xLTA 720xMCG 12xPSL 8xTRU) Total Volume 168.00 t Total Weight 210.66 m³ [25-Jul-24 04:00 AM] jcheung#0000 don't forget initial consumables in that first run [25-Jul-24 04:02 AM] finestone#0000 yeah i will have to see if they fit on that ship or maybe i do 2 half runs [25-Jul-24 04:02 AM] finestone#0000 also i should probably build ore world first by itself and get some ore first so the other planet will have something to produce [25-Jul-24 04:03 AM] jcheung#0000 better to leave off a building or two and take enough consumables to last you until the next trip [25-Jul-24 04:03 AM] finestone#0000 yepp 100% [25-Jul-24 04:03 AM] jcheung#0000 also [25-Jul-24 04:03 AM] jcheung#0000 super important note [25-Jul-24 04:03 AM] jcheung#0000 when you place a base, you only have 200 guaranteed PIO [25-Jul-24 04:04 AM] jcheung#0000 there's also 10% of the unemployed available to you, the (x) next to pop requirements when you're building [25-Jul-24 04:04 AM] jcheung#0000 once that hits 0, you will not gain additional pop until weekly pop reset-but make sure that all your buildings are placed before said reset [25-Jul-24 04:05 AM] finestone#0000 hmmm interesting [25-Jul-24 04:05 AM] jcheung#0000 you can figure it out by clicking the population # on PLI [25-Jul-24 04:05 AM] jcheung#0000 each planet is different [25-Jul-24 04:06 AM] finestone#0000 WU070 has 4.7k pio with 15% unemplo so good there [25-Jul-24 04:06 AM] jcheung#0000 which means to start you have 270 PIO to work with [25-Jul-24 04:06 AM] evany.#0000 really good point something ihadn't considered at all was is the planet functional [25-Jul-24 04:06 AM] jcheung#0000 yes [25-Jul-24 04:07 AM] jcheung#0000 i checked them 😂 [25-Jul-24 04:07 AM] evany.#0000 good call mr capable [25-Jul-24 04:07 AM] finestone#0000 2.1k pio w/ 6% unemplo on AU [25-Jul-24 04:07 AM] finestone#0000 so could have issues there [25-Jul-24 04:07 AM] evany.#0000 i don't even check my planets! [25-Jul-24 04:07 AM] evany.#0000 didn't think to check his [25-Jul-24 04:08 AM] jcheung#0000 oh, actually i might have missed AU [25-Jul-24 04:08 AM] jcheung#0000 yeah, i checked WU and some of the others i brought up but not AU 😬 [25-Jul-24 04:10 AM] jcheung#0000 huh [25-Jul-24 04:10 AM] finestone#0000 I made sure people were activily living on them [25-Jul-24 04:10 AM] jcheung#0000 how is the pop stable whatsoever on that planet [25-Jul-24 04:10 AM] finestone#0000 but AU def small pop [25-Jul-24 04:10 AM] jcheung#0000 planetary infra isn't at all supplied! [25-Jul-24 04:11 AM] jcheung#0000 i wonder if there's just like a handful of inactive bases there [25-Jul-24 04:11 AM] jcheung#0000 and apparently infrastructure still provides a little bit of effect even while completely not upkept? [25-Jul-24 04:12 AM] evany.#0000 yeah thats the problem with rim planets. you might end up holding the 'bag' so to speak [25-Jul-24 04:12 AM] evany.#0000 is it still profitable to run the base when your also supplying the planet? [25-Jul-24 04:12 AM] evany.#0000 maybe. honestly never looked [25-Jul-24 04:12 AM] jcheung#0000 technically... maybe [25-Jul-24 04:13 AM] jcheung#0000 can probably get away with just supplying DW [25-Jul-24 04:13 AM] evany.#0000 is that all pops need to not flee and keep happiness high enough ? [25-Jul-24 04:13 AM] jcheung#0000 which is... uh. how to read this. 50 a day? [25-Jul-24 04:13 AM] evany.#0000 seems like a lot when dw is 100 bucks a unit ? [25-Jul-24 04:13 AM] evany.#0000 5k/day [25-Jul-24 04:13 AM] jcheung#0000 yeah, so cuts a fair chunk out of profit margin [25-Jul-24 04:14 AM] jcheung#0000 would have to get one of the gov experts to say for sure if just DW would be enough here [25-Jul-24 04:14 AM] finestone#0000 should i reach out to the 2 people activily living there and ask? [25-Jul-24 04:14 AM] jcheung#0000 in other news, might have chatted enough that you probably want to post your entire plan again for people to see 😂 oops. [25-Jul-24 04:15 AM] jcheung#0000 ...how do you see who lives there [25-Jul-24 04:15 AM] finestone#0000 Operator Comfy Management Founded 378 days ago Developed area 99% [25-Jul-24 04:15 AM] finestone#0000 Taiyi Bureau Founded 80 days ago Developed area 98% Primary industry Food Industries [25-Jul-24 04:15 AM] evany.#0000 i'd look at who votes to see whos active on a planet [25-Jul-24 04:16 AM] jcheung#0000 no gov project [25-Jul-24 04:16 AM] evany.#0000 cogc [25-Jul-24 04:16 AM] finestone#0000 Taiyi Bureau 1080 2 days ago [25-Jul-24 04:17 AM] finestone#0000 that was the most recent COGC [25-Jul-24 04:17 AM] evany.#0000 so one person out there [25-Jul-24 04:17 AM] evany.#0000 might be worth trying to reach out to that player and get his take [25-Jul-24 04:18 AM] finestone#0000 okay [25-Jul-24 04:18 AM] evany.#0000 see if you can make a friend [25-Jul-24 04:18 AM] evany.#0000 its what i would do if i were going to rim [25-Jul-24 04:22 AM] finestone#0000 okay i shot him a message [25-Jul-24 04:24 AM] evany.#0000 he's in the official discord [25-Jul-24 04:24 AM] evany.#0000 actively too, posted yesterday [25-Jul-24 04:24 AM] finestone#0000 I have upgraded to Pro and would like to apply for the grant. Plan 1 - Upgrade HQ 1 level (Need 1 more permit) $32k 2 - Demolish 2HB1 2SME on Phobos (Keeping CM) 3 - Build onto AU-605c (1xCM 5xEXT 3xHB1) $322k 4 - Build onto WU-070a (1xCM 1xEXT 6xSME 4xHB1) $400k 5 - Move HQ to WU-070a (Better COCG, Faction Bonus, and shorter Ore transit time) 6 - Profit selling TI and max out WU-070a Area with SME 7 - Start a new production chain on Phobos (Software? Chemistry?) Initial Build Out can be down with 1 ship and my other ship will have supplies. WU-070a (40xBBH 32xBDE 60xBSE 4xBTA 4xLDE 4xLSE 4xLTA 768xMCG 12xPSL 8xTRU) Total Volume 221.60 t Total Weight 231.28 m³ AU-605c (12xBBH 6xBDE 86xBSE 3xBTA 4xLDE 4xLSE 4xLTA 720xMCG 12xPSL 8xTRU) Total Volume 168.00 t Total Weight 210.66 m³ Estimated ROI 1-2 Weeks (Travel Time + Sell Time) Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Thank you, [25-Jul-24 04:25 AM] finestone#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/ea5e7cbc-a9ed-4b5d-a5e2-1a5a4b5a94b8 https://prunplanner.org/shared/81ca48b2-4335-40be-9802-4a3dc070944c {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/ea5e7cbc-a9ed-4b5d-a5e2-1a5a4b5a94b8 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/81ca48b2-4335-40be-9802-4a3dc070944c PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [25-Jul-24 06:38 AM] jvaler#0000 uh that's not how ROI works, ROI is return on investment not just time until first revenue. pretty sure you're not making back 750k AIC in 10d lol but everything else looks pretty good. i'll send u the grant when i'm home [25-Jul-24 06:39 AM] finestone#0000 50k daily x 14 days is 700k but okay! Thanks [25-Jul-24 06:40 AM] jvaler#0000 50k daily from that few buildings? huh... alright [25-Jul-24 06:41 AM] finestone#0000 It may be unrealistic! We shall see 😄 regardless should be profitable! [25-Jul-24 06:42 AM] finestone#0000 27 ti daily x2100 avg is 50k alone plus additional ore sales to cover expenses and fuel. [25-Jul-24 06:47 AM] finestone#0000 Also am I able to join the corp? If I need to be more established thats fine too are thier requirements? Thanks again for this awesome grant! I hope to make ANT proud! [25-Jul-24 07:21 AM] jvaler#0000 the corp is mainly for aesthetic purposes under the CULT label(production co-ops), which AGP doesn't actually fall under. our corp HQ is on elon so if you had a base there i'd be happy to make an exception for the +10% boost. but as it is there's not much purpose [25-Jul-24 07:25 AM] finestone#0000 Understood 😊 thanks [25-Jul-24 01:40 PM] archielvahr#0000 Looks like a pretty good plan! If you want your money sooner or jvaler gets busy, let me know, and I can send it too [25-Jul-24 03:09 PM] jvaler#0000 oops yeah i should put it in the log [25-Jul-24 08:01 PM] xtc69#0000 @archielvahr Ping for grant cash later thank you [25-Jul-24 10:07 PM] archielvahr#0000 Sent! [25-Jul-24 10:08 PM] xtc69#0000 aww ty still stilling up base before i spend a dime lol [25-Jul-24 10:08 PM] xtc69#0000 going to make sure you guys help me fully lol [25-Jul-24 10:08 PM] archielvahr#0000 😄 [25-Jul-24 10:08 PM] tanda#0000 don't forget to use the internal market! [26-Jul-24 01:54 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 Hello, this is my reapplication for the grant. I want to liquidate my company and restart on Deimos to eventually export aluminum to do lightweight bulkhead construction on Nike to take advantage of the COGC. Deimos base (475k): 5x HB1 3x Extractor for ALO 5x SME producing AL Nike (205k): 1x HB1 1x HB2 4x PP2 for LBH Theoretical ROI: ~10 days (excluding shipping time/costs/bottlenecks) Let me know if this sounds reasonable. [26-Jul-24 02:03 PM] finestone#0000 If you did this in PrunPlanner want to link? top right is share thanks [26-Jul-24 02:04 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/d4e0e411-c212-4dab-bbcd-173a333e3179 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/d4e0e411-c212-4dab-bbcd-173a333e3179 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [26-Jul-24 02:05 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/1a96eb9c-efac-4e08-8b02-cc91fb40dbfb {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/1a96eb9c-efac-4e08-8b02-cc91fb40dbfb PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [26-Jul-24 02:05 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 I'm not sure how to share the overall plan, so these are the two separate bases [26-Jul-24 02:09 PM] finestone#0000 Seems good only thing i can tell is buying the ALO (in current market conditions) seems more profitable use of capitol then mining maybe start off with only 1 EXT? [26-Jul-24 02:12 PM] finestone#0000 Actually never mind ROI is way better on those then i initially saw i would leave it as is! I am noob tho so get other opinion 🙂 [26-Jul-24 02:13 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 Oh lmao ok [26-Jul-24 02:15 PM] jcheung#0000 you may want to consider adding some STO as well [26-Jul-24 02:16 PM] igfloz#0000 If you "can" have a planet for each, taking advantage of both CoGC, you may find that you have excess ALO - This can be sold on the LM or CX for further profit 🙂 [26-Jul-24 02:16 PM] igfloz#0000 ooh, yeah STO is an awesome idea [26-Jul-24 02:16 PM] jcheung#0000 i also suggest you reduce PP2 count by one and increase SME count by one [26-Jul-24 02:16 PM] jcheung#0000 the reason behind that being that, then you would make an excess of AL instead of needing it [26-Jul-24 02:17 PM] jcheung#0000 additionally, this reduces your startup costs slightly which gives you more overhead for feedstock [26-Jul-24 02:17 PM] finestone#0000 there may be benefit to also producing LDE in addition to LBH as you will have less impact on market 🙂 [26-Jul-24 02:18 PM] jcheung#0000 what do you mean by 'less' [26-Jul-24 02:18 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 What is STO? [26-Jul-24 02:18 PM] igfloz#0000 storage [26-Jul-24 02:19 PM] finestone#0000 over saturation can lead to decreased margins was all i was thinking [26-Jul-24 02:19 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1266474903956361316/image.png?ex=68151aab&is=6813c92b&hm=14198f2719adf5cbd1e829293d76810bc1565f9c3ee5a7e723732c97b1629a27& [26-Jul-24 02:20 PM] finestone#0000 LBH LDE and LTA all use AL and have similar ROI so rotating through them should allow for better margins was my thinking [26-Jul-24 02:21 PM] jcheung#0000 LDE will cost a lot to get that NL [26-Jul-24 02:21 PM] jcheung#0000 it's not a good choice to start [26-Jul-24 02:22 PM] jcheung#0000 also PP2 is just a building, they can flex into whatever recipe later with ease [26-Jul-24 02:22 PM] igfloz#0000 I think that is why we see periods of low LDE availability sometimes [26-Jul-24 02:23 PM] jcheung#0000 so maybe first week LTA, LBH... next week LDE, maybe toss in some B-fabs [26-Jul-24 02:23 PM] jcheung#0000 the only thing you should try to avoid making with a PP2 is BDE [26-Jul-24 02:23 PM] finestone#0000 true but the margins on final product are worth it [26-Jul-24 02:24 PM] jcheung#0000 it's not worth it if you tie up all your remaining funds for a day and a half of production, then you have to wait half a day to buy more feedstock and then another half a day to ship feed back [26-Jul-24 03:59 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 I don't think I'd be impacting margins at the volumes I'm producing [26-Jul-24 04:04 PM] jcheung#0000 not likely, no. [26-Jul-24 04:05 PM] jcheung#0000 i don't know if you got around to seeing this line nano? [26-Jul-24 06:07 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 Oh yeah, I probably will do that [26-Jul-24 11:05 PM] jvaler#0000 this sounds great! gonna go send you a cont for the grant now [26-Jul-24 11:44 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 Thank you! [26-Jul-24 11:46 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 Oh wait, I'm dumb, I terminated the contract before taking the money, could you send it again? @jvaler [26-Jul-24 11:46 PM] jvaler#0000 no, thank you for developing antares 🫡 [26-Jul-24 11:46 PM] jvaler#0000 nono you have the money :) [26-Jul-24 11:46 PM] jvaler#0000 you did it right [26-Jul-24 11:46 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 Oh, there was a delay on my finance screen for some reason [26-Jul-24 11:47 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 I'll do my best :antares_initiative: [26-Jul-24 11:48 PM] jvaler#0000 just remember to buy Ko-Combine branded consumables 😼 and redeem your free :MCG: vouchers! [26-Jul-24 11:48 PM] jvaler#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249045624471582/1228507717250056272 [26-Jul-24 11:49 PM] jvaler#0000 (your grant money will go further this way) [26-Jul-24 11:51 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 I love free space concrete! [26-Jul-24 11:52 PM] jvaler#0000 it's delicious and nutritious [26-Jul-24 11:52 PM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/im-fucking-starving-eating-eating-concrete-eating-a-building-starving-gif-5491419569521719842 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/im-fucking-starving-eating-eating-concrete-eating-a-building-starving-gif-5491419569521719842 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jIzrTWKsKtYV8RhpdbERBlK2jcQzq31YdX9wsNHft5w/https/media.tenor.com/TDVxAPH4eiIAAAAe/im-fucking-starving-eating.png [26-Jul-24 11:55 PM] jcheung#0000 hmmm. i don't think i ever claimed free mcg, and now it's too late 😂 [26-Jul-24 11:55 PM] jvaler#0000 your next CM awaits... [26-Jul-24 11:55 PM] jcheung#0000 no, i don't think it's appropriate since i make it and sell it on the cx 😂 [26-Jul-24 11:55 PM] jvaler#0000 ohh lmfao [26-Jul-24 11:56 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 Where should I set the buy location as? [26-Jul-24 11:56 PM] jvaler#0000 it has been sitting at MM for an oddly long amount of time. you're eating good {Reactions} 👍 [26-Jul-24 11:57 PM] jvaler#0000 ANT plz [26-Jul-24 11:57 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 The CXL station right? [26-Jul-24 11:57 PM] jvaler#0000 CXL is the list of stations [26-Jul-24 11:57 PM] jvaler#0000 ANT is antares station [26-Jul-24 11:57 PM] jvaler#0000 ~~aka `CX ANT`~~ [26-Jul-24 11:58 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 Oh I see [26-Jul-24 11:58 PM] jvaler#0000 wait wrong command [26-Jul-24 11:58 PM] jvaler#0000 `CX AI1` [26-Jul-24 11:58 PM] FIDO#2937 {Embed} Error: no match No matching materials were found. [26-Jul-24 11:58 PM] jvaler#0000 sry [26-Jul-24 11:58 PM] jvaler#0000 bad bot [26-Jul-24 11:59 PM] jvaler#0000 it's market identifier is AI1 but it's location code is ANT. kinda weird [26-Jul-24 11:59 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1266621032882507819/image.png?ex=6814fa02&is=6813a882&hm=81cfac35b9b93cecfee6a05b6c88437c40aa834855f7b28da1204df5db1d1aa8& [27-Jul-24 12:00 AM] shinonomesciences#0000 Ah, that's what I was confused about [27-Jul-24 12:00 AM] jvaler#0000 @shinonomesciences remember to rent warehouses on ANT too [27-Jul-24 12:12 AM] jcheung#0000 i think you can technically plug in ZV-307 and leave off the letter at the end too [27-Jul-24 12:13 AM] jvaler#0000 yeah that's it's technical location i think, ANT just being shorthand [27-Jul-24 12:13 AM] jvaler#0000 or maybe it's the other way around? [27-Jul-24 12:13 AM] jcheung#0000 yes, can confirm that, phone does that and was confused as shit the first time [27-Jul-24 12:14 AM] jcheung#0000 i was lik "wtf is 307 i selected ant" [06-Aug-24 10:38 AM] realmraker#0000 Hello looking for a grant [06-Aug-24 10:38 AM] realmraker#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/b95023be-6403-4751-bb2d-4299f0b709d9 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/b95023be-6403-4751-bb2d-4299f0b709d9 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [06-Aug-24 10:39 AM] realmraker#0000 It's a pg base a cult project [06-Aug-24 10:43 AM] jvaler#0000 you're already getting a 2.1mil 0% interest loan for that, right? the 750k grant would be going to something else then... do you have a plan for your 3rd base? [06-Aug-24 10:44 AM] realmraker#0000 This would be my 3rd base [06-Aug-24 10:44 AM] jvaler#0000 oh didn't realize you were on helion prime [06-Aug-24 10:44 AM] realmraker#0000 So have to upgrade the hq [06-Aug-24 10:44 AM] realmraker#0000 Would like to expand to more Chem bases [06-Aug-24 10:45 AM] jvaler#0000 even more than the planned elon base? [06-Aug-24 10:45 AM] realmraker#0000 Yep [06-Aug-24 10:46 AM] realmraker#0000 Probably producing ddt or something [06-Aug-24 10:46 AM] jvaler#0000 well your next options in antares would be griffonstone, electronica, or... bober... [06-Aug-24 10:47 AM] realmraker#0000 I'll come back here when I have a plan {Reactions} 🫡 ✅ [06-Aug-24 11:33 AM] kumotomeko#0000 I am NOT looking for a grant (yet) I just would like someone to review this plan and tell me their thoughts. Only just made a company after liquidating, this plan looks to fill a market gap more than make fast ROI (designed a different one that is vastly faster ROI but the supply already is crazy compared to the demand (so likely would price crash it) where as BSE has a lot of demand but not as much supply it seems) https://prunplanner.org/shared/c9288a1b-4d61-4fe8-bee4-01691ced1419 Also not quite sure I have entered some of the details in correctly so might be incorrect {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/c9288a1b-4d61-4fe8-bee4-01691ced1419 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [06-Aug-24 11:42 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So since Deimos’ CoGC is metallurgy that will get a boost [06-Aug-24 11:42 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So generally it’s better to follow that since that means you can produce more stuff per day [06-Aug-24 11:43 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You could leave the ext and col maybe [06-Aug-24 11:43 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But I would definitely take off the FRM INC PP2 etc [06-Aug-24 11:43 AM] jcheung#0000 🤔 why only half settler luxury? {Reactions} 👆 [06-Aug-24 11:44 AM] kumotomeko#0000 was just a balance issue since ROI went down with it as the amount of stuff started to get messy, as for the other part, I was aiming to produce as much as I could without drawing from market as much [06-Aug-24 11:44 AM] jcheung#0000 ROI decreasing is a good thing [06-Aug-24 11:44 AM] .urpalhal#0000 It is ok to use the CX Bc it does cost you to make stuff [06-Aug-24 11:45 AM] kumotomeko#0000 I meant the money it made was less [06-Aug-24 11:46 AM] jcheung#0000 i personally would consider splitting off your PP2s to another planet and slotting in more SMEs {Reactions} 👆 (2) [06-Aug-24 11:47 AM] jcheung#0000 frm and inc probably should go to yet another... but that probably costs too much right now [06-Aug-24 11:48 AM] jcheung#0000 and the rig, i think may cost you more per unit of water than it could hope to save you [06-Aug-24 11:48 AM] kumotomeko#0000 so basically just completely depend on the market for a lot of resources instead of produce them myself and hyper specialise planets? [06-Aug-24 11:48 AM] jcheung#0000 well there's the thing [06-Aug-24 11:48 AM] jcheung#0000 you want to hyper specialize planets because of COGC boosts-they reduce your workforce cost per unit produced [06-Aug-24 11:48 AM] jcheung#0000 it's a big boost [06-Aug-24 11:48 AM] .urpalhal#0000 As a beginner I’d say yeah bc you’ll make more money that way since you’ll make more per day [06-Aug-24 11:49 AM] .urpalhal#0000 It’s a HUGE boost [06-Aug-24 11:49 AM] kumotomeko#0000 well the highest ROI also provided an insane amount of resources where supply is already vastly higher than demand [06-Aug-24 11:49 AM] kumotomeko#0000 so felt like producing something useful might be better [06-Aug-24 11:50 AM] .urpalhal#0000 There are some projects that you could get into that produce BSE and BBH if you wanted to go that route [06-Aug-24 11:50 AM] jcheung#0000 with the PP2s specifically though, if you're making BSE, a single SME can support 2 PP2's... so it's reasonable to assume that you could fill out an entire base with PP2's with the output of SMEs you could put in the place of those PP2's you have now [06-Aug-24 11:50 AM] kumotomeko#0000 was just an idea following the resource map for what I could produce [06-Aug-24 11:51 AM] jcheung#0000 though transport may be an issue [06-Aug-24 11:51 AM] .urpalhal#0000 If you do want to do some smaller scale niche products [06-Aug-24 11:52 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You could do LHP [06-Aug-24 11:52 AM] .urpalhal#0000 WEL are metallurgy and they use AL [06-Aug-24 11:52 AM] jcheung#0000 is WEL metallurgy? [06-Aug-24 11:52 AM] jcheung#0000 thoguht it was construction [06-Aug-24 11:53 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I think it’s metallurgy [06-Aug-24 11:53 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1270424444917252217/image.png?ex=6814f877&is=6813a6f7&hm=2cfb7f20292e7dfd412f1f612786195cd345d3772557d2b619f0e9509a9dffc0& [06-Aug-24 11:53 AM] .urpalhal#0000 ☠️ {Reactions} 😅 [06-Aug-24 11:53 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Wow [06-Aug-24 11:53 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I’m brain dead I guess [06-Aug-24 11:53 AM] jcheung#0000 hey, i only know because i looked it up literally 3 days ago [06-Aug-24 11:53 AM] kumotomeko#0000 that could be a good idea to go for FC from that since expands my idea [06-Aug-24 11:54 AM] jcheung#0000 this button is useful {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1270424721627807825/image.png?ex=6814f8b8&is=6813a738&hm=59205323b32e98b8d6e2915483f39046cf627af46109d9b6072e0b7e54b14533& [06-Aug-24 11:54 AM] jcheung#0000 now, EXT on deimos isn't a bad idea, at least in the short term [06-Aug-24 11:54 AM] kumotomeko#0000 thanks for advice anyway will look into other options when I am finished eating :p [06-Aug-24 11:55 AM] kumotomeko#0000 also how does the corporation hq on planet work? is that my starting planet or actually joining a company or whatever? [06-Aug-24 11:56 AM] jcheung#0000 you have to join a corperation and then have a HQ built [06-Aug-24 11:56 AM] jcheung#0000 it's not the same as your company HQ [06-Aug-24 11:56 AM] kumotomeko#0000 ok thanks [06-Aug-24 12:50 PM] kumotomeko#0000 Did some fiddling around and either I am doing something really wrong or this is just crazy ROI https://prunplanner.org/shared/c22c39b5-2164-45cb-9a04-082bd9861b8f {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/c22c39b5-2164-45cb-9a04-082bd9861b8f PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [06-Aug-24 12:57 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Nobody is buying it {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1270440522196062379/2024-08-06_10-56.png?ex=68150770&is=6813b5f0&hm=fc02d2e193453f6387d5abfa3dc6ef22395d5e821dc7eba715301c6ca43f9895& [06-Aug-24 12:57 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 No sales for a week [06-Aug-24 12:57 PM] kumotomeko#0000 thought as much, just a hard thing to work with when throwing stuff randomly at a wall to see what sticks [06-Aug-24 12:58 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I have a chart of beginner materials, let me bring that up [06-Aug-24 01:02 PM] jvaler#0000 @puncher23 hey what's your company code and/or ingame username? it seems to be missing from your nickname now and i need it for a spreadsheet :P [06-Aug-24 01:09 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 @kumotomeko Here's a limited selection of beginner materials and rough estimation of money/day of a dedicated base at 100%. There are more profitable options and some mats are best produced together with others as to not overwhelm the demand but I hope this might help a bit {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1270443554820456468/beginner_2024_08_06.png?ex=68150a43&is=6813b8c3&hm=5d3ce721f704f2de51bab959f982298f9eaccca7977ac264ea23f80fc6aae1fd& [06-Aug-24 01:16 PM] razenpok#0000 Also this, still mostly relevant {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1270445336300884110/image.png?ex=68150beb&is=6813ba6b&hm=6e54a04d8fba0ae4549c2b548f038edd2ea996cfdf4fc42bab236ef0e694e2d0& [06-Aug-24 01:23 PM] kumotomeko#0000 Think I will call it quits, thanks for your time anyway [06-Aug-24 04:00 PM] jvaler#0000 @.decks @pensivephoenix hi, sorry to bother you two but did y'all ever recieve the last 250k AIC of your AGP grant? and also who sent it to you would be helpful, if you remember. ik this is 6 months old but i'm filling in data for a spreadsheet :P {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1270486591344742484/image.png?ex=68148997&is=68133817&hm=341fd83317849529af978e63ecf6ec8dd026bef8c4d4c3e4ba4e36018f6381a5& [06-Aug-24 05:05 PM] .decks#0000 Not sure but conts only go back like 50 days [06-Aug-24 05:07 PM] .decks#0000 I’ll take the 250 if it’s messing with the records and your not sure either {Reactions} kekw [06-Aug-24 05:07 PM] jvaler#0000 sure lmao why not [06-Aug-24 05:08 PM] jvaler#0000 sent ✅ [06-Aug-24 05:08 PM] .decks#0000 :cat_happy: [06-Aug-24 05:12 PM] jcheung#0000 Free money [06-Aug-24 05:27 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 here comes more drones, lol [06-Aug-24 05:29 PM] .decks#0000 Drones are love, drones are life [07-Aug-24 05:28 AM] kudagit#0000 Hi. Can I apply for a grant? I will be working as an AI smelter for a larger project with the Aluminum Alliance. They have already lent me some of the needed resources, but I need to buy additional materials to kick-start production. https://prunplanner.org/shared/7e9b643e-77f3-499e-b4af-b9b176de3ffe {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/7e9b643e-77f3-499e-b4af-b9b176de3ffe PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [07-Aug-24 05:39 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Absolutely! (Hello again 😆😊) you can also send me contracts for any of the building materials you still need on Deimos if you want. For free. I can send some consumables and flux as well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [07-Aug-24 05:49 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 @jvaler 750k sent to KudaGitsune [07-Aug-24 07:19 AM] jvaler#0000 ty, will add when home [11-Aug-24 11:33 PM] puncher23#0000 Kawa Keenmind company code keen [11-Aug-24 11:34 PM] jvaler#0000 tysm! [11-Aug-24 11:34 PM] puncher23#0000 np [14-Aug-24 03:48 AM] revoric#0000 Would it be acceptable to apply for the grant to produce fuel (and related outputs) out of IY-206? thinking about expanding to a few planets in that system [14-Aug-24 06:10 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Hmmm... 1) Which process(es)? SF/FF 2) Which planet(s)? IY-206a-j 3) How much of an FTL capability, in terms of t/m3, are you willing to supply that project, once per week (at least)? 4) What are the projected base metrics, that you have in mind? This ain't banter/counterpoint either. Just pure info. Maybe you might find a better site of fuel production, should you consider these things. However, grants usually are dolled, irl, regarding the viability of what's proposed. If your idea can be / is viable, then let us know how we can help you. 🙂 [14-Aug-24 06:20 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'd think you're aiming for this (with max experts). Who knows, right? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1273239741185261619/Screenshot_from_2024-08-14_06-19-09.png?ex=6814aa69&is=681358e9&hm=a864a3235087edbc9ef53a9ad71101e436ccb3ec1baff18b79ade6bcf7811840& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1273239741600370742/Screenshot_from_2024-08-14_06-19-15.png?ex=6814aa6a&is=681358ea&hm=f9619889e492679f33263adbca4f345d1eb112a24b47a4015579a2b3b3085f36& [14-Aug-24 06:21 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 A VCB import of H, and a WCB export of FF, every ~10 days, not counting the repair mats. [14-Aug-24 06:32 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Hmm, this could be better in the long term, but there's no COGC at IY-206j. :/ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1273242834878726165/Screenshot_from_2024-08-14_06-29-08.png?ex=6814ad4b&is=68135bcb&hm=a5b17a958f7866305cfe755af1d0dc4aa6f3ddb7c388668cba01ac061f76b0f8& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1273242835231182890/Screenshot_from_2024-08-14_06-30-35.png?ex=6814ad4b&is=68135bcb&hm=ee0e7ebd97cfd7dbdb00c904d3189ae362b72b2972a56f0e4c926b85a335743d& [14-Aug-24 06:42 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Either option is #fully-viable, provided that you can get the logistics covered. It a little (quite a large issue actually), when people go head-first into fuel production. They like the margins, but they forget about the t/m3 requirements, should you want to run such a process. Iirc, this sort of thing popped up like a year, or two ago. UV-351a was a big fuel refining hub.... until people found out what their logistical needs were, and what better margins they could get from manufacturing.... That planet largely stopped being a fuel refining hub, long ago. [14-Aug-24 06:43 AM] revoric#0000 i was thinking about going full col on IY-206i didnt go much further yet not sure what direction to go . i normally play space games by launching myself out and play self sufficiently but this game doent take kindly to that notion without a cordinated group of people lol [14-Aug-24 06:44 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 So a full IY-206i | COL (HE3 export to ANT)? [14-Aug-24 06:45 AM] revoric#0000 currently that was the plan, locating a refinery location would be next, though with just my 2 starter ships im not sure what the logistical demands are [14-Aug-24 06:46 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The top right, of my screenies, with the white screens, are daily t/m3 requirements for Import/Export. [14-Aug-24 06:47 AM] revoric#0000 so not terrible for he3 production, deffinatly a drain for ff i see [14-Aug-24 06:47 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 So, you're looking at ~50t/350m3 in export requirements, from your original idea, or something like it. [14-Aug-24 06:47 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But the base idea is very, very viable. [14-Aug-24 06:48 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Your main issue --- funding a VCB FTL to make your life simple, in this game. [14-Aug-24 06:49 AM] revoric#0000 what is you opinion on 206 c for beryl crystals? , i have yet to look at ship building looks expensive for my 76k account lol [14-Aug-24 06:57 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 LOL... beryl, lets see.... [14-Aug-24 06:59 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's incredibly niche... The output is used for S/M/LFE emitters, and FTL engines.... Not the best idea if you're just starting out, since people like to vertically integrate their operations, when they're at the late-game stage, and whatever figures you see for the BER, are likely a surplus market (no guaranteed weekly sales). [14-Aug-24 07:00 AM] revoric#0000 i understand that lol so many things to do [14-Aug-24 07:06 AM] tanda#0000 Regarding fuel production, there was a group of individuals attempting to step up a system for fuel production at QJ-382, have you looked into that system at all? [14-Aug-24 07:07 AM] revoric#0000 i have not lookin now 🙂 [14-Aug-24 07:07 AM] tanda#0000 oh it was Katinga with OOG that was leading that one [14-Aug-24 07:08 AM] revoric#0000 where do they get their he3? [14-Aug-24 07:09 AM] revoric#0000 or do they only produce sf? [14-Aug-24 07:10 AM] tanda#0000 I would assume if they're doing FF in the system that the HE3 is just being exported from IY-206j. That's the only planet with significant amounts of HE3 in ANT space with any population [14-Aug-24 07:11 AM] revoric#0000 i assumed that would be the case [14-Aug-24 07:18 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Welcome @revoric ! Keep up the research and planning, there's a lot of options but fuel seems like a great plan. I just sent a contract for the grant if you're ready for it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [14-Aug-24 07:19 AM] revoric#0000 haha heard, at the very least ill be producing more to further future plans {Reactions} 💚 [14-Aug-24 07:21 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Nice! Well we're here to answer questions when you have them 😊 [14-Aug-24 07:21 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 @jvaler 750k sent to Revoric [14-Aug-24 07:30 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Tiny loans are a good thing --- totally unlike the 50m outstanding via lowstrife and insulcris, regarding a single player, whose name should have rung bells, lol. [14-Aug-24 07:32 AM] revoric#0000 Lol [14-Aug-24 07:34 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I mean, I don't have anything against any of those people, but then you're sinking that much, into a single relationship, expecting returns, you're just asking for serious trouble. Life happens, and this should be kept in mind, since there's no built-in insurance, sort of thing, in-game, to "underwrite" these sorts of possibilities. [14-Aug-24 07:37 AM] revoric#0000 i see the inevitability of entities like them would suck though to break your leg and find your late game corp blacklisted from the comunity because you defaulted [14-Aug-24 07:42 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 It was 138m total loans... I don't even know what I'd do with that... [14-Aug-24 07:44 AM] revoric#0000 like 3 ships? 😛 [14-Aug-24 07:44 AM] revoric#0000 i wish aurora 4x had multiplayer 😛 alot like this game [14-Aug-24 07:46 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 138m could buy at least 23 ships, which would put you in the top 10 in the game for fleet size 😅 [14-Aug-24 07:48 AM] revoric#0000 damn, do we have any people operating as gas stations or emergency haulers out into deep space? can we turn grey systems into orange? [14-Aug-24 07:50 AM] revoric#0000 totally not the place for this question but already talking here, do i just send contract requests for posts in internal offers and trading? tends to be cheaper then the cx lol [14-Aug-24 07:50 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'm not sure, the game doesn't offer a lot of reasons to travel that far yet 😅 and no, but supporters can name systems [14-Aug-24 07:51 AM] revoric#0000 i still yearn to get 5-10-20 people together and try to "settle" an area lol i totally missed out on the early days {Reactions} 💯 [14-Aug-24 07:51 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Yeah the internal offers are meant to help people and are basically always a much better deal. Usually just ping them and make sure they have supply {Reactions} 😊 [14-Aug-24 07:52 AM] revoric#0000 its not "hard" to support basic infistructre with a few people as long as i continue to not look at planetary upkeet XD [14-Aug-24 07:55 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 😅 yeah I've seen some really rich players do things like that. It takes a lot to set up [14-Aug-24 07:59 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah I'm dolling out some serious counterpoint on UFO, regarding all of that..... Fawk, 138m? Geez, I'm not even done with reading yesterday's backlog, of the issue, on UFO. [14-Aug-24 08:26 AM] jvaler#0000 ty! will log when home [14-Aug-24 08:28 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm not at the computer to look at IY, but SE-648b is the de-facto BER planet in ANT space... so i assume it's probably better :P [20-Aug-24 03:24 AM] laaxus#0000 Hello, is it here to apply for agp ? [20-Aug-24 03:47 AM] laaxus#0000 I think it is [20-Aug-24 03:48 AM] laaxus#0000 my plan is to produce PE, a LOT of PE [20-Aug-24 03:48 AM] laaxus#0000 Because C and H supply is high [20-Aug-24 03:50 AM] laaxus#0000 Because PE demand >> supply and trade volume is high, meaning that I'll always be able to sell my production {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1275376299258675251/image.png?ex=6814873d&is=681335bd&hm=5a6d8d2c15e16eda8fd6bb0f2cd6221904ed3200f95cc6710df114169b2bfd46& [20-Aug-24 03:50 AM] laaxus#0000 and because this is simple [20-Aug-24 03:52 AM] laaxus#0000 My plan is to build 15 HB1, 15 BMP and just produce [20-Aug-24 03:52 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1275376885689225216/image.png?ex=681487c8&is=68133648&hm=49a86c999c96612af4d2a21bddd083764130fa616b5bb865700a2c72ac80ca76& [20-Aug-24 04:27 AM] laaxus#0000 I might change planet so wait a bit before acception [20-Aug-24 04:37 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but PE ASK.CX sales are usually slow. I think you'll be making more than the daily traded amount, so you may have to dump to BID.CX, unless you can find buyers. Of course, PE is usually needed in huge chunks for COG upkeeps, and it could be an option for you, if your sales slow down. You still have free base area in that base plan, so it's doable. [20-Aug-24 04:40 AM] laaxus#0000 From what I saw, PE is one of the product with the most demand [20-Aug-24 04:41 AM] laaxus#0000 so I don't get it, if production means I'll easily supply more than the traded volume, how does one make profit [20-Aug-24 04:42 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I said it's slow. 1 person can buy out like 100k+ units of PE, and will not need to buy it for another 1-2 months, if they really use that commodity. [20-Aug-24 04:42 AM] razenpok#0000 You should diversify your BMP production orders so you produce more types of stuff to not oversaturate the market [20-Aug-24 04:42 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 There's other scenarios in that, but I never seen PE sales go quick, from ASK.CX bids. [20-Aug-24 04:43 AM] razenpok#0000 15 BMPs would murder any commodity market if focused on a single product {Reactions} 🗡️ [20-Aug-24 04:44 AM] laaxus#0000 I think I must misunderstand something about how the economy works [20-Aug-24 04:45 AM] laaxus#0000 does players try to bypass the market as much as they can, producing the whole chain themselves ? [20-Aug-24 04:45 AM] razenpok#0000 Some of them do, but not all of them [20-Aug-24 04:45 AM] finestone#0000 yes but the big thing is they trade directly with eachother more than using CX [20-Aug-24 04:46 AM] laaxus#0000 oh ok, players are trading between themselves [20-Aug-24 04:46 AM] razenpok#0000 I don't think it's that prevalent [20-Aug-24 04:46 AM] razenpok#0000 Maybe 50:50 at most [20-Aug-24 04:46 AM] finestone#0000 Does devs release product exchanges? [20-Aug-24 04:46 AM] razenpok#0000 wdym [20-Aug-24 04:47 AM] finestone#0000 Sim companies (similar game) releases how much is traded on CX compared to private orders [20-Aug-24 04:47 AM] razenpok#0000 @laaxus how much these 15 BMPs would produce PE a day? [20-Aug-24 04:47 AM] laaxus#0000 10k [20-Aug-24 04:47 AM] razenpok#0000 No, they only release CX numbers [20-Aug-24 04:48 AM] finestone#0000 until they release i dont think we will know i should not have said "more" [20-Aug-24 04:48 AM] razenpok#0000 Hmmm, that's not much - cx can easily gobble that {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1275390999903997972/image.png?ex=681494ed&is=6813436d&hm=18fb03359bf9fd97c34726a661f19d83c980ac47da88bb3240e595e5d8ac863b& [20-Aug-24 04:48 AM] finestone#0000 I think Rise for example uses private orders much more than the CX [20-Aug-24 04:48 AM] razenpok#0000 Fair [20-Aug-24 04:49 AM] razenpok#0000 Rise is the black market of prun lol {Reactions} 🤣 [20-Aug-24 04:49 AM] finestone#0000 LOL understood [20-Aug-24 04:49 AM] razenpok#0000 So @laaxus nevermind me, focusing on PE is fine as long as you have the capacity to ship inputs [20-Aug-24 04:49 AM] razenpok#0000 How much t/m3 a day it would require? [20-Aug-24 04:49 AM] finestone#0000 I think his PE plan is fine tho guys honestly biggest issue will be sourcing all the carbon and H {Reactions} 👆 [20-Aug-24 04:50 AM] laaxus#0000 I was planning on maybe producing my C myself ? [20-Aug-24 04:50 AM] razenpok#0000 On the same planet? [20-Aug-24 04:50 AM] finestone#0000 he said it will be "easy" and they are "cheap" but neither of those will be true in the long run [20-Aug-24 04:51 AM] laaxus#0000 Maybe ? Maybe not ? [20-Aug-24 04:52 AM] laaxus#0000 are the only thing player constant buy from the market fuel rations and construction materials ? [20-Aug-24 04:52 AM] finestone#0000 You could starting out but its not ideal. The main reason is you are just trading carbon import for the thing you are turning into carbon [20-Aug-24 04:52 AM] laaxus#0000 worst come to worst, I can change the recipe of the bmp right ? {Reactions} 💯 (2) [20-Aug-24 04:52 AM] razenpok#0000 Mostly, yes, and some basic materials like AL C PE PG [20-Aug-24 04:53 AM] razenpok#0000 I'm running 12 BMPs and recently I've been switching recipes a lot due to market price changes [20-Aug-24 04:53 AM] razenpok#0000 OFF price is dropping for example, so I stopped producing it [20-Aug-24 04:54 AM] finestone#0000 I rotate my BMP's from MG, PE, OVE, EXO, SEA. [20-Aug-24 04:55 AM] laaxus#0000 so how about this. I coliq, restart on hephaistos Take the grant, build a total of 10 bmp, producing PE for the current time, keeping the rest of the money for the time I want to do something else ? [20-Aug-24 04:56 AM] finestone#0000 that sounds like a good starting point to me but i am not a grant giver 🙂 [20-Aug-24 04:56 AM] razenpok#0000 Sounds about right, let's see what @jvaler might say about that [20-Aug-24 04:57 AM] razenpok#0000 Ah, right, do you have a PRO license already? [20-Aug-24 04:57 AM] laaxus#0000 nope ? [20-Aug-24 04:57 AM] finestone#0000 you have to have pro to recieve a grant [20-Aug-24 04:58 AM] razenpok#0000 You need to get that to be able to receive and send contracts [20-Aug-24 04:58 AM] finestone#0000 as you cant player trade until you do {Reactions} 👆 [20-Aug-24 04:59 AM] laaxus#0000 Anyway, I coliq and restart [20-Aug-24 04:59 AM] laaxus#0000 if the grant is accepted, I'll take the pro license for a month {Reactions} 👍 maxwell [20-Aug-24 05:03 AM] laaxus#0000 Ah wait [20-Aug-24 05:03 AM] laaxus#0000 I can't start on hephaistos ? [20-Aug-24 05:04 AM] laaxus#0000 Only Deimos, phobos et harmonia ? [20-Aug-24 05:06 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 😛 [20-Aug-24 05:07 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://tenor.com/view/everything-is-proceeding-as-i-have-foreseen-palpatine-sheev-palpatine-everything-going-according-to-plan-everything-going-ok-gif-2215291108627871761 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/everything-is-proceeding-as-i-have-foreseen-palpatine-sheev-palpatine-everything-going-according-to-plan-everything-going-ok-gif-2215291108627871761 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/rQhhaYdCJXo9xTFLiZwzOcIiIiL8veh7_uFGdGRMreQ/https/media.tenor.com/Hr5LhrPYeBEAAAAe/everything-is-proceeding-as-i-have-foreseen-palpatine.png [20-Aug-24 05:08 AM] laaxus#0000 well, new plan Start on deimos, then use part of the grant money to build a new base on hephaistos {Reactions} blobjustright [20-Aug-24 07:19 AM] jvaler#0000 you can start wherever you like, the planet you pick just determines where your ship loaded with materials spawns at [20-Aug-24 07:19 AM] jvaler#0000 so you can spawn in and just fly over to heph and plop the base down [20-Aug-24 07:21 AM] jvaler#0000 i like the plan though, BMPs are good money and you can't go wrong with PE. just tell me once you've got PRO and i'll send the grant cont [20-Aug-24 09:54 AM] laaxus#0000 I've got the pro license [20-Aug-24 09:58 AM] jvaler#0000 you've COLIQ'd? [20-Aug-24 09:59 AM] laaxus#0000 Yes, this morning, made my base on deimos [20-Aug-24 10:00 AM] laaxus#0000 from what I've heard, it's not a bad choice [20-Aug-24 10:00 AM] laaxus#0000 I was thinking about directly starting a second base on hephaestus [20-Aug-24 10:01 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 With the grant, a Deimos start isn’t bad [20-Aug-24 10:01 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Do take the grant, thatll move you forward 1-2 months [20-Aug-24 10:26 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Pure liquidity injections, just boost player growth. The key phase is from B-fab HQ upgrades, through L-fab HQ upgrades. You get to plop down a central core of what your want your business to look like, and then you grow out from there. [20-Aug-24 10:26 AM] archielvahr#0000 Starting on Heph doing PE is good. [20-Aug-24 10:26 AM] archielvahr#0000 I started an article about that: [20-Aug-24 10:26 AM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-08-19_20-34-03.png {Embed} http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-08-19_20-34-03.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jnYfEiynxyFL8Iap149ZVsXPLEP1zEZ2PIMp2n4Gyfg/http/kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-08-19_20-34-03.png [20-Aug-24 10:26 AM] archielvahr#0000 That's 2x the profit per day compared to Promitor [20-Aug-24 10:27 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I feed your stuff Archiel. {Reactions} ❓ [20-Aug-24 10:27 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Do you want me to divert all shipments to MOR? LOL [20-Aug-24 10:27 AM] archielvahr#0000 And PE is 100% gonna sell, probably better than selling crops on the CX even. [20-Aug-24 10:27 AM] archielvahr#0000 Promitor is the shinest turd among turds [20-Aug-24 10:28 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 What was that trend like 1-3 years ago? Rubbing mud balls into shiny works of art, that sold for like a couple grand a pop? [20-Aug-24 10:28 AM] laaxus#0000 Well I'm glad I had a good Idea as a new player [20-Aug-24 10:28 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Oh yeah, totally. [20-Aug-24 10:29 AM] marat_sh#0000 PE will always be in demand [20-Aug-24 10:29 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If you figured out what you're gonna do, I'm 100% behind it. [20-Aug-24 10:30 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The issue lies in being uncertain, and not pulling the trigger on production, actionable now. [20-Aug-24 10:30 AM] archielvahr#0000 With some discount building materials and a grant you can completely fill your first base on Heph. [20-Aug-24 10:30 AM] marat_sh#0000 You can also mix some basic/luxury in addition to PE production like REP and EXO [20-Aug-24 10:31 AM] marat_sh#0000 MCG is also nice to produce in small quantities (own use and sell) [20-Aug-24 10:31 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 All I do is RAT/DW output. Putting supply pressure down on mainly HRT/ANT markets. [20-Aug-24 10:32 AM] archielvahr#0000 Ah okay. I’m generally self sufficient on rat dw FIM and mea. [20-Aug-24 10:32 AM] archielvahr#0000 But yeah that’s cool. Rat prices are high lately [20-Aug-24 10:33 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Idk, a market correction? I'm fine with it too, lol. [20-Aug-24 10:34 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Huge influx of RAT purchases, across all CXs, about 2-3 weeks ago, which broke the previous demand/supply spreads. [20-Aug-24 10:35 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I've also been seeing huge influxes of newbros on the in-game chats..... Like 10 every weekend.... for like the past 2-3 months... [20-Aug-24 10:38 AM] marat_sh#0000 This game got recommended to me and a few of my friends on steam. Wasn't popping up before that. Might be the reason [20-Aug-24 10:40 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'm still waiting, for a few more updates, until I post my review of PrUn. I've had great fun here, more than ANY other game. [20-Aug-24 10:41 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Slow game == slow reviews. [20-Aug-24 10:43 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Of course, I grew up on Patrician 2/3. Basically the same game, except it was set in the 1300's, instead of the ~3500's? [20-Aug-24 10:44 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 However.... I'd love a fast-forward feature in PrUn..... We will never get that though. [20-Aug-24 10:47 AM] jcheung#0000 i might have to start making some PE for myself 😬 [20-Aug-24 11:01 AM] laaxus#0000 Just buy it from me :p [20-Aug-24 11:01 AM] laaxus#0000 As soon as I receive the grant [20-Aug-24 11:02 AM] marat_sh#0000 There are a lot of people who produce PE. Just ask them. I know okawari is a big PE producer [21-Aug-24 12:57 AM] jvaler#0000 @laaxus sent! [21-Aug-24 02:38 AM] laaxus#0000 just asked for termination [25-Aug-24 03:58 PM] jvaler#0000 @archielvahr, @cptcoleslaw & @sidepipe what do you think about raising AGP to 1mil each? the 750k figure was made up because of the expectation that it would be split 3 ways as 250k each, but given modern circumstances this doesn't really apply anymore. i think the extra 250k would make a big difference in being able to fill out a base, as getting sufficient material+consumable buffers seems to eat up a significant portion of the current 750k. {Reactions} ⏫ [25-Aug-24 04:03 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I think this one is entirely up to you guys. "move to Antares, become an instant millionaire" seems like some solid marketing 😆 but I don't personally fund AGP grants so my opinion doesn't mean much ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ {Reactions} 🤔 [25-Aug-24 04:04 PM] jvaler#0000 how'd this get here then? 🧐 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1277373036474925116/image.png?ex=68148a98&is=68133918&hm=f8c68fc259194883b928826609fc9e0bc4af98182fd0783538a549f36f046acc& [25-Aug-24 04:06 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 😅 I did 2 just so my name would be on the totals board 😂 (KudaGitsune took over my DNPC base so I did their grant, Revoric was just for vanity to push my total over 1m.) [25-Aug-24 04:07 PM] jvaler#0000 well you're on the board of coordinators now, so you get a vote =P [25-Aug-24 04:08 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 😆 hell yeah, I *knew* that's how votes worked [25-Aug-24 04:10 PM] archielvahr#0000 I don't think I have a strong opinion. When I was first giving out grant money ( a few years ago ), I did 250k, cause that was about right to finish out most of the rest of your starter base, get people's farm base to 500 area, etc. My thought was that would break them out of the doldrums of sending nearly empty ships to make 15k selling 100 BEA at a time or whatever. now the price situation has changed a fair bit, and most of the starter bases fill out around 800k ( at CX prices for bfabs ). That doesn't count consumables, so I'm sure that pushes it towards 1m. I think they start with ~160k of stuff, right? [25-Aug-24 04:11 PM] jvaler#0000 not sure... but bases are definitely pushing the 1mil+ cost range. FRMs are the only thing i can think of that are ~800k [25-Aug-24 04:12 PM] archielvahr#0000 This is kinda my reference point: http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-08-25_16-11-59.png {Embed} http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-08-25_16-11-59.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/dO9ytfljzeaCf_rhdpVqefDaXIzZra9iuohuuGrlRzU/http/kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-08-25_16-11-59.png [25-Aug-24 04:12 PM] jvaler#0000 390?? [25-Aug-24 04:13 PM] archielvahr#0000 hmm this says 515 today, not sure if the price source changed: [25-Aug-24 04:13 PM] archielvahr#0000 Oh the CM is free for noobs [25-Aug-24 04:13 PM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-08-25_16-13-33.png [25-Aug-24 04:13 PM] archielvahr#0000 So yeah 390ish [25-Aug-24 04:13 PM] igfloz#0000 If I can offer... I think I used my grant to fill out my Harmonia farm - it was around 400K If I remember correctly. I used some more of the grant to drop a small base on Hephaestus (plus burn mats) [25-Aug-24 04:14 PM] jvaler#0000 oh huh... how did i misremember this so badly {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1277375543561420800/image.png?ex=68148cee&is=68133b6e&hm=873f0c5f59b6a8b4f8204917560f3674d23efef392d2c2ef3ed5253c4796b39d& [25-Aug-24 04:14 PM] archielvahr#0000 And a lot of that chunk is for the CM [25-Aug-24 04:14 PM] archielvahr#0000 and they start with like 3 buildings 🤷‍♂️ [25-Aug-24 04:15 PM] archielvahr#0000 Anyway, not opposed to changing it. Ideally we ahve some sort of idea of "what amount of money hooks them on the game". Somewhere there's a "too much" but I have no idea where that's at. [25-Aug-24 04:15 PM] jvaler#0000 i must have been thinking of deimos 20 SME. weird [25-Aug-24 04:16 PM] sidepipe#0000 For my part, I'm also under 'no strong opinions'. I think more money is more betterer. I think some funding would be better used on other forms of support (like ADI ship kits), but the jump from 750k to 1M doesn't make a huge difference in terms of what money is going where [25-Aug-24 04:16 PM] archielvahr#0000 I feel like having a 2nd planet really opens up the game, so filling their first base and letting their next couple steps on their own be starting the second base is fun for them. {Reactions} 💯 [25-Aug-24 04:17 PM] jvaler#0000 yup, but from what i've seen the 750k just doesn't go far enough to effectively open that up as an option [25-Aug-24 04:17 PM] sidepipe#0000 there is a point where if you give too much cash upfront you have a pile of money that you don't know what to do with - not saying 1M is that point necessarily 😄 [25-Aug-24 04:17 PM] jvaler#0000 1mil would leave players much more comfortable [25-Aug-24 04:18 PM] jvaler#0000 that's why showing a plan is a prerequisite to the grant :P {Reactions} 💯 👍 [25-Aug-24 04:19 PM] archielvahr#0000 2 other thoughts: 1) We'd get a lot more takers if we advertised in the in-game local chats. It also get people to join discord, which some casual joiners don't even know exist. And if they join discord they stick around in ANT longer. 2) I can also just send you cash to distribute because I don't always see grant requests. I did that for Australis and it worked well [25-Aug-24 04:19 PM] sidepipe#0000 at the end of the day, if you think it's the right way forward, I'm not opposed. I haven't even paid a grant in a while 😄 [25-Aug-24 04:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 I could do the same [25-Aug-24 04:22 PM] jvaler#0000 i've got plenty of money myself to hand out grants, so our "first come first serve" system is working out fine for now. but if i run low i'll give you a message {Reactions} 😎 👍 [25-Aug-24 04:22 PM] sidepipe#0000 as long as we still have enough money for the tri-annual ADI coordinator's retreat on Promitor I'm happy 😄 {Reactions} 😁 😆 [25-Aug-24 04:23 PM] jvaler#0000 *ahem* you mean harmonia? [25-Aug-24 04:23 PM] jvaler#0000 sounding a little unpatriotic there [25-Aug-24 04:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeeeees. Harmonia 😁 [25-Aug-24 04:24 PM] jcheung#0000 ...maybe time to start an ADI low interest loan program? 😄 [25-Aug-24 04:24 PM] jvaler#0000 i just might, i get plenty of DMs :P [25-Aug-24 04:24 PM] jvaler#0000 not that i have quite the reserves to be throwing it around like that on a regular basis... [25-Aug-24 04:24 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/RA3X.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/whistle-homer-gif-10351507 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/VvFCEOfCKkUiK9k2GQRT3MVkJ8VL9cAj6uxG3Ms0yDQ/https/media.tenor.com/AA7MO5darloAAAAe/whistle-homer.png {Reactions} 🤐 [25-Aug-24 04:25 PM] jvaler#0000 okay speaking of harmonia i gotta think of what to write in an AGP ad... [25-Aug-24 04:25 PM] sidepipe#0000 i wouldn't be opposed to doing some low-interest loans, as long as they're fairly small [25-Aug-24 04:27 PM] sidepipe#0000 but I don't have nearly as deep pockets as some of the players doing loans regularly, which is why I haven't offered them publicly [25-Aug-24 04:27 PM] jcheung#0000 as a side note, i notice most people do interest and stable... but what about annuity? [25-Aug-24 04:28 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah, what about annuity? [25-Aug-24 04:28 PM] jvaler#0000 (what's annuity) [25-Aug-24 04:29 PM] jcheung#0000 fixed payments [25-Aug-24 04:29 PM] jcheung#0000 also less interest paid in the same time period [25-Aug-24 04:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 12 easy payments of 9.99 a month? [25-Aug-24 04:29 PM] jcheung#0000 basically [25-Aug-24 04:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think it's just not as popular because your individual payments are much larger [25-Aug-24 04:29 PM] jvaler#0000 ah don't you have one of those with me? [25-Aug-24 04:29 PM] jcheung#0000 another benefit is there's no "hill". with stable, the first payment hits like a truck [25-Aug-24 04:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 and the interest difference is very small if your payments are not frequent [25-Aug-24 04:29 PM] jcheung#0000 with interest the last payment hits like a ship [25-Aug-24 04:30 PM] jcheung#0000 technically i suppose [25-Aug-24 04:30 PM] jvaler#0000 replied to the wrong thing, meant to reply to the "fixed payments" [25-Aug-24 04:30 PM] jvaler#0000 cause it's 0 interest lol [25-Aug-24 04:30 PM] jcheung#0000 yes, technically 😛 [25-Aug-24 04:31 PM] jcheung#0000 anyways, this technically isn't true [25-Aug-24 04:31 PM] jcheung#0000 it levelizes the payments so that compared to stable, the end you pay more per payment but at the start you pay less per payment [25-Aug-24 04:32 PM] jcheung#0000 which means that you have less stress up front [25-Aug-24 04:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 Oh annuity is the growing payment? [25-Aug-24 04:32 PM] jcheung#0000 you also pay down your principle faster [25-Aug-24 04:32 PM] jcheung#0000 here, actually let me get some examples set up [25-Aug-24 04:33 PM] jcheung#0000 note that annuity interest amount will change a good bit depending on the % paid [25-Aug-24 04:39 PM] jcheung#0000 these are all 5m at 2% interest with 10 payments. interval isn't a factor. @sidepipe {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1277381917737484400/image.png?ex=681492dd&is=6813415d&hm=0306c78e93b7a382bc71037ee79bd76573e932fa5cca03fb7fa83a9ad427a9e8& [25-Aug-24 04:40 PM] jcheung#0000 errr. wait. oops. far right isn't 10 payments 🤔 why isn't it.... [25-Aug-24 04:41 PM] jcheung#0000 bleh. i guess 10 payments doesn't have as much a range to let me skew things around like 14% did [25-Aug-24 04:41 PM] jcheung#0000 ignore the rightmost one then [25-Aug-24 04:43 PM] jcheung#0000 hmmm. maybe i picked bad numbers for this, let me try with a longer duration. i know i got an annuity loan from someone for lower payments to start than stable [25-Aug-24 04:45 PM] jcheung#0000 aha. yes [25-Aug-24 04:45 PM] jcheung#0000 more payment terms is how i did it [25-Aug-24 04:45 PM] jcheung#0000 let me... [25-Aug-24 04:49 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah I feel like the loan contract template names are dumb because they refer to the repayment of the principal, not of the loan itself (or rather, the payment you end up making) [25-Aug-24 04:51 PM] sidepipe#0000 Hence my confusion on which one is which 😄 [25-Aug-24 04:51 PM] jcheung#0000 okay. so i didn't end up with lower interest than stable in this one but that's fine. think maybe because my loan i was looking at this for was a much larger amount. lower initial payment though, can be achieved {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1277384989822025728/image.png?ex=681495ba&is=6813443a&hm=63cdbc1824c455fc5a07501efdee25c19bf837a78c5293637883ea8df77c6a83& [25-Aug-24 04:52 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1277385016741199953/image.png?ex=681495c0&is=68134440&hm=b3fd1a6f2b39a89eb55dd815d5139337c8b93da23f8f48cdeaafd9a00e79ccfd& [25-Aug-24 04:53 PM] sidepipe#0000 So, all else (interest, number of payments, principal amount) being equal, interest > stable > annuity in terms of how much you end up paying in total [25-Aug-24 04:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 The advantage of an interest loan is that you get to hold onto that principal for longer to do stuff with (so if you’re building a base that costs 5M, you don’t need to borrow like 5.5M upfront to cover that first payment before your base really starts making money) {Reactions} 💯 [25-Aug-24 04:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think people also just avoid the annuity loans because they look confusing 😄 [25-Aug-24 04:57 PM] sidepipe#0000 But if you think of like a student loan or car loan in real life, that’s pretty much an annuity loan in Prun terms, if you’re making the suggested payment [25-Aug-24 05:07 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Yeah, annuity just feels impractical for most loans in Prun unless you're handing out lots of big loans as a banking business or something. That frontloaded interest could help when there's always the chance of some of those borrowers quitting the game. But Interest loans are best here I think. KAWA does a lot of interest loans for new bases, since ROI is usually pretty short, we often set up loans so that *everything* is just due all at once at the end... We also have other loan types we use now for loaning or repaying with materials instead of cash. I really wish the game supported that [25-Aug-24 05:09 PM] jcheung#0000 easy, set up conts with long durations on them, buy at x price for x good, send 20 conts 😄 [25-Aug-24 05:10 PM] jcheung#0000 but yeah... there's a lot of things i wish could happen [25-Aug-24 05:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 I just hope they revamp contracts to act like motions do [25-Aug-24 05:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 Because then we could do exactly that in one contract {Reactions} 💯 [25-Aug-24 05:39 PM] tanda#0000 perhaps loans could be targeted at mid point players rather than early ones? [25-Aug-24 05:39 PM] tanda#0000 cuts down on defaults by a lot [25-Aug-24 05:41 PM] marat_sh#0000 Or loan in two stages [25-Aug-24 05:41 PM] marat_sh#0000 Lend them 500k [25-Aug-24 05:42 PM] marat_sh#0000 Let them return it and lend them the rest [25-Aug-24 05:56 PM] jcheung#0000 ....how about ship grants [25-Aug-24 05:57 PM] jvaler#0000 players that need improved logi don't need grants, they need loans. and i'm already planning to offer loans for the upcoming production project [25-Aug-24 05:57 PM] jcheung#0000 fair [25-Aug-24 05:57 PM] jvaler#0000 sidepipe is as well {Reactions} 👆 [26-Aug-24 05:03 AM] prozer#0000 Actually I was talking to @jvaler about it, I’m interested into joining you at AGP [26-Aug-24 05:31 AM] jvaler#0000 still haven't given me a name to log :P [26-Aug-24 05:32 AM] prozer#0000 @hopeisabanana and @caradan_ both 500k for now [26-Aug-24 05:33 AM] jvaler#0000 gotcha [26-Aug-24 05:34 AM] jvaler#0000 wait "for now"? do you plan on giving more? cause the sheet can't handle that 😬 [26-Aug-24 05:34 AM] jvaler#0000 only 1 entry per person [26-Aug-24 05:35 AM] jvaler#0000 so if you plan on more later tell me the final amount [26-Aug-24 05:36 AM] prozer#0000 Yeah I mean for now, cause apparently this group is 6 ppl, only 2 joinned [26-Aug-24 05:36 AM] jvaler#0000 okay but are they only getting 500k each? or do you plan on more? [26-Aug-24 05:41 AM] prozer#0000 500k each [26-Aug-24 05:41 AM] prozer#0000 Not more [26-Aug-24 05:42 AM] prozer#0000 I think more is not really a good idea, they will not understand the value of such amount if I would gave more [26-Aug-24 05:44 AM] prozer#0000 Ok both 500k got sended [26-Aug-24 05:53 AM] hopeisabanana#0000 Thanks for the help I will begin my second base in Vulcain to produce FE for the faction 🙂 [26-Aug-24 05:54 AM] jvaler#0000 gotcha [26-Aug-24 05:55 AM] jvaler#0000 ... :/ the rest of AGP has decided on a higher number, so while i'll count these donations under the AGP umbrella i'd appreciate it if you don't spread any misconceptions about AGP using this lower number [26-Aug-24 05:56 AM] jvaler#0000 so to be clear if someone comes into the server seeking AGP, or if you advertise in any chats under the AGP name, they get 1mil AIC grants. [26-Aug-24 06:00 AM] prozer#0000 Oh no that’s ok, if you want me to align on any higher number I can do it no problem [26-Aug-24 06:01 AM] prozer#0000 I got 750k from agp when I started and that’s why I said that, I felt I got « too much in one go » but if agp agreed on 1mil then next one will be 1mil [26-Aug-24 12:03 PM] hopeisabanana#0000 Hey, thanks for the help. I taked this money i will see how much i can full a base in Vulcain [26-Aug-24 12:17 PM] laaxus#0000 Don't do my mistake a keep a bit of liquidity [26-Aug-24 12:17 PM] laaxus#0000 To be forced to buy at ask and sell at bid reduce your profits [26-Aug-24 12:30 PM] realmraker#0000 hello [26-Aug-24 12:31 PM] realmraker#0000 want to start an epo base on bober ANT space interested in a grant [26-Aug-24 12:48 PM] marat_sh#0000 Bober is bad for first chem planet just letting you know [26-Aug-24 12:55 PM] jvaler#0000 why bober? [26-Aug-24 12:55 PM] realmraker#0000 close to cx thats it [26-Aug-24 12:57 PM] realmraker#0000 what would you suggest ? [26-Aug-24 12:57 PM] realmraker#0000 i have one on elon as well [26-Aug-24 12:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 Elon is the best [26-Aug-24 12:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 Griffstone or something like that [26-Aug-24 12:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 I don’t remember [26-Aug-24 12:58 PM] jvaler#0000 EPO is quite light on logistics, this is a terrible tradeoff. nearly 1mil AIC in TSH alone {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1277688730072776704/image.png?ex=681507db&is=6813b65b&hm=5b0cf5ba63cc6c7ebfbcbac38bd834546dff9a8f99937814558d71f4b553e6cc& [26-Aug-24 12:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 Being close to CX is not a that bug of a deal with 3-4 jump range [26-Aug-24 12:59 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1277688800696336474/image.png?ex=681507ec&is=6813b66c&hm=63f21094fb9658aa588be0d4e1a68be93e123a3284d87b22b770155ba2c47022& [26-Aug-24 12:59 PM] realmraker#0000 oof ok [26-Aug-24 12:59 PM] realmraker#0000 grifonstone will actully be better [26-Aug-24 01:00 PM] jvaler#0000 it's only ~12hrs to griffonstone [26-Aug-24 01:00 PM] jvaler#0000 that's easy [26-Aug-24 01:01 PM] jvaler#0000 sending u the grant now [26-Aug-24 01:03 PM] realmraker#0000 cool ty [26-Aug-24 01:03 PM] realmraker#0000 also you guys have incresed the grant [26-Aug-24 01:03 PM] realmraker#0000 nice [26-Aug-24 01:03 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah, that just happened today [26-Aug-24 01:03 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm waiting on piboy to fix UFO permissions so i can post an update about it [26-Aug-24 01:04 PM] jvaler#0000 i suppose i can post about it here too [26-Aug-24 01:16 PM] marat_sh#0000 Try to avoid high temperature planets [26-Aug-24 01:17 PM] realmraker#0000 the extra mats make it too expensive right [26-Aug-24 01:20 PM] marat_sh#0000 different materials will be used [26-Aug-24 01:21 PM] marat_sh#0000 some are very expancive [26-Aug-24 01:21 PM] marat_sh#0000 INS is cheaper [26-Aug-24 01:21 PM] marat_sh#0000 so try to use cold planets instead of hot [26-Aug-24 01:21 PM] marat_sh#0000 plus there is a lot of people who make INS here so if you gonna buy in bulk you may get it cheaper then ASK price [26-Aug-24 01:22 PM] jcheung#0000 why is bober bad? [26-Aug-24 01:23 PM] jcheung#0000 oh. tsh. missed that [26-Aug-24 02:58 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 At some point you have to move out of Ant [26-Aug-24 02:58 PM] jcheung#0000 eh [26-Aug-24 02:58 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 There is a limit to the number of good planets [26-Aug-24 02:58 PM] laaxus#0000 at what point ? [26-Aug-24 02:58 PM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0jaVSXb_KPBtHCqAKEx-kOuGUOBGW_b5rNk7_jOlKJs/https/media.tenor.com/LfPfY-g9XTwAAAAe/heresy-detected.png [26-Aug-24 02:58 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 I made the move at 14 bases [26-Aug-24 02:58 PM] jcheung#0000 i don't know, you can do a lot without ever leaving ANT faction space [26-Aug-24 02:58 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 At that point it was better to move a ship to Mor and develop a secondary hub there [26-Aug-24 02:59 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 People used to have to move, out of ANT, when SEA/INS/HSE were in short supply... Things have changed since then. [26-Aug-24 02:59 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 You also get the benefit of access to more CXs [26-Aug-24 03:00 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Now? You have plot-blocked CX planets. You want to move to MOR? Well you only have INS+HSE (Pallada+) to deal with.. Montem, Iiron, Vallis have all been blocked out, unless you want to COLIQ. [26-Aug-24 03:01 PM] laaxus#0000 is it really that bad to build on a non 3 green planet ? [26-Aug-24 03:01 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 red-2 planets --- not that bad. [26-Aug-24 03:01 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 No. But when you want 6-8 chem planet you run out [26-Aug-24 03:02 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Also, if you are building up on loans, capital efficiency is really important [26-Aug-24 03:02 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 And you get a nice benefit of getting involved in other regions [26-Aug-24 03:03 PM] laaxus#0000 but for example, there's is this planet at 1 distance from ant cx Why not just colonise there ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1277720155153105007/image.png?ex=68147c5f&is=68132adf&hm=2e974475de87ecf6cf485a35eca67056ff126edcd9c663b5c06317c776a5bc5b& [26-Aug-24 03:04 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 0 pop [26-Aug-24 03:04 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 You won’t get any workers [26-Aug-24 03:09 PM] laaxus#0000 Can't it grow up ? [26-Aug-24 03:09 PM] jcheung#0000 it could be grown, yes [26-Aug-24 03:10 PM] jcheung#0000 but it costs money [26-Aug-24 03:10 PM] jcheung#0000 and time [26-Aug-24 03:10 PM] laaxus#0000 A new planet so close to the CX would be worthwhile in the long run [26-Aug-24 03:10 PM] laaxus#0000 wasn't there a government that earned so much money that they didn't know what to do with it ? I thought I read that somewhere [26-Aug-24 03:12 PM] laaxus#0000 Seems like something the Antares Initiative would do [26-Aug-24 03:12 PM] jcheung#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1268787191727788193/1277028368348348526 [26-Aug-24 03:13 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Hmm.... [26-Aug-24 03:14 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Well for that planet, you'd be better off just applying for (this is just CHP bases, or more), base SST buildings, + 1-2 warehouses. [26-Aug-24 03:14 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 An ADM is like 1+ mil aready, so you'll eatup the grant money, with no tangible benefit. [26-Aug-24 03:27 PM] archielvahr#0000 It's a high temp planet, so it requires TSH.. and those are pretty expensive that's why no one wants to live there [26-Aug-24 03:28 PM] archielvahr#0000 different red bars have different costs [26-Aug-24 03:29 PM] laaxus#0000 TIL [26-Aug-24 03:29 PM] laaxus#0000 thx [26-Aug-24 03:29 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Ah, right, no COGC there either. [26-Aug-24 03:30 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 it's rather cheap though. Maybe prunplanner projetions would make it viable for someone. [26-Aug-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 bober v2 {Reactions} 🤔 [26-Aug-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 well get the name right this time 🤞 [26-Aug-24 03:43 PM] jcheung#0000 kevin v2 [26-Aug-24 03:44 PM] igfloz#0000 lol, I knew there would be a planet kevin one day 🙂 [28-Aug-24 04:42 PM] dizzplaced#0000 Morning all, looking to either relocate to heph or to build out my BMP base further on Phobos. If I don't relocate then my second base will be on heph. Currently weighing up pros and cons. Id rather keep a good COGI bonus for something more profitable than BMPs but happy for some feedback/thoughts [28-Aug-24 04:42 PM] laaxus#0000 COGI bonus doesn't matter [28-Aug-24 04:43 PM] laaxus#0000 Much better long term to start your bmp base on heipha [28-Aug-24 04:43 PM] laaxus#0000 phobos isn't a good starting base [28-Aug-24 04:43 PM] marat_sh#0000 Relocate your BMPs from Phobos but Keep CM on phobos [28-Aug-24 04:43 PM] marat_sh#0000 later you can build Clean rooms [28-Aug-24 04:43 PM] marat_sh#0000 very good electronics building [28-Aug-24 04:44 PM] dizzplaced#0000 You're suggesting betraying my manufacturing bloodline? [28-Aug-24 04:44 PM] laaxus#0000 I am not convinced on CLR tbh [28-Aug-24 04:45 PM] laaxus#0000 SWF has a good roi but there's close to no demand [28-Aug-24 04:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 CLR will feed into your SCA & MCA [28-Aug-24 04:46 PM] marat_sh#0000 Another manufacturing pure blood? 🫡 [28-Aug-24 04:46 PM] dizzplaced#0000 How many decently populated manuf worlds are there within a jump of ant CX? [28-Aug-24 04:46 PM] marat_sh#0000 4-5 I think [28-Aug-24 04:46 PM] marat_sh#0000 and that's it [28-Aug-24 04:46 PM] razenpok#0000 pls sell into my bid order 🥴 [28-Aug-24 04:46 PM] dizzplaced#0000 Ofc. [28-Aug-24 04:47 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/the-mandalorian-din-djarin-that-makes-two-of-us-you-and-me-both-mandalorian-gif-23421001 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/the-mandalorian-din-djarin-that-makes-two-of-us-you-and-me-both-mandalorian-gif-23421001 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/4SzkU1dJTmFuW4j-KVSZhGLSFq7OSiRFbGFZ5SOY3aQ/https/media.tenor.com/OCJ_jQAfcWcAAAAe/the-mandalorian-din-djarin.png [28-Aug-24 04:48 PM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/three-vrax-number3-third-number-three-gif-23008060 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/three-vrax-number3-third-number-three-gif-23008060 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bzfwXlqIUvczNA4QaoS08wypWe99XJsqOHzNGwzfmiM/https/media.tenor.com/pBwgjA5kFxkAAAAe/three-vrax.png {Reactions} ❤️ [28-Aug-24 04:48 PM] dizzplaced#0000 That's until they implement retooling and I can't switch what I'm making every 12hrs [28-Aug-24 04:49 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1278471446535999552/image.png?ex=68149511&is=68134391&hm=14ba2befa79142c6388488639791fa4c125456467552e10b7f10d46b20e93fa3& [28-Aug-24 04:50 PM] laaxus#0000 but there's also no demand for fan or ROM ? [28-Aug-24 04:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 Problem is that old players have their own production chain (vertical integration) [28-Aug-24 04:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 there is a demand you just need to text people [28-Aug-24 04:52 PM] marat_sh#0000 I really hate the idea of vertical integration [28-Aug-24 04:52 PM] marat_sh#0000 completely defeats the purpose of trading in trading game [28-Aug-24 04:53 PM] dizzplaced#0000 $profit per area - worker upkeep 👑 [28-Aug-24 04:55 PM] laaxus#0000 There's a simple way to fix it : expert should be company wise, not base wise [28-Aug-24 04:55 PM] laaxus#0000 and there you have [28-Aug-24 04:55 PM] laaxus#0000 people forced to specialize and trade [28-Aug-24 04:55 PM] marat_sh#0000 Preach! 👆 [28-Aug-24 04:55 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/amen-anchorman-will-ferrell-gif-10865461 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/amen-anchorman-will-ferrell-gif-10865461 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Qn0cHxcewt77djtwGjjrgG-BUW_sATGry96qHGnYXBU/https/media.tenor.com/gZpu6Unk0DwAAAAe/amen-anchorman.png [28-Aug-24 04:55 PM] laaxus#0000 The issue is that vertical integration will become corporate wise [28-Aug-24 04:56 PM] laaxus#0000 still better [28-Aug-24 04:56 PM] marat_sh#0000 yes but little guys don't benefit from vertical integration [28-Aug-24 04:56 PM] laaxus#0000 Or be like me, create the demand [28-Aug-24 04:57 PM] laaxus#0000 create the market [28-Aug-24 04:57 PM] laaxus#0000 (very risky, done by profesionnals, do not try that at home) [28-Aug-24 04:57 PM] dizzplaced#0000 We could start a trade war with bent? [28-Aug-24 04:58 PM] laaxus#0000 bent ? [28-Aug-24 04:58 PM] dizzplaced#0000 Benton Bentan, potato potado [28-Aug-24 05:09 PM] dizzplaced#0000 Anyways. Would I get approved for AGP while staying on Phobos building BMPs for the nostalgia and building my second on heph in about 2 weeks when I've filled Phobos or would I need to make the 'rational' decision and move straight away? [28-Aug-24 05:10 PM] laaxus#0000 Well you could technically build your bmp on phobos, and salvage them in 90 days instead of repairing them [28-Aug-24 05:10 PM] laaxus#0000 but that would reduce your profit by 25% [28-Aug-24 05:10 PM] laaxus#0000 not recommended [28-Aug-24 05:11 PM] laaxus#0000 Furthermore, after destroying your buildings and building them again on heipha, you'll have to wait another 2 month to get back your 5 experts [28-Aug-24 05:11 PM] laaxus#0000 even less recommended [28-Aug-24 05:11 PM] laaxus#0000 but you do you [28-Aug-24 05:24 PM] jvaler#0000 i'd definitely prefer you spend the money a bit wiser and dump it into heph > phobos, but BMPs are profitable enough on their own that i'm honestly okay with it [28-Aug-24 05:24 PM] jvaler#0000 sending you a cont [28-Aug-24 05:27 PM] laaxus#0000 Manufacturing and Food processing are op right now [28-Aug-24 05:27 PM] laaxus#0000 you can't go wrong with either of them {Reactions} 💯 [28-Aug-24 05:56 PM] dizzplaced#0000 Yea I just did the math of the working capital bonus on heph vs reclaim costs of Phobos and it's no contest really. I did want to keep Phobos out of nostalgia. Maybe I'll do something with it someday. I'll be moving to heph once my current prod run is done [28-Aug-24 05:56 PM] dizzplaced#0000 Cont accepted. Really appreciate it, I'll do y'all proud [28-Aug-24 05:58 PM] jvaler#0000 antares is already proud to have you 🫡 {Reactions} ❤️ (2) [28-Aug-24 06:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/cappys-nft-cappys-cappys-one-of-us-one-of-us-cappys-sei-gif-10943681618443699439 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/cappys-nft-cappys-cappys-one-of-us-one-of-us-cappys-sei-gif-10943681618443699439 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/B6v8PAgfHXj_CnmIeQn1A9yj-easurZsd6ZBnHiHS4Q/https/media.tenor.com/l9_EcypPBO8AAAAe/cappys-nft-cappys.png [05-Sep-24 10:21 AM] getonthetrain#0000 I would like to thank @jvaler and everyone else who has funded the AGP for this. 🥳 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1281273085156393053/image.png?ex=6814e30c&is=6813918c&hm=c3be104f18177ea1283b24e2c8e3a71decddf1b12390c685f5ac4c996779e885& [05-Sep-24 10:43 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sports-sportsmanias-built-different-arm-broken-egg-gif-21241129 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sports-sportsmanias-built-different-arm-broken-egg-gif-21241129 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/CsbBuKaQZomm3xtAHPGxeNay7mbWYS0pK7HL3I6CyEI/https/media.tenor.com/UGURug9mK6QAAAAe/sports-sportsmanias.png [05-Sep-24 10:45 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sml-brooklyn-guy-to-the-printer-printer-printing-gif-24368289 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sml-brooklyn-guy-to-the-printer-printer-printing-gif-24368289 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/hCG1v-XlHlly7RCJ1oWvv22pY3UpGXTggy90M8lyWVs/https/media.tenor.com/YTxgv6BlBncAAAAe/sml-brooklyn-guy.png [05-Sep-24 10:45 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/maxwell-floating-gif-10118186011343519400 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/maxwell-floating-gif-10118186011343519400 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/5Zn03bWv736NPGvNZcIs_0RQ23AlYXC7jld628ciPC4/https/media.tenor.com/jGsEkaF0_qgAAAAe/maxwell-floating.png {Reactions} 😂 [16-Sep-24 06:24 AM] martinswdev#0000 Hello I am planning out a small BER -> BE setup. I see that we mainly use SE-648b as the extractor location. Where is the best place to put the AML ? I already have a base on Deimos with an SME [16-Sep-24 06:27 AM] laaxus#0000 do you know about prunplanner ? [16-Sep-24 06:27 AM] martinswdev#0000 Yes planning it out on that at the moment [16-Sep-24 06:28 AM] laaxus#0000 you should show a screen of your base when you're done planning [16-Sep-24 06:28 AM] laaxus#0000 here's a list of things you should pay attention to : [16-Sep-24 06:28 AM] laaxus#0000 1) How much does the base itself cost 2) How much does 3 days of input goods as buffer cost 3) How hard is shipping the input goods 4) How hard is shipping the ouput goods 5) Is there enough supply for the input goods 6) Is there enough demand for the output goods [16-Sep-24 06:29 AM] laaxus#0000 And most importantly : 7) What is the expected ROI ? [16-Sep-24 06:32 AM] martinswdev#0000 Ok thanks will keep that in mind {Reactions} ✅ [16-Sep-24 09:12 AM] jcheung#0000 i don't think an AML would be a great choice for you starting out [16-Sep-24 09:12 AM] jcheung#0000 it's very, very expensive to build [16-Sep-24 09:13 AM] martinswdev#0000 yeah saw it was like 1.8m haha [16-Sep-24 09:13 AM] laaxus#0000 agree, but that falls under 1) and 7) [16-Sep-24 09:13 AM] martinswdev#0000 Will keep it there for later whilst I look at BFabs [16-Sep-24 09:13 AM] jcheung#0000 actually it falls under "AGP is too small to fund even one" [16-Sep-24 11:19 AM] martinswdev#0000 So looking at setting up on Nike instead with 1 EXT and 8 PP2. 650k build and 200k supplies for 3 days doing just BBH. leaves some room if I need to swap out for a different BFab. 28k profit and 24days ROI https://prunplanner.org/shared/e555b103-4a71-4db9-ba4e-a8c5bb7adfa5 Anything else that needs tweaking ? {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/e555b103-4a71-4db9-ba4e-a8c5bb7adfa5 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [16-Sep-24 11:22 AM] laaxus#0000 Always put number of expert at 3 or 4 [16-Sep-24 11:22 AM] laaxus#0000 you forgot them [16-Sep-24 11:24 AM] laaxus#0000 + you can buy a few materials at cheaper price than market in #internal-offers and #trading [16-Sep-24 11:55 AM] martinswdev#0000 looks like that moved it to 34k and 19days 🙂 yeah will be shopping around for best prices [16-Sep-24 11:56 AM] laaxus#0000 I would also consider producing lfabs and not bfabs as they are more profitable but you do you [16-Sep-24 11:58 AM] martinswdev#0000 yeah I saw that but Tanda was saying they are regularly short bfabs ? Can mix it in a bit I guess depending on whats needed [16-Sep-24 12:00 PM] jcheung#0000 So bfabs have the MM to help keep the price low (ish) [16-Sep-24 12:01 PM] jcheung#0000 Which unfortunately simultaneously drives people away from making them because they're less profitable [16-Sep-24 12:07 PM] razenpok#0000 I think the real reason is different than that {Reactions} 👀 [16-Sep-24 12:08 PM] razenpok#0000 It's probably a money sink the devs added to remove more money from circulation [16-Sep-24 12:08 PM] razenpok#0000 It doesn't really make sense to make it that cheap [16-Sep-24 12:08 PM] jcheung#0000 sure, but it also does artificially lower bfab price and therefore profit margin [16-Sep-24 12:08 PM] razenpok#0000 Fair [16-Sep-24 12:08 PM] jcheung#0000 so it could be both [16-Sep-24 12:09 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/I0sW.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ghhhALYFO66rlEc6wa-LFpk2e6bh-duoFnjsOrYFcmM/https/media.tenor.com/ZjqPAZpKWAUAAAAe/the-road-to-el-dorado-both.png [16-Sep-24 12:09 PM] razenpok#0000 Ah, I was talking mainly about BTA [16-Sep-24 12:09 PM] razenpok#0000 BTA MM is just bullying BTA producers [16-Sep-24 12:10 PM] jcheung#0000 tbh i haven't looked at fab profits fora while now [16-Sep-24 12:10 PM] tanda#0000 BSE is in a much better location right now. BDE isn't worth it and BTA is low volume [16-Sep-24 12:11 PM] tanda#0000 LFABS are good margin but honestly you guys buy me out BFABs on a regular basis [16-Sep-24 12:44 PM] martinswdev#0000 Yeah I will start off with BBH and just adjust as needed 🙂 [16-Sep-24 12:46 PM] akyantor#0000 The bfabs fly off the shelf on the market too at your ask price. At least based upon my recent experience, which isn’t as true for lfabs. [16-Sep-24 12:53 PM] laaxus#0000 He could sell Lfabs at bid price, and have a better ROI than selling bfabs at ask [16-Sep-24 01:13 PM] tanda#0000 I don't have numbers up to talk about this right now, but consistency is key for a second base. LFABs aren't that consistent, even with those bids out there. [16-Sep-24 01:14 PM] laaxus#0000 it's not like he can't switch recipes and start producing Bfabs again if those recipe becomes less profitable [16-Sep-24 01:26 PM] martinswdev#0000 Yeah it looks fine to me, plenty of demand on the bfabs even if margins are bit less [16-Sep-24 01:27 PM] igfloz#0000 B-Fabs will always sell - even if just for repairs [16-Sep-24 01:30 PM] martinswdev#0000 So I need to write up an actual application somewhere ? [16-Sep-24 01:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Nope nothing that formal [16-Sep-24 01:46 PM] getonthetrain#0000 make a plan in prun and talk to jvaler [16-Sep-24 01:46 PM] marat_sh#0000 or any other contributors [16-Sep-24 01:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Is your plan this one? [16-Sep-24 01:47 PM] martinswdev#0000 Ye [16-Sep-24 01:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You're gonna get 1 million AIC. I would use the full 500 area available [16-Sep-24 01:51 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bh9fj.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-one-billion-dollars-haha-money-gif-16679435 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/-UT8fF6STaUVXIFkv6odaoAaKUzdzg8d7cr0-Ng1kkA/https/media.tenor.com/6PFS7ABeJGEAAAAe/dr-evil-one-billion-dollars.png [16-Sep-24 01:52 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/small-loan-donald-trump-1mil-campaign-speech-gif-5037576 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/small-loan-donald-trump-1mil-campaign-speech-gif-5037576 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/14FVJfy8orm_gv9do7xypWGfs_CLK3om8I856mDc4Qw/https/media.tenor.com/ib6vMW0A4aoAAAAe/small-loan-donald-trump.png [16-Sep-24 01:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 If you are really set on extracting LST and having PP2 [16-Sep-24 01:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I would do 2 EXT, 12 PP2, 2 HB1, 1 HB2, 3 HBB, and 3 STO [16-Sep-24 01:53 PM] jcheung#0000 don't forget they need to stock it with that mil too [16-Sep-24 01:54 PM] jcheung#0000 ...and then cover the inevitable goof-up [16-Sep-24 01:54 PM] martinswdev#0000 Only thing was if swap to LFab that supply costs are significantly more [16-Sep-24 01:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you can do that eventually [16-Sep-24 01:55 PM] martinswdev#0000 I looked at the 2EXT and 12 PPT but with LFab went over 1m [16-Sep-24 01:55 PM] martinswdev#0000 Yeah was playing it safe with 150k spare I thought 😂 [16-Sep-24 01:56 PM] martinswdev#0000 I’m happy to donate it back into the pot as income comes in [16-Sep-24 01:58 PM] igfloz#0000 we all think that, lol - but too many things "crop up" lol [16-Sep-24 01:58 PM] jcheung#0000 i forced myself to finally do it [16-Sep-24 01:59 PM] martinswdev#0000 Just got to put away those pennys when income comes in 😅 [16-Sep-24 01:59 PM] jcheung#0000 and i can't keep these darn things in stock [16-Sep-24 02:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 All I'm gonna say is if you use some internal pricing on BFABs and LFABs is that the full 2 EXT and 12 PP2 is very achievable {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1285314363762282546/Screenshot_2024-09-16_115946.png?ex=68151648&is=6813c4c8&hm=5812932d4d031da0ee6f8ed0c588419c2941137461360f92353d21c8c0ed7aef& [16-Sep-24 02:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 The way I've spent my grant: Build with 60% of the budget and bough inputs for 30% The rest went as a back up (with income from new buildings I build the rest of the 500 area) [16-Sep-24 02:02 PM] martinswdev#0000 Yeah I expect that once I get into the flow of things that we can add some more pp2, but might find a pp3 is useful, hard to tell just yet [16-Sep-24 02:03 PM] razenpok#0000 The way I spent my grant: 600k on buildings and 100k on consumables for one day :pepega: {Reactions} 🤣 [16-Sep-24 02:04 PM] razenpok#0000 The first week was hectic [16-Sep-24 02:06 PM] marat_sh#0000 if you are not sure [16-Sep-24 02:06 PM] marat_sh#0000 you can get 1 building [16-Sep-24 02:06 PM] marat_sh#0000 see how it sells [16-Sep-24 02:06 PM] marat_sh#0000 and add more if needed [16-Sep-24 02:07 PM] laaxus#0000 Exact same [16-Sep-24 02:07 PM] laaxus#0000 😭 [16-Sep-24 02:10 PM] razenpok#0000 Manufacturing gang here [16-Sep-24 02:10 PM] martinswdev#0000 Oh I’m sure it will sell, it’s more will I screw something up and will it be worth adding something complementary there in addition or just maxing out the pp2 haha just trying to be cautious about going up to the limit straight away [16-Sep-24 02:11 PM] marat_sh#0000 small steps [16-Sep-24 02:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well PP2 inputs are arguably pretty cheap compared to say like PP3 or PP4 or not absurdly heavy like PP1 [16-Sep-24 02:11 PM] marat_sh#0000 upgrade if you feel you can handle it [16-Sep-24 02:11 PM] marat_sh#0000 test waters first [16-Sep-24 02:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You could add WEL and make TRU or MHL {Reactions} truss [16-Sep-24 02:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but according to my calculations you should be able to get the full 500 filled out for about 600k leaving you with 400k for inputs [16-Sep-24 02:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just some food for thought [16-Sep-24 02:15 PM] martinswdev#0000 Does the WEL get bonus from construction too ? That might be a good move regardless [16-Sep-24 02:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes it does [16-Sep-24 02:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1285318190099992667/Screenshot_2024-09-16_121528.png?ex=681519d8&is=6813c858&hm=65a14f746c5dd205234ee7e1c88737400e705aa7b3efb3f95aad633da6f355c3& [16-Sep-24 02:17 PM] marat_sh#0000 ~~oh GL will probably be in the demand soon with gate projects~~ wrong chat 😅 [16-Sep-24 02:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but thats metalurgy [16-Sep-24 02:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh you can import CX settings into PrUn Planner [16-Sep-24 02:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Location;Type;CX;Ticker;Price ZV-194a;BUY;;BBH;1500 ZV-194a;BUY;;BSE;1000 ZV-194a;BUY;;BTA;1000 ZV-194a;BUY;;BDE;1400 ZV-194a;BUY;;LTA;2500 ZV-194a;BUY;;LBH;1700 ZV-194a;BUY;;LDE;5500 ZV-194a;BUY;;LSE;4000 ZV-194a;BUY;;TRU;200 ZV-194a;BUY;;MCG;0 [16-Sep-24 02:30 PM] tanda#0000 Speaking from ongoing personal experience, don't do a full WEL base. Nothing but TRU moves fast enough out of it [16-Sep-24 02:45 PM] martinswdev#0000 Have update it to have 3 STO and 1 WEL. Leaves room for 2-3 extra PP2 and a PP3 if needed (with the extra /optimised infrastructure) [16-Sep-24 02:45 PM] laaxus#0000 3 STO seems A LOT [16-Sep-24 02:45 PM] laaxus#0000 1 STO is good [16-Sep-24 02:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well AL and LST is HEAVY [16-Sep-24 02:46 PM] laaxus#0000 it would be better to rent 4 warehouse and have one more revenue making building [16-Sep-24 02:47 PM] martinswdev#0000 I can drop it down to 1 for now, can sort that if it becomes a problem I guess [16-Sep-24 02:47 PM] laaxus#0000 start with 1, rent 4 warehouse and then see if you need more sto [16-Sep-24 02:47 PM] igfloz#0000 Personally, I'd go for 2 STO and whatever WH you need. If you want to ever stock 10day (?) stocks, 2 STO will help you [16-Sep-24 02:48 PM] igfloz#0000 LST is huge [16-Sep-24 02:48 PM] laaxus#0000 I'd be OK with 2 [16-Sep-24 02:48 PM] laaxus#0000 but 3 seems too much [16-Sep-24 02:53 PM] martinswdev#0000 2 STO with optimise infrastrucutre, 2 EXT, 1 WEL and 12 PP2 comes to exectly 500 [16-Sep-24 02:54 PM] martinswdev#0000 Have updated a reduced version of that so cost is around 750k for buildings https://prunplanner.org/shared/e555b103-4a71-4db9-ba4e-a8c5bb7adfa5 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/e555b103-4a71-4db9-ba4e-a8c5bb7adfa5 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [16-Sep-24 02:55 PM] marat_sh#0000 I've got MCG cheaper then CX [16-Sep-24 02:55 PM] igfloz#0000 Make sure you have enough habitat for workers too 🙂 [16-Sep-24 02:56 PM] martinswdev#0000 Yeah 2 HB1 and 3 HBB, so wil need another HBB for 4 more PP2 later on [16-Sep-24 02:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ok still shouldn't cost 750k tho Input these numbers into your PrUn Planner CX settings https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1254643011980234863/1285318800685928508 [16-Sep-24 02:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 thats how much you can buy BFABs and LFABs for from other people here [16-Sep-24 02:59 PM] martinswdev#0000 ok yeah I put those ones above in and it saying 466k for buildings, so maybe I can get those other 4 pp2 [16-Sep-24 02:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 up to you [16-Sep-24 03:11 PM] martinswdev#0000 Ye will do that, now we wait for the :turtle_money: [16-Sep-24 03:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 shh nothing happened here [16-Sep-24 03:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 I mean If you have go for it 😅 I've just pointed out that they can buy from internal market and not from cx [16-Sep-24 03:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 you give it for free? [16-Sep-24 03:23 PM] marat_sh#0000 If yes, I can also give like 10 REP and 40 EXO for free as a welcome gift 😅 [16-Sep-24 03:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh [16-Sep-24 03:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i replied to wrong person some how lmao [16-Sep-24 03:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I could do it... but idk if I'm allowed? [16-Sep-24 03:35 PM] laaxus#0000 I mean, nobody can stop you ? [16-Sep-24 03:35 PM] laaxus#0000 the AGP is about generosity, I don't think there's any restriction [16-Sep-24 03:35 PM] laaxus#0000 as long as you think the money would be well spent, you do as you want ? [16-Sep-24 03:36 PM] laaxus#0000 That's how I underrstood it [16-Sep-24 03:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Don't wanna step on toes xD [16-Sep-24 03:36 PM] laaxus#0000 it's not like jvaler is earning profit from those {Reactions} 🤷‍♂️ [16-Sep-24 03:40 PM] martinswdev#0000 I have no idea how the logistics of 💰 work, I assumed it was sat in a big pot for this program [16-Sep-24 03:41 PM] razenpok#0000 ~~jvaler is farming jvaler points~~ [16-Sep-24 03:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 > Determining who pays out grants is currently done randomly based on whoever volunteers first [16-Sep-24 03:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well then I guess I volunteer xD [16-Sep-24 03:43 PM] martinswdev#0000 Interesting, are there not like corp bank accounts ? [16-Sep-24 03:43 PM] marat_sh#0000 No, it's people's personal funds {Reactions} 👆 [16-Sep-24 03:43 PM] martinswdev#0000 https://tenor.com/view/i-volunteer-tribute-hunger-games-gif-15058425 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/i-volunteer-tribute-hunger-games-gif-15058425 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2EoGZjjnyBGncgOEURW2GjdDLCdNtvvtK5SrNTcUioA/https/media.tenor.com/8lBwt31zKXMAAAAe/i-volunteer-tribute.png [16-Sep-24 03:43 PM] marat_sh#0000 Go for it 🫡 Get your name on the list soldier [16-Sep-24 03:45 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll definitly give a few of those later on (*Once my loans are paid*) [16-Sep-24 03:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well its in your CONTs ready when ever you are [16-Sep-24 03:47 PM] martinswdev#0000 https://tenor.com/view/hal9000-gif-22241038 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/hal9000-gif-22241038 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/WkA2uUEzHTNsTBDGz9IoWZEAohtrkbj9nd2kFgMxoNA/https/media.tenor.com/ebjGGkixQJ8AAAAe/hal9000.png [16-Sep-24 03:47 PM] martinswdev#0000 Weird the sound effect didnt go off that time, Thank You [16-Sep-24 03:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 wow look its even official in the sheet 😄 [16-Sep-24 03:52 PM] igfloz#0000 Well done @.urpalhal - It looks like you are gonna end up the next one being yellow 😄 [16-Sep-24 03:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 NAR I am pink xD [16-Sep-24 03:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yellow means responsibility. Pink means fun {Reactions} 👆 [16-Sep-24 03:53 PM] igfloz#0000 I mean, generally, I think it's the coordinators that do the grants, ya moneybags !! 😄 [16-Sep-24 03:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 D: [16-Sep-24 03:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you're right they are all yellow (or red) [16-Sep-24 03:54 PM] igfloz#0000 told ya, wait for the "welcome victim" message from @javaler lol [16-Sep-24 03:55 PM] laaxus#0000 pink is below yellow so if you get that role, you'd be yellow [16-Sep-24 03:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 Wait, does this mean I can make @.urpalhal a coordinator now? 😄 [16-Sep-24 03:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 NOOOO [16-Sep-24 03:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 *i know* [16-Sep-24 03:56 PM] laaxus#0000 I just wanted to remind you, in case you forgot [16-Sep-24 03:56 PM] igfloz#0000 From what I have seen in this server, I think It's in the roolz !! [16-Sep-24 03:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 *looks at evayoo* [16-Sep-24 03:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :ShotoBonk: no touchy me and my color [16-Sep-24 03:57 PM] sidepipe#0000 I don’t think you’re technically required to be a coordinator to donate - anyone can do it, and I don’t know if there’s any rules around the coordinator role either. That’s up to Jvaler 😄 [16-Sep-24 03:57 PM] igfloz#0000 oh, booo ! I was looking to mess up Hal's life just a little (I'm joking) 😛 [16-Sep-24 03:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 But welcome to the ranks of the donors - it is an elite group of high-quality (and net-worth) individuals {Reactions} 👆 [16-Sep-24 03:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 And I think you’re the second person who got a grant and then donated a grant so far 🙂 [16-Sep-24 03:58 PM] laaxus#0000 jvalier to hal in 4h : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1285344187528773796/image.png?ex=6814894e&is=681337ce&hm=b5b84743a2bcd9aac4b07274ccab64d3d6bdea81632ab0b7aafc566821c83251& [16-Sep-24 03:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 If memory serves correctly [16-Sep-24 03:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lookie at me :AnyaYay: :RSNezukoYay: :RSCutePandaYay: [16-Sep-24 04:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 Anyway - as a coordinator, I’m in favor of giving Hal as much responsibility as humanly possible [16-Sep-24 04:00 PM] razenpok#0000 Third I think [16-Sep-24 04:00 PM] razenpok#0000 FUC_Prozer was the second one [16-Sep-24 04:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 Ah, right! Memory does not serve 😄 [16-Sep-24 04:02 PM] razenpok#0000 Wait, is this all just a very elaborate circus about taking a bribe to make Hal a coordinator? :ThinkEyes: [16-Sep-24 04:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 What? Nooooo. I’ve never made any deals with Hal in my life. Hardly even know the guy [16-Sep-24 04:03 PM] igfloz#0000 ROFL, that would be hilarious !! [16-Sep-24 04:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have nothing to contribute [16-Sep-24 04:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 just salt [16-Sep-24 04:04 PM] laaxus#0000 the ADI Grant Program might be the first reverse pyramid scheme ever {Reactions} 🤣 (3) 🔻 [16-Sep-24 04:04 PM] razenpok#0000 I wonder what lowstrife has to say about it [16-Sep-24 04:08 PM] sidepipe#0000 Honestly, I think the whole business case part of the grant can help newer players get comfortable taking a loan [16-Sep-24 04:08 PM] sidepipe#0000 Since you get to practice designing a profitable base in a (hopefully) low-stakes environment [16-Sep-24 04:10 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/try-it-youll-like-it-yumm-delicious-yummy-gif-22699989 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/try-it-youll-like-it-yumm-delicious-yummy-gif-22699989 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/mHnk3B3Vwzxv4c-t7CxkGZpb67KhghIgr-P3xCQ6hzA/https/media.tenor.com/gCK--MkaZ6YAAAAe/try-it-youll-like-it.png [16-Sep-24 04:10 PM] igfloz#0000 https://tenor.com/view/pills-drugs-medicine-blue-pill-red-pill-gif-12463860 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/pills-drugs-medicine-blue-pill-red-pill-gif-12463860 Лекарства Пилюли Синяя Красная Матрица https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/zjvYq03Xu1n4sk-IyxFfVPtyLt3GPLR9Gzd1kVLe8V0/https/media.tenor.com/5NU8u6qKF_AAAAAe/pills-drugs.png [16-Sep-24 04:12 PM] razenpok#0000 This was my loan from lowstrife when I was planning my second base after Promitor :kekw: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1285347674014613637/image.png?ex=68148c8e&is=68133b0e&hm=5c65efa16961d89754795bbdc25a22cdf56ae5fa7ef736a1a657973869483bf5& {Reactions} 🧠 (3) 🙈 (2) [16-Sep-24 04:13 PM] laaxus#0000 what's your equity now after 90 days ? [16-Sep-24 04:13 PM] razenpok#0000 It's 101 days now, 33m {Reactions} 📈 (2) [16-Sep-24 04:13 PM] laaxus#0000 congrats {Reactions} blobthanks [16-Sep-24 08:45 PM] jvaler#0000 @.urpalhal welcome, victim. 😼 [16-Sep-24 08:45 PM] jvaler#0000 btw are u meming or do you actually not want coordinator role? [16-Sep-24 08:47 PM] jvaler#0000 also thx for handling putting it in the sheet for me =P [16-Sep-24 09:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean if all I’m doing is handing out money I don’t really feel like I need the role 👀 [16-Sep-24 09:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Up to you tho [16-Sep-24 09:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ofc 😊 [16-Sep-24 09:14 PM] jvaler#0000 well it's just the role definition, you technically help coordinate a project now so [16-Sep-24 09:15 PM] jvaler#0000 do you plan on contributing more in the future? i can add your name to #agp-information [16-Sep-24 09:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah i do intend on donating more [16-Sep-24 09:15 PM] jvaler#0000 alr [16-Sep-24 09:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I'm yeller now D: [16-Sep-24 09:15 PM] jvaler#0000 you still get the gem on the side at least [16-Sep-24 09:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 true [16-Sep-24 09:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :3 [17-Sep-24 01:46 AM] realharvey#0000 did I get this right, that you can buy yellow for 1m AIC? [17-Sep-24 01:56 AM] jvaler#0000 uhhhhhh [17-Sep-24 01:57 AM] jvaler#0000 i suppose so yeah..... [17-Sep-24 01:57 AM] jvaler#0000 how about this, just pinky promise that you continue to contribute :P [17-Sep-24 02:05 AM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/i-promise-you-promise-swear-curse-take-an-oath-gif-15760964 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/i-promise-you-promise-swear-curse-take-an-oath-gif-15760964 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/TJgRv3STuE9zPE4uqHYWhovuu8i-9XH4zwzXMb673go/https/media.tenor.com/_pm_2Apx3GAAAAAe/i-promise-you-promise.png [17-Sep-24 08:43 AM] manhim#0000 Phase 1 is all up and running @jvaler 🙂 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1285596879102673108/image.png?ex=6814cbe5&is=68137a65&hm=b5b5fc0bc4a17750b744f995b709f2789b22366026785080951c6d96a1ca7c78& {Reactions} 🎉 [17-Sep-24 09:36 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 I really wish there was a better way to calculate equity… [17-Sep-24 09:36 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 My HQ upgrades and ships are gone into the void [17-Sep-24 09:37 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 On paper my equity is 15 mil but Im a bit competitive and I’d really like to know what my « score » is [17-Sep-24 09:37 AM] razenpok#0000 Technically, HQ upgrades and ships cannot be considered equity, as they cannot be liquidated [17-Sep-24 09:37 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Just ships I have spent 30mil [17-Sep-24 09:37 AM] razenpok#0000 If we talk in a classic definition of equity [17-Sep-24 09:39 AM] laaxus#0000 Players should be able to sell ships tbh [17-Sep-24 09:39 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 I’d say it’s still an asset and should be accounted as such [17-Sep-24 09:39 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Even is its illiquid [17-Sep-24 09:40 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 91 days… already 3 months [17-Sep-24 09:40 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Time flies [17-Sep-24 09:42 AM] laaxus#0000 You only have 15m worth of base ? [17-Sep-24 09:42 AM] laaxus#0000 Thought you would have more [17-Sep-24 09:44 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Well I have 7 ships and HQ 21 [17-Sep-24 09:44 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 All that is losses as far as equity is concerned [17-Sep-24 09:46 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 But my equity is fucked as well since it factors in all the interest I will have to pay on the deposits of Shrewdbank [17-Sep-24 09:46 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 With 250 mil in deposits that about 50mil in costs accounted as of now even if its going to be paid over the next 10 weeks [17-Sep-24 09:48 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 My real equity is I think between 60 and 80 mil I’d wager [17-Sep-24 09:53 AM] marat_sh#0000 Damn that’s definitely a boost 😅 I am sitting at 5m (2 months) [17-Sep-24 09:54 AM] marat_sh#0000 But I assume the game will slow down quite a bit with more HQ upgrades [17-Sep-24 10:05 AM] realharvey#0000 It also slows down if you sell more and more at internal less profitable prices [17-Sep-24 10:05 AM] realharvey#0000 And if you need more ships [17-Sep-24 10:08 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah - I think part of the reason my equity has been level instead of increasing the past few weeks is because I haven’t built any bases and sell a ton at internal prices 😄 [17-Sep-24 10:11 AM] realharvey#0000 We distribute our equity into freshfolk :D [17-Sep-24 10:16 AM] sidepipe#0000 A rising tide lifts all boats or something like that 😁 [17-Sep-24 10:18 AM] manhim#0000 https://tenor.com/view/aye-aye-aye-captain-yes-salute-jack-black-gif-4531398 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/aye-aye-aye-captain-yes-salute-jack-black-gif-4531398 Aye Aye Captain! https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/_LaRkhDHlrDxmFYpfNFbk66hU1yZsQq7jnAKVd7xDIg/https/media.tenor.com/r2JuePB-QE4AAAAe/aye-aye-aye-captain.png [19-Sep-24 02:58 AM] .nvf#0000 So, my theory is. [19-Sep-24 02:58 AM] .nvf#0000 The only difference between extracting my own aluminium ore and buying it from the exchange [19-Sep-24 02:59 AM] .nvf#0000 is the price difference between the orders, and the shipping cost [19-Sep-24 02:59 AM] .nvf#0000 if I eat that, then I save on space, I can have way more smelters to benefit from Deimos' bonus [19-Sep-24 02:59 AM] jvaler#0000 100% correct [19-Sep-24 02:59 AM] .nvf#0000 Excellent [19-Sep-24 03:00 AM] .nvf#0000 And if I stay flexible, I don't need to worry if the aluminium market crashes, I can just smelt something else [19-Sep-24 03:00 AM] laaxus#0000 Yeah Imagine you sell you AL at ASK price Then you buy that same AL at ask price No difference [19-Sep-24 03:00 AM] .nvf#0000 Yeah! Capitalism! [19-Sep-24 03:00 AM] laaxus#0000 so when you're considering producing your own input goods, you should look at "does producing this good at ask price looks profitable" [19-Sep-24 03:01 AM] .nvf#0000 I discovered this revelation from playing Vic3. Why bother digging up my own iron when I'm already a member of a market that has a shitload of iron. I might as well use that iron to make something better and sell that" [19-Sep-24 03:01 AM] jvaler#0000 an alarming number of players don't get this, so i'm tempted to just go ahead and send you the grant just because you do lmfao [19-Sep-24 03:01 AM] .nvf#0000 ahahah [19-Sep-24 03:01 AM] .nvf#0000 I've reset twice already, first time was because I picked manufacturing then wanted to do fuel. Second time was because fuel had an absolute garbage return [19-Sep-24 03:02 AM] laaxus#0000 (please do a plan on prunplanner just in case tho) [19-Sep-24 03:02 AM] jvaler#0000 sounds like the plan is just gonna be 20 SME [19-Sep-24 03:02 AM] laaxus#0000 which isn't a bad plan [19-Sep-24 03:02 AM] jvaler#0000 yup [19-Sep-24 03:02 AM] .nvf#0000 I couldn't figure out prunplanner, so I messed around with the excel one on the apex resources thing [19-Sep-24 03:02 AM] .nvf#0000 then when I couldn't update the pricing on that because I use opera not chrome, I made my own [19-Sep-24 03:02 AM] laaxus#0000 you should try to figure out prunplanner [19-Sep-24 03:02 AM] laaxus#0000 it's worth it [19-Sep-24 03:02 AM] laaxus#0000 what do you do not understand [19-Sep-24 03:03 AM] jvaler#0000 those work too, i'm just sketched out by their jank sometimes [19-Sep-24 03:03 AM] .nvf#0000 It was asking for things I didn't understand how to provide [19-Sep-24 03:04 AM] jvaler#0000 yeah you basically gotta reverse engineer the sheet to understand how it works lmfao [19-Sep-24 03:04 AM] jvaler#0000 whereas with prunplanner [19-Sep-24 03:04 AM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Pf5l6AhWO7JdN3O5wfSp_j_MaYQLmYDmiJCr85CwjJU/https/media.tenor.com/rkI1a8s2Z6QAAAAe/todd-howard-it-just-works.png [19-Sep-24 03:04 AM] .nvf#0000 for now I just manually input all the prices in to my spreadsheet, and it calculates all the recipes for me [19-Sep-24 03:05 AM] laaxus#0000 PLEASE DONT XD [19-Sep-24 03:05 AM] laaxus#0000 at least use importdata for the prices [19-Sep-24 03:05 AM] .nvf#0000 I have no idea how to do that [19-Sep-24 03:05 AM] laaxus#0000 what language do you speak ? [19-Sep-24 03:05 AM] .nvf#0000 I'm only collecting the ore, metal, and a few random other things, it takes like two minutes [19-Sep-24 03:06 AM] .nvf#0000 Just this one [19-Sep-24 03:06 AM] jvaler#0000 `=IMPORTDATA("https://rest.fnar.net/csv/prices")` [19-Sep-24 03:06 AM] laaxus#0000 want a quick discord call on how to use prunplanner ? [19-Sep-24 03:06 AM] .nvf#0000 oh good lord [19-Sep-24 03:07 AM] .nvf#0000 When does this update? [19-Sep-24 03:07 AM] laaxus#0000 every 5m or so [19-Sep-24 03:07 AM] .nvf#0000 I'm not really a call kinda person [19-Sep-24 03:07 AM] .nvf#0000 Oh damn, nice, okay, thankyou! [19-Sep-24 03:07 AM] laaxus#0000 https://youtu.be/Vi-i6rLZMaQ {Embed} Lord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-i6rLZMaQ How to use Prunplanner for Prosperous Universe Hopefully this video helps you understand how to set up Prunplanner, if you have any questions please leave them below --Links-- The official Prosp discord https://discord.gg/YkwpJ2hdDE Link to Prunplanner https://prunplanner.org/ Background audio used https://youtu.be/EM5KwkTQzsE Ending music from Sweet Cafe https://youtu.be/6DhONAQfEVg https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DSq6GXwpy1FwDBpBlIBMy2TpSSXULzOp4ckXQXPKUp0/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/Vi-i6rLZMaQ/maxresdefault.jpg [19-Sep-24 03:08 AM] .nvf#0000 oh lord this is every market [19-Sep-24 03:08 AM] .nvf#0000 this is amazing [19-Sep-24 03:09 AM] jvaler#0000 there's other useful endpoints too https://doc.fnar.net/#/csv and https://api.fnar.net/index.html api.fnar.net is the newer WIP one being made so there may be some bugs [19-Sep-24 03:11 AM] jvaler#0000 some of them may require your FIO api key, but those are the most useful ones imo {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286238266252722186/image.png?ex=68147e3b&is=68132cbb&hm=564dcbac9ae005fc290992ae4d78f30d440c57014b696723c07e48d60541cf64& [19-Sep-24 03:14 AM] .nvf#0000 I think that's what I didn't know how to get [19-Sep-24 03:21 AM] .nvf#0000 So, not quite. I'm gonna have a few oxygen collectors, just to save on shipping [19-Sep-24 03:22 AM] .nvf#0000 and either stockpile it for when I need it, or sell it off in bulk on the LM [19-Sep-24 03:27 AM] jvaler#0000 go to your settings on the FIO website [19-Sep-24 03:27 AM] jvaler#0000 understandable [19-Sep-24 03:27 AM] .nvf#0000 I don't know what FIO is [19-Sep-24 03:27 AM] jvaler#0000 ohhh [19-Sep-24 03:28 AM] .nvf#0000 Does that explain why I'm struggling [19-Sep-24 03:28 AM] jvaler#0000 https://fio.fnar.net/ [19-Sep-24 03:28 AM] jvaler#0000 it's a plugin that collects data for you [19-Sep-24 04:36 AM] jcheung#0000 Iron is a pain in the ass to haul. Shit's heavy [19-Sep-24 04:37 AM] jcheung#0000 O on deimos? [19-Sep-24 04:37 AM] jcheung#0000 Eh... if you're going to do that, produce only enough for yourself, maybe a little less [19-Sep-24 04:38 AM] .nvf#0000 I was talking about in Victoria3, hauling doesn't exist in that game [19-Sep-24 04:39 AM] jcheung#0000 Yes, but i was saying iron here sucks to move [19-Sep-24 04:39 AM] .nvf#0000 fair... maybe I'll run in to throughput issues when i build 30 smelters, but that's an issue for another day [19-Sep-24 05:36 AM] jvaler#0000 @.nvf imma go ahead and send u the grant cont [19-Sep-24 05:36 AM] .nvf#0000 Ooh, thanks! [19-Sep-24 07:49 AM] firemonkeh#0000 Hey guys, I'm new to PrUn the past couple days and I've come cap-in-hand 😛. I started as a Manufacturer and selected by the CX on Phobos (by accident but I see that as very good now) and I came up with a plan to basically build like 10 basic factories (BMP) and churn out mostly PE as it has the volume to support me scaling it and I can get the ingredients at a good price, plus I can do small amounts of the other items to be safe. I looked at that Prunplanner linked above(which is amazing btw) and can see that this would work though I also need more habs for people and it's around 400k to build which, unless I am mistaken, at my current rate will take literally weeks of low margin trades, occasionally moving small quantities of goods on slow boat shipments to manage fuel costs. I will probably push through that as best I can and it's good to get an idea of where the main costs are, but I know the daily upkeep and fuel are going to slow down my growth. It seems Phobos has a bonus for electronics I think? So it might make sense to branch into that after this is going but I'd want to get a basic thing going and play with some base/production plans. I did a lot of station trading in EVE and I can see some decent options for that as well which is cool. So yeah, if someone wouldn't mind sanity checking me I'd appreciate it, thanks! Also happy to just chat about other stuff Prun too, seems there is a lot of depth to the game and others to learn from. [19-Sep-24 08:41 AM] farnite#0000 What do you guys think about adding another fuel refiner? I'm thinking about adding a base to do just FF supply, importing everything from cx. It's kind of expensive from a daily supply perspective, but FF has been on a tear and it feels like supply issues. Would need some funding and happy to talk details - I'm finally around a couple of weeks in the game and feeling more confident about what I am doing. ps prunplanner is awesome [19-Sep-24 08:50 AM] jvaler#0000 ngl phobos sucks as a planet for new players. proximity to CX doesn't matter when you're not constrained by logistics, and it's CoGC bonus is utterly useless to new players. have you looked into moving over to hephaestus? it's just as close to the CX but has a manufacturing CoGC [19-Sep-24 08:51 AM] jvaler#0000 fuel has definitely been rising in price, so if the numbers work out favorably i don't see why not [19-Sep-24 08:52 AM] farnite#0000 Here is what I was thinking: https://prunplanner.org/shared/60858ef5-9ec6-4848-8648-30274712c1be - starting smaller with 5 refineries to make sure the market can absorb the additional supply. I would plan to increase further from my own funds down the road sometime. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/60858ef5-9ec6-4848-8648-30274712c1be PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [19-Sep-24 08:55 AM] jvaler#0000 i wouldn't worry about flooding the fuel markets lol, look at the 7d traded {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286324790520713356/image.png?ex=6814ced0&is=68137d50&hm=9addf050cb6d7d0d0f54a5590511e666be57d039991f0f2d2808eda06e947cdc& [19-Sep-24 08:56 AM] farnite#0000 Yeah true lol, maybe I am being overly cautious [19-Sep-24 08:58 AM] jvaler#0000 you have corp HQ marked on this, you plan on making one? [19-Sep-24 08:59 AM] jvaler#0000 the numbers look great for this though, so i'll go ahead and send you a cont for the grant {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286325862832148493/image.png?ex=6814cfd0&is=68137e50&hm=db1f325a0b028fdc7b48157fab4bf6393c6448664e38ec083a92a7783d190d56& [19-Sep-24 08:59 AM] farnite#0000 So right now my corp hq is on harmonia where I'm doing RAT farming [19-Sep-24 09:00 AM] farnite#0000 Which is not really very valuable, this would be much mor evaluable so I'd transfer it I think [19-Sep-24 09:00 AM] jvaler#0000 nono that's your company HQ [19-Sep-24 09:00 AM] jvaler#0000 corp HQ is different [19-Sep-24 09:00 AM] farnite#0000 Oh really? [19-Sep-24 09:01 AM] jvaler#0000 yeah, corps are the ingame player groups you can make, and the corp HQ is something you construct within them {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286326254739656837/image.png?ex=6814d02d&is=68137ead&hm=3174b962073d5b4c38fe70f9698fcb18a1c6b60bc71f510b034e7aa306d92240& [19-Sep-24 09:01 AM] jvaler#0000 it's one of the only functionalities of corps in the game atm lol [19-Sep-24 09:02 AM] farnite#0000 That is interesting, okay cool [19-Sep-24 09:02 AM] farnite#0000 Even without that bonus it's still a good investment though on the ff plan [19-Sep-24 09:03 AM] jvaler#0000 yeah the screenshot i took was without it {Reactions} 👍 [19-Sep-24 09:03 AM] jvaler#0000 11d ROI is great [19-Sep-24 09:03 AM] jvaler#0000 err wait, forgot to include CM [19-Sep-24 09:03 AM] jvaler#0000 13d with CM [19-Sep-24 09:03 AM] jvaler#0000 still great [19-Sep-24 09:04 AM] sidepipe#0000 Was looking over it - note you’ve got a lot of volume import for the base. Should be okay with your two starter ships, but they might be quite busy [19-Sep-24 09:04 AM] farnite#0000 Yup agreed, will require a lot of shipping, and maybe a ship upgrade at some point [19-Sep-24 09:06 AM] firemonkeh#0000 Interesting, yeah that sounds like a very good idea, I'm gonna move myself to start over there. Thanks! [19-Sep-24 10:12 AM] firemonkeh#0000 Is this reasonable? https://prunplanner.org/shared/69495488-e504-4a30-888b-94a87d005609 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/69495488-e504-4a30-888b-94a87d005609 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [19-Sep-24 10:14 AM] firemonkeh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286344555305893929/image.png?ex=6814e139&is=68138fb9&hm=07b506adb107fc77d2c332fd575bcf5cffa476f1cf2d8cbe12f323ec7600ba22& [19-Sep-24 10:24 AM] jvaler#0000 yup! [19-Sep-24 10:24 AM] jvaler#0000 sending u a grant cont [19-Sep-24 10:27 AM] jvaler#0000 oh wait... @.nvf @firemonkeh both of you are on a free license 😬 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286347939781808149/image.png?ex=6814e460&is=681392e0&hm=63ba8665e34ce4c33b84d4f9ef1dd3c15f1bbc572e272dc8385b159954490409& [19-Sep-24 10:27 AM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286347945855156264/image.png?ex=6814e461&is=681392e1&hm=c2628f5e35fa299e8b38bea8425be14e8b51723d7b0535bd3ad7118345aa5193& [19-Sep-24 10:30 AM] .nvf#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286348597243416671/image.png?ex=6814e4fc&is=6813937c&hm=7723ae8c8744a2b72cf5b9ebf70fdfc6d90a3843730d1424ef232cb53d2d44a0& [19-Sep-24 10:30 AM] .nvf#0000 My bad, this is me. [19-Sep-24 10:30 AM] .nvf#0000 How do I delete that old account? [19-Sep-24 10:35 AM] jvaler#0000 you need to contact molp, multi accounting is bannable so get ahead of it before they notice [19-Sep-24 10:35 AM] jvaler#0000 i've seen multiple cases of this so you'll be fine tho [19-Sep-24 10:35 AM] .nvf#0000 On it [19-Sep-24 10:35 AM] jvaler#0000 alr lemme change your nickname then [19-Sep-24 10:36 AM] .nvf#0000 Ah, thanks [19-Sep-24 10:36 AM] jvaler#0000 and i'll resend that cont [19-Sep-24 10:37 AM] firemonkeh#0000 Ah sorry my bad, I'm on a pro license now. [19-Sep-24 10:37 AM] jvaler#0000 does my cont show up or do i need to resend? [19-Sep-24 10:38 AM] .nvf#0000 God damn... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286350642578980915/image.png?ex=6814e6e4&is=68139564&hm=0eb1ab3ba06b2fd8849280b8259aaab376d2f45999c9e3113b6905e545e0c694& [19-Sep-24 10:38 AM] .nvf#0000 https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-money-chappelle-king-cash-gif-16804239 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-money-chappelle-king-cash-gif-16804239 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/PuNz-Y-qIYwmyDqJzEz87g1VIt3Kv6n5YKwivOTkZ10/https/media.tenor.com/yF8hJXvLT74AAAAe/dave-chappelle-money.png [19-Sep-24 10:39 AM] jvaler#0000 hell yeah [19-Sep-24 10:39 AM] .nvf#0000 I'll expand my smelters tomorrow [19-Sep-24 10:46 AM] firemonkeh#0000 All good, thank you. Yeah better get to building then. {Reactions} 😁 [19-Sep-24 10:46 AM] jvaler#0000 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/275117238292447232/1025596142618169384/redditsave.com_oo3dk476sb391.gif {Embed} https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/275117238292447232/1025596142618169384/redditsave.com_oo3dk476sb391.gif https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/275117238292447232/1025596142618169384/redditsave.com_oo3dk476sb391.gif?ex=6814d797&is=68138617&hm=f7dfc93f39a5c1fb32ccb429e0561bf2936c5dafd39a2002decbc73f1d6ddab2& {Reactions} 🧠 [19-Sep-24 10:54 AM] firemonkeh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/construction-fail-fall-roof-ladder-gif-5454317 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/construction-fail-fall-roof-ladder-gif-5454317 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/y8OCP7-CTOc0z8xL2MEx24SJxWcJrVR--zSm_W6Mbqs/https/media.tenor.com/oSL1r2TR-80AAAAe/construction-fail.png [19-Sep-24 11:08 AM] jcheung#0000 would have been fine if he didn't jump [19-Sep-24 11:08 AM] jcheung#0000 ...or for that matter, if they had taken a few more steps before throwing down the ply [19-Sep-24 11:31 AM] realharvey#0000 @jvaler you are to quick. I want to contribute aswell :( [19-Sep-24 11:31 AM] jcheung#0000 ~~easy, just send your money to jvaler~~ [19-Sep-24 11:32 AM] jvaler#0000 true actually @realharvey [19-Sep-24 11:32 AM] jvaler#0000 i can just replace my name with yours on the sheet [19-Sep-24 11:32 AM] jvaler#0000 it's effectively the same [19-Sep-24 11:32 AM] jcheung#0000 well. that was *supposed* to be a joke [19-Sep-24 11:33 AM] jvaler#0000 a joke? those are banned in ADI... [19-Sep-24 11:35 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/nalog-gif-25906765 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/nalog-gif-25906765 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1SwHSdJiqSj35FE6QSpb0vZBYOXZBIjQb0vxEdyXXZQ/https/media.tenor.com/F-D5EhlQXdMAAAAe/nalog.png {Reactions} 💯 (2) [19-Sep-24 11:35 AM] jcheung#0000 psh [19-Sep-24 11:35 AM] jcheung#0000 ban shman [19-Sep-24 11:51 AM] realharvey#0000 you are thinking in soloutions [19-Sep-24 11:51 AM] realharvey#0000 I like that [19-Sep-24 11:53 AM] jcheung#0000 thinking in water? [19-Sep-24 11:54 AM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/lizeth-selene-selene-andi-agosti-rebelde-netflix-netflix-gif-26555473 POV: Jcheung thinking {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/lizeth-selene-selene-andi-agosti-rebelde-netflix-netflix-gif-26555473 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/dwxzalbEEPMOY5qvW2WYOMZDC14-sBeAIG2T_Kwx9bg/https/media.tenor.com/lmAFbw-Q62QAAAAe/lizeth-selene-selene.png [19-Sep-24 11:55 AM] jcheung#0000 need it to keep my brain at a healthy temp [19-Sep-24 11:56 AM] realharvey#0000 btw. you just made me question if I used the wrong word lol. [19-Sep-24 11:57 AM] jvaler#0000 @realharvey take your pick =P {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286370711203610694/image.png?ex=6814f995&is=6813a815&hm=726f0bde06cc7658261cb6dacff40ad5d559c3d9e0009a1d5079ceeef8852b4a& [19-Sep-24 11:58 AM] realharvey#0000 envyF and FireMonkeh [19-Sep-24 12:39 PM] realharvey#0000 am I a coordinator aswell now? :P [19-Sep-24 12:39 PM] jvaler#0000 oh right yeah {Reactions} 🤣 [19-Sep-24 01:20 PM] realharvey#0000 mission accomplished [19-Sep-24 01:45 PM] igfloz#0000 ~~mission accomplished ~~ The bribe worked ! - FTFY 🙂 {Reactions} 😂 👆 [19-Sep-24 02:41 PM] realharvey#0000 but I gave 2 grants. So I also kept my pinky promise {Reactions} 🤣 [19-Sep-24 02:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 We bought our way in [19-Sep-24 03:30 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm thinking i might have to narrow down "coordinator" to mean "project lead" and make a separate role for "project contributor" to give out role-ing perms {Reactions} 🤣 (2) [19-Sep-24 03:31 PM] realharvey#0000 no dont do that 👉 👈 [19-Sep-24 04:16 PM] razenpok#0000 Ooh, so it was a double-play by jvaler to lure out bribes to preserve ADI capital [19-Sep-24 04:16 PM] razenpok#0000 Love it [19-Sep-24 04:18 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/emoji-social-credit-gif-14820509073990918313 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/emoji-social-credit-gif-14820509073990918313 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/QfAUGaUrK5V57UjASnL4BMkcMe3hQKI0zB94sQRtGzw/https/media.tenor.com/za0GevmuoKkAAAAe/emoji-social-credit.png [19-Sep-24 04:25 PM] jvaler#0000 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/702596016322642030/1112023215531905135/FALSE.gif {Embed} https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/702596016322642030/1112023215531905135/FALSE.gif https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/702596016322642030/1112023215531905135/FALSE.gif?ex=6814d552&is=681383d2&hm=f42ba5a75a49f2dd21dc3c72da06a1eb9585f12ccb530514c8b5a9d4fd8eae9d& [19-Sep-24 10:08 PM] kynadre#0000 I'm still working out my plans, trying to understand my production options, but I appreciate the sort of roleplay of being the Martian community and bringing "home" what isn't native to our starter planets, such as food production and fuel production. Current plan is a now-ongoing metallurgist start on Deimos, which will branch into some addtl extraction planets for other minerals needed by high-frequency construction & manufacturing projects (planning BER, BOR, BRM, HAL, LIO, LST, SIO). Then once I've got more cash buffer built up, I have plans to make a basic food (or pure extractor) base on Verdant and a fuel base on Harpina (due to the massive local H source) to bring those "home" more reliably (and meet my own needs). [19-Sep-24 10:09 PM] kynadre#0000 I worked with a lot of comparisons to find resource planets that either had bonuses or some of the highest available while still being within 12j of Antares without requiring more than 1-2 "bad weather" fixes. Many don't require any, I'm just saving up buffer to be able to set them up + start placing buy orders instead of buying at sell values (esp. those construction materials) [19-Sep-24 10:15 PM] kynadre#0000 I'll look at a few ideas to also get CLI (soil) and TCO (TCS -> HSE). I'm having hard time telling if TAI, CUO, AUO, MGS, SCR (and their outputs) actually have demand [19-Sep-24 10:15 PM] kynadre#0000 that's my general idea, anyway, but I'm getting experience how the game works and trying to ask good questions [19-Sep-24 10:15 PM] kynadre#0000 🙏 [19-Sep-24 10:18 PM] jcheung#0000 mgs has a pretty decent flow {Reactions} 👍 [19-Sep-24 10:19 PM] jcheung#0000 not amazing, but reasonable {Reactions} 👍 [19-Sep-24 10:19 PM] tanda#0000 Tco is low volume. Look at how much a tnp can process [19-Sep-24 10:20 PM] tanda#0000 You just don't need a ton {Reactions} 👍 [19-Sep-24 10:56 PM] kynadre#0000 Makes sense, I'll look into MGS too. TCO, it's something worth getting once in a while at a base with other stuff available, but not on its own, it sounds like? [19-Sep-24 10:57 PM] kynadre#0000 Or better to just let those who need it chase it 😄 [19-Sep-24 11:30 PM] evov#0000 As with all things, it depends on the price. {Reactions} this [20-Sep-24 01:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Hello, I'm currently considering to expand my operations with an ore extraction site on LG-430 b for CUO. I already have a rudimentary smeltery on Deimos, which I would upgrade to support the higher flow of resources. Why LG-430 b? It's one of the CUO richer planetes in ANT space, is (just) 7 jumps away of AI1 and theoretically isn't that far away of Hortus, if the CU market in ANT crashes. Also it's already colonized. CU is currently high profitable. CUO seems to be sparse and CUO planets are few and far apart. Since I already have a AL production, it fits into my current business. The Construction of a simple mining operation would cost around 300.000 AIC - more, if I decide to start with more EXT. For logistics I have the 2 starter ships, not sure if I should upgrade. Rest of the grand would flow into supplies and more SMT on Deimos. The idea is to mine CUO on LG-430 b, ship it to Deimos for smelting and sell the CU to the market, maybe even CUO overflow, if there is any. Shipping (one way) with my current ships is around 4000 AIC (with lowest speed). And with just 500 t capacity, that's around 55 units of CUO... so upgrading to a better ship would be reasonable, but I heard ships are expensive. [20-Sep-24 01:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 As for me, I'm a relatively new player, started less then a week ago. I feel like I understood the mechanics and economy of the game, but still looking for a place in this galaxy. I would love to fill a place in the community and market. Not sure, if CU is the right call, but everbody does AL, and CU seems something not many people are willing to mine and produce. [20-Sep-24 01:25 AM] jcheung#0000 Have you looked at your logistics for that base? [20-Sep-24 01:26 AM] jcheung#0000 CUO is pretty heavy, how much can you move per day to deimos? [20-Sep-24 01:26 AM] pxlfox.#0000 what do you mean? [20-Sep-24 01:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 My current ship can fit 55 units per trip [20-Sep-24 01:27 AM] jcheung#0000 Right, how long is a trip [20-Sep-24 01:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 around 2 days [20-Sep-24 01:27 AM] jcheung#0000 And how much CUO do you make per day? [20-Sep-24 01:28 AM] jcheung#0000 Is that 2 days one way or round trip [20-Sep-24 01:28 AM] pxlfox.#0000 with all bonuses 14 units / 10 hours / EXT [20-Sep-24 01:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 one trip [20-Sep-24 01:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 lowest speed [20-Sep-24 01:29 AM] jcheung#0000 When you say one trip, do you mean a round trip or one way [20-Sep-24 01:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 one way [20-Sep-24 01:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 sorry [20-Sep-24 01:29 AM] jcheung#0000 Okay. What's your CUO consumption on deimos, projected [20-Sep-24 01:29 AM] jcheung#0000 Per day [20-Sep-24 01:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 5 units / 12 hours / SME. Currently I have 2 SME for my AL production, so depends on how many more I build up [20-Sep-24 01:31 AM] jcheung#0000 SME* [20-Sep-24 01:32 AM] jcheung#0000 With the numbers provided so far, with both ships hauling nonstop at those speeds, you won't even keep up with the CUO production. You have to step up the speed of your transports. [20-Sep-24 01:33 AM] jcheung#0000 Actually. Let me rephrase that. Both ships can't handle *one* EXT at those speeds [20-Sep-24 01:35 AM] jcheung#0000 Here's the rough breakdown with mental math and rounding: 4d round trip 55 moved per round trip 14 moved per day, per ship 1.4 generated per hour 35 generated per day per extractor [20-Sep-24 01:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I see [20-Sep-24 01:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 so I would sit on my ore on my extraction site... [20-Sep-24 01:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 how much would a better ship cost, approximately? [20-Sep-24 01:38 AM] jcheung#0000 There's a guy who offers cheap upgrades to ships that can carry 748 CUO/load for around... i think 650k for the kit plus around another 1-300k for additional materials [20-Sep-24 01:38 AM] jcheung#0000 That could convert both your starter ships (cost was per ship) [20-Sep-24 01:39 AM] jcheung#0000 We're working on our own upgrade program but that's going slowly [20-Sep-24 01:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 yeah... even with the grand I would need around 500k own capital to attempt that [20-Sep-24 01:40 AM] getonthetrain#0000 well, get the grant - expand what you are currently doing with 300-500k of that - then save for a ship upgrade to do the rest of your plan [20-Sep-24 01:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 seems reasonable [20-Sep-24 01:41 AM] jcheung#0000 Huh. How did you come up with 55u for CUO btw [20-Sep-24 01:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 in other words - I just don't have the logistics for that, so I need a better ship [20-Sep-24 01:41 AM] jcheung#0000 I'm showing 124 [20-Sep-24 01:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 500 t for the starter ship [20-Sep-24 01:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 oh wait, yeah [20-Sep-24 01:41 AM] jcheung#0000 Which is still horrible mind you [20-Sep-24 01:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I had the weight for CU, not the ore [20-Sep-24 01:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 which is around 9 t [20-Sep-24 01:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ore is just 5, right? [20-Sep-24 01:42 AM] getonthetrain#0000 4.01 [20-Sep-24 01:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 even better [20-Sep-24 01:43 AM] jcheung#0000 At 124u/trip, one ship could support one ext with a little overhead. That's a lot of empty space on the base [20-Sep-24 01:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 it is - but it's a start xD [20-Sep-24 01:43 AM] jcheung#0000 I suggest finding a different start [20-Sep-24 01:44 AM] jcheung#0000 What's the profit per day with your plan of CUO [20-Sep-24 01:44 AM] getonthetrain#0000 I find that the scrappy start is most fun - trying to make the most with limited resources [20-Sep-24 01:44 AM] realharvey#0000 A new ship is expensive. Upgrades also set you back a decent amount of change [20-Sep-24 01:44 AM] getonthetrain#0000 upgrade is like a million all things considered [20-Sep-24 01:45 AM] jcheung#0000 7 jumps and a permit for 2 EXTs is less than ideal {Reactions} 👍 [20-Sep-24 01:45 AM] pxlfox.#0000 just the ore - without transportation - according to prun planner - around 11.000 [20-Sep-24 01:45 AM] jcheung#0000 Maybe 3 EXTs [20-Sep-24 01:45 AM] jcheung#0000 Amd after refinement, assuming it teleports? [20-Sep-24 01:46 AM] realharvey#0000 You can sustain 1-3 full bases with the two starter ships when focussing on less heavier products [20-Sep-24 01:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 let me quickly setup that ... [20-Sep-24 01:46 AM] jcheung#0000 Also 11k with how many EXT [20-Sep-24 01:49 AM] getonthetrain#0000 thats per EXT jc [20-Sep-24 01:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 just one [20-Sep-24 01:52 AM] jcheung#0000 Dang [20-Sep-24 01:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 If I configured it correctly - still new to the planner - its says with 1 EXT and 6 SME (which should roughly eat up all the ore), we are around 30.000 profit... [20-Sep-24 01:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286581155956789279/image.png?ex=681514d3&is=6813c353&hm=a4b9680520164033a0d9acf4492cc892dfb14417b4665797759fd36c101d43e7& [20-Sep-24 01:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 probably not, but not sure where to look at, tbh [20-Sep-24 01:56 AM] jcheung#0000 So assuming you can run 2 EXTs that would be... 60k/d. Hmmm. Not bad, but man.... that's a lot of logi capacity gone [20-Sep-24 01:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 the flight path between Deimos and LG-430 is throu Antares I, so I could just send both ships back and forth [20-Sep-24 01:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 making a stop at the CX, if needed [20-Sep-24 01:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 it would work ... [20-Sep-24 01:58 AM] jcheung#0000 Making that pitstop will add a bunch of time [20-Sep-24 01:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 sending a ship extra too [20-Sep-24 01:59 AM] getonthetrain#0000 you would have one ship constantly to ANT and this copper place. The other could occasionally visit Deimos, but would have to make runs too I think [20-Sep-24 02:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 or somebody else ships my copper from deimos over to CX [20-Sep-24 02:00 AM] jcheung#0000 It's not like you're pulling into a gas station on a road trip, you're going to the town off the side of a highway [20-Sep-24 02:00 AM] jcheung#0000 With no nearby exits [20-Sep-24 02:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I could use one ship non-stop and the other would ship the CU from Deimos to CX and buy supplies [20-Sep-24 02:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 also, on trip was like 60% fuel, so thats a problem, too... [20-Sep-24 02:02 AM] getonthetrain#0000 well, you just bring fuel in your cargo on the outbound trip [20-Sep-24 02:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but still, you're right - its a lot of logistics [20-Sep-24 02:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 and eventuelly I need a better ship [20-Sep-24 02:03 AM] jcheung#0000 Also [20-Sep-24 02:04 AM] jcheung#0000 How much PIO do you need for ext again? [20-Sep-24 02:04 AM] getonthetrain#0000 60 [20-Sep-24 02:05 AM] jcheung#0000 Might be tight on pop [20-Sep-24 02:05 AM] evov#0000 You could just sell you CU to someone on Deimos so you don't need to worry about the last leg of transport. [20-Sep-24 02:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 true [20-Sep-24 02:05 AM] jcheung#0000 Tbh if it's going all the way there you may as well do the refinement yourself [20-Sep-24 02:06 AM] jcheung#0000 Is a pretty big value add, and the cx distance is... acceptable [20-Sep-24 02:06 AM] jcheung#0000 High enough traffic for LM shipping to ANT regulairly too [20-Sep-24 02:06 AM] evov#0000 Yea, do the refinement yourself on deimos, but sell the CU there ( or put up LM adds for transport ) [20-Sep-24 02:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I mean - the grand would be enough to setup and start the operation. If it all works, I have a good supply of cash I can use to optimize, right? [20-Sep-24 02:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 also, there is basically no loss in this game - just time [20-Sep-24 02:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 well, except CU falls to 500 or so and the transport is more expensive then selling it, of course ... [20-Sep-24 02:09 AM] jcheung#0000 The tricky part is convincing someone to give you grant money [20-Sep-24 02:09 AM] jcheung#0000 Maybe you'll find someone 😅 [20-Sep-24 02:09 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I know - is an idea and I thought I shoot my shot. [20-Sep-24 02:10 AM] jcheung#0000 Got any backup plans? [20-Sep-24 02:10 AM] pxlfox.#0000 AL always sells ... xD [20-Sep-24 02:10 AM] evov#0000 The safe bet, would be to stick with places that already have a cogc on them. It's a lot of efficiency to pass up by not having it, and it's a good indication that other people have already done the numbers and worked out the planet is viable for that stuff. {Reactions} 👍 [20-Sep-24 02:11 AM] jcheung#0000 ~~except phobos~~ [20-Sep-24 02:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 you mean this: COGCPD p-LG-430b pn-ADVERTISING_RESOURCE_EXTRACTION [20-Sep-24 02:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 as mentioned the planet is already colonized and a bit developed [20-Sep-24 02:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 other CU planets are further away or empty [20-Sep-24 02:19 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I posted this discussion to see, if the CUO EXT is even a good idea and viable. CU is high right now (not sure why, tbh), but might fall if more people jump on the hype. 4000 AIC transportion per one trip is harsh, so yeah, it's risky. It would be safer to do, what everybody does: Expand the AL production on Deimos, setup some manufacturing. But I felt this does everybody. CU on the other hand is relatively rare, hard to get in ANT and (at least currently) needed. [20-Sep-24 02:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 If it fails I still have Deimos with at least 6 SME, so that's something. And some infrastructure to immediatly jump onto the CU hype again, if some comes by 😛 [20-Sep-24 02:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Either way, thank you for your all feedback. Helped me to understand more what to look at, when thinking about expanding 🙂 [20-Sep-24 02:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Just checked something - CU prices could drop to around 1.000 until I would lose money to the transport. [20-Sep-24 02:37 AM] evov#0000 If the price dropping below a certain point is a risk, you could try to lock in a longer timeline sales contract with someone. You won't get as much per unit, but you cap the risk/downside at least. [20-Sep-24 02:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Please correct me, if I'm wrong, but if the price on the CX is lower then I sell it to the contractor, wouldn't they drop me, too? [20-Sep-24 02:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Since they can get I cheaper somewhere else. And it's not like there is a quality to materials - like my copper is the best in the 7 universes... [20-Sep-24 02:43 AM] evov#0000 As an example - right now, I could by CUO on the Mor cx at 350/unit. Over the next month, maybe it goes up, maybe it goes down. Or, I could do a contract with you ( or someone that produces CUO ) where we make the contract now, but pay/deliver in 30 days from now. [20-Sep-24 02:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 buy now, pay later. Understood 🙂 [20-Sep-24 02:44 AM] evov#0000 Well you can structure it however you want. Pay later deliver later, pay now deliver later etc etc [20-Sep-24 02:46 AM] evov#0000 Example - {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286594352918827059/image.png?ex=6814785d&is=681326dd&hm=1d3d7b5b5e2bc989f5d5daa9798ce137fc7766c33f801db4ba1c540444606b2d& [20-Sep-24 02:48 AM] pxlfox.#0000 so basically we skip the CX and we both get a stable, reasonable price for the expense of (possibly) losing some revenue [20-Sep-24 02:48 AM] evov#0000 You can structure it like a loan if you want. Where the person pays you now, and you deliver later ( with an expected lower price per unit instead of paying interest on the loan ) [20-Sep-24 02:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 * in the sense of selling/buying on the CX could be more profitable or more expensive, we just don't know [20-Sep-24 02:49 AM] evov#0000 Yea, it's all just risk exposure [20-Sep-24 02:51 AM] evov#0000 I'm just pointing out that there are financial tools and contract tools in the game that can help solve all sorts of problems (logistics, cashflow, risk exposure etc ) {Reactions} 👍 (2) [20-Sep-24 06:18 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Hi all, My goal is to set up a drinks empire (booze and coffee). I currently have a full base on Antares that is based mostly around Rigs and Farmsteads. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286647626661494784/ScreenHunter_08.jpg?ex=6814a9fa&is=6813587a&hm=c7a17022fe6e1b223f3f1c8cec462315aae97f9bc8c2f39903619fb36f49284e& [20-Sep-24 06:18 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I intend to use the surplus from this base 1 to help feed base 2. My plan thus far is to: - set up my second base in Cantillo space, move my hq there to get the ag bonus. - Develop this 2nd base primarily on Fermentors / hydroponics [20-Sep-24 06:19 AM] cruelcoin#0000 - Possibly a 3rd base will be needed in castillo space to feed base 2 with more farmstead/ration capacity [20-Sep-24 06:21 AM] jvaler#0000 castillo-ito HQ location has a manufacturing bonus, not agri and AGP is only available for antares development... if you're expanding out of antares we can't fund that unfortunately [20-Sep-24 06:22 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I get you. Wrong region... Happy to stay within Antares if it's viable without the correct hq bonus? [20-Sep-24 06:22 AM] jvaler#0000 of course, very viable. the HQ bonus is considered marginal to most players [20-Sep-24 06:23 AM] jvaler#0000 CoGC and experts matter much more {Reactions} 👍 (4) 💀 [20-Sep-24 06:24 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I can see myself as needing cash mostly for base storage, greater ship capacity and of course, base mats. [20-Sep-24 06:25 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Your thoughts on the points above? (inserting antares for castillo) [20-Sep-24 06:25 AM] laaxus#0000 ship doesn't earn money, storage does not either [20-Sep-24 06:25 AM] laaxus#0000 building does [20-Sep-24 06:25 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Fly more? [20-Sep-24 06:25 AM] laaxus#0000 I recommend investing in building With a 2 day input goods reserve [20-Sep-24 06:26 AM] laaxus#0000 yes, it would require you to fly more [20-Sep-24 06:26 AM] laaxus#0000 but you have few base [20-Sep-24 06:26 AM] laaxus#0000 it's ok [20-Sep-24 06:26 AM] laaxus#0000 once you earn more money you'll invest in upgrading your existing ships [20-Sep-24 06:26 AM] laaxus#0000 but not now [20-Sep-24 06:26 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I've realised the contracts for the traps they are, particularly the exploration ones, so i have much more free flight hours now. [20-Sep-24 06:27 AM] laaxus#0000 I recommend trading convenience (less shipping) for more profit [20-Sep-24 06:27 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Understood [20-Sep-24 06:28 AM] tanda#0000 In this region of space, you have two strong pairs for expansion [20-Sep-24 06:29 AM] tanda#0000 Hamornia/Norwick, SE-110b/SE-110a [20-Sep-24 06:29 AM] tanda#0000 there's also Demeter, but that one's way out there [20-Sep-24 06:29 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The devs introduced those new contract mechanics, for "additional newbro income".... But unless they curtail the returns on said contracts, then the more established players would just use them as a profit engine... So now those NPC contracts are mostly for "learning and orientation". I still see people gaming the reputation, but it's as what most have said, simply bargaining rights. [20-Sep-24 06:31 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Demeter/Hermes (AG / FI) combo. {Reactions} 👍 [20-Sep-24 06:31 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Of those, why would 110b be usefull? [20-Sep-24 06:31 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 HYFs.... [20-Sep-24 06:32 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 We slurp the water at SE-110c; ship it to SE-110b to grow the wheat and caffeine; and ship the rest to SE-110a to process into insta-hot meal packs, for ANT CX exports. 🙂 {Reactions} 👍 (2) [20-Sep-24 06:34 AM] cruelcoin#0000 The Silicon base is usefull? [20-Sep-24 06:37 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Ah, i see. Just a usefull nearby rock to build the farms? [20-Sep-24 06:38 AM] tanda#0000 something most people miss from the outside is just how *nearby* said rock is {Reactions} 😍 [20-Sep-24 06:38 AM] tanda#0000 flight times are about 3-4 hours [20-Sep-24 06:38 AM] cruelcoin#0000 One sec i opena map [20-Sep-24 06:38 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I see [20-Sep-24 06:38 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Theyre practically on top of each other [20-Sep-24 06:43 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Hmmmm. Revised plan: 1 - retain harmonia base for ration production to feed bases 2/3/4 2 - Build Rigs on 110c for water 3 - Build Farms/hydro on 110b for grain and caffeine 4 - Fermentors/processors on 110a for booze and coffee. I would want to stick with the idea of becoming a drinks magnate, purely for the RP side of it, to keep me motivated, Thoughts? [20-Sep-24 06:45 AM] tanda#0000 regarding 4, 110a is also food processing [20-Sep-24 06:45 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Typo [20-Sep-24 06:45 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Thanks [20-Sep-24 06:45 AM] tanda#0000 ah, yeah happens easily [20-Sep-24 06:46 AM] tanda#0000 that system is great, but you'll probably need to run your bases at half capacity on the initial build out until you can get the LCB you'll need [20-Sep-24 06:46 AM] tanda#0000 HYF's eat a lot of water [20-Sep-24 06:46 AM] cruelcoin#0000 LCB? Sorry, i'm not familiar with the acronyms [20-Sep-24 06:47 AM] tanda#0000 sorry, cargo ships are generally referred to by the acronym of their cargo bay [20-Sep-24 06:47 AM] tanda#0000 WCB- 3ktons, 1k volume LCB - 2k tons, 2k volume VCB - 1k Tons, 3k volume [20-Sep-24 06:48 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Aha [20-Sep-24 06:49 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Now i'm not going to be putting any more goods into contracts, i can probably remove some farms/rigs and add a food processor or two, on base 1. [20-Sep-24 06:49 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I'll slap it into excell. Math it out. [20-Sep-24 06:50 AM] tanda#0000 I suggest getting used to PRUN planner, it's excellent at sketching out bases quickly and how a supply chain will interact [20-Sep-24 06:51 AM] tanda#0000 calls out things like shipping issues too {Reactions} 👍 [20-Sep-24 07:06 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Just looking through it now. Pretty comprehensive [20-Sep-24 10:23 AM] farnite#0000 Fuel refining operation is up and running, TY! {Reactions} 👏 (3) [20-Sep-24 10:51 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Thank you very much lads! Time to go shopping. Couple of questions if i could: - The contract doesn't seem to be fullfilling for me, even though i have those rations in that location to fullfill? Please advise. - what do you guys need from me in terms of progress reports for disbursement of the next 3 installments? - Finally, what do you guys get out of it? I appreciate it, but really? Encourage a new player base to keep the game going would be my guess. Thank you! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286716435166662656/ScreenHunter_09.jpg?ex=6814ea10&is=68139890&hm=87d1a7d1b18e0b69d468673ba280c52b18347cf1e574bcb8ad3308c780589173& [20-Sep-24 10:56 AM] laaxus#0000 1) it's not meant to be fullfilled, request termination 2) nothing, your money. you do you. please don't waste it tho 3) the beginning of the game is extremmely slow. 1M AIC boost new players by 70 days. it helps retention (we don't want potential players to leave). New players is what actually grow the economy (old players must spend 10M for a new base). After 3 years of playing, you earns millions and you don't know what to with it. Jvalier is a kind soul. {Reactions} ♥️ [20-Sep-24 10:56 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Ships enroute to market, to start the shopping. [20-Sep-24 10:56 AM] marat_sh#0000 > Jvalier is a kind soul. [20-Sep-24 10:56 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-xin-po-pich-gif-25235227 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-xin-po-pich-gif-25235227 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/LbffyO6vcZGbTEH5HaE_OdDXMqcvYlQE1Sf8s_KrxWM/https/media.tenor.com/yFxv4bbBA8EAAAAe/social-credit-xin-po-pich.png [20-Sep-24 10:57 AM] cruelcoin#0000 lol. Aye, very kind. That said, the excel sheet has a good few names on it as donors. Plenty of good lads around these parts. I look forward to being able to repay / pay it forward. [20-Sep-24 10:58 AM] laaxus#0000 the AGP is a reverse pyramid scheme {Reactions} 👆 (2) [20-Sep-24 10:58 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Next questions: - Of new bases 2/3/4, which should i build first? probably 2, but to completion? Or all three in tandem, building each up slowly? [20-Sep-24 10:59 AM] laaxus#0000 wdym 2 3 4 ? [20-Sep-24 10:59 AM] .urpalhal#0000 This plan numbers yeah? {Reactions} 👍 [20-Sep-24 11:00 AM] laaxus#0000 whichever base has the most profit cx wise [20-Sep-24 11:05 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Yep. {Reactions} partyhehe [20-Sep-24 11:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah ideally it would be the one that would allow you to build another base [20-Sep-24 12:07 PM] jvaler#0000 * it's meant to be terminated, click the "Request Termination" button * you're meant to just get 1mil... we haven't done this split payout method in forever https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nHlwiZ3z110rOlRlZ97K7ezpli1TeYM_4kOwbNLhDkc/edit?gid=0#gid=0 * who here is PT Baja Abadi? or what's their CO code? i need to get this sorted out lol * the whole point of ADI is to develop antares, and improving new player retention by bypassing the early game slog is a great way to do that. the game gets way more engaging when you're able to do more. {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nHlwiZ3z110rOlRlZ97K7ezpli1TeYM_4kOwbNLhDkc/edit?gid=0 AGP Database 2.0 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/GUWxqafA1pZC21fsRXkcJGREebuopxkG0kWtdHOl9Yg/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyLsAy55RbJaHooMRKtn0yQxyU8e2kRMGRK7AXBNyBHVCmHDO6wawT08QmnrJAp_DOqX92JC8qRkPW6udCWvrxLmp-_6NVSB-gCl0rxirD-sze97XEA0%3Dw1200-h630-p [20-Sep-24 12:09 PM] razenpok#0000 ~~it's actually to guilt-trip people into making internal offers~~ {Reactions} 😾 [20-Sep-24 12:12 PM] jcheung#0000 the internal offers are what guilt trip me into making itnernal offers {Reactions} 👆 (2) [20-Sep-24 12:37 PM] kynadre#0000 Your discussion enlightens me to why CU is so expensive right now, tbf. The entire discussion revolves around 2 points. 1) CU is heavy. 2) CU is valuable. It makes really clear that in the entire situation, one begets the other. Because it's so heavy, the costs have to be high to offset the shipping expenses, ship expenses involved with managing its inputs. And basically it's not even free-player friendly due to the weights of it unless it's basically the -only- thing you do, which is probably also why its price is high. So in essence, the discussion proved why the value is essentially a sunk cost compensation for players who do it, and in fact, not actually the fantastic deal it seems like it "should" be. Also gives me another parameter to look at when looking at extraction bases... I had not given the weight of material enough thought! [20-Sep-24 12:56 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Hi, company code was "PT" [20-Sep-24 12:59 PM] jvaler#0000 ... is this person even in the server? lmao {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286748478004789331/image.png?ex=681507e7&is=6813b667&hm=a4d8f267cea119b07d417cfbd3d44e8888eda51d5d048ab9729ac4c8692a76b0& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286748478554378381/image.png?ex=681507e7&is=6813b667&hm=3b2af2c7a0dba1290c0932e2d0b373e7772bbe84143172e1d416e9a3bef78c0f& [20-Sep-24 12:59 PM] jvaler#0000 have they said anything to you about this, or just sent you a contract out of nowhere? [20-Sep-24 01:01 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Contract for 250k in, 1 ration out Other than that nothing [20-Sep-24 01:02 PM] razenpok#0000 Jesus, is money laundering happening *again*? [20-Sep-24 01:02 PM] jvaler#0000 i've pinged them about it in the kawakawa server, so we'll see what's up with that. in the meantime i can handle your actual 1mil grant [20-Sep-24 01:02 PM] jvaler#0000 can you remind me what your plan was again? [20-Sep-24 01:02 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Oh, ok. I can return the 250k to whoever i need to should that come up. [20-Sep-24 01:03 PM] jvaler#0000 ofc. maybe just sit on it until i get a response =P {Reactions} 👍 [20-Sep-24 01:03 PM] cruelcoin#0000 "Revised plan: 1 - retain harmonia base for ration production to feed bases 2/3/4 2 - Build Rigs on 110c for water 3 - Build Farms/hydro on 110b for grain and caffeine 4 - Fermentors/processors on 110a for booze and coffee. I would want to stick with the idea of becoming a drinks magnate, purely for the RP side of it, to keep me motivated," [20-Sep-24 01:03 PM] jvaler#0000 that's right, okay [20-Sep-24 01:03 PM] jvaler#0000 sounds good, and antares can always use more COF. {Reactions} 💯 [20-Sep-24 01:03 PM] jvaler#0000 sending u a cont [20-Sep-24 01:04 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Yeah i thought COF was mental money for the gain it gives? [20-Sep-24 01:04 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Well, heavy metal slogs aren't all that terrible, if you've built up for it... However, due to the discrepancies between MCG-only (triple green worlds), and resource deposits, (be they truly viable, or at least tenable, while being close to a CX), make volume production a hard thing to do. You could easily re-spec core ANT worlds (ANT 1, 2, 3...), to suit such processes, but you'd be angering lots of people in doing so (investment bias regarding the long-term COGCs. A less effective option would be to just populate such near-CX, MCG worlds, with off-COGC bases. It's not the best but you'll be cutting down on the long-haul logistics that would otherwise be needed to make such heavy industries logistically viable. [20-Sep-24 01:04 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah the market is favorable for it atm afaik. being able to buy 1k/u CAF on the CX is really good [20-Sep-24 01:05 PM] jvaler#0000 @cruelcoin is cruelcoin not your actual username? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286750059282563184/image.png?ex=68150960&is=6813b7e0&hm=6b69cd97f4c956549458d15ebdd0ecfc7e10ef49dd9aa3c7cf0a08f097ddfa0d& [20-Sep-24 01:05 PM] jvaler#0000 wait i can check your CO code [20-Sep-24 01:05 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 case? [20-Sep-24 01:05 PM] cruelcoin#0000 GLUG [20-Sep-24 01:05 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Do caps matter? [20-Sep-24 01:06 PM] jvaler#0000 that field isn't case sensitive no [20-Sep-24 01:06 PM] jvaler#0000 changed your nickname so it's easier for people to send you conts, hope you don't mind [20-Sep-24 01:06 PM] jvaler#0000 alright sent [20-Sep-24 01:07 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Oooooooh. I'm an eegit. [20-Sep-24 01:07 PM] cruelcoin#0000 I swap between cc and roymundo [20-Sep-24 01:07 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Ah yes, "king of the world". [20-Sep-24 01:08 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Thanking you! [20-Sep-24 01:10 PM] jvaler#0000 @cruelcoin okay it looks like it may have been a bit of a troll that you got lucky enough to be the recipient of. were you free license at the time? and did the contract have a funny description? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286751289102958634/image.png?ex=68150a86&is=6813b906&hm=7d6fed64609c39773c81e3bf5e2adbe018aa4e7c9d724eda8cb33f28d2b1bcba& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286751289555816449/image.png?ex=68150a86&is=6813b906&hm=ed1894fdae1f55c2a1cb73f5c5c00e7784b7cfe522f767eae3cfe758043b768e& [20-Sep-24 01:11 PM] cruelcoin#0000 I was free just before joining this channel, then took out pro [20-Sep-24 01:11 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Was pro at the time of the 250k [20-Sep-24 01:11 PM] jvaler#0000 by time they sent the contract or by the time you accepted? [20-Sep-24 01:11 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Pro at the time of either i think [20-Sep-24 01:11 PM] jvaler#0000 hmmm [20-Sep-24 01:12 PM] jvaler#0000 and what about the description? [20-Sep-24 01:12 PM] cruelcoin#0000 i may have that wrong [20-Sep-24 01:12 PM] cruelcoin#0000 "250k FISCAL STIMULUS!!! GET IT NOW!!! OFFER IS TIME LIMITED!!!" [20-Sep-24 01:12 PM] jvaler#0000 ah yeah sounds like this is it then [20-Sep-24 01:12 PM] cruelcoin#0000 "Q:Whats the catch? A:You'll need PRO/BASIC LIC to accept (:" [20-Sep-24 01:12 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Sooooooo, free money? 🤨 [20-Sep-24 01:12 PM] jvaler#0000 basically! [20-Sep-24 01:13 PM] cruelcoin#0000 \o/ [20-Sep-24 01:13 PM] kynadre#0000 yay new player stimuli ❤️ someone sent me 15k which really helped me cuz I was able to get a few more days of worker stuff AND start infusing coffee and luxurious padded overalls into my workforce [20-Sep-24 01:13 PM] jvaler#0000 their idea seems to be enticing free players to buy PRO license, but you were already planning on doing so to receive an AGP grant lmao {Reactions} 🤣 (2) [20-Sep-24 01:14 PM] kynadre#0000 it's funny how much a couple extra K can really help at the start [20-Sep-24 01:14 PM] cruelcoin#0000 I have an inkling, but by chance, is Eve Online popular with the people who play this game? [20-Sep-24 01:14 PM] cruelcoin#0000 "Spreadsheets in space" [20-Sep-24 01:14 PM] kynadre#0000 ASSN = avid spreadsheet Nthusiast XD [20-Sep-24 01:14 PM] kynadre#0000 indeed, without the risk of the freighters or stations getting blapped by PVP... just friendly market PVP XD [20-Sep-24 01:16 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Fun fact, when i first joined, all those years ago, i had just joined EXE, who were allied to BOB. We were at war up north, and i was warping to the fleet. Well, i warped to 0m on the fucking Titan and watched mortified as it went Boooooooiiiiiing out of the field. [20-Sep-24 01:16 PM] kynadre#0000 Oh snap [20-Sep-24 01:16 PM] kynadre#0000 I do a lot of rock munching in Eve, admittedly... learning to thrive in spicy space, adapt to risk and figure out my safety tools and avenues, be more self-reliant, get excited to support other peoples' projects while my life remains relatively uncomplicated [20-Sep-24 01:17 PM] kynadre#0000 it helps a lot that it's so much relatively passive but with thriving social community I enjoy [20-Sep-24 01:17 PM] kynadre#0000 I'm super wired to want to contribute to projects so this kind of stuff is right up my alley {Reactions} 👍 [20-Sep-24 01:17 PM] cruelcoin#0000 I was with Pandemic Horde during WWB3. That was an incredible experience. Seeing a thousands man fight was epic [20-Sep-24 01:18 PM] kynadre#0000 Oh God I bet [20-Sep-24 01:18 PM] kynadre#0000 I'm friends with some of the FCs from that era, unforgettable times. I'm in Initiative now but I was essentially a neutral backwater indy alliance before that [20-Sep-24 01:18 PM] kynadre#0000 we all merged into one corp and joined up to get a taste of the big stuff XD great move it was, much fun is had [20-Sep-24 01:18 PM] farnite#0000 ew, horde [20-Sep-24 01:19 PM] farnite#0000 <-- goon {Reactions} 🤣 (2) [20-Sep-24 01:20 PM] kynadre#0000 I love INIT, it's nice to have a chill side thing I do just for myself and the actual excitement I get from PU atm is so odd. Like, I get legit excited for the "transition points" when my stuff's gonna finish and I get to make the market trip [20-Sep-24 01:20 PM] farnite#0000 Yeah I've just started playing this, but I don't do any indy in eve at all, lol [20-Sep-24 01:20 PM] kynadre#0000 someone approached me about CF production when I saw it's needed for the heat shield base stuff in PU and I'm like, oh hell yeah [20-Sep-24 01:20 PM] kynadre#0000 yeah indy here is way less stressful and complex than in Eve... it's been overcomplicated to death there [20-Sep-24 01:21 PM] kynadre#0000 why I'm so happy to rock munch so people can focus on their projects [20-Sep-24 01:21 PM] cruelcoin#0000 I've been all over over the years. WWB2 WWB3, EXE/BOB war. I was there when BOB got deleted. The panic and pandemonium. Incredible. Desperate fleets making a break for high-sec. {Reactions} 😍 [20-Sep-24 01:22 PM] kynadre#0000 That's insane. I love how the comradery and the skin in the game makes the stories stick with people for literal decades [20-Sep-24 01:24 PM] farnite#0000 I started playing eve in 2006, crazy, I didn't realize how long it'd been. Time flies. [20-Sep-24 01:25 PM] cruelcoin#0000 I was doing scuba in new zealand in 2006. I remember calling my GF on a pre-paid phone card to talk her through setting up my learning queue. [20-Sep-24 01:25 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Jesus i'm old [20-Sep-24 01:25 PM] kynadre#0000 Oh man. I was just talking with a guy in mining fleet last night about how his GF almost left him when he was deployed cuz she was so sick of setting his training queue for him XDDDD [20-Sep-24 01:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 not as old as my grandfather [20-Sep-24 01:26 PM] kynadre#0000 They've been married 16 years now and she knows to let him finish scanning his wormhole routes BEFORE he does his chores... [20-Sep-24 01:26 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Tisk. Wife aggro [20-Sep-24 01:26 PM] kynadre#0000 ikr [20-Sep-24 01:26 PM] kynadre#0000 "It'll get done, honey, but please this is important to my bros..." [20-Sep-24 01:26 PM] cruelcoin#0000 "I need heavy Missles V honey. Yes really!" [20-Sep-24 01:27 PM] kynadre#0000 can't have a 72-hour energy drink fueled hardcore WH eviction op fail because somebody had to do dishes, damn it [20-Sep-24 01:27 PM] kynadre#0000 oh snap I'm filling AGP with off-topic sorry XD [20-Sep-24 01:28 PM] jvaler#0000 it's alright lol, this isn't as important as something like #trading [20-Sep-24 01:28 PM] manhim#0000 I remember having my alarm to wake up at night to put skills in my queue... before there were queues [20-Sep-24 01:28 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Those wh ops are better, if you can percolate in your bros, over a span of a few months. 🙂 [20-Sep-24 01:28 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Then, on some random Monday morning, surpriz?!? {Reactions} 😍 [20-Sep-24 01:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 it is just free money [20-Sep-24 01:29 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 #time-zone-warfare {Reactions} 👆 (2) [20-Sep-24 01:29 PM] kynadre#0000 I wish I'd been there for the historic keepstar fight INIT did in WH space... the dedication and pre-planning is nuts [20-Sep-24 01:29 PM] cruelcoin#0000 I was working in holland for a while, year abroad. I had Eve on a USB, and an incredulous granddad asking what the hell i was doing on his pc with these "screens and things" [20-Sep-24 01:29 PM] kynadre#0000 I joined an eviction corp for a few months just to learn how it works, how to protect against it, what strats people might or might not be doing [20-Sep-24 01:29 PM] kynadre#0000 hahaha [20-Sep-24 01:30 PM] kynadre#0000 it's like, best way to learn how to protect against something is to learn from the pros who do it, and get some experience with it, too [20-Sep-24 01:30 PM] cruelcoin#0000 WH living is tough....... {Reactions} 💯 [20-Sep-24 01:30 PM] kynadre#0000 I can't do middle of the night ops as much as I used to, takes a few days to recover, but back in FFXI days it was normal a few days a week to do stuff at 2-3 AM with the hardcore JA players [20-Sep-24 01:30 PM] kynadre#0000 "save your work often" is such a mantra in Eve [20-Sep-24 01:30 PM] manhim#0000 Just need to get in the rythm [20-Sep-24 01:31 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Come to Foxhole.... {Reactions} 😍 [20-Sep-24 01:31 PM] kynadre#0000 I know Xaoxinn! He's cool ppl [20-Sep-24 01:31 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Your #eve-grind is nothing compared to it. {Reactions} this [20-Sep-24 01:31 PM] kynadre#0000 I actually mine with him sometimes in spicy dorito land [20-Sep-24 01:31 PM] cruelcoin#0000 There is never enough guys making ammo {Reactions} 💯 [20-Sep-24 01:31 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Well... There is..... [20-Sep-24 01:31 PM] kynadre#0000 more Kinetic HM! More kinetic HM! Moar, I say, Moar! We have tengus to drop! [20-Sep-24 01:32 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You just need to become a #pirate for a few wars, and you'll eventually get to know what you can take/redistribute to active fronts. PITA.... but it works like a charm for say 8 hours, until the next shift takes over. {Reactions} 👍 [20-Sep-24 01:33 PM] kynadre#0000 I just rock munch... esp the mercoxit nerfs they're putting in, oh man, and how that's needed for caps and ammo and cap plates... business is good [20-Sep-24 01:33 PM] kynadre#0000 getting the things where people need it to do their work is so satisfying [20-Sep-24 01:33 PM] kynadre#0000 "What are people too afraid to go do, but they need? Cool, I'll go figure it out" [20-Sep-24 01:33 PM] kynadre#0000 been such a great feelgood and motivator [20-Sep-24 01:33 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Oh yeah, totally. [20-Sep-24 01:34 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 All you need is a single, relatively "secure" route of supply, and enough guys, or enough screen time, to get it where its needed. {Reactions} 💯 [20-Sep-24 01:34 PM] kynadre#0000 still tons to learn and I def make mistakes ofc, but, it's really valuable learning and character growth as person behind the screen [20-Sep-24 01:34 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 And you'll secure enough, viable, "play time" for the rest of the bros {Reactions} 💯 [20-Sep-24 01:35 PM] kynadre#0000 mine while I work, connect with people who haul while they work, work with them to connect what I mined with people who do indy stuff while they work [20-Sep-24 01:35 PM] kynadre#0000 then everybody's happy XD [20-Sep-24 01:35 PM] kynadre#0000 Just enough of "stuff for me" while doing "stuff for boss" that keeps us happy [20-Sep-24 01:38 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 At a certain point, it becomes less of "the boss told me to do this", and more like "i know what's coming up... we need this here, and that there".... No one else is gonna do this, since 95% of the peeps prefer to pew pew, with a few beers in their hand. Logistics is one of the few things, that I've found, which transfers to many, many games. It's probably listed under several chapters in Sun Tzu's "The Art of War", since attrition, and daily turnover play such a large part in RL affairs, which the games we play are modeled off-of. {Reactions} 💯 [20-Sep-24 01:39 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, I loved running jump freighters back when I played [20-Sep-24 01:39 PM] kynadre#0000 So many transferrable skills between both PU and Eve and RL and each other [20-Sep-24 01:39 PM] kynadre#0000 it's all real people skill development [20-Sep-24 01:40 PM] kynadre#0000 learning to read not just the price at a market but the depth of supplies and how much is actually needed if a big need aka brawl breaks out, how to fight the short-sighted price gougers to make sure you've actually got the depth of everything needed [20-Sep-24 01:40 PM] kynadre#0000 getting those logistics worked out so reships are ACTUALLY at the ready for SRP so you aren't cucked for a week [20-Sep-24 01:40 PM] manhim#0000 Lol, I have so many spreadsheets for eve [20-Sep-24 01:40 PM] kynadre#0000 :chefkiss: [20-Sep-24 01:41 PM] laaxus#0000 ah yes, such a valuable skill to be able to read the market ! (put every € I earn on vwce) [20-Sep-24 01:41 PM] manhim#0000 When living with a corp in a wormhole, the corp leader wanted to establish a local market so people wouldn't need to jump out as often. Shittons of logistics and people involved {Reactions} this 🚚 2473_PandaFiretruck3 [20-Sep-24 01:41 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Well.... Who here's got a server instance? [20-Sep-24 01:41 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I know Archiel has one.... but anyone else? [20-Sep-24 01:42 PM] kynadre#0000 God the QOL it makes for people [20-Sep-24 01:42 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Good idea, but not properly thought out..... {Reactions} this [20-Sep-24 01:42 PM] kynadre#0000 Yeah, esp. keeping stock of anything in a WH is just increasing your loot pinata value [20-Sep-24 01:42 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You have a set of fittings, daily I/O for industries... Supply those, rather than a random/general market. {Reactions} 💯 [20-Sep-24 01:42 PM] manhim#0000 Haha yeah [20-Sep-24 01:43 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I see it in Foxhole every day!. [20-Sep-24 01:43 PM] manhim#0000 It was when the new stations were first introduced. Before that we had only POSes xD [20-Sep-24 01:43 PM] kynadre#0000 POSs, stations, which is the lesser of two evils is increasingly hard to tell lol [20-Sep-24 01:44 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 People like to use certain things... When bigger equipment gets brought into the AO, there might be a demand for more munitions, but those responsibilities get pushed to the third parties, who use them. [20-Sep-24 01:44 PM] manhim#0000 Stations brought a lot of QOL for wormhole living {Reactions} 💯 [20-Sep-24 01:44 PM] laaxus#0000 guys, this is #agp-operations [20-Sep-24 01:44 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 We know... [20-Sep-24 01:44 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 you can pin important stuff, btw. [20-Sep-24 01:44 PM] kynadre#0000 let's move to #associate-offtopic [20-Sep-24 01:44 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 LOL [20-Sep-24 01:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 jva;er said it was fine [20-Sep-24 01:45 PM] kynadre#0000 in some way it's relevant to show the logistical knowledge but it's also def. filling this placeup [20-Sep-24 01:45 PM] kynadre#0000 def don't wanna stop talking just wanna shift it [20-Sep-24 01:45 PM] laaxus#0000 sorry guys, this was the organisation freak part of me speaking [20-Sep-24 01:45 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 it's hard to share the info... You need some relation with other things people might have experience in... Eve Online gets you a ton... Foxhole gets you so much more... {Reactions} 💯 [20-Sep-24 01:46 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Logistics in Prun... is an idling sort of thing... You might have experience in Screeps... but I haven't seen anyone else in this game, who likes Screeps... [20-Sep-24 01:47 PM] kynadre#0000 the critical difference between "I can sell rocks for some money while I'm having a drink after work" and "the supply and demand for this critical thing is all borked so no one can afford hot planets, but if I do XYZ I can address that shortcoming; now how much does that take to build, supply, haul..." [20-Sep-24 01:47 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ^ Yes. [20-Sep-24 01:47 PM] kynadre#0000 what's screeps? [20-Sep-24 01:47 PM] kynadre#0000 time to Google! [20-Sep-24 01:47 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 search it on steam. {Reactions} 👍 [20-Sep-24 01:48 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Screeps is what Prun would like to be, at some point in time. [20-Sep-24 01:48 PM] kynadre#0000 Neat [20-Sep-24 01:48 PM] kynadre#0000 Also if you guys ever want to try Poch mining you're welcome to join me. We're raining in merc. People even c-type it cuz they can't be arsed with logistics (the horror!) also spod. Spodddd [20-Sep-24 01:48 PM] kynadre#0000 I run my own neut-friendly fleets basically all the time that I can [20-Sep-24 01:49 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I had to basically cut-off EVE, since they changed their game-engine architecture, at least once, and their APIs, at least three times. {Reactions} pandaOuch [20-Sep-24 01:50 PM] kynadre#0000 Yeah, and they just reworked a bunch of production stuff yet again to make Ravvworks guys have to redesign... basically if you don't spreadsheet and update yourself, you've got bad data. Have to learn our own planning [20-Sep-24 01:50 PM] kynadre#0000 janice still valid (hate the URL tho) [20-Sep-24 01:51 PM] manhim#0000 I cut off Eve cause I have a slight tendency to push things into the extremes D: and I don't have the time anymore to do what I'd like to be doing {Reactions} this [20-Sep-24 01:51 PM] kynadre#0000 resisting the impulses and the urge to do more than we can... oh God, it's so difficult sometimes [20-Sep-24 01:51 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ^ RooksandKings -- same issue [20-Sep-24 01:51 PM] manhim#0000 I think I had 24 characters by myself at some points [20-Sep-24 01:51 PM] kynadre#0000 Players will very gleefully and willfully burn themselves out with no awareness of how much that actually costs them as people behind the screen [20-Sep-24 01:51 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 extremely niche gameplay, extremely efficient, but RL came in. {Reactions} 💯 (2) [20-Sep-24 01:51 PM] kynadre#0000 or that they're even capable of burning out [20-Sep-24 01:52 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Those "burn outs" happen in Prun as well... You just don't notice them. [20-Sep-24 01:52 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Trying to get to grips with the PRUN planner. If i have 5 food processor slots, is this the correct wy to set up the jobs to represent 4 jobs for rations and 1 for drinking water? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286761933562712084/firefox_RwI6s9anpW.png?ex=6815146f&is=6813c2ef&hm=1daaf8630a99a0f3581721ed6c3116522551c1d3b51592449e0eb983ac50b564& [20-Sep-24 01:52 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 No. [20-Sep-24 01:53 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You see the number bars, above your que slots? [20-Sep-24 01:53 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You've got x4, of 4 RAT jobs, + x7, of one DW job. [20-Sep-24 01:54 PM] cruelcoin#0000 More correct? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286762501912133702/firefox_qiXqXFnV1u.png?ex=681514f7&is=6813c377&hm=ff728bddc9e33878d7d7a0543d8a92778fc929621acce1174dcd348e9ba47c99& [20-Sep-24 01:55 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Revoke the RAT job to 1 que order... And then add 3 more... [20-Sep-24 01:55 PM] kynadre#0000 Aha, that makes sense ROH, I'd been wondering the same thing but forgot to ask [20-Sep-24 01:55 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I still use the depreciated Prunner software (local instance, instead of Cloud-based).... [20-Sep-24 01:56 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You want to balance out your I/O's based off of 1 que order, of each recipe instance... And then adjust from there. {Reactions} 👍 [20-Sep-24 01:56 PM] cruelcoin#0000 How about now? 5 food processors, of which 4 are running rations, 1 DW {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286762969010671646/firefox_PuUwP7Pb7H.png?ex=68151566&is=6813c3e6&hm=fc6230d1987efda5eeb0a585526c4660a5b768c741537e7469d4ee8efb76932c& {Reactions} 👍 [20-Sep-24 01:56 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Adjust from there. [20-Sep-24 01:57 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Ok thanks [20-Sep-24 01:57 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 FPs cycle fast though... Other things are different. [20-Sep-24 01:57 PM] manhim#0000 You have 2 DW and 3 RAT [20-Sep-24 01:57 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Yeah typo again, thanks [20-Sep-24 01:57 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 He does! [20-Sep-24 02:00 PM] cruelcoin#0000 If i wanted 3 x 4 grain, 3 x 4 beans, 1 x 12 nuts, and for them to repeat ad infinitum, is this the correct way to make the jobs? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286763952231026789/prun_zVk1dGNZhB.png?ex=68151651&is=6813c4d1&hm=000f6cc68f05d78192e065fe315dca2b3177fba76c10e105febd9072d88fde30& [20-Sep-24 02:01 PM] cruelcoin#0000 If you have multiple recurring jobs, does the game cycle through them in order top to bottom? [20-Sep-24 02:05 PM] cruelcoin#0000 And is this the correct way to represent that in PRUN {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286765093693947955/firefox_rOOsI1Sqdu.png?ex=68151761&is=6813c5e1&hm=1fdc4324b1acdfe33ef4764f70849a9796b521d4ca8cdcd07eac7b6d20ff12f3& [20-Sep-24 02:10 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Correct... The cyclic rates will average out over time, so don't worry too much about them. [20-Sep-24 02:10 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 First in, First out... {Reactions} 👍 [20-Sep-24 02:11 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Cheers [20-Sep-24 02:11 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Turns out i'm making far too much water on my home base. [20-Sep-24 02:11 PM] cruelcoin#0000 This is a cool tool. {Reactions} 💯 [20-Sep-24 02:12 PM] kynadre#0000 plus you can see how much the value of excess is vs. how much it weighs to ship [20-Sep-24 02:12 PM] kynadre#0000 figure out how much extra can be managed in a ship trip or how much you're making to begin with, whether it's 1 haul or more than 1 haul, whether you feel it's worth sending excess to market vs. expanding the farms... [20-Sep-24 02:12 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Your choice merely depends if you like cloud-based stuff (Prunplanner), or local stuff (depreciated Prunner). [20-Sep-24 02:13 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's all the same, even still. {Reactions} 👍 [20-Sep-24 02:13 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Learn the ratios, for the production. [20-Sep-24 02:14 PM] kynadre#0000 plus super valuable to test different ideas against each other [20-Sep-24 02:14 PM] kynadre#0000 maybe something increases your profit by 5k overall, but requires 30k more in costs to do so, like, you can finally visualize those different choices and work out whether the "increased value" is something you can even afford to do [20-Sep-24 02:18 PM] cruelcoin#0000 I'm presuming the AL entries are for antares station? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286768542171009181/firefox_zUjBlCoVOi.png?ex=68151a97&is=6813c917&hm=8b8f218061bf49b9b8e7ca830d6949c68ef09d4c9756f83655d0edc1f07364a1& [20-Sep-24 02:19 PM] kynadre#0000 I think so, good to have confirmed [20-Sep-24 02:26 PM] jvaler#0000 that's AI not Al :P stands for antares initiative, and is the marker used for antares station ingame {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286770470808584202/image.png?ex=681473a3&is=68132223&hm=a6956cad451cddad3c4e09c769e182aa8d511657959e0c53c85f2b2afd22567f& {Reactions} 👍 (2) [20-Sep-24 02:32 PM] kynadre#0000 so IC's the boys in green and C1's the reds, and NC's the yellow bellies across the diagonal, right? [20-Sep-24 02:43 PM] jcheung#0000 This [20-Sep-24 02:43 PM] jcheung#0000 Is equal to this [20-Sep-24 02:43 PM] jcheung#0000 But the second is harder to read {Reactions} 👍 [21-Sep-24 03:31 AM] cruelcoin#0000 On the way {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286968047126708224/ScreenHunter_10.jpg?ex=681482e5&is=68133165&hm=9a6b28ddee7d11c17a474aa177301a89263426e23abcae2e47654f7a198c66d9& [21-Sep-24 03:31 AM] cruelcoin#0000 🫡 [21-Sep-24 03:32 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Dear lord that was expensive. And thank god for the PRUNplanner. That would have been a nightmare without. [21-Sep-24 03:34 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Current plan: 1 - caffeine beans base (eta 12hrs) 2 - Rig base to make just enough water for the caffeine base needs (eta 12hrs) 3 - Once i gather enough funds, base 3 for coffee production. (eta 20 days approx) 4 - expand into ale production on base 3 (eta 40 days approx) 5 - Scale all three in line with eachother. [21-Sep-24 03:38 AM] cruelcoin#0000 That troll 250k from yesterday (have to be pro to accept troll) came in quite in handy! [21-Sep-24 04:28 AM] realharvey#0000 I would advise you to max out a base before you build a new one [21-Sep-24 04:28 AM] realharvey#0000 There is enough water supply at the CX [21-Sep-24 05:13 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I wish i had PRUN a little earlier. I can go from 25k profit to 31.5k profit just by removing 1 farm, building 2 more food processors and adding coffee...... [21-Sep-24 05:13 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Ugh [21-Sep-24 05:24 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Sooo, since nobody likes my idea of bringing more CU to the market, let's do, what everybody does: MINE AL! 😜 (sarcastically) But in all seriousness: I get the point. As @kynadre pointed out, there is a reason CU is so expensive and it might be just a bit to early for to setup that industry. So no hurt feelings on this side. 😄 Therefore: Let's make plan B to plan A: Build up Deimos and smelt AL. I currently still have a lot of space left on Deimos, so it makes sense to fill up those first. For the beginning I would go with a 6 EXT to 13 SME ratio. I would practically produce nearly all my ALO myself and need just a bit to top it off, or could smelt something else for higher profits. This would give me around 4.000 AIC extra profit per day. If the market shifts along the lines or I expand into other industries I might switch that up later. With the current prices, this would give me a daily profit of around 42.000 AIC with a production of 114 AL per day. Since y'all love spreedsheets I will append some with the expected construction costs and weekly supplies I would need for the base. I ends up roughly around 1 mil, so would use up the grand completely. I still like the idea of extracting CUO. I will further investigate into that topic, but I will be probably my third base at the earliest - provided the CU market is not gonna crash until then. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286996421555388486/deimos-building-costs.png?ex=68149d52&is=68134bd2&hm=0ba449f3c610343e51416a2836cf0dfa6c0b2b28ffebc17fe5f740c7af4f90a5& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1286996422125686834/deimos-supplies.png?ex=68149d52&is=68134bd2&hm=f0bf8aa8160dd10d5355869c049f44eb7ef6bb13bf3fe48ab7bfa35f01b98f85& [21-Sep-24 05:28 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Other then that, I would love to contribute to the market in a meaningful way. I still don't have the overview of how all the different materials and production lines are interconnected and how the current supplies are covered. [21-Sep-24 05:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 If there are markets, that need more suppliers, I'm open to look into them. Other then that, I will try to check how the situation on CX is and return with ideas 😋 [21-Sep-24 06:30 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You won't get an overview... Spend 2 weeks on dredging through the BUI buffers, in-game. [21-Sep-24 06:33 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The matrix multiplication tools (Prunplanner) are helpful... But they won't mean much if you don't learn the essentials, via the PRUN APEX wiki (googol it), the PCT wiki (https://pct.fnar.net), and traverse the game data through https://fio.fnar.net + https://aeryen23.github.io/yapt/#/planetsearch {Reactions} pandaheart [21-Sep-24 06:37 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Contributing to a market is a possibility.. But unless you know what you're doing, you'll likely be taken advantage of, by someone else. [21-Sep-24 06:58 AM] realharvey#0000 Hey there! While I understand that it is cool, to figure stuff out with your own spreadsheets it makes it way more complicated for other folks to figure out if you did everything right with your calculations. We want to give players a headstart with grants and with that headstart we want so insure that you get a reliable steady income stream, that can fund your other fun adventures and ideas and make you participate in the universe in a meaningfull way. I personally want to see a Plan in Prunplanner to agree and fund a base. There I can look at key-indicators to make sure, that what you are doing is a) profitable enough. b) has a reasonable return on investment time. c) starter ships can handle a full base of what you are doing and d) there is enough demand in the universe and it's not a short profit adventure. This is just my opinion on this. Other here might have other takes and thats cool. I'd just highly recommend getting used to prunplanner because it is a super powerfull tool and you can see in a super short timeframe wether something is worth doing or not. And it also directly points out what shipping burden that base will put onto you. [21-Sep-24 07:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 sure, no problem 😉 the base is planned in PrunPlanner, so sending some screenshots of what I cooked there. [21-Sep-24 07:01 AM] realharvey#0000 please click on share on the top right corner {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1287020995051261962/image.png?ex=6814b434&is=681362b4&hm=629df4d28e747e1d81f287f80197482b64568265617610d98ab7eda87a5fca1a& [21-Sep-24 07:02 AM] realharvey#0000 you can generate a link for us there [21-Sep-24 07:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/79440c14-7f42-44ff-991a-f8ac074843e6 (didn't know the feature, sorry) {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/79440c14-7f42-44ff-991a-f8ac074843e6 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [21-Sep-24 07:09 AM] realharvey#0000 thank you for sharing! I see you have not planned any Storage into your plan. Your base will only have 1500/1500 Storage then and you are handling quite heavy stuff [21-Sep-24 07:09 AM] realharvey#0000 This is a screenshot of my AL-Smelting bases and how much Storage I use {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1287022922308780153/image.png?ex=6814b600&is=68136480&hm=9f78314bca9ff1d7be066cc404b8dd3a8f19c2a70d46fd82a1f8df9120f00f46& [21-Sep-24 07:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Storage isn't simulated in the planner, is it? So I have to figure out myself how much I might need? (except of course your recommendation) [21-Sep-24 07:11 AM] realharvey#0000 it shows in the overview {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1287023443837190286/image.png?ex=6814b67c&is=681364fc&hm=59b873329066f25796413db28f85bbedcb774ea88394ba818d680795c17d93ba& [21-Sep-24 07:11 AM] realharvey#0000 you can press on the blue button there [21-Sep-24 07:11 AM] realharvey#0000 it shows you additional information [21-Sep-24 07:12 AM] realharvey#0000 It shows you storage and Shipping frequency {Reactions} 😍 [21-Sep-24 07:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I see... [21-Sep-24 07:12 AM] realharvey#0000 this is why I love prunplanner. It shows stuff that you might oversee in own spreadsheets [21-Sep-24 07:13 AM] pxlfox.#0000 No I feel dumb, but thank you for that info 🙈 [21-Sep-24 07:14 AM] realharvey#0000 no need to feel dumb. This game is very in depth and we all made that mistakes [21-Sep-24 07:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But as far as I see just one storage building should be enough to buffer materials till a ship comes by to export [21-Sep-24 07:14 AM] realharvey#0000 I still do mistakes. I build a new base and totally forgot consumables while I totally stocked up on everything else.. 😂 [21-Sep-24 07:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 could remove a SME, still on 40.000 profit per day [21-Sep-24 07:15 AM] realharvey#0000 your base would work even without. But it would be very vulnerble and you cant overstock some items then [21-Sep-24 07:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 building and stocking price didn't change much [21-Sep-24 07:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 then I have a bit of ALO overflow, but could dump it into the local market (on Deimos there are probably enough people, who will buy it), or ship it to CX [21-Sep-24 07:18 AM] realharvey#0000 CX prices are usally better for ALO [21-Sep-24 07:18 AM] realharvey#0000 so if you have space on your ship [21-Sep-24 07:19 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Can I tick the Corporation HQ Bonus? [21-Sep-24 07:19 AM] realharvey#0000 no [21-Sep-24 07:19 AM] realharvey#0000 It's not your "company HQ" [21-Sep-24 07:20 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ah, ok [21-Sep-24 07:20 AM] realharvey#0000 a corporation is something else in game [21-Sep-24 07:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 yeah, so one SME less and a STO for buffer. Other then that same plan. [21-Sep-24 07:21 AM] realharvey#0000 yup. Solid plan and should give you green light for a grant [21-Sep-24 07:21 AM] realharvey#0000 I am currently short on cash, so gotta wait for someone that is more liquid to read up here :) [21-Sep-24 07:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Sure - have to get pro first. I have to go now, but somebody can send the contract. I will upgrade my license later to accept it 🙂 [21-Sep-24 08:48 AM] sidepipe#0000 I’ve got the cash if you wanna send me a contract for it - just sell me a RAT for 1M AIC at Antares Station 🙂 [21-Sep-24 08:49 AM] sidepipe#0000 Wait - let me see if I can figure out how to send it on mobile [21-Sep-24 08:50 AM] sidepipe#0000 Sent - enjoy! [21-Sep-24 09:17 AM] realharvey#0000 Thank you for jumping in :) [21-Sep-24 10:53 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Hmm... [21-Sep-24 10:55 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 This idea would be sketchy, af.... But Prunplanner has those "base link" stuff, wherein you can share a Prunplanner base design, without requiring a login... We could pin, several of those, regarding planets/commodities that we'd like to push via ANT CX. [21-Sep-24 10:55 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Easy pins, easy refs, easy grants? [21-Sep-24 10:56 AM] jcheung#0000 at the same time, learning how prunplanner works is part of it {Reactions} 👆 (2) [21-Sep-24 10:56 AM] jcheung#0000 if you just give a design, the tool may not be played with as much {Reactions} 👍 [21-Sep-24 11:07 AM] kynadre#0000 For real, the discussions here to learn tools, factors, resources, how to look at plans, how to use said tools, etc., are even more valuable than the grants for the new players [21-Sep-24 11:08 AM] kynadre#0000 I've learned a ridiculous amount here [21-Sep-24 11:08 AM] kynadre#0000 having the grant as the catalyst for those intentful learning conversations is fantastic [21-Sep-24 11:28 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You only get that here, since there's like a rapid turnover of convos. [21-Sep-24 11:28 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Easy come, easy go, post your ideas, and get pretty fast feedback on it, from many perspectives. {Reactions} 💯 [21-Sep-24 11:28 AM] kynadre#0000 Plus the opportunity to see others' discussions and learn from them, too [21-Sep-24 12:57 PM] jcheung#0000 Yeah. And don't take the first perspective only, shop around a bit. My views might be a lot different than say, roh {Reactions} 👍 [21-Sep-24 01:05 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Oh yeah, we're like on the opposite sides of the aisle. [21-Sep-24 01:06 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Although you gotta pick something eventually. It's why you went to the store. 😛 [21-Sep-24 01:10 PM] kynadre#0000 >>; some of us enjoy window shopping... the research, planning, and thinking is the fun XDDDD [21-Sep-24 02:02 PM] pxlfox.#0000 thank youuuu 🥳 [21-Sep-24 02:03 PM] pxlfox.#0000 is it welcome to post progress updates here? Or are you just trust me I use the money correctly? 😜 [21-Sep-24 02:03 PM] jcheung#0000 Probably up in #associate-office is fine i would guess [21-Sep-24 02:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 Well, you can use it however you want - the money is yours. But you’re more than welcome to post updates or ask questions anytime 🙂 [21-Sep-24 02:22 PM] tanda#0000 remember to hit up #internal-offers to do a good chunk of your shopping [21-Sep-24 02:22 PM] tanda#0000 make that grant go farther [21-Sep-24 02:23 PM] pxlfox.#0000 How to? I just put up a list with the things I need (copy & pasted from PrunPlanner into a todo list for easy management) - should I just post like "I need x of y - who does sell good?" [21-Sep-24 02:24 PM] tanda#0000 you can use discords search function on internal offers to see who sells what, then contract them in game and @ping them here in the #trading channel [21-Sep-24 02:25 PM] pxlfox.#0000 ok, gonna try it for all things more than 100 units. [21-Sep-24 02:44 PM] jcheung#0000 I would do it for smaller amounts too [21-Sep-24 02:44 PM] jcheung#0000 Especially for stuff that's like 1200/u {Reactions} 👍 [21-Sep-24 04:33 PM] kahetabi#0000 Who I can contact to setup a prun plan and apply for grant? [21-Sep-24 04:35 PM] tanda#0000 1) look around a bit and see if there's anything you want to do 2) learn how to use PRUN planner 3) copy your base plan here and open up the floor to discussion [21-Sep-24 04:35 PM] tanda#0000 someone will handle the grant after that [21-Sep-24 04:44 PM] kahetabi#0000 Ok [21-Sep-24 05:05 PM] kahetabi#0000 how to get more area permit? [21-Sep-24 05:07 PM] tanda#0000 upgrading your HQ [21-Sep-24 05:07 PM] tanda#0000 type HQ into a new buffer to see what that entails [21-Sep-24 05:08 PM] kahetabi#0000 Oh [21-Sep-24 05:11 PM] tanda#0000 you do start off with two permits. That means you can get your second base without having to upgrade your HQ {Reactions} 👍 [21-Sep-24 05:16 PM] kahetabi#0000 I'm thinking about building as much as I can on base planet and then moving into other planets [21-Sep-24 05:18 PM] tanda#0000 that is the best idea. The AGP grant will definitely max out a planet doing most starter professions, which helps keep your transport issues down until about planet 3-4 {Reactions} 👍 [21-Sep-24 05:20 PM] kahetabi#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/6f94ec2d-d6dd-4ad1-9a4e-b48ac4581e45 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/6f94ec2d-d6dd-4ad1-9a4e-b48ac4581e45 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [21-Sep-24 05:21 PM] tanda#0000 Alright, a couple things [21-Sep-24 05:22 PM] tanda#0000 COGCs (Chamber of Global Commerce) are a player ran building that specializes planets by giving a 25% boost to productivity for a given industry. It helps a lot to follow these as best as you can usually. Harmonia's is set to Agriculture, which benefits FRMs {Reactions} 👍 [21-Sep-24 05:22 PM] tanda#0000 I do like the FPs mixed with FRMs, it gives you a more readily sellable product and you can always move your FPs to Norwick when you're ready to expand further {Reactions} 👍 [21-Sep-24 05:23 PM] tanda#0000 I do not recommend running INC or Rigs on Harmonia [21-Sep-24 05:24 PM] tanda#0000 it's usually cheaper to buy water off the CX and import it, and you'll make more money with the FRMs/FPs than you will save with a RIG [21-Sep-24 05:24 PM] kahetabi#0000 It's just to burn the surplus [21-Sep-24 05:25 PM] tanda#0000 you can skip that particular step and just export or sell the surplus. If you make sure it's just surplus GRN I guarantee you'll find a market for it locally [21-Sep-24 05:25 PM] tanda#0000 someone will buy and ship it out to be burned on Nascent {Reactions} 👍 [21-Sep-24 05:26 PM] kahetabi#0000 This way i can focus experts only on 2 categories [21-Sep-24 05:26 PM] tanda#0000 yes, and you'll get the biggest boost out of the COGC [21-Sep-24 05:29 PM] kynadre#0000 experts get way stronger the more of the same kind you have, it's always good to focus one expert type at a planet, and then there's one spare leftover [21-Sep-24 05:29 PM] kahetabi#0000 H2O prices have been going up for past month [21-Sep-24 05:30 PM] kynadre#0000 there's value in not having to import huge quantities of a resource that can be acquired locally, to be fair, though [21-Sep-24 05:31 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1287179302143787151/image.png?ex=68149ee4&is=68134d64&hm=be76d31040d825aa97e7adf9eec4def427fc709ea8723ec6edebff9e33d0bc15& [21-Sep-24 05:31 PM] kahetabi#0000 Having only FRM and FP's would mean to import almost 250 units of water a day [21-Sep-24 05:31 PM] tanda#0000 I believe this is one of the top 5 most water hungry FRMs you can do [21-Sep-24 05:31 PM] tanda#0000 it only needs to import about every 10 days [21-Sep-24 05:34 PM] tanda#0000 oh on second look, let's start out with a single permit setup? [21-Sep-24 05:34 PM] tanda#0000 you've budgeted for 3 permits here [21-Sep-24 05:34 PM] kahetabi#0000 Got 2 already [21-Sep-24 05:35 PM] tanda#0000 unless you have already overbuilt the 500 area cap, you can use that for your next base [21-Sep-24 05:35 PM] tanda#0000 multi-permiting a base provides diminished returns after the first one, halving the available area you can get from a permit [21-Sep-24 05:36 PM] kahetabi#0000 So 2 permits for first base and then only 1 per planet? [21-Sep-24 05:37 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Uhm. [21-Sep-24 05:37 PM] jvaler#0000 1 permit per base to maximize how much area you get from them. the first permit you spend gets you 475 area, but the 2nd and 3rd expansions only get you 250 area {Reactions} 👍 [21-Sep-24 05:39 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Newer players, have a discrete incentive to multi-permit, in the short term --- they get to cut down on logistics requirements for here and there, by concentrating stuff on discrete material compression processes. Read into it what you will. Beyond a certain point though, you should just buy PRO, buy more ships and do the 1 permit per base thing... Basic licensees are exempt from this rule, since they have limits. {Reactions} 👍 [21-Sep-24 05:40 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1287181729064550483/image.png?ex=6814a126&is=68134fa6&hm=d3b7024b37db0ed07a93cdb24203f145dd582f463cca8f2a230de75888c75f9c& [21-Sep-24 05:41 PM] tanda#0000 Here is a 2 permit plan, with 4 AG experts, 2 Food Industries, producing minimal overproduction on AG products [21-Sep-24 05:42 PM] tanda#0000 If you drop producing DW locally, it actually nets you 1k more profit a day [21-Sep-24 05:43 PM] tanda#0000 and you'd have to build 2 fewer FPs and 1 fewer HAB [21-Sep-24 05:44 PM] kahetabi#0000 Thanks for now, I'll go to sleep and rethink it tomorrow [21-Sep-24 05:45 PM] kahetabi#0000 Importing H2O seems better idea for now [21-Sep-24 05:46 PM] kahetabi#0000 Maybe I'll make second base to rig it {Reactions} 👍 [21-Sep-24 05:46 PM] kahetabi#0000 Gnight [21-Sep-24 05:46 PM] tanda#0000 good night! [22-Sep-24 12:27 AM] archielvahr#0000 Lemme know when you are ready for your grant, I have lots of money! I have been too slow and missed my chance to send grants lately! [22-Sep-24 07:43 AM] kahetabi#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/6f94ec2d-d6dd-4ad1-9a4e-b48ac4581e45 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/6f94ec2d-d6dd-4ad1-9a4e-b48ac4581e45 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [22-Sep-24 07:46 AM] kahetabi#0000 Basically this plan without [22-Sep-24 07:52 AM] kahetabi#0000 Next, either boucher or etherwind, idk [22-Sep-24 08:48 AM] tanda#0000 looks pretty solid to me. Local water source would be Ice Station Alpha on SE-110c [22-Sep-24 09:08 AM] kahetabi#0000 Oh, that didn't appear in planet search [22-Sep-24 09:10 AM] kahetabi#0000 Good idea [22-Sep-24 09:12 AM] tanda#0000 that one also has the benefit of being right next to large sources of water consumption as well [22-Sep-24 09:12 AM] tanda#0000 so you should be able to sell excess water production [22-Sep-24 09:15 AM] kahetabi#0000 Approx cost of setting up a base at ice station is 172k [22-Sep-24 09:18 AM] kahetabi#0000 Maybe I'll even be able to build it within granted money sinc I'll be ordering building materials at lower price [22-Sep-24 09:24 AM] sidepipe#0000 Thanks to whoever entered my donation into the sheet last night - I completely forgot 😄 [22-Sep-24 09:26 AM] kahetabi#0000 There's also a planet- Norwick close with food production COGC program, so I could swap from mixing both on Harmonia [22-Sep-24 09:26 AM] laaxus#0000 in the future, not now [22-Sep-24 09:28 AM] kahetabi#0000 You don't say [22-Sep-24 09:28 AM] tanda#0000 there's definitly expansion options in the local area, there's even more Agri bases near by in the form of Life, Demeter, and SE-110b [22-Sep-24 09:29 AM] tanda#0000 with two more Food Processing planets at SE-110a, and Hermes [22-Sep-24 09:36 AM] jvaler#0000 😇 {Reactions} 🫶 [22-Sep-24 09:37 AM] farnite#0000 Woot first fuel delivery to CX {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1287422490460684372/image.png?ex=6814d8a0&is=68138720&hm=1445b1933d579ca15f2c7bba1fa2d2ff0e477c6b9804afb54528bbe34baa2b9f& [22-Sep-24 09:38 AM] tanda#0000 and it's already gone, look at that [22-Sep-24 09:44 AM] jvaler#0000 wtf fuel is at 20/u??? [22-Sep-24 09:44 AM] jvaler#0000 damn [22-Sep-24 09:45 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah FF really went up in price [22-Sep-24 09:45 AM] laaxus#0000 SF is at 16 stable still [22-Sep-24 09:46 AM] laaxus#0000 Even at 20, FF is the less profitable recipe for REF [22-Sep-24 09:54 AM] kahetabi#0000 I guess I'm ready [22-Sep-24 10:04 AM] archielvahr#0000 Awesome, I'm sending the grant now! [22-Sep-24 11:40 AM] jcheung#0000 Wait, what, i thought ff mm was at like 16 [22-Sep-24 11:40 AM] tanda#0000 they raised it like 2 weeks ago, I think [22-Sep-24 11:40 AM] jcheung#0000 That was sf [22-Sep-24 11:41 AM] jcheung#0000 Guess i was misremembering... again [22-Sep-24 12:31 PM] kynadre#0000 by "they" do you mean the devs sometimes raise value of stuff to account for cost of inputs or? [22-Sep-24 12:32 PM] kynadre#0000 cuz I did notice as a fuel start (before I restarted as metallurgy start), and the reason for restart, is that the input costs for fuel are very high for the outputs, which makes it realllly difficult for a new player any way you slice it [22-Sep-24 12:32 PM] kynadre#0000 but it also makes sense that stuff's expensive cuz you have to settle either "get trickles of it" planets as your firsts, or settle bad condition planets that ALSO need gaseous starter materials [22-Sep-24 12:33 PM] tanda#0000 https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/release-notes-maintenance-2024-03/6565 {Embed} https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/release-notes-maintenance-2024-03/6565 Release Notes - Maintenance 2024.03 Release date The APEX update release will be released on September 5th, 2024. General Notes If your APEX console is stuck in a loading state after the update, please make sure to refresh it once after the update to ensure you got the latest version. Changes Market Maker Changes BUYING: CCD 55000 → 61000 RED 45000 → 50000 SRD 53000 → 59000... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1KRy1Uh_tcRBP_59Bf2opuV-IYJOaIyEckazWGbw9_A/https/com.prosperousuniverse.com/uploads/default/original/2X/2/2c52679ca1eaf9f48e529c09b6911c0cbb4255e0.png {Reactions} 👍 [22-Sep-24 12:33 PM] kynadre#0000 def. have to devote to it a bit as a follow-up to a quicker turnaround starter [22-Sep-24 12:33 PM] kynadre#0000 Thank you! [22-Sep-24 12:33 PM] tanda#0000 they do periodic maintenance patches, you can dig through them for interesting stuff {Reactions} ❤️ [22-Sep-24 12:33 PM] kynadre#0000 I'd been wondering where to find these, thank you! [22-Sep-24 12:33 PM] tanda#0000 this is the first time I've seen them touch Market Makers in a while though {Reactions} 👍 [22-Sep-24 01:19 PM] kahetabi#0000 Contract accepted [22-Sep-24 01:38 PM] kahetabi#0000 I'll send ship tomorrow to make bids [22-Sep-24 01:41 PM] kahetabi#0000 Maybe even one now, because I'll be out of weight space anyway [22-Sep-24 01:43 PM] kahetabi#0000 Construction cart, so useful [22-Sep-24 01:44 PM] archielvahr#0000 Sent the cash 😄 [22-Sep-24 01:44 PM] kahetabi#0000 Thanks [22-Sep-24 01:46 PM] kahetabi#0000 So I guess I should get all the materials, at least for main base, by the end of next week [23-Sep-24 02:34 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Morning lads. - Water base is cranking - Caffeine base is cranking - Starter ration base is optimised. Thank you so much! I did make a boo-boo in that i got to the water base and couldn't build because i hadn't upgraded my HQ beyond 2 base permits......Ugh. Back to cx i went to do buy the stuff to ship to Harmonia to do the upgrade. Got there in the end. {Reactions} 🔥 (6) [23-Sep-24 09:40 AM] kahetabi#0000 And orders placed. How often do you recommend checking them? [23-Sep-24 09:41 AM] laaxus#0000 Wdym checking ? [23-Sep-24 04:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like Orders placed on the CX? bc those will just get filled as people sell into your order [23-Sep-24 04:34 PM] kahetabi#0000 I know, but people will also outbid me, I was curious how often do I need to check orders to stay relevant [23-Sep-24 04:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 imo if you need the supplies sooner than later I would purchase from someone's sell order rather than put a buy order up [23-Sep-24 04:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but as for 'how often' it really depends on what you are buying [23-Sep-24 04:38 PM] kahetabi#0000 Building materials for now [23-Sep-24 04:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 like BBH, BDE, BSE and BTA? [23-Sep-24 04:39 PM] kahetabi#0000 Yup [23-Sep-24 04:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 or MCG [23-Sep-24 04:39 PM] kahetabi#0000 Too [23-Sep-24 04:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah I would check out #internal-offers and just buy from some one here [23-Sep-24 04:39 PM] kahetabi#0000 Oh [23-Sep-24 04:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you won't be waiting for as long [23-Sep-24 04:40 PM] kahetabi#0000 Yeah, I wanted to ask is there a way to "keep money within circle" [23-Sep-24 06:24 PM] jcheung#0000 Yeah, that's a decent spot to keep it in house [23-Sep-24 06:24 PM] jcheung#0000 Sort of [23-Sep-24 06:25 PM] jcheung#0000 Most things there are sold cheaper than market, and some things are listed at a loss [23-Sep-24 06:25 PM] jcheung#0000 .....at least what i consider to be a loss [23-Sep-24 07:49 PM] shihidosama#0000 Hey, so how does the grant program work? [23-Sep-24 07:49 PM] tanda#0000 You tell us what you want to do, show us a prunplanner, then someone critiques that plan to help you avoid newbie traps [23-Sep-24 07:50 PM] tanda#0000 afterwards, someone gives you 1mil to enact your plan and you go on a shopping spree [23-Sep-24 07:50 PM] shihidosama#0000 ok let me figure out the pruplanner then [23-Sep-24 07:50 PM] shihidosama#0000 is it ok for me to ask general gameplay questions here? cos im still figuring things out [23-Sep-24 07:52 PM] jcheung#0000 here or #associate-planning is good [23-Sep-24 07:52 PM] jcheung#0000 maybe even #associate-office {Reactions} 💯 👍 [24-Sep-24 03:30 PM] kynadre#0000 I think I've got a plan worked out for optimal CF production on Deimos, just under 15 CF a day. It perfectly uses the ALO I extract, Most cost-efficiently makes SI using the resultant AL, And both + O go into CF. CF is -unavoidably necessary- for a large variety of FTL engines (SFE, MFE, QCR, RCT), used in BWH ship shielding, and -unavoidably necessary- for THP, which is critical to TSH (hot planet colonization), and spaceship BPT plates, BFP -> ENG engines its price has been increasing steadily on market over the last 6 months, and 15 per day would not be in excess of current demand. It seems the need is steady and justifiable, and is perhaps a deterrent for hot planet colonization (TSH), as well as critical for a large # of ship parts. Especially given I now know community members who make this sort of thing, it'd be easy to set up consistent, direct trade deals over time, or myself later get into the TSH business. I recognize the import tonnage per day is a bit steep; I'm assuming that's the carbon, but I understand that'd be dumb to make locally. Future goals may be carbon farm on Verdant and a fuel farm on Harpina. Let me know your thoughts 🙏 Plan assumes 5 metallurgist experts and 1 extraction expert https://prunplanner.org/shared/3af5e33a-b9b0-4f25-a0b6-fff3ec0e5bfb {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/3af5e33a-b9b0-4f25-a0b6-fff3ec0e5bfb PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [24-Sep-24 03:33 PM] razenpok#0000 You can press this button to show the logistics breakdown {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288236839416631367/image.png?ex=6814834c&is=681331cc&hm=c1c37504069c54d21ca1073c962ce0e2c5a63a43e78c1eebeefa6262e3f26975& {Reactions} 😍 [24-Sep-24 03:35 PM] kynadre#0000 Oh interesting, it's the O tied with the SIO {Reactions} 👆 [24-Sep-24 03:35 PM] kynadre#0000 I'll play with this since O is technically a local option [24-Sep-24 03:40 PM] kynadre#0000 That plan would make almost 16 CF per day, actually https://prunplanner.org/shared/8edb0c45-2fbf-4208-b33f-66b2d462774d {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/8edb0c45-2fbf-4208-b33f-66b2d462774d PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [24-Sep-24 03:41 PM] kynadre#0000 I would need just 1 more area space to build the last HB1, lol [24-Sep-24 03:45 PM] jcheung#0000 Should consider a STO [24-Sep-24 03:45 PM] kynadre#0000 what's an STO? [24-Sep-24 03:45 PM] jcheung#0000 Under HB5 [24-Sep-24 03:45 PM] jcheung#0000 Storage [24-Sep-24 03:45 PM] kynadre#0000 OH yes [24-Sep-24 03:45 PM] jcheung#0000 Helps with sanity [24-Sep-24 03:46 PM] kynadre#0000 Yeah, that makes sense [24-Sep-24 03:48 PM] kynadre#0000 I can't figure out where that is on the plan config page; newbie error [24-Sep-24 03:48 PM] jcheung#0000 Here [24-Sep-24 03:48 PM] jcheung#0000 Or right of? [24-Sep-24 03:48 PM] kynadre#0000 OH yes there we go [24-Sep-24 03:48 PM] jcheung#0000 In that area [24-Sep-24 03:48 PM] kynadre#0000 Bless ❤️ [24-Sep-24 03:48 PM] kynadre#0000 ah RIP there isn't enough room for STO in either plan, just barely [24-Sep-24 03:49 PM] kynadre#0000 I'll make more copies and add [24-Sep-24 03:50 PM] jcheung#0000 I would trim an EXT and see if a SME can be placed {Reactions} 👍 [24-Sep-24 03:50 PM] jcheung#0000 Importing ALO isn't the worst thing [24-Sep-24 03:50 PM] kynadre#0000 the proportions of the EXT and SME are balanced with each other so I don't have to import or buy any ALO or AL, but that does make sense [24-Sep-24 03:51 PM] kynadre#0000 was just thinking of import weights [24-Sep-24 03:51 PM] jcheung#0000 Yeah. But you still get the bulk of your ALO this way, and just need to top off {Reactions} 👍 [24-Sep-24 03:51 PM] kynadre#0000 plus all the local producers [24-Sep-24 03:52 PM] kynadre#0000 That's a good point, since so many people are mining ALO here anyway [24-Sep-24 03:54 PM] kynadre#0000 Oh God that makes things look really gross, profit stays the same if I cut out EXTs and go up to 20 SMEs but import goes up to 400 m3 and almost 600t per day [24-Sep-24 03:55 PM] jcheung#0000 Right, which is why i said trim one EXT [24-Sep-24 03:55 PM] jcheung#0000 Keeps it sub 300t [24-Sep-24 03:55 PM] kynadre#0000 Yeah, makes sense [24-Sep-24 03:55 PM] jcheung#0000 Which is still like. A starter every other day. Less if you get someobe else to get you ALO locally [24-Sep-24 03:56 PM] kynadre#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/09170f7a-d987-4733-a28d-3545539ad1e5 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/09170f7a-d987-4733-a28d-3545539ad1e5 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [24-Sep-24 03:56 PM] kynadre#0000 ^ one EXT trimmed to add two storage [24-Sep-24 03:59 PM] kynadre#0000 Here's the same applied to the plan that includes local O production https://prunplanner.org/shared/d5d78d5f-1f6f-4a9c-bdb2-3baf8d808270 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/d5d78d5f-1f6f-4a9c-bdb2-3baf8d808270 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [24-Sep-24 04:00 PM] jcheung#0000 I don't recommend local O [24-Sep-24 04:00 PM] kynadre#0000 Yeah, I can see that. It drastically affects shipping tonnage but it does reduce profit once STO is added in [24-Sep-24 04:00 PM] jcheung#0000 It's not like the worst thing, but if you're going to extract, ALO is arguably better [24-Sep-24 04:01 PM] kynadre#0000 my main consideration there was how steep the import logistical demand was for it [24-Sep-24 04:01 PM] jcheung#0000 You're pro right? [24-Sep-24 04:01 PM] kynadre#0000 yes [24-Sep-24 04:01 PM] jcheung#0000 I can see if i can simply ship in O for you if you're interested [24-Sep-24 04:02 PM] kynadre#0000 I mean, that's a fair point that shipping contracts are a very valid way to address this [24-Sep-24 04:02 PM] kynadre#0000 funny thing is, playing with the numbers, my profits and revenues can maintain pretty well [24-Sep-24 04:13 PM] kynadre#0000 2COL, 3EXT, 14SME + 1x STO -> import 80/145, rev/profit 87k/43k, ROI 833k / 19d 4EXT, 15SME + 1x STO -> import 150/240, rev/profit 102k/47k, ROI 840k / 18d [24-Sep-24 04:20 PM] kynadre#0000 2COL 3EXT 14SME 2STO: https://prunplanner.org/shared/d5d78d5f-1f6f-4a9c-bdb2-3baf8d808270 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288248809075380266/image.png?ex=68148e72&is=68133cf2&hm=19c89df8c0aaea44b5a7f66efba5cb6074e901d5232574fb69ad265ec2a42a44& {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/d5d78d5f-1f6f-4a9c-bdb2-3baf8d808270 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [24-Sep-24 04:21 PM] kynadre#0000 2COL 4EXT 13SME 1STO: https://prunplanner.org/shared/8edb0c45-2fbf-4208-b33f-66b2d462774d {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288248914750996520/image.png?ex=68148e8b&is=68133d0b&hm=d1b489e5c4e89cc514109e7741840b6eeb4d263a8766b1b45f43493e2777c7f1& {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/8edb0c45-2fbf-4208-b33f-66b2d462774d PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [24-Sep-24 04:21 PM] kynadre#0000 4EXT 14SME 2STO: https://prunplanner.org/shared/09170f7a-d987-4733-a28d-3545539ad1e5 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288248996971937894/image.png?ex=68148e9f&is=68133d1f&hm=58ef906cd419118e02942178f14a629ea3d995721406f41ab50cd07307e296ae& {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/09170f7a-d987-4733-a28d-3545539ad1e5 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [24-Sep-24 04:21 PM] kynadre#0000 4EXT 15SME 1STO: https://prunplanner.org/shared/3af5e33a-b9b0-4f25-a0b6-fff3ec0e5bfb {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288249094430523524/image.png?ex=68148eb6&is=68133d36&hm=0e5444449bfa7242c97db4c6c3eb99e86e73b93555a9b59ff99c43cabc2d5a44& {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/3af5e33a-b9b0-4f25-a0b6-fff3ec0e5bfb PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [24-Sep-24 04:22 PM] kynadre#0000 Each plan exactly makes enough AL for needs for CF / SI, imports SIO and a little ALO [24-Sep-24 04:24 PM] kynadre#0000 The 2COL 4EXT 13SME 1STO plan is making the most sense to me across the board, both for drastic reductions in import M3/T, maintenance of profit margins [24-Sep-24 04:25 PM] kynadre#0000 all the other plans' increased revenues are eaten up in increased material costs that have to be imported [24-Sep-24 04:31 PM] kynadre#0000 links added for each plan test [24-Sep-24 04:32 PM] kynadre#0000 ultimately the 4EXT 15SME 1STO makes slightly more profit (and 1.5 more CF per day, 18.5 instead of 16.5 or 17) but it does require a lot of importing, Whichever way I go with Deimos, I'd likely set up my next bases to support the SIO and C needs (and fuel, and food) to reduce cost [24-Sep-24 04:35 PM] kynadre#0000 Appreciate you guys taking the time here and definitely appreciate the advice ❤️ [24-Sep-24 04:36 PM] kynadre#0000 It's extremely good practice to look at these variables and experiment with different ideas. [24-Sep-24 04:43 PM] kynadre#0000 as it is though here's what pure smelting looks like for CF... not a good move shipping-wise [24-Sep-24 04:47 PM] manhim#0000 How would it look like if you'd source your AL or SI elsewhere so you can dedicate more of your production capacity on CF? [24-Sep-24 04:48 PM] kynadre#0000 Like so https://prunplanner.org/shared/c7298687-53f7-43aa-a0bd-b4d1cbf032e8 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288255759318122557/image.png?ex=681494eb&is=6813436b&hm=4c8f546b245b78ddcaf7dcdd988e551738f0f04acdb2e70f18d66a686318fa71& {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/c7298687-53f7-43aa-a0bd-b4d1cbf032e8 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [24-Sep-24 04:48 PM] kynadre#0000 both screenshots expand sorry it cuts off, I'll post each separate [24-Sep-24 04:48 PM] kynadre#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288255869561339986/image.png?ex=68149505&is=68134385&hm=771ae00ba111c149de7d296f3b06c7d5e414476be020dd60915d63b5e76f1b41& [24-Sep-24 04:49 PM] kynadre#0000 that's with two STOs [24-Sep-24 04:51 PM] kynadre#0000 all plans maximize area use as best I could, within 10 of 500cap [24-Sep-24 04:52 PM] kynadre#0000 Also there's no planet with both ALO and SIO (more than a trickle) with an extraction COGC, so that'd be breaking new ground, essentially. Would have to be a long-term plan [24-Sep-24 04:54 PM] kynadre#0000 This is what that survey looks like sorting by distance to Antares {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288257317346742373/image.png?ex=6814965f&is=681344df&hm=50ce9e9d7335a107c3623cb99e6bde53c922d52c235029baf946cf1da1437934& [24-Sep-24 04:55 PM] kynadre#0000 some opportunity bonus minerals if I plan separate planets, just that'll take a while to get to [24-Sep-24 04:58 PM] kynadre#0000 makes sense as a future growth / adaptation opportunity once I've got more and bigger ships, can support dedicated extraction planets, etc. The current plan is as my first planet fill-out before I look at making a 2nd base, accounting for using starter ships + making it free/basic friendly (as a just in case) [24-Sep-24 05:03 PM] kynadre#0000 Oh yeah, if I plan to buy ALO locally on Deimos (thanks, newbro metallurgists) the imports drop to 200m3/315t per day [24-Sep-24 05:06 PM] kynadre#0000 buying AL would not be a smart move without serious pre-planning to grab deals {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288260382233853982/image.png?ex=68149939&is=681347b9&hm=8ce316862bcd3922d1e9bfdbecc6ce8ad785641361a41c32f5935b34fe622c2c& [24-Sep-24 05:10 PM] kynadre#0000 To sum up I'm proposing this plan as the most efficient cost/shipping while maintaining profit margins, as new-player first-base friendly, which can be (eventually) converted to pure SME when extraction support planets are established; #s are above, sorry it kinda fills channel [24-Sep-24 05:11 PM] kynadre#0000 CF requires a biiit to make work, so this minimizes the import volumes of high volume, low cost/good with local extraction (which makes a HUGE difference in shipping) [24-Sep-24 05:11 PM] kynadre#0000 see the plans above the replied-to to compare ❤️ [24-Sep-24 05:11 PM] kynadre#0000 whether I get grant or not I feel pretty confident this is the right thing to do for CF in my newbro situation [24-Sep-24 06:00 PM] jvaler#0000 @kynadre with the thought you've put into this i trust whatever you decide to do =P [24-Sep-24 06:00 PM] jvaler#0000 sending u a cont {Reactions} pandaheart [24-Sep-24 06:03 PM] kynadre#0000 Bless ❤️ [24-Sep-24 06:27 PM] kynadre#0000 That's a huge help and seems it'll be filling a real market need in a few areas at once ❤️ [24-Sep-24 07:27 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288295859506647040/image0.gif?ex=6814ba44&is=681368c4&hm=023a9273ef0527e64174940deaad52ecb085c2d36dac961a9f573879df19d6f0& [24-Sep-24 07:28 PM] jcheung#0000 Anyways, try not to spend all of it on building. Save some for feedstock and then save some for "i did a stupid" {Reactions} 💯 this [24-Sep-24 07:35 PM] kynadre#0000 the base cost above what I've already built is 600k so there's plenty of buffer for getting it going properly [24-Sep-24 07:35 PM] kynadre#0000 Thanks again! [24-Sep-24 07:36 PM] kynadre#0000 also as a completely unrelated note whatsoever, A-1 market is now completely out of BSE. Didn't have much to begin with... [24-Sep-24 07:36 PM] kynadre#0000 thank goodness for MM! [24-Sep-24 07:38 PM] jvaler#0000 curse the MM... if it wasn't there then bfabs would be more profitable and incentivize more production of them {Reactions} this [24-Sep-24 07:49 PM] kynadre#0000 true [24-Sep-24 07:51 PM] tanda#0000 😦 [24-Sep-24 07:52 PM] kynadre#0000 I see the catch-22 problem with it for building supplies. Lame! [24-Sep-24 07:52 PM] kynadre#0000 probably needs to be bumped up higher by the devs [24-Sep-24 07:56 PM] tanda#0000 friendly reminder that there is an #internal-offers channel available which has cut rate goods across the board {Reactions} 👍 [24-Sep-24 07:57 PM] jcheung#0000 The other side of that coin is that that would drive up the prices of a lot of other stuff too [24-Sep-24 08:04 PM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sacrifice-evil-bosses-shrek-lord-farquaad-some-of-you-may-die-gif-16648565 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sacrifice-evil-bosses-shrek-lord-farquaad-some-of-you-may-die-gif-16648565 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/yJxxrwlQ7x-Hx8QuelvgR1jyHHo1mFly3knCenL_twA/https/media.tenor.com/UlxOKn2MGw4AAAAe/sacrifice-evil-bosses.png [24-Sep-24 08:05 PM] jvaler#0000 it'll all sort itself out in the end [24-Sep-24 08:06 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288305665726484612/image0.gif?ex=6814c366&is=681371e6&hm=b4e9a4f829badca2854e94c2dc22f13da442b79d3b0d68ac4852fae849ba5535& [24-Sep-24 08:07 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288305737948463104/Screenshot_2024-09-24_180628.png?ex=6814c377&is=681371f7&hm=65f4ebd80484d3ba68c5ca84563a75f1f2f006834b0664aecaa069bde57cbcbb& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288305743581155368/Screenshot_2024-09-24_180647.png?ex=6814c378&is=681371f8&hm=c56867ac1e98820cb9987983ac1d36b9efe2938d0df14afb68ad271805490731& [24-Sep-24 08:07 PM] tanda#0000 even at 1900 it's still not great profit [24-Sep-24 08:08 PM] jvaler#0000 damn it's at 46k rn? AL price increase really is hurting it huh [24-Sep-24 08:08 PM] jvaler#0000 all the more reason for the mm to be removed to reflect it's new COGM :^] [24-Sep-24 08:08 PM] tanda#0000 lol [24-Sep-24 08:08 PM] tanda#0000 well we're gonna creep back down there on the AL prices before too long [24-Sep-24 08:09 PM] tanda#0000 still just as much being produced [24-Sep-24 08:09 PM] jvaler#0000 will we? [24-Sep-24 08:09 PM] tanda#0000 unless someone's going to try to pin the price with a huge BID, I think we'll trend back down [24-Sep-24 08:10 PM] tanda#0000 unless EvoV feels the need to buy out the market again? [24-Sep-24 08:10 PM] jvaler#0000 lolol [24-Sep-24 08:41 PM] kynadre#0000 Jesus that import tonnage [24-Sep-24 08:42 PM] tanda#0000 it's not terrible. My solution would be to build this on a planet with LST, lol [24-Sep-24 08:43 PM] tanda#0000 or just cut it with BBH [24-Sep-24 08:44 PM] tanda#0000 that last one only cuts the imports by 50t per day, lol {Reactions} 👍 🤣 [24-Sep-24 10:08 PM] evov#0000 I have secured my AL supply for the next 20-30 days. {Reactions} 😍 [24-Sep-24 10:09 PM] tanda#0000 only just now? or do you mean you got it moved into position? [24-Sep-24 10:13 PM] evov#0000 I finally got around to building out an "empire" thing on Prunplanner, since it seems that's the only language people understand 🙂 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288337474753527849/image.png?ex=6814e106&is=68138f86&hm=712a46cc6ad47be6bf0603ca533ac03e9cdbbeb35e34c7983d02dbcbb84ab164& [24-Sep-24 10:13 PM] evov#0000 I will forever buy AL until I've got a scrouge McDuck style swimming pool filled with it. {Reactions} 🤣 [24-Sep-24 10:14 PM] tanda#0000 I hate to say it, but Prunplanner is the LCD(least common denominator) for PRUN [24-Sep-24 10:15 PM] tanda#0000 eesh, you could totally just slave 3 full SME bases on Deimos and be fine, lol [24-Sep-24 10:16 PM] evov#0000 I don't do slaves. [24-Sep-24 10:16 PM] jcheung#0000 "contract" [24-Sep-24 10:16 PM] tanda#0000 it's not slaving, it's guaranteeing supply [24-Sep-24 10:16 PM] evov#0000 Yea, contracts, as long as they're mutually beneficial and limited in time/scope etc. [24-Sep-24 10:17 PM] evov#0000 I don't like the idea of people feeling like they're committed to ongoing long term arangements. [24-Sep-24 10:17 PM] tanda#0000 I'm actually about 5 permits away from looking for AL partners myself. I can't really scale my personal AL production [24-Sep-24 10:24 PM] evov#0000 It's why I'll offer things like production backed loans (I pay you now, you deliver AL,or something else, at a later point in time). But really, if anyone wants to sell stuff I use, I'm open to buying it any way that works. [24-Sep-24 10:25 PM] kynadre#0000 I mean, maybe I find another extraction base for AL in the future that's going to make way more than I need for CF. It's entirely possible [24-Sep-24 10:25 PM] evov#0000 The CX is just, for me, the method with the least amount of friction or drama involved. Most of the time when I put up an offer, some windowlicker will want to argue over the details and I find myself wasting more time than it's worth to buy 2 days worth of AL supply that I could resolve in 20seconds on the CX. {Reactions} 🫂 [24-Sep-24 10:25 PM] kynadre#0000 AL + something else useful, I'll keep an eye on market and minerals [24-Sep-24 10:28 PM] tanda#0000 I keep finding myself eyeing Tiezendor YK-715b [24-Sep-24 10:29 PM] evov#0000 Honestly, when someone links a Prun planner base.. and there's zero reference to what prices are being used for inputs/sale price.... I feel like someone is trying to tell me about how Brawndo has what plants crave. [24-Sep-24 10:29 PM] tanda#0000 but Brawndo DOES have what plants crave! [24-Sep-24 10:29 PM] tanda#0000 Welcome to Costco, I love you {Reactions} 🤣 (2) [24-Sep-24 10:29 PM] kynadre#0000 Lmao [24-Sep-24 10:29 PM] evov#0000 Does it have electrolytes? [24-Sep-24 10:30 PM] kynadre#0000 I think I set up my estimates to what it costs to buy and sell immediately on market [24-Sep-24 10:30 PM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288341774321848430/image.png?ex=6814e507&is=68139387&hm=a75befa1754b054a6af5e443618eb493074dc8cec0f5bb0a83230c6c988fcbb0& [24-Sep-24 10:30 PM] kynadre#0000 I'm still learning the interface [24-Sep-24 10:30 PM] tanda#0000 oh you've got them set on the ultra-pessimistic mode: Buy from ASK, Sell to BID [24-Sep-24 10:30 PM] tanda#0000 that's a good, safe setting {Reactions} 💯 (2) [24-Sep-24 10:31 PM] kynadre#0000 Exactly, helps preview "worst come to worst", that's what I used in my base preview data as well for the AGP bid [24-Sep-24 10:31 PM] kynadre#0000 obvs. with plans to -not- operate that way ofc. but [25-Sep-24 12:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I feel like there is already so much AL produced in AI - why more? [25-Sep-24 12:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The spite in his voice 😂 [25-Sep-24 12:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I‘m too European to understand that joke 😂 [25-Sep-24 12:55 AM] realharvey#0000 there is never enough AL in AI. Its frequently used {Reactions} 👍 [25-Sep-24 12:56 AM] realharvey#0000 and once there is more supply, there will be also more demand [25-Sep-24 12:56 AM] kynadre#0000 the hidden factor of how many make it themselves who'd rather repurpose / focus more, or will in the future [25-Sep-24 12:59 AM] realharvey#0000 I have 4 full AL smelting bases because the CX just can't handle my demand [25-Sep-24 01:04 AM] evov#0000 I'll sell you 30k at 850/unit if you want it [25-Sep-24 01:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Evo sitting like a dragon on his mountain of AL [25-Sep-24 01:07 AM] evov#0000 I preffer the Scrooge McDuck swimming pool analogy [25-Sep-24 01:10 AM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288382222059048990/ALDuck.jpg?ex=68150ab2&is=6813b932&hm=62b6e51f474aea651782d57794c8bacc906c970d9c33b797028e82ccebcae0aa& {Reactions} 😂 [25-Sep-24 01:11 AM] realharvey#0000 That's to expensive. I'd make a loss at my internal selling prices then [25-Sep-24 01:12 AM] evov#0000 AL is precious to me. I won't let it go easily! [25-Sep-24 01:15 AM] realharvey#0000 I have it fully vertically integrated currently so I don't mind :) [25-Sep-24 04:18 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Line from the film "Idiocracy". -comedy film. -Idiots outbreed the clever. -average dude wakes up in the future, is the smartest man on earth. [25-Sep-24 04:19 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Brilliant film. [25-Sep-24 04:23 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Just looked it up - love it 😂😂 [25-Sep-24 04:30 AM] evov#0000 A clip from the part I was referencing. This is how I feel when people are like "But PP says base is worth X!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAqIJZeeXEc {Embed} The Liquid People's Temple https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAqIJZeeXEc Idiocracy: Brawndo Has What Plants Crave! Brawndo's got what plants crave: It's got electrolytes! https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jrRqs2q5xetQJaDd_nDD0-U7MuiuQxNjXS2Dqu3shhU/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/kAqIJZeeXEc/maxresdefault.jpg [25-Sep-24 04:40 AM] cruelcoin#0000 @evov I was promised profit! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288434948360896534/Untitled.jpg?ex=6814930d&is=6813418d&hm=2829b7c55ccc7855a0e476261b976c43a301a28b7f08f2e2e66034178245b772& {Reactions} 🤣 [25-Sep-24 10:38 AM] kahetabi#0000 Maybe i should hold my rigs for now until i start base at ice station o.o [25-Sep-24 11:06 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Hurry up and start a RIG base on SE-110c. 😛 [25-Sep-24 11:08 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The metrics for efficient water extraction, on a resource dense, but environmentally harsh world, are only slightly less than if say you were on Boucher/Etherwind. You do, however get issues, when you compound I/Os, with subsequent harsh-environment COGCs, like HYFs, FP, or CHPs, all on INS+HSE worlds. [25-Sep-24 12:33 PM] kynadre#0000 OH so planetary management also has to have projects and inputs too for the hazards? Or do you mean the ships? [25-Sep-24 01:04 PM] jvaler#0000 no, planetary infrastructure and upkeep is unaffected by planet conditions. they cost the same no matter what [25-Sep-24 01:05 PM] jvaler#0000 only production building construction and repair is affected {Reactions} 👍 [25-Sep-24 03:33 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Correct, per this. [25-Sep-24 03:34 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But consider this. For any volumetric-type of production, you'll want significant volumes being threaded through MCG-only, respective COGC planets... There's only so many.... I'll give an example per my speciality. [25-Sep-24 03:36 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If I wanted to install a nice HYF operation, with RIG inputs, and FP outputs, all differentiated by their own bases... I'd have to install RIGs at Etherwind, or Ice Station Alpha... Import to Harmonia for HYFs. And then export to x2 FPs.... There's only 1 FP planet nearby... I could export to Hermes additionally..... But it's quite the trip. [25-Sep-24 03:40 PM] jvaler#0000 hermes is for demeter [25-Sep-24 03:40 PM] jvaler#0000 if you're exporting from harmonia you use norwick [25-Sep-24 03:43 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 (I need 2 nearby FPs, for any of my 1 permit HYF installations). Installing FPs on a non-COGC planet, requires 900k installation cost, with ~60k net profits daily (I know this is the case, since I sell all of my outputs within 1-2 days on the CXs. PP is very reliable with my industrial selection. Installing on a pro-COGC planet, for FPs, warrants the same costs, but with an added profit margin on 10k, daily. Installing on a COGC planet thus has its limitations, since I only get 1, within the industrial permutation of Antares (this is quite similar to other areas). So I could install on a speciality, but harsh, FP COGC planet. That'll involve at least another 1.1 mil in expenditures. Should the CX ever run short of INS + HSE, I'm screwed on such speciality planets. Should the CX ever become short on LBH and/or MHLs, I'm screwed on my HYF installations. <-- I'm scared of these situations... Since We've been getting like 10-20 newbros joining Prun every week, for several months now.... [25-Sep-24 03:50 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The lemma for this.... Basic raw extraction break-evens (like say H2O on Ice Station Alpha)... are virtually unaffected by plantetary environments.... These sorts of things tend to chain together, should you become reliant upon pure COGC planning. One harsh COGC, to another harsh COGC, to yet another harsh COGC.... The break even prices compound on one another, in that situation... And it's not a pretty picture when you're reliant upon CX sales turnovers, for such schemes... [25-Sep-24 03:55 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 So in like three, six, or even 12 months... A lot of players are going to be faced with rather difficult situations, in attempting to keep production costs down, to stay competitive. There's added layers to this mix as well (POPR reports, logistical routes, parsec distances, et.c.). It's a good exercise, at the very least. Most higher tier constraints aren't backed by MM orders, and you're basically forced to be at the whim of market activity, if you haven't planned accordingly. [25-Sep-24 04:24 PM] gnarlicious#0000 Hello everyone, 👋 Here's a business proposal for a small start-up on Deimos. The idea here is not to maximize the capacity of the base but rather to : - keep a 30% margin (On 1M invest) on the cost of construction to adapt to changing markets or errors - focus mainly on the production of AL AND (CU or CF, it will depend on market cap) - not to tackle directly a market too complicated. The idea is to establish a stable revenue stream, and then move on to more interesting, but also more complex and expensive, industries. EXT 3 - SME 6 - 27k/days - ROI 14,2d https://prunplanner.org/shared/dac50346-844d-40a6-b8ef-36a751429d1c I'd like to see your opinion? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288612043578019880/Screenshot_2024-09-25_at_23.14.42.png?ex=68148f3c&is=68133dbc&hm=fb568a05156d37083cf9b87aca8b3c8d678fd386c7146af9cb841c11105e7a85& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288612043984863362/Screenshot_2024-09-25_at_23.14.48.png?ex=68148f3c&is=68133dbc&hm=28174273bdba62896b63e71df125f7f4f0bc2d7626fcba4bb67a0ce0f3ca5f07& {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/dac50346-844d-40a6-b8ef-36a751429d1c PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [25-Sep-24 04:24 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't think cu is a good idea [25-Sep-24 04:25 PM] laaxus#0000 there's this thing called trade volume [25-Sep-24 04:25 PM] jvaler#0000 that base is only 400k? don't you wanna use more of your grant towards production? [25-Sep-24 04:25 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288612410558513183/image.png?ex=68148f93&is=68133e13&hm=14e9d2d1ffe7577b918a8a39bcb8fb76f7a417907b67c41fe8f9b43bd1e77f25& [25-Sep-24 04:25 PM] laaxus#0000 basically, cu don't sell [25-Sep-24 04:26 PM] laaxus#0000 and to be able to make it cheaper and therefore increase demands, you'd need a cu extraction, which there isn't in ant proximity Edit : jvaler called for it [25-Sep-24 04:26 PM] jvaler#0000 ~~that doesn't make it cheaper, the extraction just produces you extra value...~~ [25-Sep-24 04:27 PM] laaxus#0000 and shipping cuo is hell, so you'd need to smelt it near the extraction site {Reactions} 👆 [25-Sep-24 04:28 PM] kynadre#0000 we've had multiple analyses in the past two weeks that have raised alarms about just how HEAVY CUO is to ship, requiring often 500+m3/t per day in shipping to smelt in reasonable volume [25-Sep-24 04:28 PM] kynadre#0000 which, of course, is precisely why its value is misleading. The hidden steep cost of shipping fuel & ships tied up [25-Sep-24 04:29 PM] laaxus#0000 + there isn't much demand anyway [25-Sep-24 04:29 PM] jvaler#0000 i keep thinking "CUO isn't that heavy..." but then remind myself that i'm spoiled by having WCBs lmao [25-Sep-24 04:29 PM] laaxus#0000 The issue is more quite heavy TIMES very far {Reactions} 👆 [25-Sep-24 04:30 PM] laaxus#0000 same issue with cf : no demand {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288613588981776486/image.png?ex=681490ac&is=68133f2c&hm=cd105216ea27ed6a7831540f4e9f33f5d0160742574c79be9e4b75f600ebbe63& [25-Sep-24 04:30 PM] laaxus#0000 the absolute worst thing you can produce is something that doesn't sell [25-Sep-24 04:30 PM] laaxus#0000 you can do it, but then you must rely on bid offers [25-Sep-24 04:31 PM] kynadre#0000 smelting it requires both SIO and CUO so it adds up pretty hardcore. For reference, I tossed it into my 20-SME test base [25-Sep-24 04:31 PM] kynadre#0000 So while the profit indicator is tempting at first, the fact that you need essentially 4 tons of product moving every day (2 tons one direction, slightly over 2 tons another) is a masssssive cost [25-Sep-24 04:33 PM] kynadre#0000 sorry meant to highlight this column {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288614452509282314/image.png?ex=6814917a&is=68133ffa&hm=e4373568c2973ba5a66a264430641c77cc1a5802b16478b8c64218714d3ea3b4& [25-Sep-24 04:33 PM] jvaler#0000 their plan only has 6 SME so it's not so bad, but that just means it isn't scaleable {Reactions} 👆 👍 [25-Sep-24 04:34 PM] kynadre#0000 at 3 HB1 6 SME, it's just over 500t per day each direction [25-Sep-24 04:35 PM] kynadre#0000 4 SMEs stays within 2 starter ships' hauling capabilities but there isn't a lot of wiggle room for anything else [25-Sep-24 04:35 PM] kynadre#0000 just looking at the math on my end since CUO keeps coming up [25-Sep-24 04:35 PM] gnarlicious#0000 Hm, interesting points. Regarding financing: I don't really know which is preferable, I've seen that some payments can be made in instalments. Offering an intermediary solution means you can stagger the setting up of the base. The rest of the development is simply an increase in the HB and SME ratio. As far as the weight of materials is concerned, I've concentrated a lot on the export/import ratio to take advantage of the round trips, but with your feedback. Moving towards CF production is probably the best solution. [25-Sep-24 04:35 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Scalability, is determined over several permits, via COGC efficiencies + shipping... A given model can be plastered over many locations... The question is.. Why CUO --> CU? [25-Sep-24 04:36 PM] laaxus#0000 CF doesn't sell {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288615071588683807/image.png?ex=6814920e&is=6813408e&hm=32164aec049de3e9f9562ce95254d23c1b3c6cad7e54604080594b7762777016& [25-Sep-24 04:36 PM] jvaler#0000 you get all 1 million up front. there's no reason to cut up the payments when it's just a grant, you're not meant to repay us. {Reactions} ❤️ [25-Sep-24 04:36 PM] laaxus#0000 it's a lesson that you probably have to learn yourself [25-Sep-24 04:36 PM] laaxus#0000 everybody did [25-Sep-24 04:36 PM] laaxus#0000 ask @getonthetrain what he thinks of products that doesn't sell [25-Sep-24 04:36 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 not every body did. [25-Sep-24 04:37 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 there's ALOT of attrition in PRUN..... [25-Sep-24 04:37 PM] jvaler#0000 i sure did 😭 i remember locking up a bunch of capital in SI in my first month because the price had spiked, then none of it sold for like 2 more months after that lmao {Reactions} 🫂 [25-Sep-24 04:37 PM] kynadre#0000 we had two new members just set up for CF, it's like 15/day CF from a base that locally produces O and AL or up to 25/50 per day depending on imports [25-Sep-24 04:38 PM] kynadre#0000 it's basically specialized to shipbuilding and to hot planet colonization [25-Sep-24 04:38 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 mmm.... [25-Sep-24 04:38 PM] laaxus#0000 I still have 250k worth of STR rotting on the cx because I thought I outsmarted everybody {Reactions} 😔 [25-Sep-24 04:38 PM] gnarlicious#0000 At least AL sell :AL: 😅 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288615699710742539/image.png?ex=681492a4&is=68134124&hm=35888214eb4ead43d752eadbad8bedf839b30dfdb38c2772600628ddcc206821& {Reactions} this (4) true [25-Sep-24 04:38 PM] kynadre#0000 Evov can't get enough AL [25-Sep-24 04:38 PM] laaxus#0000 I am still right that STR are cheaper to produce than TUB, I just was wrong that TUB was needed at all [25-Sep-24 04:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well I can just feed OFF into a POPI building instead [25-Sep-24 04:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And if I have enough of those built then I don’t need anything but OFF [25-Sep-24 04:40 PM] laaxus#0000 that was my miscalculation [25-Sep-24 04:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah it happens [25-Sep-24 04:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I got yelled at when I put some into a building once [25-Sep-24 04:41 PM] laaxus#0000 I thought that, you know, **actually** interacting with the game mechanics was the intended gameplay not lead the players away from it [25-Sep-24 04:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 🤷‍♂️ [25-Sep-24 04:41 PM] kynadre#0000 would love to learn more about that in a separate channel discussion to not fill AGP [25-Sep-24 04:41 PM] kynadre#0000 such a complicated game XD [25-Sep-24 04:41 PM] laaxus#0000 you don't need to [25-Sep-24 04:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 There seems to be a lot of mechanics that are ignored bc of inefficiencies and costs [25-Sep-24 04:42 PM] kynadre#0000 curiosity killed the Kyna... brainsplosions from overwhelm :pandaWink: [25-Sep-24 04:43 PM] jvaler#0000 there's lots of questionable balance in this game... and very little dev time seems to be devoted to taking a second look at it [25-Sep-24 04:44 PM] jvaler#0000 and when they do it's half-measures :/ {Reactions} pandaOuch 👍 (2) [25-Sep-24 04:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 If you are wanting to stagger the deployment of a full base you can just do that yourself. And just squirrel away the needed resources and or cash left over from the grant to roll out the rest of your base. No one is gonna force you to fill out an entire base and you might find it beneficial to start smaller and work up or you might find it better to just make the whole base. That’s why we pay the lump sum out so that it can be up to your discretion {Reactions} 👍 (2) 🙏 [25-Sep-24 04:46 PM] kynadre#0000 Given that the shipping mass is the challenge, it'd be good to look for a settlespot that produces O and/or CUO to be the smelter base with some local EXT, perhaps? Since otherwise it takes a ship each direction daily for every 4 SME you have devoted to CUO [25-Sep-24 04:46 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I do my part via UFO.. but ze Devs, are Jermans! [25-Sep-24 04:46 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm complaining daily about MMs ... IM DOING MY PART [25-Sep-24 04:47 PM] kynadre#0000 and figuring out what to do with the resultant CU that may be produced really close by that weighs far less (if possible) and has market demand [25-Sep-24 04:47 PM] jvaler#0000 abolish the oppressive plot limit! 😾 [25-Sep-24 04:47 PM] gnarlicious#0000 Thank you very much 🙏 As for the problem of transport volume and market saturation, I'll look into it. Even if I think it's tricky to set up a complex industry with just one base at first {Reactions} 👍 [25-Sep-24 04:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Personally I had like 4 or 5 EXT on Nascent making ALO when I first started (which taught me about the game and how it worked) but was a really dumb starting idea for a longevity perspective [25-Sep-24 04:48 PM] kynadre#0000 been a solid starting idea for me on Deimos, however; producing the heaviest thing locally is a major headache saver even if it reduces your "efficiency" a bit [25-Sep-24 04:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 If you started on Deimos *I* think it’s fine to throw in some EXT or COL to get O and ALO on planet, but that shouldn’t be long term {Reactions} 👍 [25-Sep-24 04:48 PM] kynadre#0000 it just depends on what you're going to do and how to use it [25-Sep-24 04:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I had like 17 SME and 3 COL when I started but eventually I changed that around as I got more bases {Reactions} 👍 [25-Sep-24 04:50 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 There's discrete limitations, for almost **ANY** newbro in-game. If you wanna go big, you need to spend several year dedicated with PRUN PRO, +. [25-Sep-24 04:51 PM] kynadre#0000 essentially each COL will make 20 O per day on Deimos, but you'd need 30 per day per SME, so that adds up really quick [25-Sep-24 04:51 PM] kynadre#0000 but that's basically 40 tons per SME saved, daily [25-Sep-24 04:51 PM] kynadre#0000 it's just heavy stuff (O) [25-Sep-24 04:51 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I always say that this is an idler... Some aspects of this idler, have perks..... Other aspects are just are pure time-game. {Reactions} 👍 [25-Sep-24 04:55 PM] kynadre#0000 At Deimos you'd need 14COL with 8SME to "break even" on O to reduce to 600t shipping each way. With 12COL/10SME you still need about 900t shipping each way every day [25-Sep-24 04:55 PM] laaxus#0000 please import the o [25-Sep-24 04:55 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You get better O at Etherwind, or ANT.CX. [25-Sep-24 04:55 PM] kynadre#0000 yeah just saying it's bad how many COL have to be devoted to it; Deimos is NOT good for that, so isn't good for CUO production basically (which sucks, I feel for ya) [25-Sep-24 04:58 PM] jvaler#0000 last i checked a few months ago deimos COL & EXT were basically the same for profits, interesting that the recent ALO price increase has changed that [25-Sep-24 04:59 PM] kynadre#0000 I'm sure there's another planet that locally produces CUO and/or O same-system that'd be a great choice for local CU production, just Deimos isn't it unfortunately [25-Sep-24 04:59 PM] kynadre#0000 it's really the weight of O and CUO combined that's the issue (and output shipping of CU); SIO is a very small part of the smelt recipe [25-Sep-24 05:00 PM] jvaler#0000 SE-648c is the O planet. liquid resources are far better than atmo or mineral resources, because you can fit 35 RIG in 475 area vs 14 EXT or ~22 COL {Reactions} 😍 (2) [25-Sep-24 05:01 PM] kynadre#0000 RIG and COL also pull resources a lot faster than EXT so they take the best advantage of what's available [25-Sep-24 05:01 PM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah i forgot they have different recipe times {Reactions} 💯 [25-Sep-24 05:02 PM] kynadre#0000 So a neat trick is using the ingame map search because it'll summarize by system rather than by planet, when looking for multiple resources [25-Sep-24 05:02 PM] kynadre#0000 there's two systems that are good for both CUO and O {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288621805317263360/image.png?ex=68149853&is=681346d3&hm=fcc961ea1aebf4b161ea2d5cef6135a1881915d1691f2c9251c4dadea96586f7& {Reactions} 👌 [25-Sep-24 05:03 PM] kynadre#0000 but I'm sure there's plenty more where it's just 1j away from each other, just requires some toggling to find them [25-Sep-24 05:04 PM] kynadre#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288622134519660587/image.png?ex=681498a2&is=68134722&hm=10c504d081c11be6d69e53aa3da27cae45b47d9544a8f6e70a6a487a33eb8a03& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288622134758998069/image.png?ex=681498a2&is=68134722&hm=f09b3d209f6c344b0821b8013bbd51932bbb9ee4723267e5a6be6cd3058436d6& [25-Sep-24 05:04 PM] jvaler#0000 remember not to trust the ingame resource bars :P use https://aeryen23.github.io/yapt/#/planetsearch to check the yield against the universe max of that resource {Reactions} this 👍 [25-Sep-24 05:04 PM] kynadre#0000 just what a brief search found; those are both really far from ANT but again hopefully there's stuff closer by that's within 1j of each other [25-Sep-24 05:05 PM] kynadre#0000 more a short demo of available tools to answer shipping red flags when they arise [25-Sep-24 05:06 PM] kynadre#0000 (and that means also, they'll always be better than what the ingame estimate says; you just don't know HOW much of max possible until you look it up) {Reactions} 💯 [25-Sep-24 05:31 PM] jcheung#0000 Actually the output CU weighs more. O and SIO adds weight to finished product {Reactions} 👍 [25-Sep-24 05:35 PM] kynadre#0000 (mostly O and CUO) [25-Sep-24 05:43 PM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288632115188994151/image.png?ex=6814a1ed&is=6813506d&hm=73fbf52a24fa18c4890bd83e68f6fcf771573b9afdecdac178ba9d0c2ece802c& [25-Sep-24 05:48 PM] evov#0000 Unless you're also building some FS out there to turn the copper into... less coppery things... you're still going to be stuck transporting lots of heavy stuff a long way. Ideally, imo, have a REX planet on good copper somewhere, and in the same system a Metalurgy planet. Do smelting there and also do FS there turning lots of CU into BCO. Line that up with other people who make lots of LI / BE... find an electronics base and $$$$ {Reactions} 💯 [25-Sep-24 06:31 PM] kynadre#0000 hopefully the gateways that require it will also help with it [25-Sep-24 06:43 PM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288647212682838108/image.png?ex=6814affd&is=68135e7d&hm=a7af05bbc5f5e535e983fe406018b86f86c4ab1cc5497cd0297d8a76ae3990b3& {Reactions} 🤔 (2) [25-Sep-24 06:44 PM] evov#0000 I feel like giving people free money has warped everyone's sense of cost/value [25-Sep-24 07:29 PM] kynadre#0000 xDDD [25-Sep-24 07:30 PM] kynadre#0000 It's more that people like me don't know the cost of gateways and then you bring it up and I go, oh... nvm! [25-Sep-24 07:30 PM] jcheung#0000 well. depending on the gateways, it actually may make a difference [25-Sep-24 07:30 PM] kynadre#0000 it's the learning the parts of the equation we don't know. Like the weight of CUO and O, for instance XD [25-Sep-24 08:38 PM] tanda#0000 I'm not sure I care too much about viability when it comes to gateways. Obviously I don't want to suck my company dry, but that's an incredibly long term investment overall [25-Sep-24 08:39 PM] tanda#0000 so if I'm sinking money into a base specifically to help build gateway components, that's acceptableish [26-Sep-24 04:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Hey, nobody is touching CU here 😠 [26-Sep-24 04:23 AM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288793111476043808/copperlove.jpg?ex=68148f1e&is=68133d9e&hm=11964e66a37ff3820353423d77ea9a4bbe449ebe9bf1fc716dffa54f807d32a3& {Reactions} 😂 (2) [26-Sep-24 04:30 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I feel like when I get to the point CU is a possiblity for me nobody is going to want it anymore [26-Sep-24 06:24 AM] gnarlicious#0000 Hello everyone, after a good night's sleep and trying to ingest the various information and constraints to manage with a fairly resilient production base here's a proposed plan that respects the following constraints: - Production / export volume: < 500t / m2 per day - Market resilience (3 different productions, which can be modulated according to AL, ALO, O trends) with good market absorption capacity. - depend exclusively on pioneers for manpower This plan is the first step, which could later evolve into a second base for food production, for example. https://prunplanner.org/shared/c14ac818-f47b-4ab5-aa60-a95361f9e20c In your opinion, does this fairly classic plan seem more viable? Do you see any major limitations? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288823399166251063/Screenshot_2024-09-26_at_13.22.31.png?ex=6814ab53&is=681359d3&hm=32a8aa75ba0bfa764f34209b9b066ad7c3afe4e880d14eacecf33ce9708ef0ed& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288823399879147611/Screenshot_2024-09-26_at_13.22.33.png?ex=6814ab53&is=681359d3&hm=3d858b6b98f1fff8fdd33a2c86158a83de198241892982d0e75cae16c2aa0fb0& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288823400160038994/Screenshot_2024-09-26_at_13.22.39.png?ex=6814ab53&is=681359d3&hm=104bbb652de39f9a961d4b985d5b3641102dfb50546507c90f87a9399c5277fa& {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/c14ac818-f47b-4ab5-aa60-a95361f9e20c PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [26-Sep-24 06:25 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If you chase after money, yes your nose will lead you to where it smells the best... But just because something smells nice, does not mean it looks good, or is pleasant to deal with. [26-Sep-24 06:26 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Gnar, lets see.. [26-Sep-24 06:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm surprised to see, that producing you own O on Deimos isn't that much worse then importing it... [26-Sep-24 06:48 AM] gnarlicious#0000 As I've read on the channel and also it's mainly the increase in the price of ALO that makes it more profitable than oxygen. But my aim is to take advantage of this base to make it a production base rather than a refinement base. Production necessarily produces a bit of wealth and allows me to use it for other bases in the area that might need it (agriculture base). [26-Sep-24 07:12 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Just potential options. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288835569266196510/Screenshot_from_2024-09-26_07-11-17.png?ex=6814b6a9&is=68136529&hm=5f1bc31be332e04e83dee24642f404016380667a7f2b22cd980c2c62c4616081& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1288835569551413348/Screenshot_from_2024-09-26_07-11-58.png?ex=6814b6a9&is=68136529&hm=86a683defc3f22ea9e87b2931fd36faa6bb23766e82b4f0bb3d08ac7c2f06c16& [26-Sep-24 07:21 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If you'd want some production, for end-retail use, on the CX, you'll likely have to add an additional permit, or two, else you'll be cutting out potential AL production volumes. Or just set up something on Nike. Deimos will constrain your potential weekly shipping, if you don't upgrade your ships, or don't go for a multi-permit application. But your plan is viable, for a PIO base, that aims at steady CX business. [26-Sep-24 07:59 AM] kahetabi#0000 Should i build FP on water extraction planet to cover DW burn? [26-Sep-24 08:24 AM] jvaler#0000 this looks good! you plan on swapping out EXT/COL balance based on the market too? that's great i'll send you your grant once i get home [26-Sep-24 08:34 AM] gnarlicious#0000 Thx 🙏 Yes, that's the objective, as long as the EXC/CO swap is not too high. For infrastructure construction, with the explosion in the cost of building materials, do you know of any suppliers with a reasonable price in our trade area? [26-Sep-24 08:36 AM] jvaler#0000 explosion in cost? bfabs have basically always been pinned to the market maker. they're one of the most stable things in the universe :P but #internal-offers is where you'll find deals within ADI [26-Sep-24 09:33 AM] jvaler#0000 @gnarlicious sent {Reactions} ❤️ (2) [26-Sep-24 11:26 AM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/deal-with-it-thug-life-mood-pet-bird-gif-5256484 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/deal-with-it-thug-life-mood-pet-bird-gif-5256484 don't care https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/lMAqx-UcQbdxU6rutLKQkh-rPbqAs9-nM4gQ1Fo3uG0/https/media.tenor.com/6qlgxXbwovYAAAAe/deal-with-it-thug-life.png [28-Sep-24 05:13 AM] kahetabi#0000 Thanks AGP hosts {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1289530429619044433/image.png?ex=68149acc&is=6813494c&hm=9c57566ce3f71c7361d5cde2a55dff70d200f6b02def8af804483e4dfdf9933c& {Reactions} 🎉 (5) [30-Sep-24 03:26 PM] saltymaggot#0000 Hello Sharks! **I am Salty X and ready to smelt ALO to AIC with your generous start up boost of 1 000 000 AIC!** We are looking at approx **__16 day ROI on 875k__** by shamelessly copying the noob metallurgist setup from *OOG Capital Managment* guide, with tiny adjustment. Using up every centimeter on that 500 area, we gonna print up to 57k profit in a DAY! Little candy for the eye: https://prunplanner.org/shared/28cdec80-d3a0-4dc1-9135-9e7c3a882757 Once that plan is successfully executed, we're going to add permit and expand on Extractors to dig that sweet ALO in house. By adding 8 extractors we are in the sweet spot of producing tiny excess ALO for our 20 smelters and being used up exactly 750 area. Neting almost 90k profit a DAY! And by then only the sky is limit. Adding another permit to increase the production or produce input material in house for reduced costs and increased profits. Or flying out to colonize another planet for funsies, who knows? I don't, because I'm noob and this is way too far for me to think atm. **Dear AGP Sharks, are you willing to invest in Salty X? ** [30-Sep-24 03:32 PM] igfloz#0000 A wonderfully written request ! A suggestion, don't wast on expanding to 750 - you will need those permits in the future. You "could" rely on others to supply your ALO [30-Sep-24 03:32 PM] saltymaggot#0000 Rather expand on another planet? [30-Sep-24 03:32 PM] igfloz#0000 ...I'm sure others that can fulfill your submission will see all of the above and give guidance [30-Sep-24 03:33 PM] igfloz#0000 There are a number of ways you can go - but generally yes, a permit is for a planet - not an expansion {Reactions} 🫡 [30-Sep-24 04:02 PM] manhim#0000 Also, you should probably consider putting at least 1 STO on that planet. It's going to be hard to balance or buildup any kind of inventory without one. {Reactions} 💯 [30-Sep-24 04:06 PM] saltymaggot#0000 Roger, probably ditching the single EXT for 1 STO. [30-Sep-24 04:06 PM] saltymaggot#0000 Thanks! [30-Sep-24 04:07 PM] saltymaggot#0000 Thats almost 10% profit loss tho 🥲 [30-Sep-24 04:09 PM] manhim#0000 Don't forget to add your Metallurgy experts too, 4 is fairly quick to obtain. {Reactions} 😮 [30-Sep-24 04:13 PM] saltymaggot#0000 Nice! Just read about them. [30-Sep-24 04:17 PM] saltymaggot#0000 Updated version: https://prunplanner.org/shared/5d06934c-6067-4ff4-a989-c43ba296bbad [30-Sep-24 04:18 PM] saltymaggot#0000 66k/day , 13 day ROI on 877k [30-Sep-24 04:18 PM] manhim#0000 You can remove 1 HB1 since you're not using the pioneers for it. Otherwise, if you add 1 more STO you get the same base I have xD {Reactions} 🫡 [30-Sep-24 04:20 PM] igfloz#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1290422968245293086/image.png?ex=68148e4a&is=68133cca&hm=549a39c21726280227c4a1ac4fc2a36429707034bf1e568a0aa047f50cd67d43& {Reactions} pepeLove [30-Sep-24 04:20 PM] igfloz#0000 I run 2 STO on metal planets {Reactions} 👍 [30-Sep-24 04:21 PM] manhim#0000 Now just pay attention to this, cause it's what you're going to need to move daily to keep your numbers with the starter ships. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1290423259283587093/image.png?ex=68148e8f&is=68133d0f&hm=ea409a55427fdf9f09591980582e56d1c9ae8d8b4bfc4c8f1758673a44dca881& [30-Sep-24 04:25 PM] igfloz#0000 I am one (I'm sure there are many) of people bringing ALO to Deimos for smelting - so you should be able to hit someone up for a regular supply [30-Sep-24 04:27 PM] igfloz#0000 .....and with a full 20 SME base, just smelting ALO, I figure you will need 1K ALO every 10 days (ish) ? [30-Sep-24 04:28 PM] igfloz#0000 ...with 5 experts I mean [30-Sep-24 04:29 PM] saltymaggot#0000 With 5 experts it shows I need 353.10 per day. [30-Sep-24 04:30 PM] igfloz#0000 ok, yeah, thats more than I guestimated, lol [30-Sep-24 04:30 PM] saltymaggot#0000 The ship upgrade blueprint stuff I need to research bit more, not sure where you can get the blueprints. [30-Sep-24 04:30 PM] igfloz#0000 but you could figure 1K ALO per week I suppose - I'm just spitballing [30-Sep-24 04:31 PM] igfloz#0000 oooh ship upgrades........ there are people who you can purchase from, I (don't have details) - - - very expensive tho [30-Sep-24 04:33 PM] igfloz#0000 We are actually starting a ship upgrade program here.... I don't know how far we are into it............ paging @jcheung @evany. {Reactions} 😍 [30-Sep-24 04:34 PM] igfloz#0000 I'm probably gonna get roasted for this, lol [30-Sep-24 04:34 PM] jcheung#0000 Getting started. Not certain what the status of AMLs are but there's probably enough ASM refined materials to put together a kit. [30-Sep-24 04:35 PM] jcheung#0000 So... on the fast side, depending on stuff i don't know, probably a week. On the slow side, a month? Or so I'm guessing {Reactions} 👍 [30-Sep-24 04:35 PM] igfloz#0000 Much thanks for the quick response [30-Sep-24 04:36 PM] jcheung#0000 It may well take longer if there's unforseen things [30-Sep-24 04:37 PM] evany.#0000 blueprints are crafted individually per user [30-Sep-24 04:38 PM] evany.#0000 there are some 'meta' blueprints by the community that are commonly available, but others bling their ships too. its entirely up to you. you can also continue to change parts incrementally, the only thing of note that seems a bit unique is that while new components can always be equipped, they are destroyed when replaced- there is no 'unequip' button. {Reactions} 👍 [30-Sep-24 04:38 PM] evany.#0000 if i upgrade from a basic engine to a fuel saving engine to a hyper engine, i've destroyed both my basics and fuel savings {Reactions} 👍 [30-Sep-24 04:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I’m almost ready to drop my 7 mill in AFABs to build some AMLs [30-Sep-24 04:40 PM] igfloz#0000 ooooh, here we go !! [30-Sep-24 04:43 PM] archielvahr#0000 I have money, did you get money yet, @saltymaggot ? [30-Sep-24 04:48 PM] archielvahr#0000 I sent you money and added it to the grant tracking spreadsheet 😄 [30-Sep-24 04:48 PM] archielvahr#0000 ping me if I'm not aroudn when you want it filled [30-Sep-24 04:49 PM] saltymaggot#0000 Nice, thanks! Away from computer atm, but gonna deal with it ASAP {Reactions} 😎 [30-Sep-24 04:54 PM] archielvahr#0000 Enjoy! Don't spend it all in one place 😄 {Reactions} 😄 [30-Sep-24 04:55 PM] saltymaggot#0000 https://tenor.com/view/rich-king-crown-money-cash-gif-17571826 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/rich-king-crown-money-cash-gif-17571826 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Q2kuUhh8pRuv2Yoywq3Ca4_Bh-Swny0qxg9gKT0T_ok/https/media.tenor.com/2vHljP-diQQAAAAe/rich-king.png [30-Sep-24 04:55 PM] saltymaggot#0000 Thanks again! 🍻🫡 [30-Sep-24 04:55 PM] igfloz#0000 .....and now it starts, lol {Reactions} 😄 (2) [30-Sep-24 05:02 PM] scorpy6225#0000 Ik im late to the party but promise me the STO is sooo worth {Reactions} 💯 (2) 🫡 [02-Oct-24 11:00 AM] saltymaggot#0000 Money invested and running 🫡 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1291067290846236692/image.png?ex=6814ec1d&is=68139a9d&hm=eccef2060504df41457bbf2be2512201ba0e4a7302e010ccf7631f3c255c0c19& [02-Oct-24 11:06 AM] archielvahr#0000 I love the smell of aluminum in the morning 😄 {Reactions} 😄 (2) [02-Oct-24 11:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Mhmmm *deep inhale, followed by notorious coughing* {Reactions} 🤣 [02-Oct-24 12:12 PM] kynadre#0000 You got pro for this, right? Set up a 1-order AL smelt as a recurring [02-Oct-24 12:12 PM] kynadre#0000 it'll forever fill the slots [02-Oct-24 12:12 PM] kynadre#0000 same with the extractor [02-Oct-24 12:17 PM] saltymaggot#0000 I'm basic atm, but probably going PRO soon, if not earlier then with the second base. {Reactions} 👍 [06-Oct-24 06:09 AM] cruelcoin#0000 My water base on Ice Station Alpha is expanding rapidly. Has now long since outstripped my ration base in profit generation. {Reactions} 😍 [06-Oct-24 11:59 AM] tanda#0000 I'm happy to hear it, let me know if you wind up needing an export, I can swing a ship out there to help [07-Oct-24 02:49 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Thanks for the offer. I probably will have transport capacity issues in 2 weeks or so. Might pause base expansion for a bit so i can beef out my ships. [07-Oct-24 10:19 AM] jvaler#0000 moving this here: https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183247926995189790/1292867097742938273 [07-Oct-24 10:21 AM] jvaler#0000 @doctorwhofr i see that you're planning on making a 20 BMP base on phobos. while i love the BMP plan, have you considered putting them on hephaestus instead? hephaestus gets a +25% efficiency bonus from it's CoGC which improves your margins considerably. BMPs take a lot of PIO, which means a lot of consumables. you wanna get the most out of them [07-Oct-24 10:21 AM] jvaler#0000 (CoGC = chamber of global commerce, found in a PLI buffer/tile) [07-Oct-24 10:22 AM] laaxus#0000 What does he plan to produce ? [07-Oct-24 10:23 AM] laaxus#0000 Because there's a ton of rep and pe already [07-Oct-24 10:24 AM] laaxus#0000 I unironically would recommend a fp base on hepha [07-Oct-24 10:24 AM] jvaler#0000 well at that point why heph? just go norwick [07-Oct-24 10:24 AM] jvaler#0000 both triple greens [07-Oct-24 10:24 AM] laaxus#0000 Norwick is far [07-Oct-24 10:25 AM] jvaler#0000 not that far [07-Oct-24 10:25 AM] laaxus#0000 He doesn't have the capital to do full cargo trip [07-Oct-24 10:25 AM] jvaler#0000 i'd bet 2 starters can handle it [07-Oct-24 10:25 AM] getonthetrain#0000 2 starters could certainly handle it [07-Oct-24 10:25 AM] jvaler#0000 that's marginal when you're getting a 1mil injection [07-Oct-24 10:25 AM] laaxus#0000 Not wrong [07-Oct-24 10:26 AM] laaxus#0000 As long as he doesn't use 1M in Building [07-Oct-24 10:26 AM] laaxus#0000 He should be fine [07-Oct-24 10:26 AM] laaxus#0000 But yes [07-Oct-24 10:26 AM] laaxus#0000 I would either recommend a chemistry base on elon, or FP base on norwick [07-Oct-24 10:27 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm planning to remove 10 BMP because they're too unprofitable [07-Oct-24 10:27 AM] laaxus#0000 Maybe 20 [07-Oct-24 10:27 AM] jvaler#0000 @doctorwhofr also, make sure to turn on luxury consumables and experts in prunplanner. assume 5 experts, because they're an eventuality as long as the base isn't demolished. (20 BMP are super fast at experts anyways) [07-Oct-24 10:28 AM] jvaler#0000 this might be grounds for banishment from ADI [07-Oct-24 10:29 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Laaxus just got drunk on loans and built too much for consumption [07-Oct-24 10:29 AM] laaxus#0000 I was producing pe before it was cool [07-Oct-24 10:29 AM] laaxus#0000 Now I'm just one among others [07-Oct-24 10:31 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 thx for advice [07-Oct-24 10:31 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 so does i need to leave my base in phobos ? [07-Oct-24 10:32 AM] jvaler#0000 you can if you want, but you'll probably find the reclaimed building's resources more useful. phobos sucks for new players because it's CoGC bonus is utterly useless to them {Reactions} 👍 [07-Oct-24 10:33 AM] jvaler#0000 check to make sure your CM actually gives any reclaim though, it might not because it was constructed using a starter player CMK [07-Oct-24 10:33 AM] getonthetrain#0000 just focus all future bases on the chamber of commerce bonus (25% production speed, which is huge) {Reactions} 💯 [07-Oct-24 10:34 AM] getonthetrain#0000 you can find each chamber of global commerce on the planet buffer screen when you click into the cogc link [07-Oct-24 10:37 AM] laaxus#0000 (pinned) For future reference, here's my current recommendations for an agp grant base : - Half a PP2 base on Aceland/Nike - FP base on norwick - Half a Pol base on elon - Chp base on elon - Inc base on nascent {Reactions} 👍 [07-Oct-24 10:37 AM] jvaler#0000 Pinned a message. [07-Oct-24 10:38 AM] jvaler#0000 gonna put this here too [07-Oct-24 10:38 AM] jvaler#0000 (pinned) https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/posts/starting-in-antares/ {Embed} https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/posts/starting-in-antares/ Getting started in Antares | OOG Capital Management There are many ways to get started in Prosperous Universe that are better than a farming start on Promitor. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Jw5IlSb5BRt7j0UDJvzcEW0k5594goy1W-OzriAf_vs/https/oogcapitalmanagement.com/images/huge-hab-narrow.png [07-Oct-24 10:38 AM] jvaler#0000 Pinned a message. [07-Oct-24 10:38 AM] laaxus#0000 the profit are outdated, but it's always worth checking [07-Oct-24 10:39 AM] jvaler#0000 well yeah, they're static. but the advice is still sound as far as i can tell [07-Oct-24 10:39 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I wouldn't be cutting up new bros like that.... It takes a while for most to come up to speed. It's a process. :/ But they did plop down a CM on Phobos without asking? If they're still in the first hour of that base, i think they can get the CM module back? Maybe.... It should convert to 100 units of MCG upon installation, so likely not. [07-Oct-24 10:40 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm not cutting up D: being very nice [07-Oct-24 10:41 AM] jvaler#0000 they seem to misunderstand how CoGC works though, cause they set it in their plan to manufacturing when phobos is electronics [07-Oct-24 10:42 AM] getonthetrain#0000 COGC is just something the game doesn't tell you about when you start {Reactions} 😔 [07-Oct-24 10:42 AM] getonthetrain#0000 and it's vitally important [07-Oct-24 10:42 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 yeh i mean in fact when starting tyou dont understand the importance of every choice you made [07-Oct-24 10:42 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 in fact some other game [07-Oct-24 10:42 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I tell everyone to read the APEX wiki, check out community tools, Prunner/Prunplanner, the PCT wiki. and ask profusely anything in the in-game chats. [07-Oct-24 10:42 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 have the full tutoriel instancied [07-Oct-24 10:43 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 and when finished you start in the real world [07-Oct-24 10:43 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 its not natural to go on a wiki before even starting to play a game ^^' [07-Oct-24 10:43 AM] getonthetrain#0000 I also started on Phobos because I didn't know anything about the COGC bonus [07-Oct-24 10:43 AM] jvaler#0000 the bad onboarding experience is crutched by "just COLIQ if you mess up". i don't think it's healthy for the game :/ {Reactions} 💯 [07-Oct-24 10:43 AM] getonthetrain#0000 because I am not going to read a book before I start a game and see if I like it first [07-Oct-24 10:44 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 i mean you dont even known [07-Oct-24 10:44 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 you need to read a book [07-Oct-24 10:44 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 xD [07-Oct-24 10:44 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 you've got like an hour to check stuff out... I got really lucky by going with the "recommended" planets, in the starting buffer, since I wanted to become a Victualier, and so I chose Promitor. [07-Oct-24 10:44 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 I have choosen the starting planet i thing [07-Oct-24 10:44 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 i followed the tutorial [07-Oct-24 10:45 AM] jvaler#0000 you don't have access to CoGC info from the starter screen, so it's not like the mistake is avoidable. just random chance if you got lucky with your choice [07-Oct-24 10:45 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 do you have Pro? [07-Oct-24 10:45 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 it's an tangent... [07-Oct-24 10:45 AM] getonthetrain#0000 that's easy, I started as manufacturing and wanted to start in Antares just because it sounded less popular. Phobos was the only planet tagged as average for manufacturing {Reactions} 😔 [07-Oct-24 10:45 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But you're in-game, so you can take the time to look around, make up your mind, and potentially COLIQ to something that you will find better suits your interests. [07-Oct-24 10:46 AM] getonthetrain#0000 what we are saying, is that shouldn't be necessary [07-Oct-24 10:47 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 if your recipes have a good PPU, then it shouldn't matter.... Yes you'll lose the COGC bonus.... It's not like I don't do similar things either... Phobos is a FI planet for me.. Since the #free-real estate thing is getting rather hard once you get to my scale. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1292876028934623354/Screenshot_from_2024-10-07_10-47-23.png?ex=6814e921&is=681397a1&hm=ef9981093fa0d629af18d691c140428fa0eb71c5ec0afe9cf4c26250282078cc& {Reactions} 💯 [07-Oct-24 10:48 AM] jvaler#0000 holy shit so many SCB [07-Oct-24 10:50 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Leftovers from a bygone era... But they're all getting seriously upgraded to LCB STLs >:) [07-Oct-24 10:50 AM] jvaler#0000 oh damn never realized ur 778d old [07-Oct-24 10:50 AM] jvaler#0000 this was back before SCI or something? [07-Oct-24 10:51 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah something like it... Malahat was barely gearing up for ENGs, not to mention SCIs, iirc. [07-Oct-24 10:51 AM] jvaler#0000 eek [07-Oct-24 10:51 AM] jvaler#0000 i can't imagine... i really joined during a golden age lmao [07-Oct-24 10:52 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Imagine... No FTL deals at all on UFO... there was only GTU. No ship parts on the CXs. No intermediary parts markets either. [07-Oct-24 10:53 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 By the time the WCB upgrades made themselves available, I was age'd out, and had to go my own way. [07-Oct-24 10:53 AM] jvaler#0000 what were the wait times like with GTU at the time? [07-Oct-24 10:53 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 months? [07-Oct-24 10:53 AM] jvaler#0000 god [07-Oct-24 05:17 PM] kahetabi#0000 Fund fully spent 🫡 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1292974122871292034/image.png?ex=68149bbd&is=68134a3d&hm=c1976f71a25b19711fa5ba77232928afd6b5f28a5f6fe2a8a6de12c5b7ace536& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1292974123131080844/image.png?ex=68149bbd&is=68134a3d&hm=5f3287a570ffd2e572d968dbc6f09079e504888508bcd7277cd393c6bbbe19c9& {Reactions} 👏 🥳 [07-Oct-24 05:20 PM] jvaler#0000 baller [07-Oct-24 06:28 PM] marat_sh#0000 I see NUT and BEA... I approve 👍 {Reactions} 🤣 nice_bean 🫘 🥥 🥜 [08-Oct-24 02:49 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 i am sorry to ask it but can someone admin can check my request go the gap ? [08-Oct-24 02:49 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 i am ready to make my future base and project so the mil il help for sure [08-Oct-24 03:02 AM] laaxus#0000 we gave a lot of feedback starting from here @doctorwhofr [08-Oct-24 03:04 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 daim this community is kind of unique ❤️‍🔥 [08-Oct-24 03:04 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 thx 🙂 [08-Oct-24 11:34 AM] superbadsounds#0000 Hello, everyone, I am happy to submit this proposal for the ADI grant: A construction base on Antares III - Nike. https://prunplanner.org/shared/bbbbb49f-cb74-4e1c-9bc9-d869a93d3f90 (See attachment Antares Stage 1) This plan will allow me to get a foothold in Antares space before I roll out another 4-5 bases over the coming weeks, and will eventually be upgraded to a full base like this: https://prunplanner.org/shared/f1cb560d-b781-4c11-bb19-ddc92ff6dd23 (See attachment Antares Stage 2) I'm already mostly self funded on this, but the grant will help me purchase the first 7 days of upkeep and production materials and manage the logistical costs of building a base outside of my starting sector in BEN. I can't wait to hear your suggestions for how to make this base better and I'm looking forward to making a new home amongst you all! Cheers, superbadsounds {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293250111882657823/Antares_Stage_1.png?ex=6814f406&is=6813a286&hm=f606312289feba6f2abc62ac7ff83798ec3a33e2926b534646dd6c474ab5318f& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293250112113479811/Antares_Stage_2.png?ex=6814f406&is=6813a286&hm=0a534050dc5282df2ce676b90a20ec8c88007ab64ac8f1e8d2cdd6de4c60d0e8& {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/bbbbb49f-cb74-4e1c-9bc9-d869a93d3f90 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/f1cb560d-b781-4c11-bb19-ddc92ff6dd23 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [08-Oct-24 11:35 AM] jvaler#0000 this looks solid! sending u a cont {Reactions} 🙏 (2) [08-Oct-24 11:36 AM] superbadsounds#0000 Thank you! [08-Oct-24 12:58 PM] laaxus#0000 @superbadsounds I would build one less PP2 and PP3 [08-Oct-24 12:58 PM] laaxus#0000 at first [08-Oct-24 12:58 PM] laaxus#0000 you need cash for input goods [08-Oct-24 12:58 PM] laaxus#0000 and usually, 1 day isn't enough [08-Oct-24 12:58 PM] laaxus#0000 you'll lack cash and it might put you in a tricky position {Reactions} 💯 [08-Oct-24 01:06 PM] superbadsounds#0000 Heard, I appreciate the advice. Luckily, between the grant and my own $$, I've got enough funds on hand to cover a full week's materials. But if I need to save some cash, I'll certainly consider it! {Reactions} 👍 [08-Oct-24 01:10 PM] jcheung#0000 I have a question [08-Oct-24 01:11 PM] jcheung#0000 How do you plan to support bases spaced this far apart? [08-Oct-24 01:11 PM] jcheung#0000 Are you sending one of your starter ships to permanently be attached to ANT while the other services the 5 bases near BEN? [08-Oct-24 01:13 PM] jcheung#0000 Even your partial design requires a visit every 4 days on average minimum with starters [08-Oct-24 01:13 PM] jcheung#0000 With a 1-2 day transit to your other bases, can you handle it? [08-Oct-24 04:42 PM] superbadsounds#0000 Ive got the WCB upgrade on the ship I'm sending to be based in ANT. [08-Oct-24 04:43 PM] superbadsounds#0000 I'll be utilizing that in the area long term [09-Oct-24 12:04 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 just wonder [09-Oct-24 12:04 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 does a base [09-Oct-24 12:04 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 like my first base will cost me something if i move on to a new one ? [09-Oct-24 12:05 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 like i am trying to make my plan for Hephaestus [09-Oct-24 12:05 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 but my base at phobos will cost me something ? or just it will die free alone ? [09-Oct-24 12:07 AM] laaxus#0000 Why not just upgrading hq and have 2 bases ? [09-Oct-24 12:07 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 because everyone said that phobos is useless in my current state [09-Oct-24 12:08 AM] laaxus#0000 It isn't wrong [09-Oct-24 12:08 AM] laaxus#0000 You could demolish and move [09-Oct-24 12:08 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 ok but does the base will cost me something [09-Oct-24 12:08 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 if i dont destroy it [09-Oct-24 12:08 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 and just keep it for like "someday it will be usefull" [09-Oct-24 12:08 AM] laaxus#0000 One hq expension [09-Oct-24 12:09 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 i can have only one hq expension? [09-Oct-24 12:09 AM] laaxus#0000 No [09-Oct-24 12:09 AM] finestone#0000 you can make RAT on phobos tho not ideal [09-Oct-24 12:10 AM] finestone#0000 but can easily get you enough to get a 2nd base [09-Oct-24 12:10 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 my only point is "can i destroy my phobos base" moving out somehere else is not a real problem i didnt do mutch in phobos [09-Oct-24 12:10 AM] finestone#0000 yes if you destroy the CM [09-Oct-24 12:10 AM] finestone#0000 but i would keep the phobos base is my point [09-Oct-24 12:10 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 so keeping the phobos base [09-Oct-24 12:10 AM] finestone#0000 just dont max it [09-Oct-24 12:10 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 what will be the cost [09-Oct-24 12:10 AM] finestone#0000 go max another base first [09-Oct-24 12:11 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 ok i am keeping phobos base so [09-Oct-24 12:11 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 thx [09-Oct-24 12:11 AM] finestone#0000 but 2 farm 2 FP 2 Rig can get you started on selling RATs [09-Oct-24 12:11 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 idk maybe someday i will made ELEC ^^' and so the 20% elec buff will be usefull [09-Oct-24 12:11 AM] finestone#0000 exactly [09-Oct-24 12:11 AM] finestone#0000 phobos has Fertility is my point [09-Oct-24 12:12 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 ok so for me : - planning a base in Hephaestus - keeping phobos for future [09-Oct-24 12:12 AM] finestone#0000 that is what i did! [09-Oct-24 12:12 AM] finestone#0000 I maxxed 3 bases [09-Oct-24 12:12 AM] finestone#0000 before starting building on phobos again [09-Oct-24 12:13 AM] finestone#0000 at the end of the day its your choice tho [09-Oct-24 12:13 AM] finestone#0000 you can abandon phobos by deleting CM [09-Oct-24 12:13 AM] finestone#0000 Good luck! [09-Oct-24 12:13 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 how many % of the CM i will get back ? [09-Oct-24 12:13 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 if i delete it [09-Oct-24 12:14 AM] finestone#0000 it will tell you under "Reclaimable materials" [09-Oct-24 12:14 AM] finestone#0000 Since its your "free CM" i think you only get MCG back which is why its not reccomended to do so [09-Oct-24 12:14 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 ok just last question [09-Oct-24 12:14 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 for prunplanner [09-Oct-24 12:15 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 the 20% equal to 5 experts ? [09-Oct-24 12:15 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 on manufacturing for Hephaestus? [09-Oct-24 12:15 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293441664643239986/image.png?ex=6814fdab&is=6813ac2b&hm=b69714a9265c01ff115ae4fa2084c0aa0f0ae084a0c7a12e84523d50cd5eff2a& [09-Oct-24 12:15 AM] finestone#0000 Experts are not related to COGC [09-Oct-24 12:15 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 oh ok [09-Oct-24 12:15 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 sorry [09-Oct-24 12:16 AM] finestone#0000 PrunPlanner already knows the COGC and would be applying the bonus already [09-Oct-24 12:16 AM] finestone#0000 you can change it with the drop down but yeah you 20%+28.4% [09-Oct-24 12:17 AM] finestone#0000 for COGC + Max Experts [09-Oct-24 12:22 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 its really hard to make perfect base , because in fact my base at phobos make just 10k less then the project on Hephaestus ^^' (phobos) https://prunplanner.org/shared/6cfb6999-1359-47c1-ae94-058bf466069f {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293443417984077901/image.png?ex=6814ff4d&is=6813adcd&hm=f1506af171d04cd321445918bcae16dea50277b16e1a165df57af8fcb195acca& {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/6cfb6999-1359-47c1-ae94-058bf466069f PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Oct-24 12:22 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 hephaestus https://prunplanner.org/shared/4c5ab943-d61a-4cea-94ae-087ce02a2447 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293443463215452250/image.png?ex=6814ff58&is=6813add8&hm=7ef68ac0f75e3f1f10185a7daa836f8796cc721bbd56e63cedeae7277f7da4eb& {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/4c5ab943-d61a-4cea-94ae-087ce02a2447 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Oct-24 12:25 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 i think i will compensate the lost of LST by making an LST base close [09-Oct-24 12:26 AM] realharvey#0000 Phobos is your only bases currently right? [09-Oct-24 12:26 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 yes [09-Oct-24 12:26 AM] realharvey#0000 If so you get a special module when you deconstruct your CM which gives you a special item to start a new base (a free CM) [09-Oct-24 12:27 AM] realharvey#0000 So you'll save CM costs on a new planet [09-Oct-24 12:27 AM] realharvey#0000 You could also use that special module to set a base up on Deimos. This special module is the only way to get on a planet that is full [09-Oct-24 12:27 AM] realharvey#0000 Leaving it on Phobos is a total waste [09-Oct-24 12:28 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293444940881334353/image.png?ex=681500b8&is=6813af38&hm=fe5f04299a7efeb64fb00b63d85fafa420d507e62e2937511c1c61e3dae03d92& [09-Oct-24 12:28 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 ? [09-Oct-24 12:30 AM] realharvey#0000 Already have another base planted? [09-Oct-24 12:30 AM] superbadsounds#0000 Man that thing goes through LST [09-Oct-24 12:31 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 @realharvey just moving it to Hephaestus https://prunplanner.org/plan/ZV-307c/a3053b4e-1c89-40b3-b3f0-2531d841969a {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/plan/ZV-307c/a3053b4e-1c89-40b3-b3f0-2531d841969a PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Oct-24 12:31 AM] realharvey#0000 Then demolish that CM [09-Oct-24 12:32 AM] realharvey#0000 You'll get a special CM [09-Oct-24 12:34 AM] finestone#0000 that base is not possible due to 1100t import demand daily [09-Oct-24 12:34 AM] finestone#0000 unless you are going to pay people to bring you LST with their ships which seems unreasonable and will eat into your profits [09-Oct-24 12:38 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 i was planning to make an LST base also [09-Oct-24 12:38 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/5520b7aa-94dd-4723-b0d4-627ec72efae7 (but on nike maybe changing the location) {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/5520b7aa-94dd-4723-b0d4-627ec72efae7 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Oct-24 12:38 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 "1100t import demand daily"? [09-Oct-24 12:46 AM] getonthetrain#0000 LST is heavy, that plan requires 1,100 tons of material imported per day [09-Oct-24 12:46 AM] getonthetrain#0000 your two starter ships can hold 500 each [09-Oct-24 12:48 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 how do you known [09-Oct-24 12:48 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 that lst is in fault [09-Oct-24 12:48 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 but thx for the 500each [09-Oct-24 12:49 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 or the important is just the global [09-Oct-24 12:49 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293450290170957845/image.png?ex=681505b4&is=6813b434&hm=3017f7ba9df5560e809a85a1f09708ef1b714f1532e45afb30711468098707e7& [09-Oct-24 12:49 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 changed to lower quantity [09-Oct-24 12:49 AM] getonthetrain#0000 LST is the culprit for your Heph base, dunno what it is for Phobos [09-Oct-24 12:49 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 of BMP [09-Oct-24 12:51 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 so https://prunplanner.org/plan/ZV-307c/a3053b4e-1c89-40b3-b3f0-2531d841969a {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/plan/ZV-307c/a3053b4e-1c89-40b3-b3f0-2531d841969a PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Oct-24 12:51 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 but having a not fully completed base is a shame nah ? [09-Oct-24 12:51 AM] getonthetrain#0000 nah, I also started on Phobos and moved to Heph [09-Oct-24 12:51 AM] realharvey#0000 this is empty you didnt click share [09-Oct-24 12:51 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 noh like ok i cant have 20 BMP making MCG But even 13 BMP making MCG is better then making anything others even at 20 BMP rate https://prunplanner.org/shared/4c5ab943-d61a-4cea-94ae-087ce02a2447 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/4c5ab943-d61a-4cea-94ae-087ce02a2447 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Oct-24 12:51 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 sry [09-Oct-24 12:52 AM] realharvey#0000 you can do tons of stuff in BMP [09-Oct-24 12:52 AM] realharvey#0000 it makes sense to regulary check cx prices [09-Oct-24 12:53 AM] realharvey#0000 other stuff gets more lucrative every now and then as prices shift [09-Oct-24 12:53 AM] realharvey#0000 and that stuff will likely be not as heavy [09-Oct-24 12:53 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Maybe grow RCO on Phobos, and weave it into COT on Heph? [09-Oct-24 12:53 AM] getonthetrain#0000 I heard the #1 COT producer stopped completely [09-Oct-24 12:54 AM] realharvey#0000 I highly recommend to stay away from an LST extraction base until you can reliably buy ships to carry that stuff. (A new ship costs 4-6 mil) [09-Oct-24 12:55 AM] realharvey#0000 phobos has no agri COGC so you throw 25% efficiency out of the window. I recommend to avoid COGC sinning, especially in the beginning {Reactions} 💯 [09-Oct-24 12:55 AM] getonthetrain#0000 lol, in the beginning is the only acceptable sin [09-Oct-24 12:55 AM] getonthetrain#0000 later on you have money to efficiently place base on appropriate cogc with plenty of ships to work it out [09-Oct-24 12:57 AM] realharvey#0000 building AGRI and FI stuff on one planet is an acceptable sin [09-Oct-24 12:57 AM] realharvey#0000 but doing that on an Electronics planet is not [09-Oct-24 01:00 AM] realharvey#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293452977536893020/image.png?ex=68150835&is=6813b6b5&hm=c96588127185a86dfe45d4fce1c34394d6d78a87dafcdfe44de82fafb2fda9e4& [09-Oct-24 01:00 AM] realharvey#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293453024571818015/image.png?ex=68150840&is=6813b6c0&hm=163f73629dca3a7425e52466346ae58bfe8454184baf7ca79ce3a4fa0c0a9773& [09-Oct-24 01:00 AM] realharvey#0000 one build is COGC sinning on Phobos [09-Oct-24 01:00 AM] realharvey#0000 and the other is reasonable Farming on harmonia [09-Oct-24 01:01 AM] realharvey#0000 you are leaving 13k profit a day on the table for using phobos [09-Oct-24 01:02 AM] getonthetrain#0000 leaving profit on the table is selling at the bid, what you have to do when you are new because you need cash flow [09-Oct-24 01:03 AM] getonthetrain#0000 dude has Phobos and can get one more planet, you just gotta do what you gotta do when you are new [09-Oct-24 01:04 AM] getonthetrain#0000 you build up, get cash, then fix the inefficiency because you can, because you then have cash [09-Oct-24 01:04 AM] realharvey#0000 1 CM costs about 121k AIC. Why would he keep that on Phobos? [09-Oct-24 01:04 AM] realharvey#0000 thats 121k AIC sitting doing nothing on Phobos because you cant reasonably use the COGC [09-Oct-24 01:04 AM] realharvey#0000 putting that CM on Heph or Harmonia or Deimos is just in every way more efficient and costs them nothing [09-Oct-24 01:06 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Just chalk it up as one of the things that doesn't get fixed in the game, having Phobos as a starter planet instead of Heph [09-Oct-24 01:12 AM] finestone#0000 Very true, I just make sure things are possible and profitable not necessarily the most efficient {Reactions} 👍 [09-Oct-24 01:20 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 i can see also that norwick base for DW its not profitable anymore as the oogcapitalmanagement tutoriel [09-Oct-24 01:22 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 BMP seem to be the simpliest and strongest base to make to start [09-Oct-24 01:22 AM] realharvey#0000 its probably because the Price of Water has gotten up in the meantime. But thats already the first lesson learned. Any plan you make today will have a different outcome in the weeks to come [09-Oct-24 01:23 AM] realharvey#0000 yes its very flexible. If one product is not viable anymore. There is tons of other options [09-Oct-24 01:30 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 Based on everyone return [09-Oct-24 01:30 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 And on my play style, i thing it will be 100% more productive to build an "low maintenance base" [09-Oct-24 01:30 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 that will give a starting income [09-Oct-24 01:31 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/34ea2d7a-b76e-49a3-adab-371563be180a {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/34ea2d7a-b76e-49a3-adab-371563be180a PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Oct-24 01:31 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 H20 extraction, on Frost (CoGC of extraction) [09-Oct-24 01:33 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 its seem that a BMP base of I will also be good : https://prunplanner.org/shared/4c5ab943-d61a-4cea-94ae-087ce02a2447 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/4c5ab943-d61a-4cea-94ae-087ce02a2447 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Oct-24 01:33 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 but its will need a lot of daily ship action and also +110t exceed [09-Oct-24 01:41 AM] realharvey#0000 Flight time to frost is about 2 days. With 5 Days of storage you have a very tight window [09-Oct-24 01:42 AM] realharvey#0000 cant go wrong with a full BMP base. But you should add 1 STO to it :) [09-Oct-24 01:43 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 1 STO ? [09-Oct-24 01:43 AM] realharvey#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293463784064553000/image.png?ex=68151245&is=6813c0c5&hm=1fe52abbf9089e6fe3e2f1c7e97648e3cef44f365b60efd5dda1fb9fe51f8f72& [09-Oct-24 01:43 AM] realharvey#0000 1 STO there [09-Oct-24 01:43 AM] realharvey#0000 gives you 5k/5k more Space in your base [09-Oct-24 01:43 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 so this base [09-Oct-24 01:43 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/4c5ab943-d61a-4cea-94ae-087ce02a2447 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/4c5ab943-d61a-4cea-94ae-087ce02a2447 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Oct-24 01:43 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 final world [09-Oct-24 01:43 AM] realharvey#0000 wrong link again :D [09-Oct-24 01:44 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/4c5ab943-d61a-4cea-94ae-087ce02a2447 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/4c5ab943-d61a-4cea-94ae-087ce02a2447 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Oct-24 01:44 AM] realharvey#0000 sounds good! [09-Oct-24 05:44 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 so it will be BMP on Hephaestus is my next plan, hope i will got the AGP grant to make it faster 🙂 [09-Oct-24 05:44 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 have good day alls [09-Oct-24 05:53 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't think it's the best option [09-Oct-24 05:53 AM] laaxus#0000 But that's your call [09-Oct-24 06:05 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 i mean their is a lot of things a BMP armys can make [09-Oct-24 06:06 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 you think i should stay on phobos ? [09-Oct-24 06:18 AM] laaxus#0000 no [09-Oct-24 06:19 AM] laaxus#0000 i just think there are better options [09-Oct-24 06:19 AM] laaxus#0000 . [09-Oct-24 06:36 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 its just maybe to complexe [09-Oct-24 06:36 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 their is so mutch bases ^^' [09-Oct-24 07:01 AM] realharvey#0000 All of these plans are great as well. But they are super reliant on inputs and don't offer much alternatives it there is a shortage [09-Oct-24 07:05 AM] laaxus#0000 Same thing with full BMP, no ? [09-Oct-24 07:23 AM] realharvey#0000 Not really. You have a lot of options: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293549424743677983/image.png?ex=6814b947&is=681367c7&hm=dbefaf53b88d0b861dda20a8d3859464701e409dc3193851eb6fb044c639e58e& [09-Oct-24 07:26 AM] realharvey#0000 Half a PP2 base on Aceland/Nike -> Almost everything dependend on AL prices. FP base on norwick - Dependend on Agri products or Water (Not alot of Agri products hit the Market and Water is currently expensive) Half a Pol base on elon - Dependend on C or CL which both have a tendency to spike quite a bit. Chp base on elon - is more Expensive to build, havent looked in detail to be honest. Inc base on nascent - dependend on Agri products [09-Oct-24 07:27 AM] tanda#0000 More accurate list, lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293550341664538684/image.png?ex=6814ba22&is=681368a2&hm=6f8ba3eb20d5cd85793c9c9779158b53f7772e6573b477e922f24152ea95a854& [09-Oct-24 07:27 AM] realharvey#0000 Everything has its advantages or disadvantages. I think BMP is more of a save bet when it comes to the first base [09-Oct-24 07:28 AM] realharvey#0000 Your options are perfect expansions. Once you have your own agri Nascent and FP bases are great [09-Oct-24 07:28 AM] realharvey#0000 before that I advise against it [09-Oct-24 07:28 AM] realharvey#0000 Chemistry has good revenue, but C might bite ya unexpected [09-Oct-24 07:30 AM] realharvey#0000 with a BMP: The market does not consume everything you produce? Switch recipe for a while until stuff sells out. Your input has a heavy spike? Oh I'll just start producing this instead then EXO super expensive on the CX currently? I'll get into making it myself aswell then [09-Oct-24 07:32 AM] laaxus#0000 currently nothing sell [09-Oct-24 07:33 AM] laaxus#0000 it took a week to sell my rep stock [09-Oct-24 07:33 AM] laaxus#0000 and let's not talk about pe [09-Oct-24 07:33 AM] laaxus#0000 PT and MCG are probably best bet, but there's already a lot of supply of that [09-Oct-24 07:33 AM] laaxus#0000 I just feel like there's too many bmp out there [09-Oct-24 07:34 AM] realharvey#0000 PE Looks like a super healthy market on the CX {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293552134448480286/image.png?ex=6814bbcd&is=68136a4d&hm=2a8b1008d682b7b88813922d65bf10da2989c2198df2631ce893efafe7f859dc& [09-Oct-24 07:34 AM] tanda#0000 I literally just bought about 30k to supplement what I get from Okawari [09-Oct-24 07:35 AM] realharvey#0000 I could also buy like 100k PE [09-Oct-24 07:35 AM] realharvey#0000 for my LBH production [09-Oct-24 07:35 AM] realharvey#0000 rep sells slow. That is right. The consumption speed of that is pretty minimal [09-Oct-24 07:40 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, PE is not that profitable right now It had a ask price of like 8 for more than a week Glad that it at least went back up from that [09-Oct-24 07:44 AM] realharvey#0000 I was going to say that anything higher than 8 AIC per Unit is highway robbery, but man did production prices increase for it [09-Oct-24 07:45 AM] realharvey#0000 if you have issues selling PE you can sell it to me [09-Oct-24 08:17 AM] marat_sh#0000 how so? C is not cheap + H spiked [09-Oct-24 08:22 AM] marat_sh#0000 lower then 8/u only worth in large quantities [09-Oct-24 08:22 AM] marat_sh#0000 I am talking about 12k+ per day sales [09-Oct-24 08:24 AM] marat_sh#0000 around 8.5-9.5 I think it's a sweet spot [09-Oct-24 08:31 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 H2O prices underline your base commodity prices, which then reflect your eventual supply-based valuations on the markets. Without price-competition, you still have the same people dealing with pretty much the same metrics, be they through Prunplanner, or by hand-made excel. First we had the AL crash. Then we had the RAT crash, and now the H2O crash. I wouldn't be surprised of all other other sectors started to re-evaluate their metrics... but who knows? [09-Oct-24 09:06 AM] realharvey#0000 Last time I checked for PE a few months ago production costs of that have been quite a bit cheaper. Current price is actually fair like that [09-Oct-24 09:25 AM] marat_sh#0000 Cost to make PE is around 6.61/u and selling it 8/u it's a ~21% margin. Cost to make PG is around 24.19/u and selling at 38/u it's ~57% margin [09-Oct-24 09:26 AM] marat_sh#0000 so selling PE below 8 just doesn't make sense [09-Oct-24 10:25 AM] jvaler#0000 @doctorwhofr okay so i wanna check up with you what's your most recent plan like? have you diversified your recipe usage? going 100% into MCG isn't practical after all [09-Oct-24 10:29 AM] realharvey#0000 I think we are having a misunderstanding. By saying *"I was going to say that anything higher than 8 AIC per Unit is highway robbery, but man did production prices increase for it"* I was trying to say, that the price is currently fair when you look at the math but my gut feeling was its to pricey [09-Oct-24 10:32 AM] razenpok#0000 *I remember 30 AIC/u H2O* :Cry2: [09-Oct-24 10:33 AM] razenpok#0000 Or 40 AIC/u SFK {Reactions} 👆 [09-Oct-24 10:35 AM] marat_sh#0000 I am sorry... I didn't read the last part after the comma 🥲 My bad [09-Oct-24 10:35 AM] marat_sh#0000 the inputs are kinda pricey right now that is true [09-Oct-24 10:40 AM] jvaler#0000 this was so evil [09-Oct-24 10:40 AM] jvaler#0000 dark times [09-Oct-24 11:20 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 nah not MCG because i cant handle the full 20 BMP of MCG [09-Oct-24 11:20 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 i have found other BMP things that i can made like "I" [09-Oct-24 11:21 AM] jvaler#0000 uhh i'd advise against I lol. it's traded volume is super low {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293609254413930507/image.png?ex=6814f100&is=68139f80&hm=a8043a71a180de706eb7320266104de09b23feefc0bbe7f0be4515c86591331b& [09-Oct-24 11:21 AM] jvaler#0000 it can go a week without selling anything, which is bad for a new player {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293609386459136152/image.png?ex=6814f11f&is=68139f9f&hm=1c55f23c130294f83bb5cb429400a14f787878021b86ab99e27795e28ef1578a& [09-Oct-24 11:21 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 its only produce 100 a day [09-Oct-24 11:22 AM] jvaler#0000 that's still 2x the weekly traded... [09-Oct-24 11:22 AM] laaxus#0000 as a new player, I ***HEAVILY*** recommend to only look at profitability from buying at ask price and selling at bid [09-Oct-24 11:23 AM] laaxus#0000 you ***CANT*** afford to wait the market {Reactions} 👆 [09-Oct-24 11:23 AM] laaxus#0000 I can't stress it enough [09-Oct-24 11:23 AM] laaxus#0000 or you can ignore my advice and see how it goes [09-Oct-24 11:23 AM] laaxus#0000 you're not the first trying to produce I [09-Oct-24 11:23 AM] laaxus#0000 then see no one buys it [09-Oct-24 11:24 AM] jvaler#0000 to be fair CXOB I.AI1 is totally empty lol [09-Oct-24 11:24 AM] jvaler#0000 so who knows if there's secretly demand =P [09-Oct-24 11:24 AM] jvaler#0000 i absolutely wouldn't risk it though [09-Oct-24 11:24 AM] jvaler#0000 just not worth it [09-Oct-24 11:24 AM] laaxus#0000 if there was demand, there would be bid orders [09-Oct-24 11:25 AM] jvaler#0000 well there are [09-Oct-24 11:25 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 nah [09-Oct-24 11:25 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 ok [09-Oct-24 11:25 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 its because [09-Oct-24 11:25 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 i was thinking that the market [09-Oct-24 11:25 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 auto buy all objects [09-Oct-24 11:25 AM] laaxus#0000 why would you think that [09-Oct-24 11:25 AM] laaxus#0000 market is player driven [09-Oct-24 11:25 AM] laaxus#0000 only players interact with the market [09-Oct-24 11:25 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 but MCG [09-Oct-24 11:25 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 i can sell it infinitly [09-Oct-24 11:26 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 to Market Maker [09-Oct-24 11:26 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 in Antares [09-Oct-24 11:26 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 as many other ressources [09-Oct-24 11:26 AM] laaxus#0000 you can buy infinitly [09-Oct-24 11:26 AM] laaxus#0000 not sell [09-Oct-24 11:26 AM] laaxus#0000 unless you're producing IDC or NA, you won't sell indefinitly [09-Oct-24 11:26 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293610580044943472/image.png?ex=6814f23c&is=6813a0bc&hm=797b349de273bef4002930b7e578ce660b2eb3b9d7adf8e6962837c1dc158644& [09-Oct-24 11:26 AM] laaxus#0000 to sell at that price is a loss [09-Oct-24 11:26 AM] jvaler#0000 having an NPC buy or sell your items is called a market maker, and only a handful of select items have them [09-Oct-24 11:27 AM] jvaler#0000 it's mostly tier 1 goods that are just essential for the universe to function at all [09-Oct-24 11:27 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 i was just answering your question > why would you think that [09-Oct-24 11:27 AM] laaxus#0000 yes it auto buys or sell [09-Oct-24 11:27 AM] laaxus#0000 at either a price so low it is a loss [09-Oct-24 11:28 AM] laaxus#0000 or so high it's overpriced [09-Oct-24 11:28 AM] laaxus#0000 very few commodity is it actually a good price [09-Oct-24 11:28 AM] laaxus#0000 NA IDC, CBM are a few examples [09-Oct-24 11:28 AM] laaxus#0000 but most MM are out of touch with reality [09-Oct-24 11:29 AM] laaxus#0000 anyway, in prun, set CX settings to buy at ask, sell at bid [09-Oct-24 11:29 AM] laaxus#0000 or do not, I can't control you [09-Oct-24 11:29 AM] jvaler#0000 all bfabs too {Reactions} ✅ [09-Oct-24 11:30 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 ok [09-Oct-24 11:30 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 what about REP [09-Oct-24 11:30 AM] laaxus#0000 Fair price low volume [09-Oct-24 11:30 AM] jvaler#0000 i like REP [09-Oct-24 11:30 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 low volume, fair price, low storage for ship [09-Oct-24 11:31 AM] laaxus#0000 Just so you know, I'm also producing rep [09-Oct-24 11:31 AM] jvaler#0000 it's very easy on logistics, but the INS it takes can be quite expensive to get a buffer of [09-Oct-24 11:31 AM] laaxus#0000 and I put a large ask order at 600 [09-Oct-24 11:31 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 so i am following the good path [09-Oct-24 11:31 AM] laaxus#0000 no one undercut me, and even then it took more than a week to sell it [09-Oct-24 11:32 AM] laaxus#0000 that's why you should always try to sell it imediatelly at bid price, so you can buy input good and keep producing [09-Oct-24 11:32 AM] laaxus#0000 find the recipe that give you the best ROI with buying at ask, selling at bid [09-Oct-24 11:33 AM] jvaler#0000 REP has a solid bid foundation on CXOB, but idk how profitable the recipe actually is at 500/u [09-Oct-24 11:34 AM] laaxus#0000 very low [09-Oct-24 11:34 AM] laaxus#0000 profitable, but low [09-Oct-24 11:34 AM] laaxus#0000 22k profit a day [09-Oct-24 11:34 AM] jvaler#0000 eesh [09-Oct-24 11:34 AM] laaxus#0000 best recipe is MCG currently [09-Oct-24 11:34 AM] laaxus#0000 ~~with 77k profit per day~~ [09-Oct-24 11:35 AM] laaxus#0000 ~~second one is PT, at 59k~~ [09-Oct-24 11:35 AM] tanda#0000 Speaking as the 6th top producer of Iodine, don't make Iodine. Almost all of it is made to be used internally [09-Oct-24 11:35 AM] laaxus#0000 ~~and rep, at 48k~~ [09-Oct-24 11:35 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 it's pretty good actually, with current prices. [09-Oct-24 11:35 AM] jvaler#0000 PT is that good? hm... maybe i should lower my order lol [09-Oct-24 11:35 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293612891332677783/Screenshot_from_2024-10-09_11-35-11.png?ex=6814f463&is=6813a2e3&hm=6a69efe45d3820a07d34c16c8569dcd8e88b97596f5f1094c1b452355b8b35ac& [09-Oct-24 11:36 AM] laaxus#0000 My price were not updated [09-Oct-24 11:36 AM] jvaler#0000 oop [09-Oct-24 11:37 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 PT look cool but their is not a lot of demand [09-Oct-24 11:37 AM] laaxus#0000 best recipe is MPCG at 53k per day second one is PT at 51k Rest is so low profit it's bad [09-Oct-24 11:37 AM] laaxus#0000 yes, with 20 bmp, you could fulfill the 3k demand in 5 days [09-Oct-24 11:37 AM] laaxus#0000 your one real option is MCG [09-Oct-24 11:37 AM] laaxus#0000 that's all [09-Oct-24 11:37 AM] laaxus#0000 that's why I did not recommend BMP [09-Oct-24 11:38 AM] jvaler#0000 PT's bid is much closer to the ask than REP's though. you'll get a better deal on it [09-Oct-24 11:38 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293613518049771591/image.png?ex=6814f4f8&is=6813a378&hm=480b3ece7de5516537a568e0ed8c3cb1ad786256f19e961321587d2de996ba78& [09-Oct-24 11:38 AM] jvaler#0000 😐 you diversify [09-Oct-24 11:38 AM] jvaler#0000 you don't put all 20 BMP on 1 recipe [09-Oct-24 11:38 AM] laaxus#0000 no recipe is profitable except mcg and pt [09-Oct-24 11:39 AM] laaxus#0000 you can't diversify [09-Oct-24 11:39 AM] laaxus#0000 PE price is so low it's almost producing at a loss [09-Oct-24 11:39 AM] jvaler#0000 that's cause H is expensive rn [09-Oct-24 11:40 AM] jvaler#0000 but bids are trash anyways... ofc everything looks bad [09-Oct-24 11:40 AM] laaxus#0000 new players have to sell at bid buy at ask [09-Oct-24 11:40 AM] laaxus#0000 they have to buy input goods [09-Oct-24 11:40 AM] laaxus#0000 to keep producing [09-Oct-24 11:40 AM] jvaler#0000 they don't have to [09-Oct-24 11:40 AM] laaxus#0000 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [09-Oct-24 11:40 AM] jvaler#0000 and we're giving them 1mil AIC [09-Oct-24 11:41 AM] laaxus#0000 Anyway, my point is [09-Oct-24 11:41 AM] laaxus#0000 don't build BMP {Reactions} 🚫 (2) [09-Oct-24 11:41 AM] laaxus#0000 build one of these [09-Oct-24 11:41 AM] laaxus#0000 and you'll make profit [09-Oct-24 11:42 AM] laaxus#0000 that's my advice [09-Oct-24 11:42 AM] laaxus#0000 do what you want with it {Reactions} ✅ [09-Oct-24 11:43 AM] jcheung#0000 BMP has plenty of profitable stuff other than I [09-Oct-24 11:44 AM] realharvey#0000 Market is always shifting. A few weeks ago BMP is great. Now its worse. I see. But all this can happen to your other options aswell :D [09-Oct-24 11:44 AM] realharvey#0000 vertical integration is key to long lasting profits {Reactions} 👍 [09-Oct-24 11:44 AM] manhim#0000 https://tenor.com/view/tv-shows-the-big-bang-theory-tbbt-sheldon-cooper-paper-gif-14859879 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/tv-shows-the-big-bang-theory-tbbt-sheldon-cooper-paper-gif-14859879 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/-B6DffGdk53zC4TjYQqWmSzIQm9QrgCca1MbYUKXamw/https/media.tenor.com/y3scCKDdzLwAAAAe/tv-shows-the-big-bang-theory.png [09-Oct-24 11:44 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If you haven't done the wikis/tutorials, production planning, then don't aim for Prunplanner ppu metrics. [09-Oct-24 11:45 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, and I suspect it's getting worse because every single new adi member is building a BMP base, while there are other good options [09-Oct-24 11:45 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I make my own MG, for PG production. I make my own I for MHL production. I'm not going to buy your stuff, ever. [09-Oct-24 11:45 AM] jcheung#0000 ....i'm pretty sure everyone is doing SMEs 😂 {Reactions} 😂 [09-Oct-24 11:46 AM] realharvey#0000 but there is never enough AL in the market [09-Oct-24 11:46 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 .... there is? [09-Oct-24 11:46 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 you just might have opportunists who eat up everything before you can see it. [09-Oct-24 11:46 AM] realharvey#0000 then there is not enough supply [09-Oct-24 11:46 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 so what was the bad side of my H20 base ? https://prunplanner.org/shared/34ea2d7a-b76e-49a3-adab-371563be180a {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/34ea2d7a-b76e-49a3-adab-371563be180a PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Oct-24 11:47 AM] realharvey#0000 If I'd start buying my AL instead of making it myself the AL market will crash big time [09-Oct-24 11:47 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'd recommending making use of the internet requests/offers chat in here. [09-Oct-24 11:47 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 h2o bases? lets see [09-Oct-24 11:47 AM] realharvey#0000 the two day flight to ANT [09-Oct-24 11:47 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You're at Frost... [09-Oct-24 11:47 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 or you want to be. [09-Oct-24 11:48 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 ok but what is important in that distance [09-Oct-24 11:48 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 like i can just stock it ? [09-Oct-24 11:48 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's a solid resource there. Meaning that you'll get 2/3 of the potential output, if you were to drop on a Liquid, and equivalent deposit elsewhere. [09-Oct-24 11:48 AM] laaxus#0000 you'll produce more than you can ship, that's the issue [09-Oct-24 11:48 AM] laaxus#0000 stock is not what matters [09-Oct-24 11:48 AM] laaxus#0000 shipping is a resource [09-Oct-24 11:48 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 That too. [09-Oct-24 11:48 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 its say 297.67t [09-Oct-24 11:49 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Are you a starter? [09-Oct-24 11:49 AM] laaxus#0000 ship are **expensive** a new ship is 4 to 6M AIC [09-Oct-24 11:49 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 100% starter [09-Oct-24 11:49 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 why i need more ship ? [09-Oct-24 11:49 AM] laaxus#0000 so you must include shipping in your profitability [09-Oct-24 11:49 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 i already got two ? [09-Oct-24 11:49 AM] laaxus#0000 won't be enough for long [09-Oct-24 11:49 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You have x2 SCB FTLs available to you. Per those base metrics, you will be need to ship ever 2 days.... [09-Oct-24 11:49 AM] laaxus#0000 especially if you take bases far away [09-Oct-24 11:49 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 2 day trip to-from ANT.. .Meaning you will be stuck there, until you can buy another LCB ship. [09-Oct-24 11:49 AM] realharvey#0000 Your export frequenzy is 1,68 which means that you need to fly alot {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293616457766273066/image.png?ex=6814f7b5&is=6813a635&hm=c021aa974702a0fae079e8a6df038b597ae4babf06fb5fbeddb8b8a3a255b806& [09-Oct-24 11:50 AM] realharvey#0000 it takes your ship 2 days from there to ant. and 2 days back [09-Oct-24 11:50 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 where do you see this ? [09-Oct-24 11:50 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Lol.... [09-Oct-24 11:50 AM] laaxus#0000 to give you another point of view, I have 2 3000m3 1000t ship. One of my base requires one back and forth a week. Compare that with your base [09-Oct-24 11:51 AM] realharvey#0000 blue button next to overview at the top [09-Oct-24 11:51 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293616913032810607/image.png?ex=6814f822&is=6813a6a2&hm=9fb74850cf752c16475f0f3362ae3d8cf513e090de7ac65668ec80f6bb411495& [09-Oct-24 11:51 AM] realharvey#0000 Ships are expensive. When you bind all your ships you cant expand until you get another one [09-Oct-24 11:51 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 for the BMP base [09-Oct-24 11:52 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 what does this mean [09-Oct-24 11:52 AM] realharvey#0000 which products? [09-Oct-24 11:52 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 MCG [09-Oct-24 11:52 AM] realharvey#0000 with your starter ships you'd have to export twice a day [09-Oct-24 11:52 AM] realharvey#0000 MCG is to heavy for you [09-Oct-24 11:52 AM] realharvey#0000 or atleast the full base dedicated to it [09-Oct-24 11:53 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 just i need to understand [09-Oct-24 11:53 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 like the metric showed ^^' [09-Oct-24 11:53 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293617360326098964/image.png?ex=6814f88c&is=6813a70c&hm=889c30193c43994384420b474eb09a6b6932999138d87c543aa6074761c94525& [09-Oct-24 11:53 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 that is a full BMP MCG x20 base [09-Oct-24 11:53 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/4c5ab943-d61a-4cea-94ae-087ce02a2447 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/4c5ab943-d61a-4cea-94ae-087ce02a2447 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Oct-24 11:53 AM] realharvey#0000 yes [09-Oct-24 11:54 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293617474574614629/image.png?ex=6814f8a8&is=6813a728&hm=d15c8f72570e84b7c6782a72f2742f67cba6e30b91fd482316d3e016e0ddfb74& [09-Oct-24 11:54 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 like why 1000 have more visitation frequency ^' [09-Oct-24 11:54 AM] laaxus#0000 You have a 500 500 ship do first line [09-Oct-24 11:54 AM] realharvey#0000 You are reading it wrong [09-Oct-24 11:54 AM] laaxus#0000 This means you would have to do 2 back and forth for inport and export [09-Oct-24 11:55 AM] laaxus#0000 0.63 are days [09-Oct-24 11:55 AM] realharvey#0000 if it says: "0,63" it means you have to visit it about twice a day. If it would say "7" you would have to export once a week [09-Oct-24 11:55 AM] laaxus#0000 So one back and forth every 0.42 days, which is 2.5 Time per day [09-Oct-24 11:55 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 and of course this is a bad things ? [09-Oct-24 11:56 AM] laaxus#0000 Ships are a ressource [09-Oct-24 11:56 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 ok so its like how many frequently [09-Oct-24 11:56 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 my ship [09-Oct-24 11:56 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 will be used [09-Oct-24 11:56 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 to do this all things [09-Oct-24 11:56 AM] laaxus#0000 When you'll want to expand, you'll need ships to supply that New base [09-Oct-24 11:57 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 like if i had a 1000/3000 ship it will be possible to go export and import [09-Oct-24 11:57 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 @laaxus if you're geting nowhere with your explanations, then give them 1-2 weeks to figure it out, on their own. [09-Oct-24 11:57 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 only every 2 days [09-Oct-24 11:57 AM] jcheung#0000 higher is better [09-Oct-24 11:57 AM] laaxus#0000 Yeah, I'm tired [09-Oct-24 11:57 AM] laaxus#0000 They'll learn [09-Oct-24 11:58 AM] laaxus#0000 Or I'm wrong [09-Oct-24 11:58 AM] laaxus#0000 In any case I tried [09-Oct-24 11:58 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 sorry to ask question [09-Oct-24 11:58 AM] doctorwhofr#0000 have a good day all [09-Oct-24 11:59 AM] laaxus#0000 Was not talking about you [09-Oct-24 11:59 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Newbros don't usually experience shipping issues, until they do start to expand, and incurr "issues", and then ask for help somewhere else. [09-Oct-24 11:59 AM] laaxus#0000 Maybe I'm Bad at explaining things, that's a possibility too [09-Oct-24 12:00 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 hum [09-Oct-24 12:00 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 if i understand you [09-Oct-24 12:00 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 my H2O base [09-Oct-24 12:00 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 is so better then the MCG one ^^' [09-Oct-24 12:00 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293619118418825246/image.png?ex=6814fa30&is=6813a8b0&hm=f8b7540a050729df126a542041e82a991b2a2c87e3596f326c4269d59d77865d& [09-Oct-24 12:00 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 its only every 1,6 day and only use 1 ship [09-Oct-24 12:01 PM] marat_sh#0000 keep in mind travel time [09-Oct-24 12:01 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 OOOOOH [09-Oct-24 12:01 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 OF COURSE [09-Oct-24 12:01 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 2day [09-Oct-24 12:01 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 of travel [09-Oct-24 12:01 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 yeh sorry [09-Oct-24 12:01 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Build 25% of that planned base, then let us know how it works out. [09-Oct-24 12:01 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 make sense now [09-Oct-24 12:02 PM] marat_sh#0000 for my 500/500 I don't do more then 500/500 import export Since that would mean I need to send ship 24/7 [09-Oct-24 12:02 PM] marat_sh#0000 and burn more fuel to be in time [09-Oct-24 12:02 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 See, it all eventually clicks. [09-Oct-24 12:02 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 and only 1 day of ship travel i suppose ? [09-Oct-24 12:02 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 because H2O is actually an less 500/500 import {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293619729935892545/image.png?ex=6814fac1&is=6813a941&hm=a78d016423978ee2c69265cd87daa028371af244877fe13bad1b7a8a01321a02& [09-Oct-24 12:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeah so if it takes 40h for round trip I go for 250/250 import export [09-Oct-24 12:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 it's easier with better cargo but for now in general try to not go over 500t/500m3 on export import per day [09-Oct-24 12:04 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 ok thx for that all advice [09-Oct-24 12:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 as for BMPs they are fine right now but you need to mix items [09-Oct-24 12:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 I do MCG/REP/EXO/PE [09-Oct-24 12:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 they used to be amazing but more people got into them so prices dropped [09-Oct-24 12:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 but they still make money [09-Oct-24 12:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 just not as much as they used to [09-Oct-24 12:06 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 just to understand with the shipping part [09-Oct-24 12:06 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 Export Frequency [09-Oct-24 12:06 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 its link to storage size ? [09-Oct-24 12:07 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 like why i can just stock H2O and sell it in batch ? [09-Oct-24 12:07 PM] marat_sh#0000 your CM gives you 1500/1500 storage... It's enough for begining but later you would want to add 1 STO (it will make storage 6500/6500) [09-Oct-24 12:07 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 1500 [09-Oct-24 12:07 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 thx [09-Oct-24 12:07 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 make more sense [09-Oct-24 12:08 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 making 1k a day of H2O [09-Oct-24 12:08 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 of course i need to sell it [09-Oct-24 12:08 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 ok make sense [09-Oct-24 12:08 PM] tanda#0000 Why not do the H2O base at Ice Station Alpha? [09-Oct-24 12:08 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 its 2 day to ^^' [09-Oct-24 12:08 PM] marat_sh#0000 where is your H20 production? I am confused I thought you are doing BMPs [09-Oct-24 12:09 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 no its just because their is so mutch fight about BMP [09-Oct-24 12:09 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 that i started to plan another thing to test ^^' [09-Oct-24 12:09 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293621361566158848/image.png?ex=6814fc46&is=6813aac6&hm=d6c4dddc04abda594202cc1c946edc235561d19da88908f20fd6ed6a8f9842cc& [09-Oct-24 12:09 PM] marat_sh#0000 Ah I see [09-Oct-24 12:10 PM] jcheung#0000 *note, above image is not of your base [09-Oct-24 12:10 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 yes but make sense thankls [09-Oct-24 12:10 PM] jcheung#0000 for shipping take lower of the two frequencies [09-Oct-24 12:11 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If one wishes to march, to the sound of their own drum, Let them go through, those yearning fires and flame; But should they recant, and seek another to blame, Of them I shall readily make, thoroughly numb. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jgrCKhxE1s 😛 {Embed} DragonForce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jgrCKhxE1s DragonForce - Through the Fire and Flames (Official Video) 🐲🎵 New album 'Warp Speed Warriors' OUT NOW! 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XD [09-Oct-24 12:13 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 so H2O its dump idea [09-Oct-24 12:13 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 ^^' [09-Oct-24 12:13 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 ok [09-Oct-24 12:13 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Well... It's good, you just need to grow a little bit more, before you can do it 24/7. [09-Oct-24 12:13 PM] laaxus#0000 There's no easy money in a player Driven economy [09-Oct-24 12:14 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 yeh like i need bigger ship ^^' [09-Oct-24 12:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/idc-anime-gif-10194358973929882865 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/idc-anime-gif-10194358973929882865 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/v4KQCVoZfhWqF73ySKe68A30LAGA-ZWOXTN6TvcjDA4/https/media.tenor.com/jXmjeYnoBPEAAAAe/idc-anime.png {Reactions} 🤣 (2) [09-Oct-24 12:14 PM] laaxus#0000 But you don't have the money for yhat [09-Oct-24 12:14 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 but BMP bases are also hard to manage [09-Oct-24 12:14 PM] jcheung#0000 sure there is. rent your permits to someone else [09-Oct-24 12:14 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293622670780403836/image.png?ex=6814fd7f&is=6813abff&hm=585a03762ae6403d04445402a7e7ad8e432027c7e70ba3bda0c8e4b14d7bb04c& [09-Oct-24 12:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 1191t per day on import [09-Oct-24 12:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 bad [09-Oct-24 12:15 PM] jcheung#0000 so then do a mix of buildings [09-Oct-24 12:15 PM] marat_sh#0000 1191t > 500 [09-Oct-24 12:15 PM] jcheung#0000 do like [09-Oct-24 12:15 PM] jcheung#0000 PPF [09-Oct-24 12:15 PM] marat_sh#0000 PPF items don't sell [09-Oct-24 12:15 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Mmm..... [09-Oct-24 12:15 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 A PE base could be good? [09-Oct-24 12:15 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293622933566263397/image.png?ex=6814fdbd&is=6813ac3d&hm=5778a320ccc11ab340692e689613bdbcd46e24bb3f1a0232725513e697be8fd8& [09-Oct-24 12:15 PM] laaxus#0000 Yes but it's not a lot of money Tho it's a very good Idea If you like the Idea of guaranted 44k day profit with low shipping, without needed to fund the base, contact riseoffilth [09-Oct-24 12:15 PM] laaxus#0000 @doctorwhofr [09-Oct-24 12:16 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293623022300696638/image.png?ex=6814fdd2&is=6813ac52&hm=1cbd50dd663d2483774dba22a4d0f2d5df25c9ca56d386b9033ab6b2312c4939& [09-Oct-24 12:16 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 They don't sell well since they're all shipbuilding stuff. [09-Oct-24 12:16 PM] jcheung#0000 tbh closer to 30k [09-Oct-24 12:16 PM] marat_sh#0000 I can fill first two BIDs in few hours [09-Oct-24 12:16 PM] laaxus#0000 Riseoffilth offers 44k [09-Oct-24 12:16 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Maybe, you'll get a little bit of sales from CMs from new expansions... But they totally undershoot production capacities. [09-Oct-24 12:17 PM] marat_sh#0000 WPLs are better for market then PPF [09-Oct-24 12:17 PM] marat_sh#0000 PPF is too verticaly integrated [09-Oct-24 12:17 PM] jcheung#0000 i have 3 bases with him. it's a lot closer to 30k. [09-Oct-24 12:18 PM] jcheung#0000 yes, but harder to get started [09-Oct-24 12:18 PM] marat_sh#0000 currect [09-Oct-24 12:19 PM] jcheung#0000 at 2k PSL a week, you would need around 50 PPFs to make 5% of the consumption, assuming that 2k is standard [09-Oct-24 12:19 PM] jcheung#0000 it also regularly sells at ASK [09-Oct-24 12:20 PM] jcheung#0000 though you'll probably sell in batches of 12 [09-Oct-24 12:20 PM] marat_sh#0000 I can make ~43 PSL per day [09-Oct-24 12:20 PM] marat_sh#0000 it's 2093/u to make [09-Oct-24 12:21 PM] marat_sh#0000 I don't have my own PG production so PG price is from CX [09-Oct-24 12:21 PM] jcheung#0000 that's what like 20 PPFs? [09-Oct-24 12:21 PM] jcheung#0000 ish? [09-Oct-24 12:21 PM] marat_sh#0000 16 right now [09-Oct-24 12:21 PM] marat_sh#0000 5 experts [09-Oct-24 12:21 PM] marat_sh#0000 + 16 BMPs [09-Oct-24 12:22 PM] jcheung#0000 right, so like.... an entire base full of PPFs might make a dent in things, but your base is what i'm suggesting... [09-Oct-24 12:22 PM] jcheung#0000 lightweight materials mixed with heavy [09-Oct-24 12:23 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeap that's my 2 permit Heph base right now {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293624970739712020/image.png?ex=6814ffa3&is=6813ae23&hm=08a046b19a6e5b5c7656a8a1e9d6a05470390028d6afebb0cd7723b3ee2546ba& [09-Oct-24 12:25 PM] marat_sh#0000 and my not finished Romulan a base {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293625431324627008/image.png?ex=68150011&is=6813ae91&hm=260320527612f7896ea43c167d7cf40fc6d6de533bcb607882acff76a3afc75d& [09-Oct-24 12:32 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 thx everyone [09-Oct-24 12:32 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 the shipping part was really usefull [09-Oct-24 12:32 PM] doctorwhofr#0000 and all other advice [09-Oct-24 12:51 PM] realharvey#0000 I have one with 47k hmm. I think only heph wpl was only a 30k deal because it was/is superlow maintenance rofllolbase [09-Oct-24 12:52 PM] jcheung#0000 47k after factoring in workforce cost? [09-Oct-24 12:52 PM] realharvey#0000 yup [09-Oct-24 12:52 PM] laaxus#0000 I have one at 44k/day [09-Oct-24 12:53 PM] realharvey#0000 I do get most workforce stuff even cheaper so its actually higher [09-Oct-24 12:54 PM] realharvey#0000 even if not. A not think about it 3 base a 30k boost is super nice per day to grow [09-Oct-24 12:55 PM] jcheung#0000 interesting. i have one base that does 20-22k/d after costs, one at 35k/d, one at 44k/d, so i guess i average slightly over 30/d/b [09-Oct-24 12:55 PM] realharvey#0000 which one is only 20-22k a day? o.O [09-Oct-24 12:55 PM] jcheung#0000 BRM [09-Oct-24 12:56 PM] laaxus#0000 you're getting ripped off my dude [09-Oct-24 12:56 PM] laaxus#0000 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [09-Oct-24 12:56 PM] jcheung#0000 no i'm not [09-Oct-24 12:56 PM] laaxus#0000 if you say so [09-Oct-24 12:56 PM] jcheung#0000 i wouldn't have a base making income otherwise [09-Oct-24 12:56 PM] jcheung#0000 between zero and 20,000 i'll take 20,000 [09-Oct-24 12:56 PM] realharvey#0000 did you talk to him about that? [09-Oct-24 12:57 PM] jcheung#0000 no, because of what i said earlier-it's better than 0. and i have permits open right now, so i'm not hurting [09-Oct-24 12:58 PM] jcheung#0000 and an average of 30k/d is perfectly fine by me [09-Oct-24 01:00 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://tenor.com/view/trying-not-to-laugh-zoom-in-close-up-holding-it-back-gif-17288301 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/trying-not-to-laugh-zoom-in-close-up-holding-it-back-gif-17288301 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/I-XVH0I852VahjQukRbu_FbWFwMPB31ffAu5N90ufjQ/https/media.tenor.com/JCYLRqm7oyIAAAAe/trying-not-to-laugh-zoom-in.png [09-Oct-24 01:00 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Things will change when you get your hands on new ships, and more capital. [09-Oct-24 01:00 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 :3 [09-Oct-24 01:01 PM] jcheung#0000 and then i renegotiate at that point. i figure for what he's done for me that base can stay for at least 6 months without me complaining about it [09-Oct-24 01:02 PM] realharvey#0000 I was just very suprised about it [09-Oct-24 01:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 maaan... in 6 months I can afford 3 and more bases to build myself [09-Oct-24 01:03 PM] realharvey#0000 or in 2 days when you get a loan [09-Oct-24 01:03 PM] jcheung#0000 i have 4 permit slots open that i'm just waiting for funds to fill 😛 need to cool it on my loans though [09-Oct-24 01:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 I don't build bases at full permits [09-Oct-24 01:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 maybe like 1/3 of permit first [09-Oct-24 01:04 PM] jcheung#0000 all mine are 1 permit [09-Oct-24 01:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 and slowly build it with funds it's making [09-Oct-24 01:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 I mean like 100-200 area [09-Oct-24 01:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 not full 500 area [09-Oct-24 01:04 PM] realharvey#0000 isnt it quite a chore to always to back to that baseplan to add another building to it? [09-Oct-24 01:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 Not really, I mean I am new so I only have 2 bases [09-Oct-24 01:05 PM] realharvey#0000 I've been procastinating rebuilding my nova honshu base to full WPL for quite a while due to that lol [09-Oct-24 01:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 barely any logistics [09-Oct-24 01:06 PM] marat_sh#0000 I am doing once a week Before pop report [09-Oct-24 01:06 PM] realharvey#0000 You are playing without loans right? [09-Oct-24 01:06 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeap [09-Oct-24 01:06 PM] marat_sh#0000 only 750k when started [09-Oct-24 01:07 PM] marat_sh#0000 ~6 mil in equity [09-Oct-24 01:07 PM] realharvey#0000 do you want to top it off to 1 mil like the others are getting now? [09-Oct-24 01:07 PM] marat_sh#0000 I didn't need it [09-Oct-24 01:07 PM] marat_sh#0000 750 was enough [09-Oct-24 01:07 PM] marat_sh#0000 everything else from sales [09-Oct-24 01:08 PM] marat_sh#0000 I have 1 mil on cash righ now [09-Oct-24 01:08 PM] marat_sh#0000 so I can potentially subsidize as well 😅 [09-Oct-24 01:08 PM] realharvey#0000 nah you shouldn't :) [09-Oct-24 01:08 PM] marat_sh#0000 "potentially" 😅 [09-Oct-24 01:08 PM] igfloz#0000 You'll need that 1 Mill once repairs come around [09-Oct-24 01:09 PM] marat_sh#0000 I demolish old buildings [09-Oct-24 01:09 PM] marat_sh#0000 and place them on new base [09-Oct-24 01:09 PM] marat_sh#0000 like I did with BMPs [09-Oct-24 01:09 PM] realharvey#0000 what [09-Oct-24 01:10 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293636604648493118/image.png?ex=68150a79&is=6813b8f9&hm=3bd8b85957ef97f3b30e7d00f7313d84146c941e4d9073de3b19d7e45b1331a5& [09-Oct-24 01:10 PM] igfloz#0000 Hope you don't demolish ships too and buy a new one, rofl {Reactions} 😂 [09-Oct-24 01:10 PM] marat_sh#0000 this one will be relocated to my new base on Nike [09-Oct-24 01:10 PM] realharvey#0000 as a BMP? [09-Oct-24 01:10 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeap [09-Oct-24 01:10 PM] jcheung#0000 wait [09-Oct-24 01:10 PM] marat_sh#0000 to make MCGs [09-Oct-24 01:10 PM] realharvey#0000 🙈 [09-Oct-24 01:10 PM] jcheung#0000 those don't match cogc do they? [09-Oct-24 01:10 PM] marat_sh#0000 nope [09-Oct-24 01:10 PM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/shame-game-of-thrones-gif-11381550 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/shame-game-of-thrones-gif-11381550 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Y84deC79IjdXpIzXGe2R5tG-_CY3z3irOxqILdMda5w/https/media.tenor.com/025m1-otvn0AAAAe/shame-game-of-thrones.png [09-Oct-24 01:11 PM] marat_sh#0000 but I don't care I need space on Heph for other stuff [09-Oct-24 01:11 PM] jcheung#0000 like what? [09-Oct-24 01:11 PM] marat_sh#0000 SCA/MCA [09-Oct-24 01:11 PM] marat_sh#0000 I still get 10% from Corp HQ there [09-Oct-24 01:11 PM] jcheung#0000 have you considered astraeus? [09-Oct-24 01:11 PM] realharvey#0000 MCG Needs LST which extracs okayish on Nike [09-Oct-24 01:12 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeap Exactly the reason why [09-Oct-24 01:12 PM] realharvey#0000 but BMP and EXT are not the COGC of nike. Which makes me go *GGRRRR* [09-Oct-24 01:12 PM] jcheung#0000 they're not as big as a WPL but they're twice the size of BMPs so you wouldn't be hit that hard for the special needs [09-Oct-24 01:13 PM] marat_sh#0000 I take Green planets over COGC any time [09-Oct-24 01:13 PM] jcheung#0000 #priorities [09-Oct-24 01:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 min maxing COGC is for later Right now I just need cash flow [09-Oct-24 01:15 PM] realharvey#0000 ignoring 25% COGC reduces your cashflow [09-Oct-24 01:16 PM] marat_sh#0000 Well You see, I am a manufacturing only [09-Oct-24 01:16 PM] marat_sh#0000 since there is only 5 Manufacturing COGCs [09-Oct-24 01:16 PM] marat_sh#0000 I have to improvise [09-Oct-24 01:17 PM] laaxus#0000 I respect that [09-Oct-24 01:17 PM] igfloz#0000 I mean, I can see the reasoning. If your looking for the corp HQ bonus vs personal HQ bonus, I kinda get it - it still feels wrong to me, but I kinda get your reasoning [09-Oct-24 01:18 PM] marat_sh#0000 Like I want to have some BMPs but since I have other plans for these 5 Manufacturing planets I need to put those BMPs somewhere else [09-Oct-24 01:18 PM] marat_sh#0000 and that would be Corp HQ [09-Oct-24 02:34 PM] evov#0000 I'm thinking about closing one of my PPF planets (and a connected POL planet that makes PG for it) So I've got 2 permits to put towards my next project. The supply side of PSM/PSL etc is low enough that I'm a little concerned about doing it as I can't afford to run out of those materials. [09-Oct-24 02:36 PM] evov#0000 So if anyone is interested in making a PPF Base, hit me up, I might be able to offer long term consistent buy's... and if it's on a planet I'm already on, maybe take delivery on that planet so you don't need to worry about shipping back to the CX. Makes for a very low logistics requirement base. [09-Oct-24 02:38 PM] marat_sh#0000 That was my plan I am getting my PPF productions for corp first then more for market [09-Oct-24 02:38 PM] marat_sh#0000 It will take a bit [09-Oct-24 02:38 PM] marat_sh#0000 but we will get there [09-Oct-24 02:39 PM] evov#0000 On average - they're not super high margin (though they do spike from time to time) - but.... they're low tier work force, and importantly, very low on logistics needs. So it makes it a fairly cheap base for newer players to dedicate a permit to. [09-Oct-24 02:43 PM] marat_sh#0000 constant sales help with lower margins [09-Oct-24 02:54 PM] evov#0000 I made a public offer to all the new players on Deimos to buy their metals output directly on Deimos. Only 1 person took advantage of that offer. Every time they get 100 AL produced on planet, I get a contract show up and they get cash. I also offered similar things where I'd provide and deliver all the inputs for something, and buy the output. So it functions like a short term loan and covers 90% of the logistics need for that process. - Again, only 1 person ever took me up on that offer. I think in general, people are unaware of how much $ they have tied up in product that they're waiting to sell. {Reactions} 💯 [09-Oct-24 02:56 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't use my sme to produce AL [09-Oct-24 02:56 PM] laaxus#0000 it's not profitable enough [09-Oct-24 02:56 PM] marat_sh#0000 AL at 786/u right now [09-Oct-24 02:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 I thinks it's not that bad [09-Oct-24 02:57 PM] laaxus#0000 nah [09-Oct-24 02:57 PM] laaxus#0000 not good enough for me [09-Oct-24 02:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 Hortus has AL cheaper 💀 [09-Oct-24 02:58 PM] laaxus#0000 rightn ow, it's producing si, for my own consumption [09-Oct-24 02:58 PM] laaxus#0000 46k per day, is not enough for me [09-Oct-24 02:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 👍 [09-Oct-24 03:00 PM] evov#0000 I think from memory - the person that's taken me up on the offer sells me AL, and LI regularly.. and is currently working through a KV order, that I paid for in advance and provided all the inputs needed. I suspect the cash forward for that KV funded most of their 2nd base. [09-Oct-24 03:59 PM] realharvey#0000 around 50k per Permit is what I guess is everything going down to once production and demand meet on a product [09-Oct-24 04:00 PM] realharvey#0000 higher tier goods will hit higher levels [09-Oct-24 04:00 PM] realharvey#0000 anything that has higher profit per permit will eventually also go down [09-Oct-24 04:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 I noticed it's 40-50k for T1 and 50-70k for T2 [09-Oct-24 04:01 PM] marat_sh#0000 T3+ are vertically integrated or have overpriced items [09-Oct-24 04:02 PM] realharvey#0000 a good old POL base making was raking in 120k profit per day when I started half a year ago [09-Oct-24 04:02 PM] realharvey#0000 now it came down to 66k [10-Oct-24 06:46 AM] cuendilar#0000 I got an invite to a corp „Galactic Trading Commission“ with 1k shares á 5k NCC. What is that? That feels scammy. 🤣 is there a chance to join an Antares-based corp? [10-Oct-24 06:48 AM] marat_sh#0000 shares are based on amount of players [10-Oct-24 06:48 AM] marat_sh#0000 1k per player [10-Oct-24 06:48 AM] marat_sh#0000 so there is 5 players [10-Oct-24 07:56 AM] cuendilar#0000 quick question: does this plan for a AL Base on Deimos suffice for a grant application: https://prunplanner.org/shared/2d3fb29a-221c-49ba-b73e-6936d749f75d ?? {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/2d3fb29a-221c-49ba-b73e-6936d749f75d PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [10-Oct-24 08:02 AM] laaxus#0000 An AL base is not bad, but have you explored other options ? [10-Oct-24 08:02 AM] laaxus#0000 look at pinned posts [10-Oct-24 08:08 AM] marat_sh#0000 you are not in corp so you don't get 10% HQ bonus [10-Oct-24 08:08 AM] marat_sh#0000 Try something like this https://prunplanner.org/shared/86de6d6b-019a-49d5-97e7-40a79660619d {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/86de6d6b-019a-49d5-97e7-40a79660619d PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [10-Oct-24 08:09 AM] marat_sh#0000 You can drop FE / STL until you deplete Li BIDs [10-Oct-24 08:49 AM] mancules#0000 Morning guys, I've been working through some plans for how to approach my first base, and I think the planner @marat_sh shared with me, and above, would be a good start to get going. While it isn't original would that qualify for a grant? The ROI is roughly 2 weeks which is pretty good. I want to participate in the Gateway Coop long term, so I'd reinvest down the road into ways to help. Currently, I'm still learning all the different materials in the game and the production lines. As it stands aiding the gateway project right now, I'm considering going into vortex fuel production long term once the update comes out, but in the meantime I'd just do my part assisting with other materials and preparing to set that up when the updates goes live. I don't know how practical that given I haven't seen a time line for when it would happen, but it's a long term plan nonetheless. Any thoughts? [10-Oct-24 08:50 AM] laaxus#0000 Gateway cost a shit ton, for now focus on growth [10-Oct-24 08:50 AM] marat_sh#0000 Gateway projects are for people who don't know what to do with their money... Get your bases up and running first [10-Oct-24 08:51 AM] marat_sh#0000 gateway project is more of a charity right now [10-Oct-24 08:51 AM] laaxus#0000 I would recommend to look at every base I recommended in the pinned post, and put them in prunplanner. You'd see many possibility and learn many things SME are not the only possibility for a good starter base ! [10-Oct-24 08:52 AM] marat_sh#0000 You producing stuff in ANT helps GDP growth -> Increasing funds in the sector -> more possibilities and trade [10-Oct-24 08:52 AM] mancules#0000 Understandable, I've noticed a few products that are in limited supply at the Antares Station, would a good longer term strategy for me be working on building up to production lines for those? Or should I just be dabbling base setups that are profitable similar to the SME base I'd build first? [10-Oct-24 08:53 AM] marat_sh#0000 So focus on the stuff you can sell right now "BIDs" see how fast you can fill them up and are they long term [10-Oct-24 08:53 AM] marat_sh#0000 for other items like CF [10-Oct-24 08:53 AM] marat_sh#0000 Ask people here [10-Oct-24 08:53 AM] mancules#0000 Will do! I did take a look through there, but was leaning towards the SME since I'm currently located on Deimos which is just O2, ALO, and H20 [10-Oct-24 08:53 AM] marat_sh#0000 many will buy them through the contracts [10-Oct-24 08:54 AM] mancules#0000 So, in my case since what I currently have is AL production lines, focus on filling out those BIDs just for that is what you're saying? [10-Oct-24 08:55 AM] marat_sh#0000 yeap [10-Oct-24 08:55 AM] marat_sh#0000 split 50/50 to put in ASK and sell the rest to BID [10-Oct-24 08:55 AM] marat_sh#0000 you will get your cash and you will earn more through ASK [10-Oct-24 08:57 AM] marat_sh#0000 also as a reference {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293935392692633671/image.png?ex=6814cf3d&is=68137dbd&hm=91fcd4ddfc682e64f867867abb17db792714b5ecb50fa051060f000a5bfb0f8a& {Reactions} 💯 [10-Oct-24 08:58 AM] mancules#0000 10-4, that's what I'll work on for now and I'll start reinvesting the profits back into upping my SMEs thanks! [10-Oct-24 08:59 AM] marat_sh#0000 Yeap get your SME base up and running save some cash Make sure you will have inputs for a week or two [10-Oct-24 08:59 AM] marat_sh#0000 then you can start thinking about second base [10-Oct-24 09:05 AM] marat_sh#0000 if you are not a "one category only" supremacist... Chemistry always has a demand [10-Oct-24 09:05 AM] marat_sh#0000 look into that as well [10-Oct-24 09:08 AM] mancules#0000 Will do, I'm gonna stick with AL production and the SMEs for the time being, I've got just enough cash to build another EXT and SME so I'm going to do that and I'll see if there's anything I can move into on the chemistry front once I have a bit more money lying around {Reactions} 👍 [10-Oct-24 09:09 AM] marat_sh#0000 Fill free to ask questions... If you are not sure if Items sells ask people... maybe you will find buyer [10-Oct-24 09:43 AM] cuendilar#0000 The starting-in-antares site is a nice read and just assures me that a Promitor - Farms are not mandatory at all. Tbh, i dont get half of the other pin-post... whats a "half a pp2" base? I'm kinda lost there. 😄 i took a dive into AL now and i think i'll stay there. it seems at least reasonable profitable for now, even without the 10% HQ bonus. What is "Hephaestos - Other BMP", tho? Seems mad profitable at 100k... [10-Oct-24 09:44 AM] marat_sh#0000 used to be if you mix in EXO / REP / MCG you get higher profits then just PE [10-Oct-24 09:45 AM] marat_sh#0000 now that EXO and REP prices dropped You can't get number anymore [10-Oct-24 09:45 AM] marat_sh#0000 it's still good thing to mix in some more profitable items that sell [10-Oct-24 09:45 AM] marat_sh#0000 just keep in mind to not overproduce daily buys [10-Oct-24 09:45 AM] marat_sh#0000 or prices will drop again [10-Oct-24 09:47 AM] marat_sh#0000 BMP recepies used to be one of the best (a few months ago) now they are average or below average [10-Oct-24 09:48 AM] laaxus#0000 prices and profits are not updated **BE CAREFUL** [10-Oct-24 09:48 AM] laaxus#0000 always check the current profit by putting the plan into prunplanner [10-Oct-24 09:48 AM] laaxus#0000 BMP are definitly below average right now [10-Oct-24 09:49 AM] laaxus#0000 I would chose any of my recomendations (in the pinned post) over a bmp base if I were to start again [10-Oct-24 10:46 AM] cuendilar#0000 I'm sure those are good suggestions, but for a new player it is hard to decipher. i get the "incinerators on nascent" and thats basically what i will do as 2nd base, but for the rest... i have no idea what those mean. 😄 sorry. Also, i'm kinda invested into the idea to be an aluminium-farmer on Deimos for 1st base. 🙂 [10-Oct-24 10:48 AM] tanda#0000 And that's fair to feel that way. Profits are decent enough, and your product will always sell [10-Oct-24 10:49 AM] marat_sh#0000 90% of the time you will make money... the catch is how fast [10-Oct-24 10:50 AM] marat_sh#0000 AL and C are super safe bets... Everyone using them and they are traded daily {Reactions} 👍 [10-Oct-24 11:10 AM] mancules#0000 When is it a good idea to get a new permit? I planned out a TRU base that looks really good and there's a lot more demand than supply at Anatares Station, but is it a good idea to increase land size and just keep increasing it or is it better off to leave it as is and move onto the next base [10-Oct-24 11:11 AM] mancules#0000 Also, I know this channel is listed for the grant program, but does it double as a "help/questions" area or should I be posting else where [10-Oct-24 11:13 AM] cuendilar#0000 I for one are ruthlessly using it as a help/questions substitute. 🤣 [10-Oct-24 11:13 AM] tanda#0000 It's a good idea to get a new permit when you can afford to build and supply the new base. There's nothing wrong with dropping partials and building up over time, though [10-Oct-24 11:14 AM] tanda#0000 However one of the main questions you should be asking yourself this early is "can I ship it?" [10-Oct-24 11:14 AM] tanda#0000 I think that TRU base is not going to be an easy shipping base, since it's heavy in and bulky out [10-Oct-24 11:26 AM] mancules#0000 Thanks! I have been keeping an eye on shipping weights and volume, but maybe I'm interpreting them wrong, but if I'm not the current output for the 1 permit base I have planned is 270m^3 and 18tons, within my current ships cargo capacity. Does the cargo effect time to travel and fuel usage? I could see that then coming around to give me some issues down the road, and if it does is there a tool I can use to estimate it? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293972974726025286/image.png?ex=6814f23e&is=6813a0be&hm=bba8e8a8c034348896f7afcdbfb42f583676034a2991915bd7ac3dbccc18360c& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1293972974982004736/image.png?ex=6814f23e&is=6813a0be&hm=e977f35b6d31ee9c36d2a043b61130387dee248fdd8b12fabe6b51ccc5e03250& [10-Oct-24 11:26 AM] mancules#0000 I don't think the PrUn planner incorporates expenses like fuel [10-Oct-24 11:27 AM] laaxus#0000 Blu -> test [10-Oct-24 11:27 AM] mancules#0000 I also missed the delta m^3 in the snips, for the TRU its 270 [10-Oct-24 11:41 AM] tanda#0000 That's less than I thought. Hmm, I guess I just perceived TRU being bigger than it is. Iirc you will not notice a slowdown on starter ships due to weight [10-Oct-24 11:41 AM] mancules#0000 Awesome, thanks! [10-Oct-24 11:44 AM] jcheung#0000 starter ships are g-limited [10-Oct-24 11:45 AM] mancules#0000 Another question, I've seen people advertise loans, is that generally a bad idea in game? It seems tempting but ideally not getting taken advantage as a newer player is probably a good idea [10-Oct-24 11:45 AM] jcheung#0000 they're not bad if you're responsible [10-Oct-24 11:45 AM] tanda#0000 This is why I almost never take loans [10-Oct-24 11:45 AM] jcheung#0000 lowstrife gives nice loans if you want them [10-Oct-24 11:46 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bmuUU.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-sweat-heat-hot-wipe-sweat-gif-17716050 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/lOH3iDBSaaU3zHUx9RJoAHhpkLUyeeMJNg8vD75JNOo/https/media.tenor.com/JC2gzaAISiEAAAAe/sweaty-sweat.png [10-Oct-24 11:46 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 It's a great community so you don't really need to worry about lenders at all. Loans are great if you're feeling comfortable in your setup and are ready to speed up expansion a bit [10-Oct-24 11:47 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Source: built the first 90% of my 14 base empire on just loans, lol [10-Oct-24 11:47 AM] jcheung#0000 anyways, generally speaking for loans themselves as the lendee, you assume very little risk-if you're merely late and not doing a take-the-money-and-run deal, most lenders will happily extend the loan [10-Oct-24 11:48 AM] jcheung#0000 built 99.98% of my 13 bases on loans or grants {Reactions} 📈 [10-Oct-24 11:48 AM] jcheung#0000 do it too often and obviously that person might not loan to you anymore, but most are forgiving [10-Oct-24 11:48 AM] mancules#0000 Word, so typically its a pay back by date and not a weekly (or whenever) fee. I gotta assume there's interest as well [10-Oct-24 11:49 AM] jcheung#0000 there's a few different loan types [10-Oct-24 11:49 AM] jcheung#0000 one is interest only. get the money, pay interest each period (usually each week) and at the end you pay back all the money and a little more interest [10-Oct-24 11:50 AM] jcheung#0000 this one is great for starting out, but you have to be careful near the end [10-Oct-24 11:51 AM] jcheung#0000 another is stable, you take the original fund, divide by number of periods (based on repayment %), you pay that each period plus interest which decreases each period [10-Oct-24 11:52 AM] jcheung#0000 the last, least used one is annuity. it has some benefit in that it flattens out your payment so you always pay the same amount, but it typically is not used due to higher complexity [10-Oct-24 11:53 AM] jcheung#0000 with it though, given the right range you can lower your payments at the start compared to stable, but you may also end up paying more interest.... or less. depends on the parameters a lot [10-Oct-24 11:55 AM] mancules#0000 Gotcha, thank you for the write up, definitely helps open up how I can expand then [10-Oct-24 11:57 AM] mancules#0000 The TRU base I planned out profits 53k with a ROI of 15 days, but it would cost me roughly 600k, excluding upstart material costs, to max out the area, might consider shrinking it and starting smaller so I wouldn't be looking a near million credit loan [10-Oct-24 11:57 AM] jcheung#0000 have you already used the AGP grant or are you trying to apply for it? [10-Oct-24 11:58 AM] jcheung#0000 because as a grant, there is no repayment {Reactions} 👆 [10-Oct-24 11:59 AM] mancules#0000 I haven't applied, but that does sound better than a loan right now lol, how would I go about doing that? Is there a form I'd need to submit? [10-Oct-24 12:02 PM] jcheung#0000 basically do what you started doing [10-Oct-24 12:02 PM] jcheung#0000 lay out how you plan on spending the money [10-Oct-24 12:02 PM] jcheung#0000 demonstrate basic proficiency with prunplanner [10-Oct-24 12:03 PM] jcheung#0000 some of us may point out potential flaws, which you can consider [10-Oct-24 12:03 PM] jcheung#0000 based on what you say, someone reading through may at any point go "sounds good, have money" [10-Oct-24 12:04 PM] jcheung#0000 which, since you are pro currently, you should have no problem accepting [10-Oct-24 12:08 PM] mancules#0000 Understood, sounds easy enough! Since that's the case here's my current build for the TRU base https://prunplanner.org/shared/8089700a-e4ec-43f1-9270-611088b3dbd6 I'm on Deimos and I'm still digging around with ways to further refine the AL to see if there's any way I can increase profits. My plan for this base is to stick to using the AL though since I can mine it and smelt it myself. I haven't run a planner that is only WEL making the TRU yet though, because I'm limited on transport and don't want to worry about the need for constant micromanagement if I can avoid it, welcome to any suggestions {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/8089700a-e4ec-43f1-9270-611088b3dbd6 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [10-Oct-24 12:09 PM] jcheung#0000 building it on deimos itself? [10-Oct-24 12:09 PM] mancules#0000 Yes, that's where I started and haven't thought about branching off yet [10-Oct-24 12:09 PM] jcheung#0000 okay. so two things. 1) i recommend you use the last 15 space on a STO [10-Oct-24 12:10 PM] jcheung#0000 2) WEL doesn't match the COGC of deimos, which gives a significant boost to metallurgy (SME, for example) now, i have stuff on deimos that doesn't match either but i just want to make you aware of that [10-Oct-24 12:11 PM] jcheung#0000 you can always move the WEL in like 90 days when the repair cycle comes up without much loss [10-Oct-24 12:13 PM] mancules#0000 Oh that's good to know, wouldn't be a bad idea to move it to another base down the road and move this one back to a strictly metallurgy focus [10-Oct-24 12:13 PM] jcheung#0000 (repairs are usually just before 60 or 90 days) [10-Oct-24 12:14 PM] mancules#0000 I did have one plan that was all SME making a few things like FE, AL, STL, the profit came out to roughly the same but I liked that this plan felt I was moving in on a market that needed more supply [10-Oct-24 12:14 PM] jcheung#0000 another thing, TRU doesn't trade very fast on the CX from what i can tell [10-Oct-24 12:14 PM] jcheung#0000 wait, i'm way wrong [10-Oct-24 12:14 PM] jcheung#0000 sorry [10-Oct-24 12:15 PM] jcheung#0000 3.5k traded last week isn't bad, i was going off bad memory [10-Oct-24 12:15 PM] jcheung#0000 that said, you would theoretically make 1.2k per week [10-Oct-24 12:15 PM] jcheung#0000 so you WILL saturate the market quickly [10-Oct-24 12:16 PM] jcheung#0000 also for FE, that stuff is really heavy [10-Oct-24 12:17 PM] mancules#0000 That's a good point, 1/3 of the total trades added in would probably hurt the bottom line or at the very least slow down sales [10-Oct-24 12:17 PM] jcheung#0000 if you have the price low enough i'm sure you can sell out for sure [10-Oct-24 12:18 PM] jcheung#0000 don't forget to add in shipping costs though [10-Oct-24 12:18 PM] mancules#0000 This was another reason I was looking for some alternatives, looked like maintaining my supplies and selling stuff would become burdensome [10-Oct-24 12:18 PM] jcheung#0000 tbh selling the raw AL isn't a bad option either [10-Oct-24 12:19 PM] mancules#0000 How is this viewed in this community, I wouldn't want to tank the market by dramatically increasing the supply [10-Oct-24 12:19 PM] igfloz#0000 Oh, I doubt you'd tank it [10-Oct-24 12:19 PM] jcheung#0000 someone buys it all and then relists it at a higher price 😛 [10-Oct-24 12:19 PM] getonthetrain#0000 https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ze-_jp4OMN46x1b-8JLPFgtvPmO4nYnPKKrN4soHAFE/https/media.tenor.com/QXVs4QWLlzkAAAAe/spider-man.png [10-Oct-24 12:19 PM] jcheung#0000 then they do this a few more times until they realize you're there to stay, and then get annoyed [10-Oct-24 12:20 PM] jcheung#0000 that said WELs have other things they can make so more likely is other people will just shift to other stuff [10-Oct-24 12:21 PM] mancules#0000 Gotcha alright [10-Oct-24 12:21 PM] mancules#0000 I took a look at an all ALO base, better ROI with similar daily profits but moving it would add up, two trips a day at least for my current ships [10-Oct-24 12:22 PM] jcheung#0000 if you're willing to export though, TRU sells for just under double on the other side of the galaxy [10-Oct-24 12:22 PM] jcheung#0000 that being said, i think it's about to lower in price over there [10-Oct-24 12:23 PM] jcheung#0000 painful thing about TRU is that they're a volume heavy item [10-Oct-24 12:23 PM] mancules#0000 What are the logistics of that, would I be able to realistically do that now with the two starter ships? [10-Oct-24 12:23 PM] jcheung#0000 eh. if deimos is your only base? [10-Oct-24 12:24 PM] jcheung#0000 with that plan [10-Oct-24 12:24 PM] jcheung#0000 yes [10-Oct-24 12:24 PM] jcheung#0000 BUT [10-Oct-24 12:24 PM] jcheung#0000 you're not shipping everything up to MOR consistently [10-Oct-24 12:24 PM] jcheung#0000 also round trip will be like 4 days or more [10-Oct-24 12:26 PM] mancules#0000 Oh ya then I'd for sure need a few more ships to keep up with production otherwise I'd be sitting on way too many [10-Oct-24 12:27 PM] mancules#0000 I look forward to breaking into other markets, but I think I'll stick to Antares for the time being [10-Oct-24 12:30 PM] jcheung#0000 if you end up making TRU though, let me know. i send a ship up to MOR once or twice a month... though it won't be able to hold a *ton* [10-Oct-24 12:31 PM] mancules#0000 Will do! That's what I'm leaning towards but it'll be a bit before it's up and running [10-Oct-24 12:32 PM] tanda#0000 Regarding FE, SFK is really lightly populated at the moment. Need about 2-3 more FS worth of supply {Reactions} 👆 [10-Oct-24 04:00 PM] mancules#0000 Been doing some more research into the TRU base idea and took a look at the historical prices, could anyone be able to help me understand why the price has dropped so much over two months even though the listed supply is only half the listed demand? Maybe I'm interpreting the supply/demand incorrectly, but the looks of the prices doesn't make me feel like the TRU base would be good if I can expect the price to further fall {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1294041846867300415/image.png?ex=681489a2&is=68133822&hm=f1351c3f0ca0e473bbb003f8dbb0b849b7e3bbcfaa29434881172e556e2a71eb& [10-Oct-24 04:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Price spiked so everyone switched back to making it from MHL or similar products made in WEL [10-Oct-24 04:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 From my understanding that is [10-Oct-24 04:02 PM] mancules#0000 Makes sense, what would cause a price spike in PrUn, speculation on upcoming patches? [10-Oct-24 04:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 People stopped making TRU to make MHL [10-Oct-24 04:03 PM] igfloz#0000 or need. A spike in HQ upgrades (for a few people) - look at the grey volumes from left to right, more have bought more recently....... I guess that will fall back and stabilise [10-Oct-24 04:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 keep in mind that the supply / demand numbers you're looking at are just the # of bids and asks [10-Oct-24 04:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 it might be more informative to look at the daily volume to get an idea of how much you could realistically sell [10-Oct-24 04:05 PM] igfloz#0000 many people picka product and "give" it a value. They will never buy if it is on the CX for +10 of their purchase price [10-Oct-24 04:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 (idk if someone mentioned that before, just wanted to bring it up 🙂 ) [10-Oct-24 04:05 PM] mancules#0000 So when looking into markets that I might want to set my first base up for, daily traded would be a better number to look at? [10-Oct-24 04:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 I would say so - early on, it hurts a lot more if you produce a lot of something and can't sell it right away [10-Oct-24 04:07 PM] igfloz#0000 well, you are gona start to look at "what do I have to supply / week" - and what can I "bring back /week" I think - daily is good, but can be a bit to granular starting off maybe ? - please guys call me out if I am wrong on this ? [10-Oct-24 04:08 PM] mancules#0000 Ya, that makes sense I'm thinking based on the daily traded focusing solely on TRU would be a bad call, the planner I made would be producing nearly 1k per week which on a good week is about 1/3 from the looks of it [10-Oct-24 04:09 PM] mancules#0000 Maybe branching out into other aluminum based products would help so I'm not trying too throw too much into one market [10-Oct-24 04:10 PM] mancules#0000 I'll plan around with that on the planner, thanks for the info guys [10-Oct-24 04:10 PM] sidepipe#0000 np, that's what we're here for 🙂 [10-Oct-24 04:19 PM] tanda#0000 Imo WEL bases are super finicky. I think it's a great addition to some PP2s on Nike, though [10-Oct-24 05:07 PM] mancules#0000 Do you guys typically produce multiple things on your base, or stick to one thing? I was looking at just ALO production and maxing out the base area it would be one of the more profitable ways I could go with a solid ROI, but if I did that I would be producing about 2800 ALO weekly, which is a sizeable amount compared to the weekly traded volume, I could always sell some of it at a different CX but then again right now I only have two ships so that doesn't sound too realistic atm, even going with SME and making AL I run into a similar issue [10-Oct-24 05:08 PM] mancules#0000 I was looking into different aluminum options in the WEL and I could make a few different products but a lot of them have such a low trade volume it doesn't feel like a good investment atm [10-Oct-24 05:12 PM] igfloz#0000 My ALO production. The BEST thing that I did was to find someone who would reliably buy it off me (outside the CX) - My extra ALO I have started smelting and I WILL be looking for a reliable buyer of AL at some point. The CX for me was too much up and down and worrying about a profit loss. I started looking at it as a volume move opportunity, which still made me some income {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1294059955267178558/image.png?ex=68149a7f&is=681348ff&hm=38b9c86203ce5569db400445c4c69097bebed73188cf0b82981e986828fc88b8& [10-Oct-24 05:13 PM] igfloz#0000 don't get me wrong, any excess still goes on the CX, but I kinda forget about it not depend on it [10-Oct-24 05:15 PM] mancules#0000 Word, so sounds like a solid strategy but did you have the buyer going into it or afterwards? Dealing with the CX short term in this case doesn't sound too bad but I wouldn't know how to go about finding a regular buyer [10-Oct-24 05:15 PM] mancules#0000 Kind of related, but do players fund others to get set ups like this or would that be more of headache when you can just make your own base doing it? [10-Oct-24 05:17 PM] igfloz#0000 you are already in the right discord to enable you to to find (or be pointed to) a buyer. You will be surprised at the amount of times player X offers a prun plan build and player Y shouts up saying, I'll take it all, lol - but it's not a guarantee 🙂 [10-Oct-24 05:17 PM] jvaler#0000 some established players do. it has to do with the return on investment of high level HQ upgrades required for more bases. they get exponentially(?) more expensive, so it becomes better to help out a new player and just take a cut off the top. or sometimes no cut at all, just purely to give themselves a stable supply line. [10-Oct-24 05:19 PM] jvaler#0000 @riseoffilth do you have any need for ALO? or could they run any other bases you have a need for? they seem interested [10-Oct-24 05:19 PM] riseoffilth#0000 yes [10-Oct-24 05:19 PM] igfloz#0000 boom ! and there he is - what an entrance !! lol [10-Oct-24 05:20 PM] riseoffilth#0000 ill buy any ALO for a good price [10-Oct-24 05:20 PM] riseoffilth#0000 also buy AL if selling [10-Oct-24 05:20 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/kirby-suck-kirby-vacuum-cute-nintendo-gif-16544038 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/kirby-suck-kirby-vacuum-cute-nintendo-gif-16544038 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Dk8TmzxfCRl_gBR-AX0MuAhLGIIrXqcPPtdt7t3Xq34/https/media.tenor.com/oziJ-NZiXmAAAAAe/kirby-suck.png [10-Oct-24 05:21 PM] igfloz#0000 @mancules now you have to learn how much of a CX loss you are gonna get for immediate sales, VS CX put it up for a month sales [10-Oct-24 05:22 PM] mancules#0000 Makes that easy lol, I'm sure you're not looking for 15 AL a day but I'll keep you in mind while I get production moving [10-Oct-24 05:22 PM] igfloz#0000 ...which might not be for this channel 🙂 [10-Oct-24 05:23 PM] mancules#0000 I figured there must be a reason there's so many bids(asks?) for a 100 over for AL [10-Oct-24 05:23 PM] mancules#0000 Is that essentially sellers waiting for someone like Rise to come in and scoop everything up regardless of price? [10-Oct-24 05:24 PM] igfloz#0000 maybe, maybe not - I'm sure Rise's stockpiles are already huge, but who knows how markets react eh ? [10-Oct-24 05:24 PM] riseoffilth#0000 price def matters [10-Oct-24 05:27 PM] jvaler#0000 fyi {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1294063675027488829/image.png?ex=68149df6&is=68134c76&hm=7f714c6ada62e118f15aceaab4530cbd90255c8aa9fd3ed33da844194d28f374& [10-Oct-24 05:27 PM] mancules#0000 So asks are people selling, bids are trying to buy? [10-Oct-24 05:27 PM] jvaler#0000 yup [10-Oct-24 05:27 PM] mancules#0000 Too easy, thank you [10-Oct-24 05:28 PM] jvaler#0000 =) [10-Oct-24 05:32 PM] igfloz#0000 so , back to my player X / Player Y example, If you were to have 1000 REP (following Jvalers image for ease of use) let's say you (as player X) wanted to sell for 600 - you could have that ASK order up for weeks with a few nibbles (?) - BUT if you had an agreement with another player (player Y) for a repeatable sale for , eh, I dunno maybe 500 - 550 maybe then you have your volume moving, but you are not maximising a sale profit per-se [10-Oct-24 05:33 PM] mancules#0000 Ya that makes a lot of sense, and then I'm not selling everything at the bottom price point just to offload it and pay the bills {Reactions} 👆 [10-Oct-24 05:40 PM] mancules#0000 The help and info is always appreciated fellas, I think for the starter base I'm just going to focus AL production, it's a safe bet I can easily find a buyer it seems and even then it still moves well enough on the CX, I'll look into new production lines down the road once I can start considering expanding bases or making new ones. While I'm working on filling in this plan, I'm thinking building all the extractors first would be the best course of action since they seem to have a higher ROI, that make sense? https://prunplanner.org/shared/639dfce5-766e-4205-b712-884c1aa013b9 my prun plan in all its glory {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/639dfce5-766e-4205-b712-884c1aa013b9 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Reactions} 💯 [10-Oct-24 05:43 PM] marat_sh#0000 7.5k is wild lol 😅 [10-Oct-24 05:44 PM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-you-shall-not-pass-not-pass-gandal-the-grey-gandalf-gif-7706023 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-you-shall-not-pass-not-pass-gandal-the-grey-gandalf-gif-7706023 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/COg6wK-1e05RxCCR7v-ObquQpiSF6fMyMx1oHmDQI4U/https/media.tenor.com/bIJa2uRURiQAAAAe/lord-of-the-rings-you-shall-not-pass.png [10-Oct-24 05:45 PM] jvaler#0000 new (temporary) MM: 600/u [10-Oct-24 05:46 PM] igfloz#0000 I dunno,..... the COGC is metallurgy for Deimos, you will probably get a better return if you just max SME .... er and maybe +1 STO (AL is heavy) [10-Oct-24 05:48 PM] igfloz#0000 for example, I EXT ALO on Nascent and SME AL on Vulcan (I didn't manage to get a Deimos slot 🙂 ) [10-Oct-24 05:48 PM] mancules#0000 I've got the ALO so I'm producing just enough to keep up with AL production, you think it would be better to just focus the one then? [10-Oct-24 05:49 PM] mancules#0000 Checking it on the prun planner it looks like I can make more money producing my own ALO, but ik the prun planner isnt always right [10-Oct-24 05:49 PM] igfloz#0000 I would always use the production (and experts) that favour the COGC as a newer player - there are examples where this isn't necessarily true, but thats future you 🙂 [10-Oct-24 05:51 PM] jvaler#0000 @mancules looks like you've got things figured out, i'll send you your grant in a few mins [10-Oct-24 05:51 PM] igfloz#0000 make your own ALO if you wish, but you are missing the COGC for Deimos (which is Metallurgy) - EXT COGC is Resource extraction [10-Oct-24 05:53 PM] igfloz#0000 https://tenor.com/view/take-my-money-throwing-money-throw-money-shelley-long-bette-midler-gif-26630501 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/take-my-money-throwing-money-throw-money-shelley-long-bette-midler-gif-26630501 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Cnw3uUNqi-V4am3Ro-v1E6Sq42x_yODlpp4zYqAb7vY/https/media.tenor.com/XRAEg27zf1gAAAAe/take-my-money-throwing-money.png [10-Oct-24 05:53 PM] igfloz#0000 ^^ @jvaler right now 😄 [10-Oct-24 05:53 PM] jvaler#0000 always lmao [10-Oct-24 05:57 PM] igfloz#0000 So... my Vulcan SME base (Just for AL in this example) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1294071317984968714/image.png?ex=6814a514&is=68135394&hm=bfc307203678787b1d1bba06a2e8a783cb00ed2984c72e3d79113bf88d22c291& [10-Oct-24 05:57 PM] igfloz#0000 @mancules [10-Oct-24 05:58 PM] mancules#0000 Oh shit, thank you! I'll put it to good use, gonna buy so many MUS to flip [10-Oct-24 06:02 PM] jcheung#0000 I'm surprised rise didn't sell it harder. He usually looks to place full complete bases and take the entire capacity for a reasonable profit [10-Oct-24 06:03 PM] mancules#0000 So running it for Deimos, not quite the same level, I'm not sure where Vulcan is but could it be different markets or is just prunplanner {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1294072726150971402/image.png?ex=6814a664&is=681354e4&hm=8a41f9898c584da183ad3bdbeab6df9c247e0351814083887a24e30466bd437f& [10-Oct-24 06:04 PM] igfloz#0000 experts lvl ? did you set to 5 ? [10-Oct-24 06:06 PM] mancules#0000 I did, all on metallurgy [10-Oct-24 06:06 PM] mancules#0000 Ya I'm not sure where the difference is, as far as i can tell we have the same set up here [10-Oct-24 06:07 PM] igfloz#0000 It is different, I have only 5 available space, you have 20 - so there is a planet difference. I don't know why tho, sorry [10-Oct-24 06:07 PM] getonthetrain#0000 You just have the CX settings different is all [10-Oct-24 06:07 PM] igfloz#0000 oh, you have 1 STO ? [10-Oct-24 06:08 PM] mancules#0000 Ahhh gotcha, ya just the one [10-Oct-24 06:08 PM] getonthetrain#0000 Manucles has sell at bid [10-Oct-24 06:08 PM] mancules#0000 Oh should I set them to the asks? [10-Oct-24 06:08 PM] igfloz#0000 thats the ticket !! TY [10-Oct-24 06:08 PM] getonthetrain#0000 no, sell at bid is correct [10-Oct-24 06:08 PM] getonthetrain#0000 its the most pessimistic [10-Oct-24 06:08 PM] marat_sh#0000 temporary... 💀 [10-Oct-24 06:09 PM] getonthetrain#0000 worst case scenario means it can only get better [10-Oct-24 06:09 PM] getonthetrain#0000 plan for the worst, hope for the best [10-Oct-24 06:09 PM] marat_sh#0000 I remeber when I've started getting REPs down... they were 780/u [10-Oct-24 06:10 PM] igfloz#0000 ah, this is how I filled it Imma be wrong, I know, lol [10-Oct-24 06:11 PM] igfloz#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1294074963979927664/image.png?ex=6814a87a&is=681356fa&hm=1b2ba8425fd52e1dfb5ab709db19876049e0c74f80ada8db660c003f0ef84bfd& [10-Oct-24 06:12 PM] igfloz#0000 sorry, that should make it clear [10-Oct-24 07:33 PM] jvaler#0000 well my prod doesn't actually keep up with CX demand {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1294095437526994954/image.png?ex=6814bb8b&is=68136a0b&hm=1c89a058253f3172948fd765c60edaee32a61faf95a90f3eecb3a88ec62529bc& [10-Oct-24 07:34 PM] marat_sh#0000 I am joking 😅 BUT it's pretty sizable order [10-Oct-24 07:36 PM] tanda#0000 that's only about a year supply? [10-Oct-24 07:39 PM] mancules#0000 How do repairs kits work, when something breaks you get notified you need to fix it and then you just use a repair kit on it? [10-Oct-24 07:40 PM] tanda#0000 REP is a consumable for SET upkeep, it's not used in base repairs [10-Oct-24 07:41 PM] mancules#0000 Gotcha, is there a command in the buffers, or a way I can search an item like SET? [10-Oct-24 07:41 PM] tanda#0000 base repairs are a separate process that requires some of the same materials that you built the production buildings from [10-Oct-24 07:41 PM] mancules#0000 Ohhh alright that makes sense, easy enough [10-Oct-24 07:41 PM] tanda#0000 oh, sorry. Open the Workforce button from your BS buffer [10-Oct-24 07:42 PM] tanda#0000 it will list all the various population types [10-Oct-24 07:42 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1294097772189843528/image.png?ex=6814bdb8&is=68136c38&hm=bafb902d82962008f598a6e213e7ed445168f9b8ec7429da264e0fb0c4ed14a6& [10-Oct-24 07:42 PM] tanda#0000 each workforce type has resources they consume, some share some of them but all have unique needs [10-Oct-24 07:43 PM] mancules#0000 OHH SET being settler, gotcha alright I'm up to speed thank you [10-Oct-24 07:43 PM] tanda#0000 you won't need to worry about base repairs for a couple months. Common wisdom suggests repairing every 60 days [10-Oct-24 07:44 PM] tanda#0000 uncommon wisdom requires maths or a specific spreadsheet [10-Oct-24 07:45 PM] mancules#0000 Ok, got some time before I gotta worry about it then, but I did find the CMD for it in the buildings buffer as well as for ships [10-Oct-24 07:51 PM] tanda#0000 you are a pro user, so I would make sure to use BRA [10-Oct-24 07:51 PM] tanda#0000 if you've taken to PMMG I recommend using XIT Repairs to monitor upcoming repairs [11-Oct-24 12:44 AM] cuendilar#0000 Any tips on what to do the next couple of weeks others than going CX back and forth selling AL and establishing a SME infra? Can you play the market as in EVE or should a newby stay away from that? [11-Oct-24 12:46 AM] jcheung#0000 you can, but you likely don't have enough money to meaningfully do so [11-Oct-24 12:47 AM] jvaler#0000 playing the market is a very long game. it can take weeks or even months for your stakes to pay off, so it's not great for when you're a new player and your liquidity is highly important to your growth [11-Oct-24 12:48 AM] jcheung#0000 you can play it for smaller gains if you're very active, but a sudden disruption to the status quo could leave you stuck for months until it recovers [11-Oct-24 12:49 AM] jcheung#0000 in the meantime, you can make plans for the future [11-Oct-24 12:50 AM] jcheung#0000 and as a pro player you have the option to try to find some loans if you wish to expand faster [11-Oct-24 01:00 AM] evov#0000 r.e. Loans - There's also ways to structure loans as "Production Backed Loans" I give you Money now. You give me the stuff you make at your base later. Instead of paying back cash with interest, you pay back in product... with a bit more product instead of interest. If you know how much your base produces each day/week etc - you can take the loan, buy the inputs needed, and comfortably spend the rest of the loan on upgrading/expanding... safe in the knowledge that the production of your base will cover the loan repayment by the due date. [11-Oct-24 06:30 AM] mancules#0000 Oh I like this method, that was one worry I had when we were talking about it yesterday, if I took a loan out now worrying about being able to pay it off with just a starter base seemed pretty daunting, but I feel like this method would be a little more of a safer endeavor early on assuming you can find a lender interested [11-Oct-24 06:32 AM] cuendilar#0000 i'm not interested in loans. i'll slow-boat this game. i know loans can cut your playtime down but... nah. 😄 {Reactions} ✅ 💯 [11-Oct-24 06:33 AM] evov#0000 It's a format I've offered many times in the past. But there hasn't been much interest in people taking it up. Not sure why.. maybe it's just harder to natively understand? The fundamentals are ... just better imo. You get the money, you pay back with production, so there's a lot of risk and concern that gets mitigated. [11-Oct-24 06:35 AM] razenpok#0000 Are there any loans like this that you offer now? [11-Oct-24 06:35 AM] evov#0000 Example of a 1million loan using production backed loan format I drew up {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1294262046308700250/image.png?ex=6814adf6&is=68135c76&hm=76465ade492465810dc99f49bf39a7de270a46435d994bdd5d8297f1e72f3f79& [11-Oct-24 06:38 AM] evov#0000 I think the main reason people "feel" differently about a production backed loan like that, compared to just straight up cash + interest is due to the innate cognitive bias against loss. Kinda like a monkey hates losing 1 banana, much more than they like getting 1 banana. The visual of seeing a declining price per unit "feels" bad. [11-Oct-24 08:59 AM] cuendilar#0000 0.4% per day is 146% annual, right? or do you mean 0.04%? [11-Oct-24 09:13 AM] jcheung#0000 Don't look at APR [11-Oct-24 09:13 AM] jcheung#0000 Not how interest works in prun [11-Oct-24 09:13 AM] jcheung#0000 Usual interest period is one week [11-Oct-24 09:15 AM] jcheung#0000 I didn't bite because when i finally learned about it, i was winding down my base expansion [11-Oct-24 09:16 AM] sidepipe#0000 I mean, I'm also confused by this example since the 1 day loan (if I'm interpreting it right) is paid back by 1,000,285 AIC worth of AL [11-Oct-24 09:17 AM] jcheung#0000 I believe the first day may have some rounding [11-Oct-24 09:18 AM] jcheung#0000 Actually i think all days have a little rounding [11-Oct-24 09:18 AM] sidepipe#0000 and the 90 day one is 999,957.48 AIC? [11-Oct-24 09:18 AM] sidepipe#0000 I'd take that loan 😛 [11-Oct-24 09:18 AM] jcheung#0000 How do you get that? [11-Oct-24 09:19 AM] sidepipe#0000 525.74*1902 [11-Oct-24 09:19 AM] jcheung#0000 Not how this works [11-Oct-24 09:19 AM] jcheung#0000 525/u is what it looks like after interest takes the per unit price down [11-Oct-24 09:20 AM] jcheung#0000 It is a favorable deal though, but if you start at 715/u then 90 day is 1.36m total repayment {Reactions} 👆 [11-Oct-24 09:21 AM] sidepipe#0000 so the interest is volume * (final price of your loan duration - final price at the top)? [11-Oct-24 09:21 AM] sidepipe#0000 or interest portion of the loan, rather [11-Oct-24 09:22 AM] jcheung#0000 Stby 1 [11-Oct-24 09:22 AM] jcheung#0000 Let me get out of bed and get the cobwebs out of head [11-Oct-24 09:23 AM] mancules#0000 So, if I understand then when it comes to this kind of loan, would all of your production go back to paying off the loan then? So for the duration of the payback you woudn't essentially make any liquid profit on it even though the unit price is good? [11-Oct-24 09:23 AM] jcheung#0000 it depends on your model [11-Oct-24 09:23 AM] jcheung#0000 but no [11-Oct-24 09:23 AM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, it must be - (715-525.74) * 1902 = 359,972.52, which is approximately .36 of 1 M (.4% daily simple interest for 90 days) [11-Oct-24 09:24 AM] jcheung#0000 yes [11-Oct-24 09:26 AM] sidepipe#0000 If you look at the '1.5x buffer' column, he does the math on how many buildings it'd take up approximately. so the 90 day loan would take up about 3 smelters [11-Oct-24 09:27 AM] sidepipe#0000 anyway, I personally don't do the commodity backed loans because they're more complicated to administer, and the lender takes on price risk. but that doesn't mean they're not worthwhile as a borrower if one wanted to go that route [11-Oct-24 09:27 AM] jcheung#0000 so this is day 0 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1294305469648601119/image.png?ex=6814d666&is=681384e6&hm=f2abc638e7e4703a3e229e0dd173d3e983839c98c493caf6103320abbd7f4e3f& [11-Oct-24 09:36 AM] jcheung#0000 this is one week {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1294307576489447467/image.png?ex=6814d85d&is=681386dd&hm=52e5c9dc98f8bb561c07023081d6cf16e109b9b7518187d1aeac2839e86f1f15& [11-Oct-24 09:36 AM] jcheung#0000 although i'm not sure where exactly they're rounding [11-Oct-24 09:37 AM] jcheung#0000 in any case it's a better deal than lowstrife's [11-Oct-24 09:38 AM] jcheung#0000 at least at .004/d [11-Oct-24 09:40 AM] jcheung#0000 if you want to flip the script here, instead of final ppu you can list ppu under mat/loan size then convert final ppu to interest equivalent and list credits [11-Oct-24 09:41 AM] jcheung#0000 also your day 1 is wrong, it should be day 0 😉 [11-Oct-24 09:55 AM] mancules#0000 Think I got this figured out, thanks you guys [11-Oct-24 09:55 AM] mancules#0000 Doesn't seem like a terrible idea after getting one base set up to get a second one quickly up and running [11-Oct-24 09:56 AM] mancules#0000 Might consider this route once I get my first base built and finished [11-Oct-24 10:59 AM] jcheung#0000 it's honestly a good deal [11-Oct-24 02:02 PM] mancules#0000 @jvaler Is there anything I need to do to receive the grant? I'm not sure where that would pop up in game [11-Oct-24 02:03 PM] laaxus#0000 as a contract [11-Oct-24 02:05 PM] mancules#0000 Alright thank you, don't think I've gotten it yet then, I'll keep my eyes out [11-Oct-24 02:27 PM] jvaler#0000 oh shit i forgot didn't i [11-Oct-24 02:27 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm out rn i will when i'm home [11-Oct-24 02:31 PM] mancules#0000 That's no problem, just wasn't sure what to look for I'm in no rush [11-Oct-24 08:58 PM] jvaler#0000 sent! again, apologies [11-Oct-24 08:59 PM] jvaler#0000 damn 🥲 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1294479406831763456/image.png?ex=6814cfa4&is=68137e24&hm=71103454a969096e6dba09af5e685fe3ed0db618aeb81b132e4e067f97300138& {Reactions} 💵 [11-Oct-24 09:36 PM] tanda#0000 it's okay, you could let others take over! [11-Oct-24 09:41 PM] jvaler#0000 shit is this my calling to leave the game too 😭 [11-Oct-24 09:42 PM] tanda#0000 noooooo [11-Oct-24 09:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/why-would-you-do-that-frasier-crane-frasier-how-could-you-paramount-plus-gif-1414449182718247609 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/why-would-you-do-that-frasier-crane-frasier-how-could-you-paramount-plus-gif-1414449182718247609 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Ap4nisRZMFZGpPTpvFPulwqs4xCb3B8EIuodQLa7FFA/https/media.tenor.com/E6EiCaDDQrkAAAAe/why-would-you-do-that-frasier-crane.png [11-Oct-24 09:51 PM] jvaler#0000 oh i think i misunderstood tanda lmfao [11-Oct-24 10:25 PM] kynadre#0000 https://tenor.com/view/not-allowed-roze-rozenessa-rozenessa-angry-fairy-gif-22215585 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/not-allowed-roze-rozenessa-rozenessa-angry-fairy-gif-22215585 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/cw69efkFrVzKhvx7InRV_gRd-tUcyvZlwYUhcykNso0/https/media.tenor.com/tdqHQT3LBxMAAAAe/not-allowed-roze.png [11-Oct-24 10:27 PM] tanda#0000 I just meant if you wanted to leave Australis up there at #1 (tied, technically) you could just let other contributors contribute [12-Oct-24 12:32 AM] evov#0000 Example of the contract for a 90 day loan using production as payment - {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1294533243802222633/image.png?ex=681501c8&is=6813b048&hm=13444efcf2902c4ba28da8372a00660ed4d6945d5bb0cb8dff7816d8bb4e7dcf& [12-Oct-24 12:38 AM] jcheung#0000 yes, i meant in your sheet example [12-Oct-24 12:39 AM] jcheung#0000 show interest value instead of amoritized cost of item [12-Oct-24 12:39 AM] jcheung#0000 ...am i using that word right? [12-Oct-24 12:46 AM] evov#0000 No idea, but I understand what you mean haha. There's lots of options to make it look differently. Personally - It's not something that really moves the needle for me, I don't care if people take up the offers or not 🙂 I put them out there as an offer to help people with deals that are mutually beneficial. From my perspective - the real value in offering those deals (especially with zero marketing appeal on them )is that the people who accept them tend to be people who I'd be interested in doing more ongoing business with. [12-Oct-24 01:05 AM] superbadsounds#0000 This reminds me of speculation markets in a way. [12-Oct-24 01:06 AM] superbadsounds#0000 Have you ever had it burn you with a market falling out from under the leveraged materials? [12-Oct-24 01:16 AM] evov#0000 I don't think anyone's actually taken me up on that specific offer. Had a couple of similar arrangements, but no-one have ended poorly. The values involved are such that even if it did go horribly wrong . . . I still don't think I'd feel "burned" by it. [12-Oct-24 01:16 AM] jcheung#0000 if i had been offered that at the start instead of when i was semi established, i would have been all over it [12-Oct-24 01:17 AM] jcheung#0000 in fact i think i had done a similar deal with insula with slightly worse rates right before the first time i saw yours [12-Oct-24 01:22 AM] evov#0000 Yea, I think I started drawing up those production backed loans about 7 months ago. The tooling is still there to set it up for pretty much any product. It's just one of those types of things I throw out there from time to time. If people are interested in it... cool. If not... cool. [12-Oct-24 01:23 AM] jcheung#0000 maybe toss it in #bulletin-board ? [12-Oct-24 01:24 AM] evov#0000 The important thing ( and for relevance in this channel ) - Just trying to get newer players thinking about, and being open to some different options that help speed up expansion. [12-Oct-24 01:25 AM] jcheung#0000 right, i said bulletin board because it should be slower moving [12-Oct-24 01:25 AM] jcheung#0000 a single new player could move this channel by over 200 lines in an hour [12-Oct-24 04:40 AM] cuendilar#0000 whats the percentage of people that take the loan and stop playing @evov ? [12-Oct-24 04:41 AM] cuendilar#0000 also i assume if you put that on Deimos, you'll find people who take it. [12-Oct-24 04:41 AM] evov#0000 I can't give a good answer... because I've had very few people take me up on the offer. So... in my experience, zero. [12-Oct-24 04:42 AM] evov#0000 Lowstrife has given out a lot of loans, and has reasonably good numbers on default rates etc. [12-Oct-24 04:43 AM] cuendilar#0000 90d is a long commitment. if someone would take that, he should be damn hell sure he fullfills his part of the deal. [12-Oct-24 04:45 AM] evov#0000 Yea, I don't think that's a loan duration that interests me either. I just included it to give a more... complete.. overview of how loan duration impacts the other numbers. {Reactions} 👍 [12-Oct-24 04:53 AM] evov#0000 I think the .... "loan type" that is the best fit for new players is one where the established player supplies the inputs, transport them to your base, and buy the outputs at price that reflects it. Pay for it now, and pick them up at a later point in time. Kinda like the production backed loan, but the lender also assumes the logistical load and pushes the risk element as close to zero for the new player as is possible. It's a bit more work on the cognitive and logistics side than I'm really interested in, but that feels like it has the best tradeoffs between established players and new players that leverage the unique benefits of both. It's something I'm considering as an aspect of a project I'm working on. (basically, removing the shipping requirements and removing the capital costs of stock... is like covering low permit players in fertilizer and watch how fast they grow) [12-Oct-24 04:57 AM] cuendilar#0000 From a new perspective player, i can tell you: thats not what i look for. I'd look for advice on how to do things. like this channel here... thats WAY more helpful than someone who basically does all the "work" - like supplies input, transport etc. - and that way kinda prevents me from doing all that. I think the best "loan" would be a mentorin/production-backed loan... similar as in the starting quests, established players could craft pre-defined questlines for new players that pick up on where the NPC-Quests end... THAT would be awesome, actually now that i think about it... i'll do that as soon as i have a healthy base established! 😄 {Reactions} 💯 [12-Oct-24 05:17 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ^ This. [12-Oct-24 05:21 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Players play games for fun... If something is challenging for them (like learning how to be successful in Prun, per their own designs), and maybe fun as well, then they will stick to the game for longer, get more satisfaction from it, and be more willing to contribute towards the designs of others, if everyone is seeking the same thing. You have a good amount of peeps that seek pure revenues, and who would be more incentivised to join several co-ops out there, that do pre-planned stuff per Evov's idea... But there's a whole spat of others, who want to figure out their own thing. Neither is bad, you just need to find the customer who wants to buy your product, else it's a product/customer mismatch. {Reactions} 💯 (2) [12-Oct-24 05:23 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's like buying a jalopy (old and wrinkled car), and then going through the time, effort, and expense of learning how to fix it up, tune it, maintain it, and then drive it, with a smile on your face forever..... Compared to buying some BMW from a dealership, and having a whole service package included, with no real additional effort from you. You'll have a smile on your face thereafter, as well. [14-Oct-24 05:55 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I am wondering as to my next steps. My water base, base 2 on ISA is almost full. The next base, base 3 was to make CAF to go into COF production on base 4. But i'm better off selling the water in Antares instead of making CAF. So, should i build base 3 and base 4 in tandem, to make better use of the water/caf, or should i set up a secondary water base, as it turns out that water is wildly profitable right now [14-Oct-24 06:49 AM] tanda#0000 you're right about the current market trends making selling the water more profitable than anything else. I might suggest your plan of action be the following [14-Oct-24 06:51 AM] tanda#0000 1) Sell the water until the market starts hitting correction. One it's back down to about 50/unit pull the trigger on any new bases 2) Use the money you make to get your ship upgrades early through Schaitr 3) Once it hits the correction point, drop base 4 and make straight drinking water to cash in on the 100/unit DW prices 4) Once that calms down, drop base 3 and start your own COF production [14-Oct-24 06:52 AM] tanda#0000 I know of at least 3 water bases that got dropped in ANT including yours so a correction is coming [14-Oct-24 06:54 AM] laaxus#0000 Sounds like a solid plan [14-Oct-24 06:54 AM] laaxus#0000 Just because your money isn't converted into buildings, doesn't mean it doesn't earn you money {Reactions} 💯 [14-Oct-24 06:59 AM] realharvey#0000 I dont think there is really a market for "CAF" currently aswell. That's probably why it does not appear profitable [14-Oct-24 07:18 AM] jvaler#0000 CAF market isn't too bad for small demand. it's how i make the little COF i produce [14-Oct-24 07:19 AM] jvaler#0000 i think there's a number of consistent sellers [14-Oct-24 07:46 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Cheers all [14-Oct-24 07:48 AM] cruelcoin#0000 @tandaWhat do you mean by Schaitr? [14-Oct-24 07:51 AM] cruelcoin#0000 And how do i go about upgrading a ship? [14-Oct-24 07:55 AM] jvaler#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1202257500213366804 [14-Oct-24 07:56 AM] jvaler#0000 oh https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP {Reactions} 👍 [15-Oct-24 10:42 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I just passed 100,000 daily profit from a single base. Glug Glug making good on its name {Reactions} 👍 🎉 [15-Oct-24 10:46 AM] laaxus#0000 Contrats ! [15-Oct-24 10:47 AM] laaxus#0000 What are you producing ? [15-Oct-24 10:47 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Water [15-Oct-24 10:49 AM] cruelcoin#0000 At the point now where i'm filling a full ship every day. Will soon have to draft in my second ship to take a load every now and then [17-Oct-24 06:35 PM] icooper#0000 hello, i am currently saving towards expanding to Ice Station Alpha to have a combination of excess water to sell, and also to fuel my Harmonia farm base. I have come up with this so far and was curious if there is any input as it seems fairly simple compared to some plans ive seen. For the selling water, it does appear there is a higher volume the past week or so than the recent average, which may indicate less demand, but it still appears to be fairly profitable even at the lower price it was a month ago. Anyone have input if that is decent long term cash, or if that market is saturated? https://prunplanner.org/shared/f97ab859-534e-43b3-9ce0-ac58b2f882ef {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/f97ab859-534e-43b3-9ce0-ac58b2f882ef PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Reactions} 💧 [17-Oct-24 06:35 PM] icooper#0000 it also appears this should be easily scalable in this format, so i should be able to start small and build to that, or further. [17-Oct-24 06:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 what do you grow on Harmonia at the moment? [17-Oct-24 06:48 PM] icooper#0000 Currently have 3 farms, 1 each making nuts, grains, and beans. I have 2 food processors making RAT and DW (i know this isnt efficient long term, i'm planning to make a 3rd fp base at some point once these two are closer to done), and 2 rigs getting water to fuel it. [17-Oct-24 06:49 PM] icooper#0000 my eventual plan is to off load rigs to ISA, change harmonia to only farms, and have a FP base that just does that [17-Oct-24 06:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 personally the materials required to get set up on ISA are quite step for a second base, I think it would be better to buy water (the price has come down) and then expand farms and expand to say Norwick to do FP [17-Oct-24 06:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 bc you need both INS and HSE [17-Oct-24 06:51 PM] icooper#0000 interesting, ill poke around with that on PRUNplanner [17-Oct-24 06:51 PM] icooper#0000 thanks for the feedback [17-Oct-24 06:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You would be able to stretch your dollars further [17-Oct-24 06:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just on INS you would be spending ~250k or 1/4 of your grant [17-Oct-24 06:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and then about another ~250k on HSE [17-Oct-24 07:09 PM] marat_sh#0000 Try to go for green planets first -> Then for Cold planets or High/Low pressure -> Last Cold and High/low pressure [17-Oct-24 07:09 PM] marat_sh#0000 Hot planets are a bit expansive [17-Oct-24 07:15 PM] icooper#0000 so, messing with that idea Hal, if I expand to norwick, i could have a slightly higher profit per day, for quite a bit less development cost. This is maxing the farm out on production, then having an FP that is built enough to keep all the FPs running full time, and leaves a lot of room for future expansion. Profit of 40,750/day, with a development cost of 668,500, almost 300k cheaper than the ISA base, and about 4k more per day profit. Farm base: https://prunplanner.org/shared/9f68c734-ae84-4fb8-b901-b8f29953a044 Norwick food processing: https://prunplanner.org/shared/c657df08-3e8b-4eea-b4cd-ede861f7f678 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/9f68c734-ae84-4fb8-b901-b8f29953a044 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/c657df08-3e8b-4eea-b4cd-ede861f7f678 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [17-Oct-24 07:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 Since you always want to expand, try to weight your options first. Small profits are still profits, you can refit bases later... just keep expanding. Also add 1 STO to your farm base (it will use the rest of free area left and give you 5000m3/5000t space). {Reactions} 👍 👆 [17-Oct-24 07:23 PM] marat_sh#0000 Usually you want to fill your areas first before expanding but with farms it's a bit different story. Since you not gonna generate that much money in comparison with new FP base with just a few buildings {Reactions} 👍 [17-Oct-24 07:25 PM] icooper#0000 thats good to know. I'm also not 100% sure at which point i get a new permit to be able to expand to additional area on the same base, or build a 3rd. The combo of those 2 could be good when I have the farm area maxxed out eventually, as it would allow more usage of space on the FP base. [17-Oct-24 07:27 PM] sidepipe#0000 It’s ultimately up to you, but I did run a 3-permit harmonia for a long time to feed a full FP base on Norwick [17-Oct-24 07:28 PM] sidepipe#0000 It’s not ideal since you get less base area per permit that way, but it can hold you over until you’re able to set up a hydroponics base elsewhere 🙂 [17-Oct-24 07:30 PM] marat_sh#0000 ^ I also use multi-permit base since you got bonus from experts that already there and it's easier on logistics. Try to keep some cash on you always so you can fix mistakes if any accrue before expanding. Always chose resupplying over expanding when counting your cash [20-Oct-24 08:25 AM] icooper#0000 I'm not sure the best process for this, but I think I would like to go ahead and apply for the grant to finish upgrading my farm base, and settle Norwick for a food processing base. I've done some more upgrades to my farm, so the actual development cost for both bases at this point is about 500k, with the intention of using the balance to upgrade my Harmonia farm base to 2 permit as soon as I have one available, to better utilize the food processing. Is this a sound starting strategy, or is there something that would be more profitable for a equitable amount of effort? [20-Oct-24 08:27 AM] laaxus#0000 FP are a very good investment [20-Oct-24 08:28 AM] laaxus#0000 You should share a prunplanner base of what you plan to spend the money on [20-Oct-24 08:53 AM] icooper#0000 They are above, but these are the two that would come out of that funding: Farm: https://prunplanner.org/shared/9f68c734-ae84-4fb8-b901-b8f29953a044 FP: https://prunplanner.org/shared/c657df08-3e8b-4eea-b4cd-ede861f7f678 I already have a decent chunk of the farm built, thankfully {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/9f68c734-ae84-4fb8-b901-b8f29953a044 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/c657df08-3e8b-4eea-b4cd-ede861f7f678 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [20-Oct-24 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 looks good! sending u a cont @icooper {Reactions} 👍 [20-Oct-24 03:19 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm gonna build 2 bases, on my own, without loans, in the next 48h [20-Oct-24 03:19 PM] laaxus#0000 it all started here, thanks ! @jvaler {Reactions} 😇 [20-Oct-24 03:21 PM] jcheung#0000 don't forget to set experts-after doing up all experts you can support 9 FP [20-Oct-24 03:27 PM] jcheung#0000 also after you get the FP you have planned built out, you may want to consider setting BEA to the faster recipe (the one that takes more water) so you can support more FP [20-Oct-24 03:28 PM] jcheung#0000 can add another FP you can support with it, up to 10 [20-Oct-24 03:28 PM] jcheung#0000 or, alternatively [20-Oct-24 03:29 PM] jcheung#0000 you can set to the fast BEA and turn the extra capacity into HER production which you can use for FIM [20-Oct-24 03:32 PM] jcheung#0000 this would leave you at a slight deficit in FP products, or you could do 10 FP and have a slight excess {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1297658605797118085/image.png?ex=68148300&is=68133180&hm=56bbce4645554f056fe980a45ec107153ebf471922b65404103a724c965ae8b7& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1297658606078005332/image.png?ex=68148301&is=68133181&hm=ea3bbe04dd276d029780e5418b471af91f9b2f77d36c86282f1bf2294d9565cf& {Reactions} 👍 [20-Oct-24 03:32 PM] icooper#0000 I’m out right now but I’ll grab the cont when I can [20-Oct-24 03:34 PM] jcheung#0000 either way though, assuming you only feed with harmonia, you'll end up with a fair bit of empty space on norwick unless you find something else to fill it out with [20-Oct-24 03:37 PM] icooper#0000 Yeah I’m gonna try to balance this, I’m planning an etherwind water extraction base so I may use some for at least the DW I use for my bases [20-Oct-24 03:38 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah, if you extract h2o that'll give your FPs more to crunch for sure [20-Oct-24 04:11 PM] jvaler#0000 etherwind is pretty far to be shipping water [20-Oct-24 04:11 PM] jvaler#0000 well, the FRMs don't take up much of your 2 starters so it should be fine [20-Oct-24 04:13 PM] icooper#0000 I gotcha, I had planned to buy water to start then see where that gets me, the plan when I get water extraction is to sell excess, then warehouse water for my bases at ANT and pick it up when doing station runs from that side of the production line, not really shipping straight from Etherwind to Harmonia [20-Oct-24 04:14 PM] icooper#0000 But yes I see how that could be an issue if the other two bases were larger [23-Oct-24 03:47 AM] markusium#0000 Hello, i have receiver a grant about 3 or So months ago, how ever after 2 weeks after that i had left prosperous universe, today im returning under a new corporation, would it be possible for me to receive this grant? [23-Oct-24 03:52 AM] realharvey#0000 If you had pro your account should not have been deleted so quickly [23-Oct-24 03:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Did you COLIQ or created a new account? [23-Oct-24 04:03 AM] markusium#0000 Had basic [23-Oct-24 04:03 AM] markusium#0000 I COLIQed [23-Oct-24 04:09 AM] laaxus#0000 Sure, play for one Month and I'll give you a grant [23-Oct-24 04:10 AM] markusium#0000 Okay [23-Oct-24 04:10 AM] laaxus#0000 Maybe jvalier is more generous [23-Oct-24 04:11 AM] markusium#0000 Wait why a month? [23-Oct-24 04:11 AM] laaxus#0000 Because last Time, you left After 2 weeks [23-Oct-24 04:15 AM] markusium#0000 Oh [23-Oct-24 04:15 AM] markusium#0000 I promose i wobt do that this time- i have a big plan [23-Oct-24 04:15 AM] markusium#0000 And ill be in debt to the person whos gonna give me [23-Oct-24 04:18 AM] laaxus#0000 Loans are still a possibility [23-Oct-24 04:18 AM] laaxus#0000 Shrewdsun and lowstrife offers loans [23-Oct-24 04:23 AM] markusium#0000 Ill Hope for a grant [23-Oct-24 07:54 AM] realharvey#0000 In my opinion you are not eligble for a grant anymore. - You've already received a grant in the past. - You've coliqued and therefore wasted the initial grant - You did not liquidate all your assets beforehand and tried to give us the money back before you left prun. A lot of PRUN is based on trust. We have entrusted you with a grant so you can be part of the Antares development initiative and it did not go well. Until now you have not build up enough trust again to grant you a new grant. This is strictly my opinion and others on this discord might have a different view. But I dont think this would be fair for other people that are seeking grants. {Reactions} 👆 (4) [23-Oct-24 07:58 AM] laaxus#0000 Honestly, I agree [23-Oct-24 08:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Not trying to accuse you of deliberately being harmful, but the fact, that you had the possibility to reimburse some of the grand or at least discuss with the community what to do, since your account wasn’t deleted, makes the matter worse. It shows little to no respect to the people literally giving away money (and in a sense real-life time spend earning it) to support new players. [23-Oct-24 09:51 AM] markusium#0000 Im sorry [23-Oct-24 10:21 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Ooo. i guess I'll pitch in... I'll keep it very short. I was going to whip that person this morning with some of my poetry.... but you peeps did a better job with some straight talk. Two points: - 1) Trust can be defined in many ways. I'd like to consider it as being part-in-parcel, involving a **common understanding** (expectations, if anything), a **common standard** (I'm usually slapping people with wiki links through the in-game chats), and a **common goal** (its in this server name). 2/3rds of that description is missing form ADI's intake process (**my perception**). Take it for what you will. - 2) AGP coordinators should have receipts. Bill them for the remaining escrow, if they want back in ASAP... Of course since that person COLIQ'd, it'll take longer, than if they stayed in the game (I wouldn't increase limits on them though, per point #1). People make mistakes. Give them some hard work, so that they can learn from those mistakes. [23-Oct-24 10:50 AM] markusium#0000 Oh well [23-Oct-24 11:06 AM] jcheung#0000 Should have discussed before you reset {Reactions} 💯 [23-Oct-24 11:09 AM] razenpok#0000 I think the point was delivered well enough already, please stop putting additional pressure {Reactions} true (3) 👍 [23-Oct-24 11:25 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Pressure is good. It's how social norms are made. But too much pressure, and then it's just not useful, rather it become damaging to an individual, who could change in time. My points are **for the group**, not for that one person. I could draft a list of pointers, but this would be per DM request, via any PC's here. I'm not going to waste any of my weekend "leisure" time without it. 😛 [23-Oct-24 11:26 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Hey, at least the inflationary money supply has slightly decreased 🤷‍♂️ [23-Oct-24 11:30 AM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/not-the-hero-we-deserve-gif-13014154 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/not-the-hero-we-deserve-gif-13014154 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/TiTTmSMcfvIBRTYIjUBrXniB-g0P3Wk72mQppjkhJJQ/https/media.tenor.com/fsD2gxo6aaAAAAAe/not-the.png [23-Oct-24 11:33 AM] sidepipe#0000 Hey guys, I just wanna throw this out there: there is _no obligation_ to pay back the ADI grant, participate in ADI, or really do anything on receipt of the grant. It's just free money for new players. I don't know about giving a grant to someone that's received it already - that's probably up to @jvaler to decide, but nobody is required (or expected) to pay back the money if they quit {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1298685781065469962/image.png?ex=6814f3e2&is=6813a262&hm=969e4d802ff22029d650030109a4b66c61ffe61af429b33568cc691ac366cf3a& {Reactions} 👍 👆 [23-Oct-24 11:37 AM] getonthetrain#0000 I don't believe anyone said it was "illegal", more just 👇 [23-Oct-24 11:37 AM] getonthetrain#0000 https://tenor.com/view/bird-culture-dick-move-rick-and-morty-gif-16922726 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/bird-culture-dick-move-rick-and-morty-gif-16922726 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/l_jQXbrt900WYRinjh1irpSRorJP0s8rTYSmDEu5xRs/https/media.tenor.com/_VtJiTiCCSkAAAAe/bird-culture-dick-move.png [23-Oct-24 11:37 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 bird culture, omg... Starbound "flashbacks"... [23-Oct-24 11:38 AM] sidepipe#0000 But that's precisely what I'm trying to address - it's not a dick move, the money is no strings attached. {Reactions} 👍 👆 [23-Oct-24 11:39 AM] razenpok#0000 ~~except for the string of events forcing the person to post an #internal-offers ad~~:actualchadthink: [23-Oct-24 11:39 AM] getonthetrain#0000 If the guy is truely wanting to seriously stay and play, maybe give him a smaller amount (half mil??) and the rest in 2-4 weeks if he is still around [23-Oct-24 11:40 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah. There's a bit of a mixup with rl analogies... Clear up your definitions. I gave recourse to a few. I expect nothing when I hand out an ad-lib(eral) grant through ADI channels. However I tend to pick true #winners. However... The aforementioned behavior will still happen, statistically. Not due to bad players, but just due to mistakes. [23-Oct-24 11:40 AM] getonthetrain#0000 as a new active player is worth more than digital star dollars {Reactions} 👆 (2) [23-Oct-24 11:42 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I pick for longevity, and community interaction... If you want a write-up, you'll get like 50 pages of Roh's blah-blah-blah. You don't want that. They are worth... Just cater/mentor them a bit more. {Reactions} 😂 [23-Oct-24 11:47 AM] sidepipe#0000 Like I said, that's a decision we should leave up to jvaler as project admin. ADI hasn't been around enough that we've had this situation before (that I know of), so it's good to get a firm rule down in #agp-information. But let's keep things nice here - I don't think it's unreasonable to COLIQ and start over without thinking about what to do with the grant, since it's explicitly no strings attached. {Reactions} 💯 (3) [23-Oct-24 11:49 AM] jcheung#0000 it's not even strictly up to jvaler either, anyone with a million has the option to fulfill a request {Reactions} 💯 (3) [23-Oct-24 11:50 AM] sidepipe#0000 Sure, but I think it'd be good if we continue with a consistent set of rules. Precedent and all that 😄 [23-Oct-24 11:52 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Firm rules? Nah... A strong set of "recommended reading" and a short Q/A session from anyone that's online... Most of us should know our fundamentals. This not only serves the interest of mentoring newbros + helping them to not make mistakes, but it also keeps this place open, and allows many members herein to interact with the new peeps. [23-Oct-24 11:53 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The person at fault, above, asked for, and got my steady recommendations, without detriment, btw 😛 [23-Oct-24 11:54 AM] sidepipe#0000 I mean a consistent set of rules for what the grant is and when we give it out. I.e. this: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1298690968819859660/image.png?ex=6814f8b7&is=6813a737&hm=12b2cd57882e610bca7490be0094bd2397991e849eda67c1c7c23b8d1ba2b1fa& [23-Oct-24 11:55 AM] realharvey#0000 I don't expect anyone paying back their grant. But if someone that received a grant is going to COLIQ and wants to re-earn my trust for funding I do expect them to not have simply throw away that money. {Reactions} ✅ [23-Oct-24 12:04 PM] markusium#0000 i will pay it back [23-Oct-24 12:04 PM] markusium#0000 this time [23-Oct-24 12:04 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Those are "intro" parameters. Not "outro" parameters, if you decide to COLIQ as a grantee, on short notice..... This shouldn't be a big ask, but anyone who can .... ohh sheet... only PROs can issue conts... *Anyone who is wanting to immediately exit, providing short notice, should post here in #agp-operations, regarding their intentions, with immediate liquidation, and no ill-intention should be regarded of them, provided that such outro-stuff gets fulfilled?* This is less of an open-and-free #environment stuff, and more regarding the #morale of your staffing. I assure you, it's a very small ask... ~7 day timers for grant terminations + liquidations... COLIQ to a better spot, and you can get #reassigned the same benefits as before? It's less of the "action", and more of the "thought" put behind the action. [23-Oct-24 12:05 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ^ Yes, that is a question, in the italic text.... [23-Oct-24 12:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 So do you think I'm suggesting that we add that, or are you suggesting that we add that? [23-Oct-24 12:06 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Up to you. ADI peeps get a softer-touch, regarding my rhetoric, than #UFO, or #in-game does. [23-Oct-24 12:06 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You've been nice to me. :3 [23-Oct-24 12:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 Sorry for the way that sounds, I can't figure out how to word that better [23-Oct-24 12:10 PM] sidepipe#0000 Anyway, to be clear, I'm personally not in favor of handing out an ADI grant with any conditions attached beyond what's in the screenshot above. I think our current requirements of "just show us you have a plan so we can help you avoid newbie traps" is really good for getting people started in the game. I'm just saying that we should talk to jvaler when they're online and figure out a rule about this specific situation - whether a person who has restarted is eligible for a second grant [23-Oct-24 12:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 I personally think that they should not be eligible, for what it's worth [23-Oct-24 12:12 PM] laaxus#0000 My belief is that anybody should be able to ask for a grant, but it is not guaranted If he wants another grant, he must convince a donator. I don't think it must go further than that. [23-Oct-24 12:12 PM] realharvey#0000 There is two way we could approach this: Either every contributer decides that for themselfs. Or we do a poll with all Coordinators {Reactions} 👍 [23-Oct-24 12:12 PM] laaxus#0000 The same way newbie must convince they know how to use prunplanner [23-Oct-24 12:15 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'm in favour of a delayed approach. We'll have a general intake/mentorship approach, regarding anyone, anywhere, who after say 1-2 weeks, will be able to apply for anything, provided that they have their fundamentals taken care of? I can pitch in, regarding this effort, but I'm of the opinion that it should be more of a communal thing... It's also maths' based... Early game decisions affect middle, and late-game outcomes. Discretely if you're not going to COLIQ... Even more if you do COLIQ... There's casualties to either sidepipe's or roh's approach. BUT I'd rather have this conversation now, rather than 2 years down the road, ya know? [23-Oct-24 12:21 PM] razenpok#0000 I'm more in favor of a less-overhead and less-rules approach. "Hey, I would like some money" - "Do you have a plan?" - "Yep" - "Here you go". And that's it. Less stress for both parties. Each contributor decides for themselves if they want to donate to any particular person. The incidents like the one above happen so rarely, we can handle them on a case-by-case basis. {Reactions} 💯 (4) [23-Oct-24 12:22 PM] razenpok#0000 The overhead is what's killing this game for the old-timers, so I'm all for reducing it as much as possible {Reactions} 🫶 💯 [23-Oct-24 12:23 PM] realharvey#0000 Good point. Thank you for your thoughts. {Reactions} blobheart [23-Oct-24 12:41 PM] markusium#0000 my plan is finished, how do i sned it? jsut a screenshot? [23-Oct-24 12:42 PM] archielvahr#0000 You can send a "share" link to your prunplanner plan. That's the best option [23-Oct-24 12:42 PM] archielvahr#0000 A screenshot can work in a pinch 🤷‍♂️ [23-Oct-24 12:43 PM] laaxus#0000 Please do not be hephaestus bmp [23-Oct-24 12:43 PM] markusium#0000 didnt notice it whoops [23-Oct-24 12:44 PM] markusium#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/db058e02-69ca-4fe0-a128-55b80ea6976d ill be selling the excess RAT and DW and buy COF, OVE and PWO {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/db058e02-69ca-4fe0-a128-55b80ea6976d PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [23-Oct-24 12:50 PM] markusium#0000 its On harmonia [23-Oct-24 12:56 PM] markusium#0000 i forgot to send it beforehand [23-Oct-24 01:04 PM] jvaler#0000 i do think it sets a bad precedent to give a second grant to someone who just... voided their first grant? i have no idea why they would do that in the first place... @markusium any insight? [23-Oct-24 01:04 PM] laaxus#0000 Just for the sake of asking, why not dividing it into 2 bases (harmonia norwick) ? [23-Oct-24 01:05 PM] markusium#0000 i wanted to start over, i had used most of the money and i didnt think of liquidating my money, it was a msitake, if i ever (msot likely not) again COLIQ my company ill do that [23-Oct-24 01:07 PM] jvaler#0000 what made you want to start over? the whole point of the grant is player retention, so there's been some kind of failure somewhere [23-Oct-24 01:09 PM] markusium#0000 i lost interested in PRUN and when i returned i didnt have enough money and material to repair my buildigns in both of my bases, and it jsut felt better to restart, there wasnt a failure [23-Oct-24 01:09 PM] markusium#0000 i am planning to go there, ill jsut set up on harmonai first [23-Oct-24 01:12 PM] markusium#0000 ill repay it [23-Oct-24 01:13 PM] laaxus#0000 What's the reasoning of not doing it now [23-Oct-24 01:14 PM] markusium#0000 well, tehyre gonna be at a similar time, i jsut want to set up on Harmonia first (as that was the first option), ill propably go to Norwick 2-4 days after setting up base [23-Oct-24 01:15 PM] laaxus#0000 Doing it 2-4 days later makes even less sense [23-Oct-24 01:16 PM] laaxus#0000 Why not set up a 500 area farm on harmonia, then a 500 area fp base on norwick ? [23-Oct-24 01:16 PM] laaxus#0000 What's your thought process [23-Oct-24 01:16 PM] markusium#0000 okay, yeah sure sure i will do that, good idea actually [23-Oct-24 01:17 PM] laaxus#0000 Please don't Say yes without understanding why 😭 [23-Oct-24 01:18 PM] laaxus#0000 I didn't check the number, it might be a bad idea [23-Oct-24 01:18 PM] laaxus#0000 What are the pros and cons of dividing ? [23-Oct-24 01:18 PM] markusium#0000 i understand now, becocuze Norwick is for food industries and Harmonia for famring [23-Oct-24 01:19 PM] markusium#0000 qucikly thinking the only bad thing would propably me forgetting once or twice to send agriculture product from Harmonia [23-Oct-24 01:20 PM] laaxus#0000 That's one pro Another pro is that it's better, as dividing in two bases allow to get 1000 area with 2 permits, and not 3 [23-Oct-24 01:22 PM] pxlfox.#0000 just to explain - if you use your first permit to found a base on a planet you get 500 spaces to build. the second permit you use on the planet only gives you 250 additional spaces, not 500 more [23-Oct-24 01:22 PM] pxlfox.#0000 therefore you get more space / permit, if you have only one on different planets [23-Oct-24 01:23 PM] laaxus#0000 The cons is shipping [23-Oct-24 01:23 PM] laaxus#0000 Do you think you Can ship the input goods you need [23-Oct-24 01:25 PM] markusium#0000 Yes i do [23-Oct-24 01:25 PM] pxlfox.#0000 👆 to check this, you can click on the blue button with the two arrows in PrunPlanner in the "Overview" box. It will show you how much you have to ship, how often you would need to send your ships back and forth and how quickly your storage will fill [23-Oct-24 01:27 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm not so sure [23-Oct-24 01:29 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm also not sure you Can afford 2 bases what 1m [23-Oct-24 01:29 PM] pxlfox.#0000 probaly not two full bases with restocks [23-Oct-24 01:29 PM] jvaler#0000 i see... forgetting that your items and buildings can be liquidated is fair enough [23-Oct-24 01:32 PM] pxlfox.#0000 my base on Harmonia costed me around 600.000 with the internal requests - around 800.000, if I would have bought it from CX [23-Oct-24 01:34 PM] markusium#0000 alright, well ill go with my original plan, and once ill haave enough money ill create the second base [23-Oct-24 01:34 PM] laaxus#0000 I recommend you start with just the farm [23-Oct-24 01:34 PM] laaxus#0000 Then you expand into the fp basz [23-Oct-24 01:35 PM] markusium#0000 wouldnt it be better to set up FPs on Harmonia (first base) and once i get enough money to dissasemble them and build more farms and rigs? [23-Oct-24 01:37 PM] laaxus#0000 There's 2 schools Some people would recommend half frm half FP/INC I recommend directly starting with a full 500 area of frm [23-Oct-24 01:39 PM] markusium#0000 id rather go half FRM, HALF FP, since tahts more requested then agriculture materials (i think, it makes sence to me) [23-Oct-24 01:40 PM] pxlfox.#0000 a mixed base would be more profitiable to begin with (as far as PP says) [23-Oct-24 01:40 PM] pxlfox.#0000 you could specialise the planets later on [23-Oct-24 01:40 PM] pxlfox.#0000 but be aware, that you will lose a few of the building materials [23-Oct-24 01:40 PM] laaxus#0000 Profit, yes but what about roi ? I'm on phone so can't check [23-Oct-24 01:41 PM] pxlfox.#0000 around 2 weeks with a mixed base [23-Oct-24 01:41 PM] laaxus#0000 The only thing that ever matter for New players is roi [23-Oct-24 01:41 PM] pxlfox.#0000 and 20 days with farms only [23-Oct-24 01:41 PM] pxlfox.#0000 (again, taken from PP) [23-Oct-24 01:42 PM] pxlfox.#0000 seems to be the better choice imo [23-Oct-24 01:42 PM] laaxus#0000 Then it's ok [23-Oct-24 01:42 PM] pxlfox.#0000 since you should have a few bucks leftover from the grand, the second base shouldn't be that hard to achive [23-Oct-24 01:43 PM] laaxus#0000 I'd recommend he keep the leftover [23-Oct-24 01:43 PM] laaxus#0000 As buffer [23-Oct-24 01:45 PM] markusium#0000 ill do that yeah [23-Oct-24 01:45 PM] markusium#0000 IF [23-Oct-24 01:46 PM] markusium#0000 i get it [23-Oct-24 02:07 PM] markusium#0000 so, thats my plan there [23-Oct-24 02:12 PM] tanda#0000 I'm interested in this, would like to buy a full permit worth of MAI for until you get your second base up and running [23-Oct-24 02:27 PM] tanda#0000 Give me a few hours [23-Oct-24 03:09 PM] markusium#0000 i apologisde for my ignorince(i never had this), what would this do? [23-Oct-24 03:25 PM] igfloz#0000 I won't try and speak for Tanda, but offers like this kinda mean that he might fund your base- in exchange you produce and sell all of your MAI to him (at an agreed price) - this will help you accrue funds to help with further expansion [23-Oct-24 03:40 PM] jcheung#0000 or at least until you get your second base running {Reactions} 👆 [23-Oct-24 03:45 PM] markusium#0000 im deciding, ill answer later [23-Oct-24 03:47 PM] jcheung#0000 sometimes (not certain with this one without asking) the deal also means you're paid in advance for goods which you supply whenever you actually end up making it [23-Oct-24 03:57 PM] markusium#0000 yeah, ill accept it [23-Oct-24 03:57 PM] markusium#0000 but elts first discuss the details (ofcourse) [23-Oct-24 04:01 PM] tanda#0000 Absolutely, I'll detail what I an proposing in a couple hours when I get home [23-Oct-24 06:48 PM] tanda#0000 @markusium if you're down for it, this is what I'd like to you to run. It provides a good balance between the MAI supply I'd like, and providing you with a steady stream of income outside of that with RAT production. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1298795114575171624/image.png?ex=6814b0f5&is=68135f75&hm=e7beefb6fc541d7011bc779bc5392c036ef2fcf3741d59fe8d69726503555f2d& [23-Oct-24 06:48 PM] tanda#0000 Your prior example showed a triple permit Harmonia, so I went ahead and made this a two permit [23-Oct-24 06:52 PM] tanda#0000 1) I will give you the 1 million AIC (jvaler, don't you take away my pink name) 2) I want to buy all MAI surplus you generate at 200/unit 3) I'm willing to help with any shipping you may need for base setup or water transport, as well as subsidize water for you for a while. 4) I want to buy MAI from you until you drop a base on Norwick and need the FRM outputs for your own needs, or 30 days have passed, whichever is latest. 5) All MAI purchase will just be weekly contracts at Harmonia. I'll pick it up there [23-Oct-24 07:19 PM] marat_sh#0000 2 STOs for 240t export per day? [23-Oct-24 07:21 PM] tanda#0000 export per day is the MAI [23-Oct-24 07:21 PM] tanda#0000 which will be MAI problem {Reactions} 🥁 (4) [23-Oct-24 07:24 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/steve-funny-gif-22134513 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/steve-funny-gif-22134513 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/hI91nI2ySUMMTWD_BS1CkrGNBop54vMiCIf2Ru0R318/https/media.tenor.com/Wnkk2VtvniwAAAAe/steve-funny.png [24-Oct-24 03:24 AM] markusium#0000 And you want this daily, or can i deliver it every 2 or 3 days? [24-Oct-24 03:28 AM] pxlfox.#0000 See 5) [24-Oct-24 03:59 AM] markusium#0000 (fuck) [24-Oct-24 04:01 AM] markusium#0000 Sure, i agree to this, however rn im not Home, in about 4 Hours in back [24-Oct-24 05:39 AM] realharvey#0000 Can we still add it to the grant sheet and not give you yellow? [24-Oct-24 07:26 AM] tanda#0000 If that's what you guys would like to do, sure! [24-Oct-24 08:55 AM] tanda#0000 Contract sent and fulfilled. [24-Oct-24 08:55 AM] tanda#0000 please no take away pink name [24-Oct-24 09:38 AM] jvaler#0000 this is a private deal and doesn't fall under AGP {Reactions} 🫡 (4) [01-Nov-24 08:41 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Also, to give some context (and blame where it's due), MakryCz also joined KAWA after the first grant. It was a weird time for us in Antares, we promised them we'd be able to help with supply more, but then I [mostly] retired and our main Antares member quit so... we were not quite as supportive as promised. @markusium if you want some more assistance, or @tanda if you want some reimbursement for this deal, I'm happy to support them up to the million of their original grant ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [01-Nov-24 08:45 AM] markusium#0000 I dont need another grant, thanks [01-Nov-24 10:23 AM] tanda#0000 I'm solid, but thank you for the offer [03-Nov-24 05:48 PM] rxbbxss#0000 Hey, just wondering how much context you need for a grant application. Not been using prunplanner, mainly pen and paper but can get a spreadsheet or something sketched up with the numbers if needed! [03-Nov-24 05:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 you can just write your plan and we can slap it into the prunplanner for better visualisation [03-Nov-24 05:54 PM] marat_sh#0000 like Planet, buildings, recipes and etc [03-Nov-24 05:57 PM] jcheung#0000 Prunplanner isn't strictly required but it's a great way to share the plans without any manual input from people viewing [03-Nov-24 05:58 PM] rxbbxss#0000 Still trying to get my head around it haha [03-Nov-24 06:00 PM] jcheung#0000 You can make some plans without it [03-Nov-24 06:00 PM] jcheung#0000 And then we can help you figure it out with the data you supply [03-Nov-24 06:01 PM] jcheung#0000 That said, it all depends on whoever accepts your request [03-Nov-24 06:01 PM] tanda#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-i6rLZMaQ {Embed} Lord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-i6rLZMaQ How to use Prunplanner for Prosperous Universe Hopefully this video helps you understand how to set up Prunplanner, if you have any questions please leave them below --Links-- The official Prosp discord https://discord.gg/YkwpJ2hdDE Link to Prunplanner https://prunplanner.org/ Background audio used https://youtu.be/EM5KwkTQzsE Ending music from Sweet Cafe https://youtu.be/6DhONAQfEVg https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DSq6GXwpy1FwDBpBlIBMy2TpSSXULzOp4ckXQXPKUp0/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/Vi-i6rLZMaQ/maxresdefault.jpg [03-Nov-24 06:02 PM] tanda#0000 I recommend Lord's video if you're having problems setting up PRun planner [03-Nov-24 06:02 PM] jcheung#0000 You could be as lax as "i want to make a base producing nothing but AL on deimos" and could get a positive reaction [03-Nov-24 06:05 PM] rxbbxss#0000 I mean tbf, my plan is literally just 75% PPMK2 on nike by area, with the rest of the space for limestone extraction + experimenting on the locals [03-Nov-24 06:05 PM] rxbbxss#0000 That's going to be fed with al ore (eventually just pure AL but my smelting gear is on Phobos until I move it over) from Nascent [03-Nov-24 06:06 PM] tanda#0000 I will be honest and say I don't recommend the LST extraction. There's a lot of sellers on the planet that charge reasonable prices [03-Nov-24 06:06 PM] jcheung#0000 Slight aside-we call those PP2s because you can type ``BUI PP2`` into a buffer [03-Nov-24 06:06 PM] rxbbxss#0000 Oh yeah to be fair if it saves me the space I'll happily replace it with more PPMK2 [03-Nov-24 06:06 PM] rxbbxss#0000 Ahhh I get you [03-Nov-24 06:06 PM] rxbbxss#0000 Yeah makes sense, I'm still learning all the shortcodes [03-Nov-24 06:07 PM] jcheung#0000 If you see a 1-3 letter code, 90% of the time it goes into MAT XXX, otherwise it's BUI or CO [08-Nov-24 05:08 AM] umbers#0000 Hello all. I'd like to apply for a grant to expand carbon production. My plan includes creating a FRM base on Harmonia and setting up additional INCs on my existing Phobos base. Costs Harmonia - 379990 (494300 - materials reclaimed from Phobos FRMs) Phobos - 325480 (2 HB1 and 13 INC) Consumables/H20 - 207257 (10 day buffer for total workforce) Total - 912727 Profit - 69368 (At current AI1 sell price of 825) ROI 12.98 days Phobos - https://prunplanner.org/shared/d8fddecd-0bdb-4f65-9773-29b97e8018d6 Harmonia - https://prunplanner.org/shared/55fca61f-bac8-49aa-a9d0-fad98d98ab6b {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/d8fddecd-0bdb-4f65-9773-29b97e8018d6 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/55fca61f-bac8-49aa-a9d0-fad98d98ab6b PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [08-Nov-24 05:22 AM] laaxus#0000 Phobos is not recommended forINC [08-Nov-24 05:22 AM] laaxus#0000 you should take a look at nascent [08-Nov-24 05:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ^ or any planet with Resource Extraction CoGC, tho nascent is cheap to build on [08-Nov-24 05:54 AM] umbers#0000 A Nascent base was my original plan, but the cost of setting up 2 additional bases meant a big dip to profit, and I'm too stubborn to COLIQ. I'm aware Phobos isn't ideal for INC, but I've already got half of what's planned constructed there. Seemed the better option was to double down on Phobos for now and expand to Nascent later with the profits from that. [08-Nov-24 05:56 AM] umbers#0000 If the consensus is that's a terrible idea, I'll have another look at including Nascent in the plan later today [08-Nov-24 06:04 AM] pxlfox.#0000 You could think about tearing down your base on Phobos and relocate it to Nascent [08-Nov-24 06:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 You only have 2 permits, so a third base won’t be available, until you upgrade your HQ [08-Nov-24 06:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Since your base is just a few days a lot (guessing), the loss in construction materials shouldn’t be too bad (please double check) [08-Nov-24 06:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 This would lead to some downtime, tho. So definitely not ideal [08-Nov-24 06:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I would suggest to check the numbers on Phobos and Harmonia. If your Phobos base can eat up all the products of your FRM base, then there is no need to aim for better efficiency [08-Nov-24 06:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And you can collect some money before moving your INC to another planet, when you need it [08-Nov-24 06:09 AM] laaxus#0000 20% bonus is signficant [08-Nov-24 06:09 AM] laaxus#0000 It Can almost double your profit in some cases [08-Nov-24 06:15 AM] umbers#0000 Okay, thanks. Going to include tearing down Phobos as part of the re-plan. Oldest INC is 44 days, so think I'd only be losing out a tiny bit of MCG. Took a quick look, and it seems Harmonia can just cover the input needed for INCs on Nascent {Reactions} 🫡 (2) [08-Nov-24 09:44 AM] sidepipe#0000 Let me know when you finish the re-plan and I’ll send you the grant 🙂 [09-Nov-24 05:50 AM] umbers#0000 Alright, reduced the number of initial FRM on Harmonia and starting with 20 INC on Nascent. Construction materials after deconstructing Phobos, plus consumables buffer comes to 874171, for a profit of 51998/d. The last ~130000 I thought I'd just keep liquid until everything is running in case of any issues. Nascent - https://prunplanner.org/shared/fc27a7e2-d64c-423d-9969-337bfab92a8d Harmonia - https://prunplanner.org/shared/55fca61f-bac8-49aa-a9d0-fad98d98ab6b {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/fc27a7e2-d64c-423d-9969-337bfab92a8d PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/55fca61f-bac8-49aa-a9d0-fad98d98ab6b PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Nov-24 07:30 AM] sidepipe#0000 Looks solid to me! I’m on mobile right now, so sending contracts is rough, but if you send me one I’ll fill it. Just sell me one RAT or SF at ANT for 1M [09-Nov-24 08:06 AM] umbers#0000 Ah, great! Also on mobile for a while. I'll get that sent later unless you beat me to it [09-Nov-24 12:17 PM] umbers#0000 That's sent now. Think I've set it up correctly, but it's my first contract draft so just let me know if anything needs amending [09-Nov-24 12:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 Looks great, thanks for sending 🙂 [09-Nov-24 12:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 now go forth and make carbon! [09-Nov-24 12:22 PM] umbers#0000 Ah, just noticed I chose Phobos instead of ANT. Would you like me to change that? Or should I just go ahead and fulfill? [09-Nov-24 12:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 you can just request termination on the contract - I've already paid, so you'll keep the cash. no need to send me a :RAT: [09-Nov-24 12:23 PM] umbers#0000 Okay. Thanks! [10-Nov-24 08:17 AM] imjoshuarice#0000 I'd like to apply for the grant please. Deimos, BMP Considering doing a mix of MCG, EXO and PE to begin with as this keeps supplies within one ship for now. Any thoughts? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1305174599964688495/NVIDIA_Overlay_zRFi9XEpdg.png?ex=6814d411&is=68138291&hm=20e39cbebb283c0b61d35cf59dc201a83ade182b01fcbb51984aa7fac1d983ec& [10-Nov-24 08:19 AM] laaxus#0000 BMP is a manufacturing building [10-Nov-24 08:20 AM] laaxus#0000 while deimos is a metallurgy planet [10-Nov-24 08:20 AM] laaxus#0000 see the efficiency factor ? [10-Nov-24 08:20 AM] laaxus#0000 you should try to have 160% [10-Nov-24 08:21 AM] laaxus#0000 if you want to do bmp, there's hephaestus [10-Nov-24 08:21 AM] laaxus#0000 if you want to stay on deimos, you could do SME [10-Nov-24 09:27 AM] imjoshuarice#0000 Hmm in that case, I can do the same plan but on Hephaestus. That said, you recently removed your BMP's there - anything I should know? [10-Nov-24 09:30 AM] jcheung#0000 probably moving on to different chains that they feel are more profitable [10-Nov-24 09:34 AM] laaxus#0000 BMP used to be profitable I consider them not profitable enough Not saying it's bad [10-Nov-24 09:34 AM] laaxus#0000 My gameplay is to maximize the reward, whatever the risk [10-Nov-24 09:38 AM] laaxus#0000 there's only 4 viables recipes for bmp : MCG EXO PE REP the other don't sale fast enough MCG requires a ton of shipping PE is unstable because of the current C market EXO REP don't sale fast (but enough that it's viable) PE EXO REP are not profitable enough imo [10-Nov-24 09:40 AM] laaxus#0000 BMP strength is to be able to swap recipes and adapt to the market [10-Nov-24 09:41 AM] laaxus#0000 currently, I'd produce PE [10-Nov-24 09:45 AM] laaxus#0000 you should look at the pinned posts [10-Nov-24 09:45 AM] laaxus#0000 it would give you insights on what is **possible** [10-Nov-24 09:45 AM] laaxus#0000 then you can make your choice [10-Nov-24 11:04 AM] imjoshuarice#0000 Yeah I'm fairly set upon doing Manufacturing, I'll head down to Hephaestus. [10-Nov-24 12:02 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1305231139954364536/NVIDIA_Overlay_Gnz32yyM85.png?ex=681508b9&is=6813b739&hm=359ea13a0cb69044b6532f011fcbb7be1376b5b600836dbbfac27baae1ad625b& [10-Nov-24 12:10 PM] marat_sh#0000 I was doing manufacturing for quite a while [10-Nov-24 12:10 PM] marat_sh#0000 wanna my set up? [10-Nov-24 12:18 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1305235059325927465/image.png?ex=68150c60&is=6813bae0&hm=57aa045f36235f8a6ea3918d62e1efd3b2c2867bac3efdcad552d8622af85d7b& [10-Nov-24 12:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 you can tweak ratios on what is more profitable, but this 5 are major items [10-Nov-24 01:28 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Yeah that's more or less what I had in mind. I used to religiously produce REP, until I learnt the hard way to make sure you save enough to get through market weirdness like when MFK (or may have been SFK) literally dropped off the Market for a few days. Exo looks promising but there isn't much movement per day hence why earlier I was suggesting I only do 1/3rd of my total production at most. I intend to do something similar to the above so I can build up a surplus for certain products until they are more profitable. Hopefully the grant will help me get set on Hephaestus Thanks Jean [10-Nov-24 01:32 PM] marat_sh#0000 EXO was quite empty past 2 weeks. I've sold around 3-4k EXO [10-Nov-24 01:32 PM] marat_sh#0000 and since I am stopping my EXO production, there will be spot [10-Nov-24 01:33 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 😼 Excellent [10-Nov-24 01:33 PM] marat_sh#0000 just try not to go below 220/u [10-Nov-24 01:33 PM] marat_sh#0000 I use cxm to check prices [10-Nov-24 01:34 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1305254241723617472/image.png?ex=6814757d&is=681323fd&hm=16ede9adbd78d3a8d3f19259ef82bf8688638db202e9ab6e608cfaecef3f7e2c& [10-Nov-24 01:34 PM] marat_sh#0000 around 240-260/u is a sweet spot [10-Nov-24 01:34 PM] marat_sh#0000 at 230/u it's cheap [10-Nov-24 01:34 PM] marat_sh#0000 and 220/u and lower it's not worth it [10-Nov-24 01:35 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 I agree [10-Nov-24 01:36 PM] marat_sh#0000 also if you see other markets increase price for it, don't be afraid to increase as well, or people will buy out supply and sell it on other market [10-Nov-24 01:37 PM] marat_sh#0000 another tip, is to not sell 100% of your stock (consumables) In case if someone would manipulate market you have some reserves to help people out (more for future when you can afford to not sell) [11-Nov-24 01:48 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 I think I'm happy with this plan for now until I've saved up a bit more {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1305620102925783171/NVIDIA_Overlay_YcEUCv7Oqf.png?ex=681478b9&is=68132739&hm=a9988ee2bf72de1af025b05a3c9724e1c8b79e0489a761cdbb81d999eb1a9d8a& [11-Nov-24 03:10 PM] archielvahr#0000 Looks good to me! Did anyone send you your money yet? If not I'll send it now 🙂 [11-Nov-24 03:13 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Not yet {Reactions} 👍 [11-Nov-24 03:15 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Cheers, received. I'll complete in 3hr - should I track my progress somewhere? {Reactions} 🍻 [11-Nov-24 03:15 PM] jcheung#0000 Only if you want to [11-Nov-24 03:19 PM] akyantor#0000 It's a no strings attached kind of deal. Do see if there are any offers you want to take up in #internal-offers , often the money goes a bit further that way. 🙂 [11-Nov-24 03:20 PM] akyantor#0000 You can ask folks about their offers in #trading if you have any questions. [12-Nov-24 07:42 AM] rahzo_rsc#0000 Hey everyone, I am Razho, started out selling C on Phobos, then moved the C production to Ice Palace while keeping FRMs on Phobos. Now I got a base on Harmonia and will be moving all FRMs there. Leaving me with an empty base on Phobos. I was thinking about setting up Cleanrooms due to having leftover C and being able to use all of if, however it seems like the the items made with C dont sell to well, or are just slow in the market. I would like some ideas from more veteran players. I would however like to try and keep my chains self sufficient, and dont want to have to buy to many external Mats. Looking forward to the continued expansion of ANT. Slow and Steady!! [12-Nov-24 08:34 AM] sidepipe#0000 It’s been a bit since I’ve looked at the electronics items (other than the ones I make, which also fall into this category), but my sense is that most electronics are slow on the market in general. If you’re really attached to the base on Phobos, you could always grow things there too. If not, you could consider doing chemistry with all that C [12-Nov-24 08:37 AM] sidepipe#0000 For example, CL and DDT are two chemistry products that have been consistently profitable since I started making them like 9 months ago 😄 [12-Nov-24 08:39 AM] rahzo_rsc#0000 I mean I guess I am not more attached to the base then wanting to be the best C empire lol [12-Nov-24 08:40 AM] sidepipe#0000 I see 😄 [12-Nov-24 08:40 AM] sidepipe#0000 I don’t actually make C, so someone else should confirm this, but I believe the triple burn recipe for C is the most profitable one - I think that’s the one that uses HCP and two other plants [12-Nov-24 08:42 AM] rahzo_rsc#0000 expensive as well [12-Nov-24 08:48 AM] jcheung#0000 It's around 20% or so more productive including a number of support bases compared to single GRN burn, at least on harmonia [12-Nov-24 08:48 AM] jcheung#0000 Around two or three times higher shipping though [12-Nov-24 02:33 PM] archielvahr#0000 I think if you plan to make just a few CLR you should advertise your products in this channel and you might find someone just willing to bulk purchase your products ahead of time. [12-Nov-24 02:39 PM] laaxus#0000 I can't recommend clr for a beginner, unless he finds a contract [12-Nov-24 02:40 PM] archielvahr#0000 Like I'd buy 100 SWF/d at maybe.. 210/u. You'd have to do the math to see if that works for you. [12-Nov-24 02:41 PM] archielvahr#0000 I probably have 10 CLR right now so if I had a reliable supply for the mix of basic components, I could convert some of those. I think most electronic manufacturers are vertically integrated like that but that’s just because there’s never been much supply. [12-Nov-24 02:45 PM] laaxus#0000 100SWF/d is 1 clr [12-Nov-24 02:45 PM] laaxus#0000 I can't double check on mobile, but Price seems ok [12-Nov-24 02:46 PM] laaxus#0000 If razho doesn't take your deal, I might @archielvahr if that's ok with you [12-Nov-24 02:50 PM] archielvahr#0000 😄 [12-Nov-24 02:50 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/looks-like-we-got-some-competition-john-aspinal-south-park-south-park-city-people-south-park-s25e3-gif-24979044 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/looks-like-we-got-some-competition-john-aspinal-south-park-south-park-city-people-south-park-s25e3-gif-24979044 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Q3gc6M3NB2Vw9j_8u73C-L5rQHVAYM0YGt9Vxlf0dxo/https/media.tenor.com/t1SnIQOHIA0AAAAe/looks-like-we-got-some-competition-john-aspinal.png [12-Nov-24 03:32 PM] getonthetrain#0000 and here I am pumping out SWF to fill Archiels current market order [12-Nov-24 03:34 PM] getonthetrain#0000 was that you that also had some market orders for software components @archielvahr ? [12-Nov-24 03:35 PM] getonthetrain#0000 that got taken down the other day? [12-Nov-24 03:36 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yep! Maybe they got filled, I had a mix so I don't recall what I had out [12-Nov-24 03:36 PM] getonthetrain#0000 oh, well I am building up organically and am getting into that field if you need [12-Nov-24 03:36 PM] archielvahr#0000 I think of the SD items, LDs are pretty flexibile, so I can buy those and substitute them into my chains [12-Nov-24 03:37 PM] getonthetrain#0000 yea, doing LDs right now [12-Nov-24 03:37 PM] archielvahr#0000 I will go through what I use from CLRs and SDs and update the orders [12-Nov-24 03:38 PM] getonthetrain#0000 ok, I will fill if fairly priced [12-Nov-24 06:24 PM] rxbbxss#0000 My attempt to prove I am a strong and stable financier and can be trusted with your prefabs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10VEWhVC4v4C2Y5SEyUr19pSWs72_fL--8MBS4ag60Ww/edit?gid=1218525705#gid=1218525705 Most of them are just daft notes/calculations, some not even prun related. Main ones are: 'Glass' is a sheet for calculating prefab requirements for construction. 'Materials' is for production method costs and P/L Prices may be out of date on some of them! {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10VEWhVC4v4C2Y5SEyUr19pSWs72_fL--8MBS4ag60Ww/edit?gid=1218525705 prun stuff https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9Ns7FUonV952CnIgK3wUYYtiz-TSQ32TZI44GxZlDrQ/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyIGDHuYshanLYl7kWRe-j9keCHi06INlk8GnSMvJIjGLGz6F2nQ8Pkxd6gfOQckJ_iyVnMpcBfM6FS9EXrVxUWQEd2y8Py4vTYzZMp8y2CQbcQeHVfZ%3Dw1200-h630-p [12-Nov-24 06:25 PM] rxbbxss#0000 *yes it is chaos* [12-Nov-24 06:26 PM] jvaler#0000 it cerainly proves... something =P [12-Nov-24 06:27 PM] rxbbxss#0000 Bahahaha, had half of this knocked up in airtable at one point [12-Nov-24 06:28 PM] jvaler#0000 the main thing i look for is just market competency, like being able to tell if something is traded too thinly to sell into for reliable liquidity(which is important as a new growing player) [12-Nov-24 06:30 PM] rxbbxss#0000 Makes sense! The main way I'm approaching that is mainly to do vertical integration. If prices for BBH etc start falling too low, I can mix in other basic prefabs, or start producing more RBH etc [12-Nov-24 06:30 PM] rxbbxss#0000 If it drops below my production costs, well, that just means cheaper RBH production for me anyway [12-Nov-24 06:34 PM] jvaler#0000 yup yup, if BBH price falls(it never does😶) then it just becomes a cheaper input for profits elsewhere though when the input is high you'd rather be selling it than having the capital spent on the PP3 just sitting around and degrading... you always want your buildings running *something* [12-Nov-24 06:34 PM] jvaler#0000 (bfab prices are basically always pinned to the market maker, you don't need to worry about them crashing) [12-Nov-24 06:36 PM] rxbbxss#0000 Yeah, I figure stockpile and worst case I end up with a ship full and can just ship/get it shipped to another exchange [12-Nov-24 06:37 PM] rxbbxss#0000 Ideally I want to get myself to a decent cushion of cash, then start getting into spaceship part fabrication (if not entire ships) [12-Nov-24 06:37 PM] rxbbxss#0000 But my current aim is just getting nike and nascent maxed out for construction and AL production [12-Nov-24 06:45 PM] archielvahr#0000 Can't make any sense of your spreadsheet, but I consider that good enough a plan for me to send a grant 😄 [12-Nov-24 06:46 PM] archielvahr#0000 27 days with 3 bases, that's pretty good! Do you have loans out? [12-Nov-24 06:47 PM] archielvahr#0000 Enjoy 😄 {Reactions} 🥳 [12-Nov-24 06:48 PM] rxbbxss#0000 Yeah but they're covered under current production so far. Had to delay payment by a day on last one because I cocked up my timings on moving to Nike, but looking like smooth sailing now! [12-Nov-24 06:48 PM] rxbbxss#0000 That was some expensive water {Reactions} 😆 [13-Nov-24 06:13 PM] tyrandia#0000 As seen here: https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1192951755462410271/1306404701939564626 Decent Carbon farm setup with a semi-guaranteed buyer. 🙂 [13-Nov-24 06:14 PM] tyrandia#0000 I also have a friend who is doing food who can ship me tons of just... raw materials for making carbon on the cheap. [13-Nov-24 06:19 PM] tyrandia#0000 Total plan cost + consumables to get set up. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1306413111087075368/image.png?ex=6814b845&is=681366c5&hm=dac67d0c1ad962ce3e68f8ab3b05c49c4932131744e2ce85725fc896db0d747f& [13-Nov-24 09:58 PM] archielvahr#0000 Looks good to me, sending you a grant! [15-Nov-24 10:14 PM] roche3950#0000 Request for grant. Base proposal on Harmonia: https://prunplanner.org/shared/c7922ede-2036-46e1-acb5-aff1f4464c01 I estimate that I will be able to build out the base and begin production in approx 5 days. In the short term this base will be used to provide basic food and water for the market. Near-term expansion will focus on additional FRMs to supply @tyrandia with inputs for her carbon base. Thank you for your consideration {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/c7922ede-2036-46e1-acb5-aff1f4464c01 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. 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[16-Nov-24 04:26 AM] jvaler#0000 firstly, you should be using both luxury consumables. unless their prices are jacked way up they're basically always worth it. if there's a case where they aren't worth it, it's likely that the recipe you're running isn't profitable enough in the first place. secondly, i highly advise against RIGs on harmonia. they just aren't worth it for the building cost and area used. you should just be importing water from the CX instead {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1307290717676376064/image.png?ex=68149ddb&is=68134c5b&hm=dbe458203f5c230328a9bd8df9dc6545e55f8bb2d57cad9e232f3d55389a97d5& [16-Nov-24 04:28 AM] jvaler#0000 60d ROI period is really really bad [16-Nov-24 04:29 AM] jvaler#0000 the idea of having interim FP while you wait on lilidragon is a good one though [16-Nov-24 04:42 AM] jcheung#0000 there's also no expert assignment [16-Nov-24 04:43 AM] jcheung#0000 also any particular reason BEA slow recipie instead of BEA fast? [16-Nov-24 04:44 AM] jcheung#0000 well, i guess it doesn't make a BEA that much faster [16-Nov-24 04:53 AM] jvaler#0000 ^^ you should plan based off 5 experts, because unless you plan on deconstructing the base you're going to get 5 eventually [16-Nov-24 04:53 AM] jvaler#0000 especially when you're doing stuff involving ratios, like FRM feeding FP [16-Nov-24 04:54 AM] jcheung#0000 though for agi/fp temp split i would more do 2/3 or 3/2 split [16-Nov-24 04:55 AM] jcheung#0000 i personally would consider strongly adding HER to FRM, adding FRM, 4:2:2:1 BEA:VEG:GRN:HER, removing two RIG, 2:3:1 DW:RAT:FIM [16-Nov-24 04:55 AM] jcheung#0000 takes you from 31k/d to 38k/d [16-Nov-24 04:55 AM] jcheung#0000 assuming that you really really want to do water on harmonia [16-Nov-24 04:55 AM] jcheung#0000 which, as jvaler pointed out isn't great [16-Nov-24 04:56 AM] jcheung#0000 that being said, RAT inputs are currently a little... messed up [16-Nov-24 04:56 AM] jvaler#0000 there isn't much of a reason to, it's terrible profits and minimal logi relief [16-Nov-24 04:56 AM] jcheung#0000 so BEA/VEG/GRN is actually a pretty bad proposition right now [16-Nov-24 04:57 AM] jcheung#0000 (C input) [16-Nov-24 04:57 AM] jvaler#0000 FIM does sound good though, the base is pretty cheap so the grant should be able to cover a DDT buffer [16-Nov-24 04:57 AM] jcheung#0000 yeah [16-Nov-24 04:58 AM] jcheung#0000 i'm not at all trying to increae the FIM supply so i can stop paying through the nose either 👀 [16-Nov-24 04:58 AM] jvaler#0000 😶 [16-Nov-24 04:58 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm conflicted on selling my AFC FIM to roganartu or you lol... [16-Nov-24 04:58 AM] jcheung#0000 rog [16-Nov-24 04:59 AM] jcheung#0000 they asked first 😛 [16-Nov-24 04:59 AM] jvaler#0000 yeah the precedent has been that it goes to them, plus i feel like i owe them for organizing CAAP [16-Nov-24 05:07 AM] roche3950#0000 hey team appreciate the feedback [16-Nov-24 05:07 AM] roche3950#0000 will revert with an updated plan in a bit here {Reactions} ✅ (3) [16-Nov-24 05:49 AM] roche3950#0000 re-saved, shouldn’t need to post another link [16-Nov-24 05:51 AM] roche3950#0000 basically followed the suggestions above as I comprehended them, but find myself with material net positives on raw food materials — think it’s reasonable to grow some MAI or HCP as well to feed fast-burn carbon plants? [16-Nov-24 06:00 AM] jcheung#0000 MAI and HCP are terrible on FRMs [16-Nov-24 06:00 AM] roche3950#0000 disregard: screws up the HER net positive [16-Nov-24 06:00 AM] jcheung#0000 MAI and HCP are better off on HYF if you can do it there [16-Nov-24 06:01 AM] roche3950#0000 down the line I suppose [16-Nov-24 06:07 AM] jcheung#0000 if i were doing this for myself, i would consider this-you don't have to follow it by any means {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1307316001834012672/image.png?ex=6814b567&is=681363e7&hm=75f13b7eee6a38705adc6f3cc9f3e9fd6463ee9b10cf81265fc03c8f3d9adeb5& [16-Nov-24 06:08 AM] roche3950#0000 I do appreciate the guidance [16-Nov-24 06:08 AM] roche3950#0000 Long time since I’ve played. I should know better really [16-Nov-24 06:09 AM] jcheung#0000 DW currently is pretty dang good for FPs [16-Nov-24 06:09 AM] jcheung#0000 at least with current water prices [16-Nov-24 06:10 AM] roche3950#0000 yeah, I found it quite surprising [16-Nov-24 06:10 AM] jcheung#0000 FPs on an agri outperforming FRMs on the money side 😂 [16-Nov-24 06:10 AM] roche3950#0000 this makes the i/o much better [16-Nov-24 06:11 AM] roche3950#0000 tricky visualizing it all on mobile 😅 [16-Nov-24 06:11 AM] jcheung#0000 oh god you're trying to do this on mobile? [16-Nov-24 06:11 AM] jcheung#0000 braver soul than i [16-Nov-24 06:11 AM] laaxus#0000 Watch how much shipping it requires [16-Nov-24 06:11 AM] laaxus#0000 and you'll understand [16-Nov-24 06:12 AM] jcheung#0000 side note 'profit' listed on this img is using ASK/BID where you buy from high and sell to low [16-Nov-24 06:12 AM] roche3950#0000 which makes sense [16-Nov-24 06:12 AM] jcheung#0000 shipping isn't that bad is it? 🤔 [16-Nov-24 06:13 AM] jcheung#0000 hmmm. okay, 756/d for pure dw [16-Nov-24 06:13 AM] laaxus#0000 it is if you don't have a 2k/2k [16-Nov-24 06:13 AM] jcheung#0000 942 on a FI world [16-Nov-24 06:13 AM] jcheung#0000 but at the same time [16-Nov-24 06:13 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1307317733569986631/image.png?ex=6814b704&is=68136584&hm=8b88df64fcbddd5104d3c04f1da3eda4d7f1d2a97a567d5c17457aecdac4de77& [16-Nov-24 06:13 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1307317738364207135/image.png?ex=6814b705&is=68136585&hm=90d433274caa0c7283974ce6ea09cb0a0ec6760dd5ab5e3b1d10b1337c90c49c& [16-Nov-24 06:13 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bnOwT.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/damn-damn-damn-damn-damn-right-dame-time-gif-18029769 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/XtAx5sJp79aKRlpd2w3hlAkXzD6GVUq9O3Y0KXTMhF8/https/media.tenor.com/T42cqp6YKEEAAAAe/damn-damn-damn-damn.png [16-Nov-24 06:14 AM] jcheung#0000 (this assumes that prices hold ofc, which they might not) [16-Nov-24 06:16 AM] roche3950#0000 you could flood the market with it [16-Nov-24 06:16 AM] roche3950#0000 … no pun intended :ssun: [16-Nov-24 06:16 AM] laaxus#0000 I need a 2k/2k ship [16-Nov-24 06:16 AM] laaxus#0000 but I don't want to spend 5M for one [16-Nov-24 06:16 AM] laaxus#0000 😭 [16-Nov-24 06:17 AM] roche3950#0000 updated to this ratio [16-Nov-24 06:18 AM] jcheung#0000 *thinks about zipatsu* {Reactions} ✌️ [16-Nov-24 06:18 AM] jcheung#0000 realistically though, pure DW on a FI COCG would handle.... [16-Nov-24 06:19 AM] jcheung#0000 roughly 10% of the daily CX volume [16-Nov-24 06:19 AM] laaxus#0000 though for a pure dw fi on norwick, you'd need a 2k/2k full time [16-Nov-24 06:20 AM] jcheung#0000 while consuming a quarter or so of the h2o volume [16-Nov-24 06:20 AM] laaxus#0000 it's more realistic to do it on phobos [16-Nov-24 06:20 AM] jcheung#0000 the... electronic world? [16-Nov-24 06:20 AM] laaxus#0000 yes [16-Nov-24 06:20 AM] laaxus#0000 it's viable [16-Nov-24 06:20 AM] jcheung#0000 at that point you may as well put the FP on the h20 extraction [16-Nov-24 06:20 AM] laaxus#0000 (currently) [16-Nov-24 06:20 AM] laaxus#0000 no [16-Nov-24 06:21 AM] laaxus#0000 because extracting h2o doesn't make that much money [16-Nov-24 06:21 AM] laaxus#0000 but if you buy it from zipatsu at cx price, then sure [16-Nov-24 06:24 AM] jcheung#0000 cuts shipping volume by a third [16-Nov-24 06:25 AM] jcheung#0000 well. also cuts consumption a fair bit too [16-Nov-24 06:29 AM] jcheung#0000 1 FI 5 ext actually not too bad on profit, surprisngly. not 165k/d mind you, but not bad {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1307321770528866365/image.png?ex=6814bac6&is=68136946&hm=0bb908c6c0ccf12e460722624740d9ad34c9f30b2e84ec8c06c80f91cc01622f& [16-Nov-24 06:30 AM] jcheung#0000 expensive to build though, at this location [16-Nov-24 06:31 AM] jcheung#0000 (yes, it runs at a population deficit) [16-Nov-24 06:34 AM] jcheung#0000 boucher is better, but is more HRT space-half cost and 87k/d [16-Nov-24 06:40 AM] laaxus#0000 I think the DW is slowly correcting {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1307324304228220999/image.png?ex=6814bd23&is=68136ba3&hm=0aa4ee1690e3e529d85a74ea1ac9133a4b0341561add0cb7fea60a97df979ae9& [16-Nov-24 06:41 AM] roche3950#0000 anyway; if my plan is agreeable i’ll get ready to send my first ship down to AI space? [16-Nov-24 06:42 AM] roche3950#0000 getting involved in some of the other projects here seems fun too, like the PPP [16-Nov-24 06:48 AM] jcheung#0000 ^^ link: https://prunplanner.org/shared/c7922ede-2036-46e1-acb5-aff1f4464c01 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/c7922ede-2036-46e1-acb5-aff1f4464c01 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [16-Nov-24 06:49 AM] jcheung#0000 eh, one last thing-add one expert to food industries-i kinda forgot the cap was 6 not 5 😄 [16-Nov-24 08:20 AM] jvaler#0000 ~~nono it is 5~~ [16-Nov-24 08:20 AM] jvaler#0000 OH misread [16-Nov-24 08:21 AM] jvaler#0000 sry [16-Nov-24 08:21 AM] roche3950#0000 anyway, didn’t mean for this all to get so babysat 😓 [16-Nov-24 08:21 AM] roche3950#0000 though I do appreciate the tips. [16-Nov-24 08:22 AM] jcheung#0000 take as much or as little advice as you want [16-Nov-24 08:23 AM] jvaler#0000 it's what we're here for [16-Nov-24 08:24 AM] roche3950#0000 🙂 [16-Nov-24 08:24 AM] roche3950#0000 it was so much easier 2 years ago on promitor hahahaha [16-Nov-24 08:25 AM] roche3950#0000 but we have better tools now, build better bases. [16-Nov-24 08:25 AM] jcheung#0000 ~~well actually you serve a double function of being a piggy bank~~ [16-Nov-24 08:25 AM] jcheung#0000 market conditions are probably a little different as well compared to 2 years ago [16-Nov-24 08:25 AM] roche3950#0000 indeed [16-Nov-24 08:28 AM] roche3950#0000 adjusting ratios a bit more as I think 12/8 is causing it to go -ve on plant products [16-Nov-24 08:30 AM] jcheung#0000 can spend hours doing that 😉 [16-Nov-24 08:30 AM] roche3950#0000 I used to love playing the Anno games, believe you me I am familiar 😄 [16-Nov-24 08:30 AM] jcheung#0000 this one runs positive on all produced goods, but also makes a lot of DW and not much RAT [16-Nov-24 08:32 AM] jcheung#0000 though, again, you're welcome to tweak things in other ways 😄 [16-Nov-24 08:44 AM] roche3950#0000 also, you know what, I missed your ratios earlier [16-Nov-24 08:44 AM] roche3950#0000 for the 12/8 schematic [16-Nov-24 08:46 AM] jcheung#0000 okay, also, probably unpopular option, but is another option to consider. can build out the original 500 area base with 13 FRM, then add a permit to give you 16 FP 77k/d in around 60/120 days you can decommission the FPs and extra HB1's for very little cost and drop back down to 1 permit {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1307356070213320754/image.png?ex=6814dab8&is=68138938&hm=f3b8e608618e709a3840b06eb96332c4fd1223365c7a65f104ecd7cb75521ede& [16-Nov-24 08:46 AM] jvaler#0000 yes of course [16-Nov-24 08:46 AM] jvaler#0000 please, take my money [16-Nov-24 08:46 AM] jcheung#0000 this is generally considered a *short term* option [16-Nov-24 08:47 AM] jcheung#0000 as permits are extremely expensive later on-but not when you're starting out [16-Nov-24 08:47 AM] roche3950#0000 I think I'm going to stick with 12/8 and a balance of experts to keep imports to H2O, OVE, and the luxuries [16-Nov-24 08:48 AM] jcheung#0000 derp i messed up the experts again.... [16-Nov-24 08:48 AM] roche3950#0000 https://prunplanner.org/plan/ZV-896b/9d11e100-0899-40aa-b0f1-f88484610d7c as follows {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/plan/ZV-896b/9d11e100-0899-40aa-b0f1-f88484610d7c PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [16-Nov-24 08:48 AM] jcheung#0000 well the spare expert can go into agri 😂 [16-Nov-24 08:49 AM] jcheung#0000 not loading for me for whatever reason. just checking, it's saved? [16-Nov-24 08:50 AM] roche3950#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1307357065487978567/image.png?ex=6814dba5&is=68138a25&hm=be2278b7f95a6dbf184dd28d89de8386859dc7cbee3c453c4b990e300c87e883& {Reactions} 👍 [16-Nov-24 08:51 AM] realharvey#0000 It works even without a storage. Looks good to me. Shipping looks also quite light. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1307357485996445768/image.png?ex=6814dc0a&is=68138a8a&hm=003d58dcd937a56616af37f2af33e4c6f32d3d303c4c4cbc9011275ab463f6f4& [16-Nov-24 09:04 PM] roche3950#0000 so -- is a grantable concept here? otherwise, what else should be done? happy to help the wider team here [16-Nov-24 09:07 PM] tanda#0000 There is no issue with the base, just need a sponsor to step in [16-Nov-24 09:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok [16-Nov-24 09:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I gotchu [16-Nov-24 09:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I’ll send you the CONT here soon [16-Nov-24 09:09 PM] roche3950#0000 apprec! [16-Nov-24 09:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ok sent [16-Nov-24 09:13 PM] roche3950#0000 thanks. [16-Nov-24 09:13 PM] roche3950#0000 looking forward to working together 😄 [16-Nov-24 09:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ok you can terminate it now [16-Nov-24 09:15 PM] roche3950#0000 only because you requested it 😉 [16-Nov-24 09:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I don't need the FF or SF where ever i requested [16-Nov-24 09:16 PM] roche3950#0000 I'm gonna need it coming from NC space :Shibalaugh: [16-Nov-24 09:16 PM] roche3950#0000 on a minimum burn it's 80% of the fuel tank, hard burn 97% lol [16-Nov-24 09:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 😂 [16-Nov-24 09:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you could come empty and buy from ANT CX [16-Nov-24 09:17 PM] roche3950#0000 yeah, i know [16-Nov-24 09:17 PM] roche3950#0000 ^^ [18-Nov-24 06:57 AM] jcheung#0000 Yeah, that ship probably isn't going back up to MOR anytime in the near future: D [23-Nov-24 11:28 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 @earthforged [23-Nov-24 11:28 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 This the channel to apply for the grant [23-Nov-24 11:29 PM] earthforged#0000 ok, so i need to reset and move i think... [23-Nov-24 11:29 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 Make sure you read the info channel [23-Nov-24 11:29 PM] earthforged#0000 ok, doing now [23-Nov-24 11:30 PM] earthforged#0000 server info? [23-Nov-24 11:30 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 Agp information [23-Nov-24 11:30 PM] earthforged#0000 gotcha, doing now [23-Nov-24 11:31 PM] tanda#0000 Get your base planned out on PrunPlanner and posted in here before you reset. That way you're not just waiting [23-Nov-24 11:31 PM] earthforged#0000 ok, is a metals processer in itself useful? i havent studied game past that yet [23-Nov-24 11:32 PM] tanda#0000 It's a building block. All metals get moved into processing in either Construction or higher metallurgy, or used in ship building. AL is a very versatile metal that does a lot of things [23-Nov-24 11:33 PM] tanda#0000 a full SME base on Deimos isn't going to have you rolling in the dough, but there will be a constant demand for your product [23-Nov-24 11:34 PM] astra1414#0000 you get a 65% bonus to being cool when you pick antares too [23-Nov-24 11:36 PM] earthforged#0000 even in my RL business i tend to choose steady cash flow over mountains of instant money. And a metals base seems it would give me a 2 road path [23-Nov-24 11:37 PM] finestone#0000 I would reccommend consumbles then. [23-Nov-24 11:37 PM] earthforged#0000 i can either keep growing it with more bases, adding in mining more things ...or use my metals as a component in future base builds [23-Nov-24 11:37 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah, that's a pretty solid suggestion. Real question is what theme you want for your company [23-Nov-24 11:37 PM] earthforged#0000 Ok, i have to bring real life in for a second [23-Nov-24 11:38 PM] finestone#0000 RAT or AL both good [23-Nov-24 11:38 PM] astra1414#0000 if you are interested in doing AL on deimos you can ship to nike to make bfabs which is pretty decent early on, but consumables are probably more steady/stable. either or [23-Nov-24 11:39 PM] earthforged#0000 in real life i own earthforged rock shop. i get to real life mine, i import minerals and crystals from all over the world..and have an actual crafting room i can cut and shape stone into jewelry and such [23-Nov-24 11:39 PM] earthforged#0000 i love to mine things and i love importinf routes [23-Nov-24 11:40 PM] earthforged#0000 so my theme right now i was looking at being a in game supplyer of materials to producers [23-Nov-24 11:40 PM] finestone#0000 The only problem with pure EXT early is the shipping cost. Ores are heavy [23-Nov-24 11:41 PM] finestone#0000 Eventually that is certainly doable. there are alot of planets that have minerals, gases, and ores that people want. [23-Nov-24 11:41 PM] shinonomesciences#0000 There’s a WCB deal for new players on the other discord, but that’ll eat up most of the grant [23-Nov-24 11:41 PM] finestone#0000 but you will need more ships and ships are millions [23-Nov-24 11:42 PM] finestone#0000 I recommend building a full 500 base that has less than 200 daily import export with the grant [23-Nov-24 11:43 PM] astra1414#0000 i think the most important thing to remember is you aren't really ever locked into one specific thing, you can always swap and change into other industries as you need and do other things. so even if you don't get to do what you really want at the start, which im not saying you can't do, but, there are probably more ideal options that'll lead better into doing what you want more comfortably later on {Reactions} 👆 [23-Nov-24 11:43 PM] finestone#0000 yepp just need a good solid money making base then expand into what your want to do as your grow [23-Nov-24 11:43 PM] earthforged#0000 ok, so i need advice on what to study or build to grow into that direction [23-Nov-24 11:44 PM] astra1414#0000 consumables, like rat for example, are a good starting point for steady and consistent income [23-Nov-24 11:44 PM] astra1414#0000 or you can do extraction into metallurgy into construction [23-Nov-24 11:44 PM] earthforged#0000 i want the second so i can at least mine and smelt [23-Nov-24 11:45 PM] astra1414#0000 well deimos has alo, you can extract that and smelt it into AL on planet and then ship that al to nike to produce bfabs [23-Nov-24 11:45 PM] finestone#0000 I would just sell the AL [23-Nov-24 11:46 PM] astra1414#0000 at first, you'd be better off, i dont think the grant would cover the al base along with the nike base, but as a short/mid term goal for that you'd probably want to ship the al into bfabs [23-Nov-24 11:47 PM] earthforged#0000 so, o and c are always on the market? or do i need to produce either on the side? [23-Nov-24 11:47 PM] finestone#0000 I havnt run numbers on Bfabs honestly but i have heard they are not in a great spot comapred to MM [23-Nov-24 11:48 PM] astra1414#0000 they should always be on the market, C will be your biggest expense more than likely [23-Nov-24 11:48 PM] astra1414#0000 it's been a while since i've played but the price for C fluctuated quite a bit [23-Nov-24 11:48 PM] finestone#0000 They are both available however C has been struggling to stay consistent lately i would reccomened buying from internal members such as @tanda or @.urpalhal or @pxlfox. {Reactions} 👍 [23-Nov-24 11:49 PM] finestone#0000 O has been pretty good on the market lately [23-Nov-24 11:49 PM] astra1414#0000 someone may even sell alo too at a fixed price [23-Nov-24 11:50 PM] astra1414#0000 havent really heard that one before but it has been some months since i've played so perhaps? last i remember it was pretty good consistent profit [23-Nov-24 11:51 PM] earthforged#0000 ok, im going to go reset my account and get my toon moved. Then ill lay out the base [23-Nov-24 11:51 PM] astra1414#0000 welcome to antares officially (assuming you are coliqing from elsewhere)!! [23-Nov-24 11:52 PM] finestone#0000 Plan your base in PruPlanner first so you pick the right starter planet [23-Nov-24 11:52 PM] astra1414#0000 ^ if you haven't gone through prunplanner yet, i'd get familiar with it [23-Nov-24 11:52 PM] astra1414#0000 you'll use it a lot in the future [23-Nov-24 11:52 PM] earthforged#0000 oh, i was suggested Deimos a couple times [23-Nov-24 11:52 PM] astra1414#0000 you should probably have a look around for yourself though {Reactions} 👆 [23-Nov-24 11:52 PM] astra1414#0000 learning the ui of prunplanner and also exploring your options is never a bad idea [23-Nov-24 11:53 PM] earthforged#0000 truth [23-Nov-24 11:53 PM] astra1414#0000 and you may find something else you want, or you may have questions [23-Nov-24 11:55 PM] tanda#0000 Bfabs are actually in a better state these days. The MM cap on them was raised, not lowered [23-Nov-24 11:55 PM] tanda#0000 so you can actually make more money from them. Again, stepping stones not dough makers [23-Nov-24 11:57 PM] earthforged#0000 does prunplanner show bonuses, like the chamber of commerce one? [23-Nov-24 11:57 PM] astra1414#0000 you can make it show them yes [23-Nov-24 11:57 PM] earthforged#0000 im looking now [23-Nov-24 11:57 PM] astra1414#0000 everything's toggleable [24-Nov-24 12:00 AM] tanda#0000 It does it for planets that are known to have it [24-Nov-24 12:00 AM] tanda#0000 so if you select Deimos it will show it with the metallurgy COGC by default [24-Nov-24 12:43 AM] evov#0000 Hello friend 🙂 - I'll buy all the AL you can produce. In fairness, the same is probably true for everything that comes out of a smelter. [24-Nov-24 12:45 AM] earthforged#0000 howdy. Im trying to figure out Pruplanner but honestly im ready to jump in, restart and get back going lol [24-Nov-24 01:58 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Feel free to ask questions about anything that is unclear in PrUnPlanner ☺️ [25-Nov-24 06:01 PM] earthforged#0000 ok. i keep growing on my old account lol, its taking me some time to set up prunplanner [25-Nov-24 06:13 PM] earthforged#0000 but i,m getting there [25-Nov-24 06:14 PM] earthforged#0000 i dont mind moving, i just dont want to get there and not qualify for help. then im just starting over [25-Nov-24 06:17 PM] tanda#0000 You 100% qualify for help. The only reason we want a planner is to help steer you away from early game pitfalls [25-Nov-24 06:41 PM] earthforged#0000 ok i think i will go the other route then. ill go ahead and restart..then ill work on planner as i can [25-Nov-24 06:42 PM] tanda#0000 What's holding you up with prun planner? Is it unclear how to use? [25-Nov-24 06:44 PM] earthforged#0000 i run a rl business, have 4 kids at home, i just havent had the focus time. i installed it and played with it a bit. im working on it. i promis lol [25-Nov-24 06:44 PM] earthforged#0000 im at faction choice [25-Nov-24 06:44 PM] tanda#0000 No worries, there are videos regarding how to use PRUN planner. Just wanted to give you the information you may need [25-Nov-24 06:45 PM] earthforged#0000 so i want antares Initiuative for faction [25-Nov-24 06:46 PM] earthforged#0000 i will look up some videos just as soon as i finish restarting [25-Nov-24 06:47 PM] earthforged#0000 any planet suggestion ..going thru them now [25-Nov-24 06:48 PM] tanda#0000 For metallurgy: Deimos. [25-Nov-24 06:48 PM] tanda#0000 Phobos is a trap, and Harmonia is for farming [25-Nov-24 06:50 PM] earthforged#0000 ok..restarted Earthforged EFM [25-Nov-24 06:51 PM] earthforged#0000 edited here [25-Nov-24 06:51 PM] jvaler#0000 ty, fixed ur nickname [25-Nov-24 06:52 PM] earthforged#0000 EFM was better..EarthForged Minerals, but it wouldnt let me have it first time [25-Nov-24 06:52 PM] tanda#0000 perhaps the account using it finally got wiped [25-Nov-24 06:52 PM] earthforged#0000 i was about to buy my third house [25-Nov-24 06:53 PM] earthforged#0000 ok gotta go do the tutorial again. be back [25-Nov-24 07:05 PM] earthforged#0000 ok ,gotta run to grocery store with my better half. Soon as we get back ill work on setting up my base in the plnner so i can apply for the starter money [25-Nov-24 07:06 PM] earthforged#0000 started same EXT and SME {Reactions} 👍 [25-Nov-24 07:07 PM] earthforged#0000 it really does help that it a grant not a loan. loans are tough on starter businesses [25-Nov-24 07:13 PM] earthforged#0000 whatvi dont know is how to set up mining other things in other places so im guessing..ill research more when i get home..i will mine aluminum..but have more smeltors for other resources. will have to buy other ores for now i assume. [25-Nov-24 07:14 PM] earthforged#0000 havent learned a lot past whats available tonme locally [25-Nov-24 08:44 PM] earthforged#0000 Should i plan to make my own C and O? [25-Nov-24 08:47 PM] tanda#0000 you should probably plan to make your own C, but not your own O [25-Nov-24 08:48 PM] tanda#0000 but those should not be on Deimos [25-Nov-24 08:48 PM] earthforged#0000 oh so not on base 1 [25-Nov-24 08:49 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah, that should be base 2 and 3. You can grow and burn on Harmonia for base 2 and then move the INC to Nascent for base 3 [25-Nov-24 08:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 maybe make your own O, but like much later [25-Nov-24 08:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 base like 10 maybe [25-Nov-24 08:59 PM] earthforged#0000 ok. i dont really know what to do past mining and dmeltibg for now. [25-Nov-24 09:00 PM] earthforged#0000 im assuming aluminum is the only thing i can mine..i didnt get a chance to look [25-Nov-24 09:00 PM] earthforged#0000 does anyone regularly bring back an ore they need smelted? [25-Nov-24 09:01 PM] earthforged#0000 is it 6 experts per base? [25-Nov-24 09:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 6 total across all industries [25-Nov-24 09:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But 5 max in one industry [25-Nov-24 09:06 PM] earthforged#0000 oh [25-Nov-24 09:07 PM] earthforged#0000 do they stack? [25-Nov-24 09:12 PM] earthforged#0000 ill look em up. almost home [25-Nov-24 09:13 PM] earthforged#0000 anything else i want to think about before i build? [25-Nov-24 09:13 PM] jvaler#0000 yes, very well. the jump from 4 -> 5 experts is the most impactful you can find the numbers in the handbook, it should be under the "efficiency factors" section [25-Nov-24 09:14 PM] jcheung#0000 really? [25-Nov-24 09:14 PM] jcheung#0000 huh. i thought they were flat this whole time [25-Nov-24 09:14 PM] earthforged#0000 im going to make a small assumption that there will be ores priced well enough to smelt and profit? [25-Nov-24 09:15 PM] jcheung#0000 ...granted you probably get 1-4 in the time it takes 4->5 [25-Nov-24 09:16 PM] earthforged#0000 any other advixe? [25-Nov-24 09:18 PM] archielvahr#0000 Lots of people here would be happy to buy all your metal locally, if you ever want to sell some without shipping it. Ore shouldn't be too costly generally. [25-Nov-24 09:18 PM] earthforged#0000 advice [25-Nov-24 09:18 PM] jcheung#0000 question. are you free license right now? [25-Nov-24 09:18 PM] earthforged#0000 before i lay out basr no pro [25-Nov-24 09:19 PM] jcheung#0000 ok, cool [25-Nov-24 09:19 PM] jcheung#0000 lay out the base and share it, then there will probably be another round of feedback on the base itself [25-Nov-24 09:45 PM] earthforged#0000 alright, finally home, doing now [25-Nov-24 09:56 PM] earthforged#0000 its a lot more expensive on fuel to fly to market. [25-Nov-24 09:59 PM] earthforged#0000 but its all good [25-Nov-24 10:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 to deimos than from phobos? [25-Nov-24 10:14 PM] tanda#0000 probably from Montem [25-Nov-24 10:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ohhh [25-Nov-24 10:19 PM] earthforged#0000 ok im really just mostly setting up smelters for first base...im comparing ore prices to finished sell prices [25-Nov-24 10:20 PM] earthforged#0000 im sure in time i will do other things but i will have to study things i can do [25-Nov-24 10:21 PM] earthforged#0000 mining different things thru the universe will be my fun [25-Nov-24 10:22 PM] earthforged#0000 where does flux come from [25-Nov-24 10:22 PM] jcheung#0000 ~~the supermarket~~ [25-Nov-24 10:22 PM] tanda#0000 Chemicals plants processing Limestone [25-Nov-24 10:22 PM] tanda#0000 LST>CHP [25-Nov-24 10:23 PM] earthforged#0000 hmmm do i have limestone [25-Nov-24 10:24 PM] earthforged#0000 flux gives extra output on some ores [25-Nov-24 10:25 PM] tanda#0000 you don't right now. It is best to buy for a while. When I first expanded to Nike and started running PP2's over there, I also ran like 2 CHPs out there just making LST into FLX [25-Nov-24 10:25 PM] tanda#0000 it's a good 4th expansion [25-Nov-24 10:27 PM] earthforged#0000 i get you .buy i have to lay out base 1 without really knowing where im eventually going with other bases...im studying smelting right now [25-Nov-24 10:29 PM] earthforged#0000 to start im just going to put up a couple aluminum mines and a bunch of smelters and play the commoditoes game [25-Nov-24 10:29 PM] earthforged#0000 commodities [25-Nov-24 10:34 PM] earthforged#0000 7 HB1 4EXT and 8SME is what i would start with [25-Nov-24 10:35 PM] earthforged#0000 that uses 331 of 500 spaces [25-Nov-24 10:37 PM] earthforged#0000 do i need to do more? [25-Nov-24 10:38 PM] jcheung#0000 buying flx at market is usually worth it [25-Nov-24 10:38 PM] earthforged#0000 i need time to work with people and make contracts to supply [25-Nov-24 10:38 PM] jcheung#0000 i would add at least one STO, maybe two [25-Nov-24 10:38 PM] jcheung#0000 and then i would also try to fill out all 500 spots [25-Nov-24 10:38 PM] earthforged#0000 oh yes ok.. let me add [25-Nov-24 10:39 PM] earthforged#0000 i want to save cash for buy orders and such for ores [25-Nov-24 10:40 PM] jcheung#0000 reducing the amount of ores you consume is pretty useful too [25-Nov-24 10:40 PM] earthforged#0000 how much space does sto add [25-Nov-24 10:41 PM] jcheung#0000 5k [25-Nov-24 10:41 PM] jcheung#0000 one is mandatory for SME bases. two is a great stress reducer [25-Nov-24 10:41 PM] earthforged#0000 ok added 4 [25-Nov-24 10:41 PM] earthforged#0000 and 2 more sme [25-Nov-24 10:42 PM] earthforged#0000 that leaves me 75 spaced [25-Nov-24 10:42 PM] earthforged#0000 w ait [25-Nov-24 10:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 no just 2 STO [25-Nov-24 10:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 anymore isn't really worth [25-Nov-24 10:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 since they don't make you money [25-Nov-24 10:44 PM] earthforged#0000 8HB1..2STO..4EXT..10SME. leaves 95 spaces [25-Nov-24 10:47 PM] earthforged#0000 i can fill out SMEs and keep them churning..but if i randomly buy to much ores will go up in price [25-Nov-24 10:47 PM] earthforged#0000 i need time to work out contracts [25-Nov-24 10:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Do 9HB1 2STO 5EXT and 12SME? leaves 26 space [25-Nov-24 10:48 PM] earthforged#0000 right on.. [25-Nov-24 10:48 PM] earthforged#0000 then upgrade hq..bigger ships and grow [25-Nov-24 10:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 exactly [25-Nov-24 10:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well your second base's permit is free [25-Nov-24 10:49 PM] earthforged#0000 upgrading hq gives me mettalurgy bonuses [25-Nov-24 10:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh yeah it can [25-Nov-24 10:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well if you are happy with that plan. I am happy to give you a grant [25-Nov-24 10:54 PM] earthforged#0000 i am. im ready to wheel and deal and make some contracts for those that need [25-Nov-24 10:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ok sent the cont [25-Nov-24 10:57 PM] earthforged#0000 its going to take a LOT of flying to get that built lol [25-Nov-24 10:58 PM] jcheung#0000 you up in MOR? [25-Nov-24 10:59 PM] earthforged#0000 oh...no i moved [25-Nov-24 10:59 PM] jcheung#0000 didn't think so [25-Nov-24 10:59 PM] jcheung#0000 you get electronics down here, the worthless thing 😛 [25-Nov-24 10:59 PM] earthforged#0000 i lost the bonus? [25-Nov-24 10:59 PM] earthforged#0000 oh. oh well. dang [25-Nov-24 11:00 PM] earthforged#0000 do i need to deliver the 1 unit of fuel? [25-Nov-24 11:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 no [25-Nov-24 11:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 hence its at bober [25-Nov-24 11:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 just terminate the CONT [25-Nov-24 11:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 🙂 [25-Nov-24 11:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 best part is I'm using phobos [25-Nov-24 11:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but not for electronics [25-Nov-24 11:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh I sell building materials cheaper than what is listed on the CX if you want or need and I could help you get BBH,BTA,BSE, and BDE to Deimos [25-Nov-24 11:14 PM] earthforged#0000 alright..when i get up in the morning ill make the list {Reactions} 🫡 [25-Nov-24 11:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and I can take those to Deimos at no cost bc I'll be taking some stuff there tomorrow anyways [25-Nov-24 11:15 PM] earthforged#0000 ok..you see the list of what im building [25-Nov-24 11:16 PM] earthforged#0000 i can do the math if you need. give me a few [25-Nov-24 11:16 PM] jcheung#0000 are you using prunplanner by any chance? [25-Nov-24 11:16 PM] earthforged#0000 yes [25-Nov-24 11:16 PM] jcheung#0000 it does the math for you [25-Nov-24 11:16 PM] jcheung#0000 construction cart [25-Nov-24 11:17 PM] earthforged#0000 ok. let me look [25-Nov-24 11:19 PM] earthforged#0000 how do i see it [25-Nov-24 11:20 PM] jcheung#0000 above infrastructure [25-Nov-24 11:20 PM] jcheung#0000 are you mobile or desktop? [25-Nov-24 11:20 PM] jcheung#0000 assuming desktop because you're in lowercase [25-Nov-24 11:21 PM] earthforged#0000 desktop [25-Nov-24 11:21 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1310837781794259085/image.png?ex=6814ff11&is=6813ad91&hm=56ba93f88efb941abe14d3df3fbeece02fc25405c2bed5637946e1ff793f69ab& [25-Nov-24 11:22 PM] earthforged#0000 ok i filled all that in [25-Nov-24 11:22 PM] jcheung#0000 it should tell you what materials you need to build it all [25-Nov-24 11:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 BBH 1500/u BDE 1400/u BSE 1000/u BTA 1000/u [25-Nov-24 11:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 for pricing reference if you were curious [25-Nov-24 11:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 also found in #internal-offers [25-Nov-24 11:31 PM] earthforged#0000 ok. long as my math is right [25-Nov-24 11:31 PM] earthforged#0000 MGC 1488 BSE148 BBH84 BDE70 BTA7 [25-Nov-24 11:35 PM] earthforged#0000 BSE 148000 BBH126000 BDE98000 BTA7000 [25-Nov-24 11:35 PM] earthforged#0000 381000 not counting MCG [25-Nov-24 11:44 PM] jcheung#0000 Could use google sheets or excel (or libreoffice calc) to help you do math [26-Nov-24 12:07 AM] earthforged#0000 im sure its right [26-Nov-24 08:53 AM] earthforged#0000 so which channel to work out trade deals? [26-Nov-24 08:55 AM] earthforged#0000 im going to stick with base 1 for now while i get the machine working [26-Nov-24 09:08 AM] realharvey#0000 You can have a look at #internal-requests . In this channel people post what they are looking for. But you could also just ask in #trading if someone is looking for a steady supplier [26-Nov-24 09:26 AM] jvaler#0000 for *working out* trade deals, use #trading for just advertising what you're looking for use the other channels [26-Nov-24 10:13 AM] earthforged#0000 im going ahead and buying a bunch on market. whenever you are about ill give you a list of whats left [26-Nov-24 11:27 AM] iwooden#0000 Any feedback on this plan? https://prunplanner.org/shared/13b702b9-29db-4469-9035-3a33433bad76 Sticking with my metallurgist start for now rather than branching out. It's not as profitable as just stacking 20x SME, but trying to bring down the amount of inputs I have to ship in per day (although building RIGs for the H20 just doesn't seem worth it) {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/13b702b9-29db-4469-9035-3a33433bad76 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [26-Nov-24 11:28 AM] laaxus#0000 I honestly would just stick to 20 sme [26-Nov-24 11:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I would at least drop the INC and FRM [26-Nov-24 11:29 AM] laaxus#0000 @evov might buy your whole production on site [26-Nov-24 11:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 With plans to drop the rest of the EXT and COL eventually [26-Nov-24 11:29 AM] iwooden#0000 Okay yeah, I see C being sold on the LM for a decent price so I can probably drop those [26-Nov-24 11:30 AM] laaxus#0000 I would never have col [26-Nov-24 11:30 AM] laaxus#0000 ext + sme is acceptable [26-Nov-24 11:30 AM] .urpalhal#0000 O is slightly lighter than ALO is [26-Nov-24 11:31 AM] .urpalhal#0000 For what it’s worth [26-Nov-24 11:31 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Anywho the most valuable things you will produce will come from your SME [26-Nov-24 11:31 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Bc those get boosted the most by the efficiency effects [26-Nov-24 11:37 AM] jcheung#0000 splitting your experts 3 ways is a bad idea, not to mention how poor the yield of O is {Reactions} ✅ (2) [26-Nov-24 11:37 AM] jcheung#0000 (though you only assigned 2 of the metallurgy ones) [26-Nov-24 11:42 AM] .urpalhal#0000 It is a good start ☺️ [26-Nov-24 11:42 AM] iwooden#0000 Yeah I only start with the 2 in metallurgy, looks like I get another one in ~2 months if I'm reading the docs correctly [26-Nov-24 11:43 AM] jcheung#0000 no, you should have all 5 in 2 months with a full metallurgy base {Reactions} 👆 [26-Nov-24 11:43 AM] jcheung#0000 maybe like a month and a half [26-Nov-24 11:43 AM] iwooden#0000 Let me do some hill-climbing optimization real quick on the EXT/SME ratio to minimize idle pioneers real quick lol [26-Nov-24 11:43 AM] iwooden#0000 Oh whoa, really? I was going off the table in https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/index.html {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/index.html Efficiency factors :: Prosperous Universe Handbook Prosperous Universe Wiki [26-Nov-24 11:43 AM] jcheung#0000 using the auto-housing option in prunplanner is nice [26-Nov-24 11:44 AM] jcheung#0000 pain in the butt if you want to run at a slight deficit though [26-Nov-24 11:44 AM] iwooden#0000 I use that yeah, but my current understanding is that if you're using, say, 940/1000 pioneers, the "idle" workers still consume basic resources, right? [26-Nov-24 11:44 AM] .urpalhal#0000 No [26-Nov-24 11:45 AM] iwooden#0000 Ohooo nice, alright. Guess they have to fend for their own food if they're not on the smelting line, then [26-Nov-24 11:45 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Er well [26-Nov-24 11:45 AM] jcheung#0000 if you have one single building [26-Nov-24 11:45 AM] jvaler#0000 only the amount that can actually be employed will show up/be assigned to you {Reactions} 👍 [26-Nov-24 11:45 AM] jcheung#0000 you're not gonna have one single SME are you? [26-Nov-24 11:45 AM] jvaler#0000 so there are no idle workers [26-Nov-24 11:45 AM] iwooden#0000 Yeah I was just thinking that, now it makes sense [26-Nov-24 11:47 AM] jcheung#0000 re PIO you do kinda want to minimize open slots, but only because housing costs resources and base space [26-Nov-24 11:47 AM] iwooden#0000 Just updated the plan, up to 14 SME with the difference made up by EXTs, though I can be convinced to just go 20 SME and do more shipping [26-Nov-24 11:47 AM] jcheung#0000 starting off exts are not a bad idea [26-Nov-24 11:47 AM] iwooden#0000 Think the link should just refer to the updated version if I saved it right [26-Nov-24 11:47 AM] iwooden#0000 Thanks, that clarifies things [26-Nov-24 11:49 AM] iwooden#0000 ...and bumped up the metallurgist expert count to 5, more accurate for the long-term [26-Nov-24 11:51 AM] iwooden#0000 A competing plan I had was to just make basic consumables: https://prunplanner.org/shared/8bb46228-1841-424a-b39d-03d55118b31d , but I like the "flavor" of being a smelting magnate more lol {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/8bb46228-1841-424a-b39d-03d55118b31d PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [26-Nov-24 12:10 PM] iwooden#0000 In any case, let me know if there's more work I should do to apply for the grant program - I'm also fine if the answer is just "give it a week or two" considering I started yesterday. 😉 Appreciate y'all taking the time to look at the plans! [26-Nov-24 12:11 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I started as on Deimos with a mixed EXT/SME base. It was more profitable, when I started, to produce the ALO youself, then importing it. {Reactions} 👍 [26-Nov-24 12:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The 14 SME deal with some EXT? [26-Nov-24 12:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Sure {Reactions} ❤️ [26-Nov-24 12:12 PM] pxlfox.#0000 The best way to check how your setup compares to other ones (at least in the beginning, before you understand more deeply why), is to create multiple plans in PrunPlanner and compare the profit/day and ROI values. [26-Nov-24 12:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can’t send a CONT for the grant rn tho [26-Nov-24 12:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So if someone else can rn that’s fine or I can later [26-Nov-24 12:18 PM] jvaler#0000 i thought they said they're not PRO yet? {Reactions} RSZeroShrugIDK [26-Nov-24 12:18 PM] jvaler#0000 oh no they're pending rating okay [26-Nov-24 12:19 PM] jvaler#0000 @iwooden sending you the grant [26-Nov-24 12:21 PM] iwooden#0000 Awesome, thank you so much! [26-Nov-24 12:39 PM] astra1414#0000 welcome to antares! {Reactions} 🎉 [04-Dec-24 07:26 AM] finestone#0000 @bluesnakelw make sure to check out the AGP info. [19-Dec-24 05:01 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 Hello, I started a manufacturing company on phobos 22 days ago, currently have a pp mk1, smelter that makes silicon, extractor and a bmp. I'm currently getting money for an electronics device manufacturing to start making multi purpose scanners. Could use free money and some guidance 🙏 {Reactions} x_obiwan [19-Dec-24 08:13 AM] finestone#0000 have you used Prun Planner? [19-Dec-24 08:31 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 no because im playing this with a friend thats better at this stuff, refuses to buy a license and get a grant and does all the spreadsheet stuff manually [19-Dec-24 08:42 AM] finestone#0000 Nothing wrong with doing the spreadsheets manually i would check out Prun Planner tho very helpful in testing out your base builds and sharing. [19-Dec-24 08:43 AM] finestone#0000 As far as SCN goes its a good one CU could be a problem though [19-Dec-24 08:43 AM] finestone#0000 Phobos is a ELE planet so in the long run you would want to move your manufactoring and mettalurgy to respective planets [19-Dec-24 08:49 AM] finestone#0000 Mining the SIO is fine dont mine FEO as its not worth it on that planet (negative returns). A good question is which SI recipe are you using? [19-Dec-24 08:50 AM] finestone#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1319315981876858900/image.png?ex=6814dbc1&is=68138a41&hm=3d3821f1e09d29d72bb619389da68cc58b27b58e25db9fe63cd897609499da71& [19-Dec-24 08:51 AM] finestone#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1319316068023537775/image.png?ex=6814dbd6&is=68138a56&hm=58f9fb11228208ae53e410a4b0622a2523050fa7300ae0350d09dbae56f09700& [19-Dec-24 08:51 AM] finestone#0000 The 2nd picture is on a metallurgy planet with experts you can see how much of a difference it makes! Hence why smelting on phobos is not ideal. [19-Dec-24 08:58 AM] finestone#0000 These pictures are from prun planner which is another reason i reccomend checking it out! [19-Dec-24 10:06 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 yeah its about time i get to checking it out [19-Dec-24 10:10 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 im using the alluminum recipe [19-Dec-24 10:12 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 but it would be acceptable for a starting base right ? or have i just started off wrong [19-Dec-24 10:13 AM] finestone#0000 As long as your making money which picture 1 shows you are then you havnt made a mistake [19-Dec-24 10:14 AM] finestone#0000 Simply about optimatizion moving forward and with an AGP grant you should have enough funds to create a somewhat optimitzed base [19-Dec-24 10:17 AM] finestone#0000 For metallurgy i would recommend Deimos, Manufacturing: Hephaestus Construction either Nike or Aceland [19-Dec-24 10:18 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 i guess thats right lol [19-Dec-24 10:18 AM] finestone#0000 If you want to full build phobos off COGC that is fine too in the short term I think FP making DW is actually quite profitibale atm. [19-Dec-24 10:19 AM] finestone#0000 At the end of the day you just need to present a profitable plan to a grant giver [19-Dec-24 10:19 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 i see [19-Dec-24 10:20 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 definitely not qualified to planning out how to spend a million [19-Dec-24 10:21 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 think you could help me pull a plan together? [19-Dec-24 10:21 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 or give me a better idea of how it would look like, if i wanted to do ele on phobos and metallurgy on deimos [19-Dec-24 10:22 AM] finestone#0000 I think you would suprise yourself with Prun Planner. Planet search > Phobos > Create Base > Add the buildings and infrastructure to create a full 500/500 base [19-Dec-24 10:23 AM] finestone#0000 then click the share link and post in here. from there i can help you. [19-Dec-24 10:23 AM] finestone#0000 https://prunplanner.org/search {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/search PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [19-Dec-24 10:23 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 oh yeah, will do. thanks a lot 🙏 [19-Dec-24 10:24 AM] realharvey#0000 learning to plan a base is a key skill that you need. We can give some guidance, but we want people to follow their own plans and develop their own skills {Reactions} 👆 [19-Dec-24 10:25 AM] finestone#0000 Here is an example of a full 500/500 deimos base [19-Dec-24 10:25 AM] finestone#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/409e809b-232b-4b4f-9321-80416b030680 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/409e809b-232b-4b4f-9321-80416b030680 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [19-Dec-24 10:31 AM] tanda#0000 Someone link Lord's video? I find it answers most prun planner questions [19-Dec-24 10:33 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 Thanks for the advice, I'll mess around with the planner and see what I can come up with [19-Dec-24 10:33 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 The example base is very helpful, appreciate it 🙏 [19-Dec-24 02:00 PM] jvaler#0000 #prun-resources https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-i6rLZMaQ @8082i4gor {Embed} Lord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-i6rLZMaQ How to use Prunplanner for Prosperous Universe Hopefully this video helps you understand how to set up Prunplanner, if you have any questions please leave them below --Links-- The official Prosp discord https://discord.gg/YkwpJ2hdDE Link to Prunplanner https://prunplanner.org/ Background audio used https://youtu.be/EM5KwkTQzsE Ending music from Sweet Cafe https://youtu.be/6DhONAQfEVg https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DSq6GXwpy1FwDBpBlIBMy2TpSSXULzOp4ckXQXPKUp0/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/Vi-i6rLZMaQ/maxresdefault.jpg [20-Dec-24 12:14 PM] taxevader69#0000 Hey I joined the game a little while ago and I just got the pro license, I had heard about the grant and I was wondering if I could get some money, I'm currently trying to spec a little into software and those components are not treating my bank account too nicely [20-Dec-24 12:28 PM] getonthetrain#0000 Make a plan in prunplanner and if it makes sense you should be good [20-Dec-24 12:30 PM] jcheung#0000 software? can you be a little more specific [20-Dec-24 01:51 PM] archielvahr#0000 I try to keep bids open on most of the SD produced software items. If you have some on ANT you can't sell and I don't have bids, I may have simply forgotten. LD is pretty reliable and I think it has the highest bids per production time. [20-Dec-24 03:51 PM] taxevader69#0000 I did some rough calculations in excel and I should be fine because most of the technician software doesn’t need any inputs so it’s free products and the inputs to the engineer software aren’t too expensive just the building materials and the upkeep for them can be a little expensive [20-Dec-24 03:51 PM] taxevader69#0000 I’m going to give the planner a go though [20-Dec-24 03:53 PM] laaxus#0000 please do [20-Dec-24 03:56 PM] igfloz#0000 https://tenor.com/view/it%27s-totally-free-shea-whitney-it%27s-absolutely-free-it%27s-entirely-free-gif-10430033281179149100 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/it%27s-totally-free-shea-whitney-it%27s-absolutely-free-it%27s-entirely-free-gif-10430033281179149100 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/16dpHOLNHH7hOwIZ5qGfJ-L_R0tI7iebbKFqBFb4SBQ/https/media.tenor.com/kL7sAjAvYywAAAAe/it%2527s-totally-free-shea-whitney.png [20-Dec-24 04:07 PM] realbandit#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1319788364811079690/image.png?ex=68149972&is=681347f2&hm=13685ce53422c9055759c1195afb381882ca916ea16248187dd841eea7bccd77& {Reactions} 😆 (2) [20-Dec-24 05:26 PM] taxevader69#0000 https://tenor.com/view/did-you-say-free-happy-excited-crazy-gif-18505027 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/did-you-say-free-happy-excited-crazy-gif-18505027 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Wz0BfV7XbR_kheYo5WRN8sSFyODxiX7VLR-5CetT-Pk/https/media.tenor.com/31nachzhSKQAAAAe/did-you-say-free.png [20-Dec-24 05:28 PM] tanda#0000 It ain't free. Pop consumables are an arm and a leg [20-Dec-24 05:29 PM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-im-invincible-black-knight-just-a-flesh-wound-your-arms-off-gif-11996860 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-im-invincible-black-knight-just-a-flesh-wound-your-arms-off-gif-11996860 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Ng80q7dHSpqjHuhC8toh05ZOxeWWW9BJrPf1wG0A8gY/https/media.tenor.com/8parvpeqH3EAAAAe/monty-python-im-invincible.png [20-Dec-24 06:27 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Don't listen [20-Dec-24 06:27 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 It's free [20-Dec-24 06:27 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Simple as [20-Dec-24 06:28 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 :antares_initiative: [21-Dec-24 06:41 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Hi. I just started as a carbon farmer on Harmonia. I'm looking for a grant to extend into PE production, by getting Hydrogen from ZV-759G. ZV-759G: (686k AIC) https://prunplanner.org/shared/ac9aabb3-eaa3-4b85-8d5a-481d2fabf4d6 Harmonia, after expansion from grant (expansion requires 175k AIC): https://prunplanner.org/shared/e2c488eb-92d6-4baf-8880-b5486b38d09f [Later today this planet will be CM, 3xHB1, 1xFP, 3xFRM, 1xINC, 1xRIG, 3xHB1] Appears to generate about 10k AIC/day in PE and 15k AIC/day in other leftover stuff (mostly H and some agriculture products), so certainly could be optimized a bit more over time as it grows. Thoughts I've already had: - This is self sufficient for non luxury consumables except for OVE. Benefits of a farm planet. Might be worth it to use some luxury consumables on the gas giant. - The temperature of ZV-759G makes the base construction pricy. - There's basically a circular shipping route from AI1 -> Harmonia -> ZV-759G, which seems convenient. - Leaves about 140k of the grant for contingencies. - I've placed some guesses about where the experts will line up. - I know that doing the manufacturing of the PE on ZV probably isn't ideal, so as I grow and gain shipping capacity, I'd expect to move that to another base). - Expected repair costs seem to be about 8-10 days of every 90 days of profit, though it is more if I only count the PE output. - Fuel might be an issue, since getting in and out of ZV-759G chews up a lot of STL fuel even with close to minimum usage, though this depends a bit on frequency. - Could reduce costs some by launching fewer collectors on the gas giant initially, but long term it seems like I'd be exporting H from there anyway, so might as well get started now (and there does seem to be some amount of demand for H at the CX). Depending on when the grant would be approved, I might not be able to actually set this up for a few days due to the holidays. Thoughts? {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/ac9aabb3-eaa3-4b85-8d5a-481d2fabf4d6 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/e2c488eb-92d6-4baf-8880-b5486b38d09f PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [21-Dec-24 06:47 AM] laaxus#0000 H production requires a ton of shipping [21-Dec-24 06:47 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 That's why I'm doing the manufacturing in place. [21-Dec-24 06:48 AM] laaxus#0000 I think you try too much to be autonomous [21-Dec-24 06:48 AM] laaxus#0000 Sometimes, it is more profitable to rely on the cx [21-Dec-24 06:49 AM] laaxus#0000 Because others Can produce goods cheaper than you can [21-Dec-24 06:49 AM] laaxus#0000 I am on mobile so I can't investigate much [21-Dec-24 06:49 AM] laaxus#0000 But if you want to produce pe [21-Dec-24 06:50 AM] laaxus#0000 I'd recommend hephaestus [21-Dec-24 06:51 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Yeah, I saw the base plan in #kevin-information , but that looked like it required significantly more shipping management since it was close to full loads every day (plus, just one base would be a noticable amount of all the CX H traffic). Though, it is certainly more profitable if it can be kept fed. [21-Dec-24 08:58 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Ok, having noodled on this a bit more, I see what you are saying. I had a read through this: https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/posts/starting-in-antares/ from a pinned message which helped understand the situation a bit better. The biggest thing I missed was that the fuel and transport time and to Hephastus from the CX is quite short compared to what I am used to on harmonia (duh). So I think the only concern is if the hydrogen market supply can keep up or not. And, if it can't, at least its not too many days of profit to open hydrogen production though clearly that's not a preferred outcome. In any case a 1M grant doesn't appear to be able to cover a full 20 HB1 + 20 BMP up front, so I can start with 15 or 16 of each (800k-850k) and then grow over time, using the remainin 150k-200k to seed the input materials Plan: https://prunplanner.org/shared/97391f99-3ca5-4d81-a5c3-27564a90a484 [21-Dec-24 09:02 AM] laaxus#0000 please don't underestimate the cost of keeping stock for input and consummables [21-Dec-24 09:02 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 So you're saying, start with something more like 10/10 ? [21-Dec-24 09:02 AM] laaxus#0000 Out of 1M, I would spend 500k max on building, whatever needed in input and the rest as buffer [21-Dec-24 09:03 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 10/10 it is then, let me adjust that [21-Dec-24 09:03 AM] laaxus#0000 and then slowly increase buildings [21-Dec-24 09:03 AM] laaxus#0000 if you ever want to buy at bid and sell at ask, you need a buffer of money [21-Dec-24 09:03 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 hmm, 10 is a bit too much, maybe 8. [21-Dec-24 09:03 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 yeah [21-Dec-24 09:04 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 ok, 8/8 is 499k [21-Dec-24 09:05 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 inputs per day claim to be about 50k [21-Dec-24 09:05 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 and that's down to 80 hydrogen per day which has me worry about the market situation less. [21-Dec-24 09:08 AM] laaxus#0000 for a pe base, this is a good plan [21-Dec-24 09:09 AM] laaxus#0000 just a few question, why are you going into pe ? [21-Dec-24 09:09 AM] laaxus#0000 just for profit, or do you have later plan ? [21-Dec-24 09:12 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 So, I was looking at it already before I heard about the grant and came here, because of several aspects of harmonia that could have done it interated (ineffeciently, of course). I was already carbon farming, there's low quality hydrogen on that planet, so I could have done a nice vertical integration in place. Beyond the vertical integration on a small base, it was clear from the market that PE demand was significant so a small player could not worry about getting stuck. But, obviously, the grant can change that approach dramatically and I wouldn't use that approach with the grant. But, the main goal for the moment is certainly profit, I haven't looked further than PE for now. [21-Dec-24 09:13 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 But, possible next goals would be to use the profit towards a third ship, or either up the chain or down the chain (e.g. Hydrogen) to support the PE production. [21-Dec-24 09:14 AM] laaxus#0000 another advice : always set your experts to 5, as you'll reach that eventually [21-Dec-24 09:14 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 yeah, done. [21-Dec-24 09:14 AM] laaxus#0000 building vertical on a single base is bad most of the time, [21-Dec-24 09:14 AM] laaxus#0000 it's ok for a first base, but avoid that in the future [21-Dec-24 09:14 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Yeah, like I said, the grant means I'm not stuck on one planet. That was just why I was looking at PE to begin with. (e.g. "what uses carbon?") [21-Dec-24 09:15 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm sorry, I'm quite sick, so I'm probably repeating myself or missing something you already said [21-Dec-24 09:15 AM] laaxus#0000 I would recommend testing those base in prunplanner before making a decision {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1320047077744705656/image.png?ex=6814e1a4&is=68139024&hm=b00cb23efd113fbe63e821672cc750a08512022f5accb1b9daea60f446ff8e7b& [21-Dec-24 09:15 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Oh, no problem. The grant proram feels very generous to a new player, and this discussion has also been useful. [21-Dec-24 09:16 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 As was the intro to pruplanner. I've done like 5 possible setups since finding it last night. [21-Dec-24 09:17 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 > it's ok for a first base, but avoid that in the future My guilty conscience does feel like saying I expect to do some playing around with Harmonia still but I'll keep this advice in mind, and it doesn't affect how I'd approach the PE line on Heph.. [21-Dec-24 09:18 AM] laaxus#0000 The best advice I like to give is to make a prunplanner base for each building in optimal setup, this really gives you an idea of what's profitable, what isn't, what is a potential good idea etc [21-Dec-24 09:18 AM] laaxus#0000 it takes time but it's really worthwhile [21-Dec-24 09:18 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 indeed. [21-Dec-24 09:19 AM] laaxus#0000 another advice I like to give is to setup cx setting in prunplanner as "buy at ask, sell at bid" [21-Dec-24 09:19 AM] laaxus#0000 because the worst case scenario is not selling your production [21-Dec-24 09:19 AM] laaxus#0000 having the security of always being able to get a profit even when selling at bid, is really valuable in itself [21-Dec-24 09:20 AM] laaxus#0000 almost everybody once overproduced a product, and couldn't sell it [21-Dec-24 09:20 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Yeah. I didn't quite see how to do that at first, I think it means set the CX preferences to be SELL at AI1 BUY and BUY ant AI1 SELL ? [21-Dec-24 09:20 AM] laaxus#0000 exact [21-Dec-24 09:20 AM] laaxus#0000 no [21-Dec-24 09:20 AM] laaxus#0000 no [21-Dec-24 09:20 AM] laaxus#0000 sorry [21-Dec-24 09:20 AM] laaxus#0000 buy at ask, sell at bid [21-Dec-24 09:21 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 hmmm [21-Dec-24 09:21 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 That's not an option [21-Dec-24 09:21 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1320048446736175225/image.png?ex=6814e2eb&is=6813916b&hm=f446332ec5d5cbef76605a371165314a7ae192a93013fa9ff16f0b9d1b78ec14& [21-Dec-24 09:21 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 ok, you were saying bid and ask and the tool says buy and sell [21-Dec-24 09:21 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 picture is helpful [21-Dec-24 09:26 AM] laaxus#0000 another thing : don't buy a new ships, upgrade yours first [21-Dec-24 09:26 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 that (ship buying) feels a long way off regardless [21-Dec-24 09:27 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, I'll buy my first new ship in a week or two [21-Dec-24 09:27 AM] laaxus#0000 after more than 100 day of playing [21-Dec-24 09:27 AM] laaxus#0000 tho an agp grant speed you up by around 60-70 days [21-Dec-24 09:28 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 ok, I've checked a few things in the plan and convinced myself I have the correct CX settings to rely on bids and asks for the appropriate operations. {Reactions} 👍 [21-Dec-24 09:28 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Construction costs did go up to 556k though but I think that might be close enough. [21-Dec-24 09:29 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 58k per day of supply to start. [21-Dec-24 09:30 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 well, less since I don't start with 5 experts, so the ramp is slightly cheaper until they arrive [21-Dec-24 09:31 AM] laaxus#0000 Once you did those bases in prunplanner, and you're convinced of your choice for the base you desire, I'll give you the grant [21-Dec-24 09:31 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I... think I am convicned? The plan is the one you've been looking at. [21-Dec-24 09:31 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 If you think I'm better off starting at 7/7 I can do that too I guess. [21-Dec-24 09:31 AM] laaxus#0000 it's not a matter of the pe base, I think 8/8 is fine [21-Dec-24 09:32 AM] laaxus#0000 but just a matter of "which base is the most profitable" [21-Dec-24 09:32 AM] laaxus#0000 this is a question you need to ask yourself [21-Dec-24 09:32 AM] laaxus#0000 because profitability depends on your value [21-Dec-24 09:32 AM] laaxus#0000 I like High risk High reward gameplay [21-Dec-24 09:33 AM] laaxus#0000 Others like stability, slow but steady, gameplay [21-Dec-24 09:33 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 oh, you mean build all of these plus the one I have in prunplanner first? https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1254643011980234863/1320047077975130213 [21-Dec-24 09:33 AM] laaxus#0000 so I can't tell you which base is best [21-Dec-24 09:33 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, make a base for them [21-Dec-24 09:33 AM] laaxus#0000 you don't need to add them to your empire [21-Dec-24 09:33 AM] laaxus#0000 but jsut to have the base saved, mean you can look it up later on with one click [21-Dec-24 09:33 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 well, I do to assign them a CX, don't I? I have a different empire for each test. [21-Dec-24 09:34 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1320051828376993914/image.png?ex=6814e611&is=68139491&hm=fc60e7c9f88d69af0143ffb8aef883a3b4d4b5d71bb9b3694337354faf317e95& [21-Dec-24 09:34 AM] laaxus#0000 that's all the base I have saved in PP [21-Dec-24 09:34 AM] laaxus#0000 but only use a few of them in my empire [21-Dec-24 09:35 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I'm missing something about the things in that description. They seem to be taking about buildings not products. [21-Dec-24 09:35 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 so, if I made a pp2 base, what would I be desining it to build for the test? [21-Dec-24 09:36 AM] laaxus#0000 Well, you'd need to decide which planet to build it on [21-Dec-24 09:36 AM] laaxus#0000 ideal case is 3 green close to cx, with the associated cogc [21-Dec-24 09:37 AM] laaxus#0000 PP2 is a construction building [21-Dec-24 09:37 AM] laaxus#0000 so you want to build it on a construction planet [21-Dec-24 09:37 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 No, I mean, to compare with my PE setup, what would I tell the PP2s to build? [21-Dec-24 09:37 AM] laaxus#0000 so go on the search tab, filter by construction, set the distance to ANT less than 5, and then look at the planet [21-Dec-24 09:39 AM] laaxus#0000 depends on your gameplay [21-Dec-24 09:39 AM] laaxus#0000 you could either always do the most profitable recipe and adapt to the market [21-Dec-24 09:39 AM] laaxus#0000 or always build Lfabs in set proportion (1 LBH/LDE/LTA for example) [21-Dec-24 09:40 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Hmmm. [21-Dec-24 09:41 AM] laaxus#0000 but honestly, the question is : you have those 2 base, it's up to you to decide which one is better You should take account of : 1) how much shipping is required 2) how sure you are to be able to sell your production 3) how unstable is the market of your input goods [21-Dec-24 09:41 AM] laaxus#0000 for example, I smelt LI on deimos [21-Dec-24 09:42 AM] laaxus#0000 but the market look like this for LIO {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1320053731194175508/image.png?ex=6814e7d6&is=68139656&hm=decb76a7e5b672b59f0d291159d0ad86f7eb326b71bab8fc0929adb1ee90f371& [21-Dec-24 09:42 AM] laaxus#0000 so yeah [21-Dec-24 09:42 AM] laaxus#0000 I gonna have to change recipe at some point (aka this week, once I run out of stock) [21-Dec-24 09:50 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 ok, this feels like a sort of exponential amount of exploration to do before settling on a base though, since I need to test for potentially many different products in each of those 5 options. I do like the fact that Heph has low transport times. [21-Dec-24 09:51 AM] laaxus#0000 it truly helps at the start (the low transport time of hepha) [21-Dec-24 09:51 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm not saying PE base is a bad idea tho, don't misunderstand [21-Dec-24 09:53 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Mostly I'm trying to understand what you're asking me to do. I'll poke at a few options but I don't think I'll do many products at each of those 5 locations. [21-Dec-24 09:53 AM] laaxus#0000 don't force yourself [21-Dec-24 09:53 AM] laaxus#0000 that being a chore is not the point [21-Dec-24 09:54 AM] laaxus#0000 if you want, I can give you the grant for the pe base right now [21-Dec-24 09:54 AM] laaxus#0000 I just don't want you to regret your choice later on [21-Dec-24 09:55 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 if you'll be around for a bit I'll poke first, but if you're running off I'm pretty happy with the PE base now. [21-Dec-24 09:55 AM] laaxus#0000 I'll be online for the next hour or so before I go eating [21-Dec-24 09:57 AM] realharvey#0000 Construction bases might appear more profitable but it also requires way more shipping. For a beginner I advise to focus on bases with low shipping :) [21-Dec-24 09:57 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I had been interpreting Laaxus's advice thus far to be avoid bases that don't require shipping because vertical integration is less profitable. [21-Dec-24 09:58 AM] laaxus#0000 This screen might be the most important one in PP, make sure to use it well {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1320057742484050093/image.png?ex=6814eb93&is=68139a13&hm=da4d6c3c3bf16e54ad907b1a353c7bbc53b11adb79061e6843eb098017f14c74& [21-Dec-24 09:58 AM] laaxus#0000 vertical on one base {Reactions} 👆 [21-Dec-24 09:58 AM] laaxus#0000 vertical on different base is optimal [21-Dec-24 09:59 AM] realharvey#0000 you loose a lot of efficiency when you run two different industries on one planet. [21-Dec-24 09:59 AM] realharvey#0000 5 Experts gives you 28% bonus for just one industry [21-Dec-24 09:59 AM] realharvey#0000 you dont want to miss out on it [21-Dec-24 09:59 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Ok, so for the POL on Elon example, you wouldn't extract the MGS locally to generate PG? [21-Dec-24 09:59 AM] realharvey#0000 na MG is cheap and weighs nothing [21-Dec-24 10:03 AM] realharvey#0000 For example: This is a "normal" PG base on Elon {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1320059177346793583/image.png?ex=6814ece9&is=68139b69&hm=2ddd534123d894a4c1afff7854ef1bc8602681f068d3e341e415c98c120b652c& [21-Dec-24 10:04 AM] realharvey#0000 You can only extract MGS and would need to create MG out of it [21-Dec-24 10:04 AM] realharvey#0000 adding more buildings that are not Chmistry [21-Dec-24 10:04 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 yes [21-Dec-24 10:05 AM] realharvey#0000 means more buildings not with 10% Cogc bonus and not profiting of 28,4% expert bonus [21-Dec-24 10:06 AM] realharvey#0000 there are a few quite heavy products where on site extraction makes sense [21-Dec-24 10:08 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 how much should I be concerned about market saturation? For example, is it an issue if I supply or demand, say, 5%-10% of the traded volume per day? [21-Dec-24 10:09 AM] laaxus#0000 the best way to look at it is the amount of bid (imo) [21-Dec-24 10:09 AM] laaxus#0000 how much time would it take for you to fill all the profitable bid ? [21-Dec-24 10:10 AM] laaxus#0000 use the CXM cmd [21-Dec-24 10:10 AM] laaxus#0000 look at the bid in ANT but also the other market [21-Dec-24 10:24 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 ok, I've poked around a bit. The only case that looked on its face more profitable per day than PE at Heph was PP2 generating LDE at nike, but the market looked slim (though, I guess as you said you can swap around to other L** outputs). PG (via POL) and CL(+NA) (via CHP) at Elon were both ok, but weren't as good and took more shipping (distance+time, not weight/volume). So, I think I'm good going with BMPs doing PE on Heph for now. I like that the shipping distance is short which keeps my ship available for shipping contracts, and BMPs can also switch over to other in-demand products pretty easily if needed. [21-Dec-24 10:26 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 @laaxus thank you so much for your help and forcing me to work through this more, it was definately valuable. [21-Dec-24 10:31 AM] laaxus#0000 Sounds good [21-Dec-24 10:31 AM] laaxus#0000 sending you the grant [21-Dec-24 10:32 AM] laaxus#0000 you accept the money then request termination [21-Dec-24 10:32 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 wild [21-Dec-24 10:33 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Thank you! [21-Dec-24 10:33 AM] laaxus#0000 I wish a prosperous career in Antares ! [21-Dec-24 10:34 AM] laaxus#0000 don't forget t check out #internal-offers they help a lot in the beginning [21-Dec-24 10:35 AM] realharvey#0000 Looking at market saturation is a very good thing to do. We have a lot of internal guys that use tons of PE for INS. So you'll always find customers here aswell [21-Dec-24 10:36 AM] laaxus#0000 https://prunplanner.org/tools/market is a tool that I use very often {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/tools/market PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [21-Dec-24 10:42 AM] tanda#0000 Yeah, I'll hoover down some PE {Reactions} 😋 [21-Dec-24 11:27 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'll be slowing down PE production eventually too, too make gateway parts [21-Dec-24 11:40 AM] finestone#0000 If you are going to do PG on elon you should take a Look at project PPP and possibly joining CULT we can give you Corp HQ bonus on Elon. I sell H on planet and @tanda sells MG. There is no real negative to do so we just ask you put the PG onto ANT CX [21-Dec-24 04:49 PM] 8082i4gor#0000 Alright so I played around with the planner and came up with a metallurgy base on deimos (https://prunplanner.org/shared/6e4793bc-07bb-44aa-b5d1-9a3dc05620e6), after all the expenses id have a buffer of 80k. Id use the profits from that base on an electronics base on phobos. I got it all planned out aswell (https://prunplanner.org/shared/81e31db5-7819-45ba-94e0-b5c7e40f95ae) {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/6e4793bc-07bb-44aa-b5d1-9a3dc05620e6 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/81e31db5-7819-45ba-94e0-b5c7e40f95ae PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [21-Dec-24 04:49 PM] 8082i4gor#0000 thoughts? [21-Dec-24 04:54 PM] tanda#0000 I would personally recommend not running INC on Deimos. Carbon is pretty stable right now and running buildings off COGC generally reduces profit. FS outputs are honestly really unreliable on the CX currently. I personally run some FS and was strongly considering getting rid of them due to how slow the outputs were selling, At least until I started contributing to specific projects. [21-Dec-24 04:57 PM] tanda#0000 Also, 90% of the time you're going to want to use the luxury items for pops. It improves outputs considerably. I would recommend taking a look at the experts down on the bottom left. You will eventually hit 5 experts for metallurgy on Deimos, and for electronics on Phobos with these builds. You may as well account for the shipping and resource demands they will entail [21-Dec-24 05:10 PM] tanda#0000 If you want to build things like connectors, it would be best to shop around for someone to buy them from you. Also I would plan on smelting RGO/BGO on site through your FS. These inputs are really heavy, and also somewhat unavailable on market. If you import AUO, smelt AU on site, then process it into RGO/BGO it solves a lot of your problems [21-Dec-24 05:12 PM] tanda#0000 Speaking of. Watch your import/export when you make bases: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1320166985694183434/image.png?ex=6814a890&is=68135710&hm=695b97e8c80ec0251301a7672e40f9c9a5222275f1f054adc5254f87c3f58627& [21-Dec-24 05:12 PM] tanda#0000 This is going to be very dicey with just two starter ships [21-Dec-24 05:23 PM] igfloz#0000 Everything Tanda has mentioned is very relevant. My 1st impression when I looked at your plans was "jeez, keeping 8 FS supplied is gonna burn your 80K buffer straight away" - As Tanda mentioned, add Lux 1 and Lux 2 items - and also, just take moment and look at what your DW and RAT needs are per day, this is going to cost money ! Laxxus and Sanitycat were having a good conversation in this channel earlier today about starting a 1st base. A lot of what was discussed will apply to your decisions also. I recommend scrolling back a few hours and reading through 🙂 {Reactions} 😻 [21-Dec-24 05:34 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 It was burried in that conversation (which was very helpful!), but I also wanted to point out this pinned site which covered a lot of ground as well: https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/posts/starting-in-antares/ {Reactions} 👆 (2) [21-Dec-24 05:37 PM] igfloz#0000 Also lurking deep in that conversatione, @laaxus mentioned setting up the CX settings correctly in Prun Planner {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1320173399636709396/image.png?ex=6814ae8a&is=68135d0a&hm=42e45a6a10c34aaaeccd71c4abd273dba73f8bf3ebefbec0534bc8205fdfd6b8& [21-Dec-24 05:39 PM] igfloz#0000 It will help with seeing actual costs in Prunplanner {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1320173770559848509/image.png?ex=6814aee2&is=68135d62&hm=e2c131600a2d125795a4b55c5f739af02f84e7021670f15a609288ca9e0c628e& [22-Dec-24 09:58 AM] finestone#0000 @jvaler I think Laaxus needs added to the ledger [22-Dec-24 12:14 PM] jvaler#0000 tyty [23-Dec-24 03:43 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 Alright, thank you everyone for the help! Turns out I havent updated my cx setting before making the base plans. I also mistaked pe's supply and demand with BCO's 💀 , so I came up with another plan for deimos. (https://prunplanner.org/shared/6e4793bc-07bb-44aa-b5d1-9a3dc05620e6) The plan leaves me with 200 area for further expansion and a buffer of 200k. I havent included luxury consumables or experts because i think the baseline should be the ideal expectation, than planning for always the most ideal circumstances. I will still be using luxury consumables ofc. I would produce RG until its not longer profitable (current approx is 2 weeks if no more orders come in), then GL without the sensor recipe (wont last very long, not a great market, then Id be going to NG. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/6e4793bc-07bb-44aa-b5d1-9a3dc05620e6 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [23-Dec-24 03:43 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 my next base plan stayed the same (for phobos) https://prunplanner.org/shared/81e31db5-7819-45ba-94e0-b5c7e40f95ae {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/81e31db5-7819-45ba-94e0-b5c7e40f95ae PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [23-Dec-24 03:49 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 I still went with deimos in antares II because it calculates higher profit rather than building a base on eos that would have shorter flight times without jumping between systems but less profit. [23-Dec-24 04:36 AM] jcheung#0000 if you really want to make RG, i suggest considering making GL as well [23-Dec-24 04:37 AM] jcheung#0000 also what's your plan to source AUO? [23-Dec-24 07:27 AM] tanda#0000 I would personally recommend something like this. I overproduce gold myself, and it can be very slow to move. It's also unbelievably heavy after smelting (part of why I process it into RGO and then HCC on site without moving it again). SI is in a pretty good place right now, you can expect to get some movement there. I highly recommend smelting your own GL. GL is more expensive than it appears at first, and this base will cost you roughly 180k per week just in GL to run it. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1320744588331188234/image.png?ex=6814c840&is=681376c0&hm=15b665b0f5e46f9df94176643fb19916890a47ddaccfc14642373a01d8cc582b& [23-Dec-24 07:27 AM] tanda#0000 man, I miss the days I could honestly recommend an AL base [23-Dec-24 07:29 AM] tanda#0000 Oh, and make sure you add on a STO on the left hand side. Each STO gives your base another 5k tons and 5k m3 to work with. It'll keep you sane (logisitically speaking) [23-Dec-24 07:33 AM] tanda#0000 And again, make sure you're using experts in your calculation. It's not about profit so much, it's about tonnage and space. The above base requires one of your starter ships to export from it every day (which is doable). Looking at how the experts change the base will help keep you from struggling down the road. [23-Dec-24 07:33 AM] tanda#0000 A full base will hit 5th expert in 2 months, so it will happen, and probably sooner than you're ready to upgrade your ships [23-Dec-24 02:33 PM] 8082i4gor#0000 when i make gl it actually decreases profit and increases tonnage with experts set both on 0 and 5 and in both types of cx managments. i have my cx managment set to buy and sell rather than average and came up with different prices than on your screenshot but when i set it on average it matched the prices, whats the benefit of using an average over more accurate prices right now? [23-Dec-24 02:33 PM] 8082i4gor#0000 cuz i set it like on the screenshot [23-Dec-24 02:34 PM] 8082i4gor#0000 from the cx [23-Dec-24 02:35 PM] tanda#0000 I have mine set to average to help make long term decisions. I would pay attention to market volume above everything else right now. Check out CXPC GL.AI1 to give you an idea of how much moves [23-Dec-24 02:54 PM] 8082i4gor#0000 GL is more dependable so ill make RG on the side same with the silicon and gold. if trends change theres versatility to change [23-Dec-24 05:33 PM] jcheung#0000 oops, ignore that [23-Dec-24 05:33 PM] jcheung#0000 the reason GL makes you "less" is because your final output in the end of RG decreases. that said, RG sells so slowly at ask [23-Dec-24 05:36 PM] jcheung#0000 also while avg has its merits, buying at buy and selling at sell has some too [23-Dec-24 05:37 PM] jcheung#0000 avg is good for longer term, buy high / sell low is good for short term [23-Dec-24 05:37 PM] jcheung#0000 ideally, you look at *both* numbers *and* `cxpc` [23-Dec-24 05:56 PM] finestone#0000 I would look at selling to bids early [23-Dec-24 07:02 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Yeah, selling to bids means your money moves faster, which with the limited supply us new players have is... very useful. (It also means you can, for example, bring oyur ship to the cx, sell your product, and use that cash to buy the next round of inputs to ship back out). [24-Dec-24 04:17 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 theres a large demand for steel compared to supply. Instead of gold, i think steel is good to make with silicon, its less tonnage and space, with higher profit than just steel when you make silicon with it (1 STL/3SIL with 4 SME). While producing glass, RG is produced with it, so when the small amount of orders are fulfilled, I am still producing GL and can use that reliably. This way, I can get as much short term profit I can so I can build my buffer. I want to use most of the original buffer to buy input ahead of time, so once I develop enough profit, I can start making orders and transition toward the average price, which would be more desirable in the long run. I originally had 5 GFs, but the construction prices in the current market were way too high. So, in the meantime, I removed one. Later on, I intend to build it back once im comfortable with what im doing. So, we are looking at (AVG market): 4 GF running GL and 4 SME running 1 STL 3 SI: 48k / 451.7t; 60.3k/day input 4 GF running GL and RG and 4 SME running 1 STL 3 SI: 56k / 419t; 64.4k/day input Current Market: 4 GF running GL and 4 SME running 1 STL 3 SI: 33.6k / 451t; 70.35k/day input 4 GF running GL and RG and 4 SME running 1 STL 3 SI: 43k / 420t; 73k/day input Current prices to construct base: 1x 700k construction (ouch) 3x 73k input Total: 919k, 81k buffer Please let me know if im overlooking anything, this is with the experts and lux items. I want to make sure im doing this right, and this is my first time playing this type of game of this depth, and im enjoying the learning. If theres any reoccurring mistakes, im trying to learn, and maybe im not analyzing correctly. You all have been a lot of help and very informative, I appreciate everyone that has helped me! ❤️ [24-Dec-24 04:27 AM] jcheung#0000 for STL, be wary of the weigh of FE [25-Dec-24 02:48 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The average includes sales made with ask and bid orders, representing a price people actually agreed upon. Sometimes people park there wares as bids or ask for ridiculous prices. Those will sit there and set a high price, tho nobody will buy for that. This might lead to wrong assumptions on your side. Tho, this is mostly true for unsaturated markets. It will be less of a problem for e.g DW or PWO [25-Dec-24 01:42 PM] o.pie#0000 hello [25-Dec-24 01:58 PM] laaxus#0000 hi [25-Dec-24 01:58 PM] laaxus#0000 I encourage you to read #agp-information [25-Dec-24 01:59 PM] laaxus#0000 I also encourage reading this channel from there [25-Dec-24 02:45 PM] o.pie#0000 here is my plan to make a big RAT base to start off {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1321579651038187663/image.png?ex=68148636&is=681334b6&hm=49cc3a04ae5d3fb904cf1549cd3fcacef7aa0117792a4a6157a3a478584b64f8& [25-Dec-24 02:46 PM] o.pie#0000 but I could also make half a RAT base and half a basic prefabs base [25-Dec-24 02:47 PM] o.pie#0000 i played this game two years ago [25-Dec-24 02:47 PM] o.pie#0000 as i recall, after making 5 or so bases, the limiting factor was shipping capacity [25-Dec-24 02:48 PM] tanda#0000 It is if you stay FREE/Basic, but you've already crossed that bridge [25-Dec-24 02:48 PM] tanda#0000 RAT is always a good idea, but current market makes DW insanely expensive right now [25-Dec-24 02:48 PM] o.pie#0000 oh yeah [25-Dec-24 02:49 PM] o.pie#0000 i could do a DW base as well [25-Dec-24 02:49 PM] o.pie#0000 where is the water planet in Antares [25-Dec-24 02:49 PM] tanda#0000 so that's probably my only critique is to go a bit heavier towards DW for the moment. FPs are versatile and can easily swap back [25-Dec-24 02:49 PM] tanda#0000 it's SE-110c Ice Station Alpha [25-Dec-24 02:50 PM] tanda#0000 water is in good supply and cheap, something I've recommended a couple of times is to set up a DW only base on Phobos [25-Dec-24 02:50 PM] tanda#0000 even off COGC it still turns over about 100k profit a day with current prices [25-Dec-24 02:50 PM] tanda#0000 and can make bank even buying off the cX [25-Dec-24 02:56 PM] o.pie#0000 ok one sec [25-Dec-24 03:11 PM] o.pie#0000 phobos base {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1321586231519219813/image.png?ex=68148c57&is=68133ad7&hm=1140271a5c8d37790da994ecffaf8ce7093dc3d53f2452ac498383c35abda3bd& [25-Dec-24 03:12 PM] tanda#0000 Yep, that'll do. I'll send the contract [25-Dec-24 03:14 PM] o.pie#0000 thank you [25-Dec-24 03:14 PM] o.pie#0000 it's the best prunmas ever [25-Dec-24 03:14 PM] tanda#0000 You're welcome! Welcome to ADI [26-Dec-24 12:06 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 Heyo! What would I need to do next ? [26-Dec-24 09:09 AM] jcheung#0000 probably wait for someone to accept you-may take a little bit because of holidays [26-Dec-24 09:28 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm having trouble understanding these numbers [26-Dec-24 09:29 AM] jvaler#0000 60.3k/d input? is that saying that's running costs? what about profit/d? [26-Dec-24 09:29 AM] jvaler#0000 the tonnage numbers look out of context too... 48k / 451.7t? [26-Dec-24 09:30 AM] jvaler#0000 and what prunplanner CX settings were these calculated with? [26-Dec-24 09:37 PM] 8082i4gor#0000 Yes, im sorry, I shouldve been more clear. I have 2 cx settings posted, one for the current market prices at the time and one for average so theres a long term outlook on it. I listed whats being made, and then the numbers below each are profits/d, tonnage/d, and input costs/d (including workforce inputs and lux items). So for example: 4 GF running GL and RG and 4 SME running 1 STL 3 SI: (Profit/d:) 56k / (Tonnage/d:) 419t; (Workforce & production input/d:) 64.4k/day [27-Dec-24 04:43 AM] jvaler#0000 okay these look like crazy good profits for this few buildings... i'm worried that the market for these items are temporary as they're historically more thinly traded, but i'll tenatively send you the grant for this. you seem to have a good grasp on the rest of the mechanics of the game [27-Dec-24 04:44 AM] jvaler#0000 sent you a cont [27-Dec-24 04:55 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 Thank you very much! [27-Dec-24 04:59 AM] jvaler#0000 btw "average" setting isn't actually average, it's just last traded price. for average you need to use the pp7davg setting [27-Dec-24 05:03 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 bruh [27-Dec-24 05:03 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 well, thats good to know [27-Dec-24 05:06 AM] jvaler#0000 it's stupid lol [27-Dec-24 05:06 AM] jvaler#0000 i was shocked when i found out the ingame "average" was useless [08-Jan-25 12:31 AM] jvaler#0000 @altf4forbetterlife looking at your prunplanner link, looks alright to me [08-Jan-25 12:31 AM] jvaler#0000 though why GC? [08-Jan-25 12:31 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 well planner says it the most profitable atm [08-Jan-25 12:31 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 besides some further industry can be applied based on GC [08-Jan-25 12:32 AM] jvaler#0000 hm.. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1326438360264216636/image.png?ex=68150fbd&is=6813be3d&hm=49aaf9f192d3b9b0e05e08919ed6c245b349223d730b5a36d67578e20ce9b7a7& [08-Jan-25 12:33 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 most profitable with AL which is my base job I may say ? [08-Jan-25 12:33 AM] jvaler#0000 you can't sell GC at that volume though, barely anyone buys it. if someone has the means to produce HMS they're most likely just going to produce the GC themselves {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1326438700053168198/image.png?ex=6815100e&is=6813be8e&hm=e64115af16de3058cc13ee00e5de9e2360eb13a7f58c6ac6422d2d0ae4a6f6c2& [08-Jan-25 12:34 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 I haven't done any deep inquiry and paperwork cause everthing happens a little fast to me today :), give me some time and I'll have a more reasonable plan [08-Jan-25 12:34 AM] jvaler#0000 you want to get into high throughput markets as liquidity is very important early game {Reactions} 👆 [08-Jan-25 12:34 AM] jvaler#0000 alright no rush [08-Jan-25 12:34 AM] jvaler#0000 we'll always be here [08-Jan-25 12:34 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 so how many hours until plan ddl ? [08-Jan-25 12:35 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 maybe I can finish it tonight (~7 hrs later) [08-Jan-25 12:35 AM] jvaler#0000 plan ddl? [08-Jan-25 12:35 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 I'm in +8 zone btw [08-Jan-25 12:35 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 yeah, hand in my plan to you [08-Jan-25 12:35 AM] jvaler#0000 oh [08-Jan-25 12:35 AM] jvaler#0000 whenever, plus there are others that can give feedback and send you the grant [08-Jan-25 12:36 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm going to bed in like 5mins though so [08-Jan-25 12:36 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 that's too hurry for a reasonable plan, good night then I'll do it later and better [08-Jan-25 12:36 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 thx for helping out [08-Jan-25 12:37 AM] jvaler#0000 yeah ofc, it takes a bit of time to research stuff in this game [08-Jan-25 12:37 AM] jvaler#0000 didn't expect a plan right away =P [08-Jan-25 12:37 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 🙂 ok [08-Jan-25 01:20 AM] finestone#0000 80% of your time will be spent planning 😄 [08-Jan-25 01:21 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/1394cb4c-62e7-4d9c-bba8-9282eed702d9 ok so this will be my first draft I think {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/1394cb4c-62e7-4d9c-bba8-9282eed702d9 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [08-Jan-25 01:21 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 focus on producing HMS & TRU atm, materials like C/H/HE/PG need be bought from market, will extend bases to produce them later in game [08-Jan-25 01:22 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 is this plan ok for grant ? [08-Jan-25 01:23 AM] finestone#0000 So step 1 make sure to mark Luxury good upkeep [08-Jan-25 01:23 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 ok done [08-Jan-25 01:23 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 50k profit/day [08-Jan-25 01:23 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 cool [08-Jan-25 01:23 AM] finestone#0000 there is very few reason you wouldnt use them [08-Jan-25 01:24 AM] finestone#0000 they would have to be outragously priced [08-Jan-25 01:24 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 currently it's profitable using them according to prun [08-Jan-25 01:26 AM] finestone#0000 HMS is a good one as its a consumable so i like that you have come to that however you are running 4 different Industries [08-Jan-25 01:27 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 well yeah actually that's the only product which needs are a lot and relevant to AL [08-Jan-25 01:27 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 cross-indy is a problem though [08-Jan-25 01:28 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 anything I can do to improve this situation [08-Jan-25 01:28 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 ? [08-Jan-25 01:29 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 or I think it's better for me to focus on HMS and delete the TRU part [08-Jan-25 01:30 AM] finestone#0000 So here are my thoughts [08-Jan-25 01:30 AM] finestone#0000 1 IND is not going to be consistent enough [08-Jan-25 01:31 AM] finestone#0000 for you as a player to comfortably setup HMS production [08-Jan-25 01:31 AM] finestone#0000 HE i didnt know about looked into and it seems fine [08-Jan-25 01:31 AM] finestone#0000 generally you only want to build the COGC buildings and maybe an EXT/RIG/COL [08-Jan-25 01:33 AM] finestone#0000 The only reason you would off COGC is for a shipping reasons and that you are accepting that inefficiency [08-Jan-25 01:34 AM] finestone#0000 that being said [08-Jan-25 01:34 AM] finestone#0000 I dont hate the WEL [08-Jan-25 01:34 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 ok give me a sec to absorb that info [08-Jan-25 01:34 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 what kind of COGC can boost WEL ? [08-Jan-25 01:35 AM] finestone#0000 that was my next point [08-Jan-25 01:35 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 ok great [08-Jan-25 01:35 AM] finestone#0000 later on i think this could be a good chain [08-Jan-25 01:35 AM] finestone#0000 but you would want 4 planets for the COGCS [08-Jan-25 01:35 AM] finestone#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1326454291271122974/image.png?ex=681475d3&is=68132453&hm=578e94e9ec1c255c0ad1258b3c4430ff61ca086c80fe1f46e4e3a9ef46f9dc6c& [08-Jan-25 01:36 AM] finestone#0000 to see what the Building COGC is you look at the Expertise [08-Jan-25 01:36 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 ok I'm with u now [08-Jan-25 01:36 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 pls go on [08-Jan-25 01:36 AM] finestone#0000 So welding plants *should* go on a Construction planet [08-Jan-25 01:37 AM] finestone#0000 the reason is 25% is alot and you are going to struggle to make profits as markets get tighter margins [08-Jan-25 01:37 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 yeah I agree that [08-Jan-25 01:37 AM] finestone#0000 CLF is manufactoring [08-Jan-25 01:38 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 so for each part of HMS chain, I'm recommended to find corresponding COGC to do it [08-Jan-25 01:38 AM] finestone#0000 correct [08-Jan-25 01:38 AM] finestone#0000 IND is chemicals etc [08-Jan-25 01:38 AM] finestone#0000 now that being said [08-Jan-25 01:38 AM] finestone#0000 if the market is suffienct you can supply via market [08-Jan-25 01:38 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 how much is it to set up a blank base on a new planet approximately ? [08-Jan-25 01:38 AM] finestone#0000 but as a new player IND is too low volume [08-Jan-25 01:39 AM] finestone#0000 you cant put large buy orders in to attract people to make IND for you [08-Jan-25 01:39 AM] finestone#0000 if the market dries up does that make sense? [08-Jan-25 01:39 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 yeah I agree [08-Jan-25 01:39 AM] finestone#0000 you have to Buy goods then sell goods early on [08-Jan-25 01:39 AM] finestone#0000 so ideally you want to fill BID orders [08-Jan-25 01:39 AM] finestone#0000 or sell things with very high daily volume [08-Jan-25 01:40 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 I think HMS matches that requirement ? [08-Jan-25 01:40 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 as a basic consumable [08-Jan-25 01:41 AM] finestone#0000 most consumables are good for that reason yes i would say the market is not as great compared to say RAT or DW tho [08-Jan-25 01:41 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 that's for sure, RAT and DW is basic of basic 🙂 [08-Jan-25 01:41 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 I mean [08-Jan-25 01:41 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 too basic for profit, isn't it [08-Jan-25 01:42 AM] finestone#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1326455869164093471/image.png?ex=6814774b&is=681325cb&hm=f78ff7904ecfd56026b8fa710864be388b8053b74a41c948410be88877a7274e& [08-Jan-25 01:42 AM] finestone#0000 So to really view market health an easy way is 2 fold what is the spread as a percentage? and what is the 1d and 7 day AVG volume [08-Jan-25 01:43 AM] finestone#0000 the Galaxy bought 7000 HMS last week [08-Jan-25 01:43 AM] finestone#0000 AI1 was 1/7th of that [08-Jan-25 01:43 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 moria is a beast [08-Jan-25 01:44 AM] finestone#0000 and our spread is roughly 25% [08-Jan-25 01:44 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 is it possible for me to ship HMS to NC1 to sell ? [08-Jan-25 01:44 AM] finestone#0000 so if you were wanting to produce 2000 HMS weekly for AI1 that would probably not be ideal [08-Jan-25 01:45 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 wow......hard for me to find a product that need AL 🥹 [08-Jan-25 01:45 AM] finestone#0000 as a new player i would not think about selling at other CXs [08-Jan-25 01:45 AM] finestone#0000 only AI1 we just use all the markets to get a sense of market health [08-Jan-25 01:46 AM] finestone#0000 well that is my next question is just selling the AL not what you are wanting? [08-Jan-25 01:46 AM] laaxus#0000 Yes but you should not do that as a New player as it is risky {Reactions} 👆 [08-Jan-25 01:47 AM] laaxus#0000 Your first base should make money at no risk [08-Jan-25 01:47 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 well both of you are correct [08-Jan-25 01:47 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 looks like there is a big market potential for selling AL directly [08-Jan-25 01:48 AM] finestone#0000 Selling AL is a good starter then build out your other planets would be a good plan [08-Jan-25 01:48 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 but wouldn't that turn my HQ base completely useless except a huge AL smelter ? [08-Jan-25 01:48 AM] laaxus#0000 Then once you have a riskless source of revenue, then you Can start taking risks [08-Jan-25 01:48 AM] finestone#0000 HQ doesnt matter [08-Jan-25 01:48 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 alright then [08-Jan-25 01:48 AM] finestone#0000 There is no bonus on your HQ [08-Jan-25 01:48 AM] laaxus#0000 Your first planet is deimos ? [08-Jan-25 01:48 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 so by doing this I can get rid of limit of "using AL" and start do other products [08-Jan-25 01:49 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 Yeah I'm attracted by it's ALO yield 🙂 [08-Jan-25 01:49 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 any suggestions ? still able to COLIQ atm [08-Jan-25 01:49 AM] finestone#0000 If your fine just selling AL do that [08-Jan-25 01:50 AM] finestone#0000 if you really want to use it i would try selling GC [08-Jan-25 01:50 AM] laaxus#0000 AL Will Always sell [08-Jan-25 01:50 AM] finestone#0000 you can fill that bid at a profit and hopefully attract buyers [08-Jan-25 01:50 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 I guess I'll sell it [08-Jan-25 01:50 AM] finestone#0000 there is a enough GC moving that you should be fine then eventually decon the WEL and move to a CON planet [08-Jan-25 01:51 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 but pls tell me if there is a better HQ planet [08-Jan-25 01:51 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 it's ok for me to move [08-Jan-25 01:51 AM] finestone#0000 HQ doesnt matter [08-Jan-25 01:51 AM] laaxus#0000 You Can move hq anytime [08-Jan-25 01:51 AM] finestone#0000 all it does is give faction bonus [08-Jan-25 01:51 AM] finestone#0000 which as Anateres is Electronics [08-Jan-25 01:51 AM] finestone#0000 so it will be awhile before you use it [08-Jan-25 01:52 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 no I mean if I COLIQ at another planet which can do more than produce AL I can save money for start another base n [08-Jan-25 01:52 AM] finestone#0000 No deimos is a great planet [08-Jan-25 01:52 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 alright then [08-Jan-25 01:52 AM] laaxus#0000 A good planet* [08-Jan-25 01:53 AM] finestone#0000 I like your WEL idea tho also the TRU will always sell [08-Jan-25 01:53 AM] finestone#0000 DO EXT, SME, WEL [08-Jan-25 01:53 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't recommend that [08-Jan-25 01:53 AM] finestone#0000 import HE, O, FEO, FLUX, C [08-Jan-25 01:54 AM] laaxus#0000 As a starting player, to be able to sell your production at bid is a lifeline [08-Jan-25 01:54 AM] finestone#0000 Export GC, TRU, AL [08-Jan-25 01:54 AM] laaxus#0000 Being able to sell your AL at bid anytime, without loss of profit, is great [08-Jan-25 01:54 AM] laaxus#0000 Tru production is riskier [08-Jan-25 01:55 AM] laaxus#0000 Yes it will sell, but it might take Time to sell [08-Jan-25 01:55 AM] finestone#0000 Im calc on selling to bid [08-Jan-25 01:55 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 u mean directly export to market or export to another planet for further HMS production ? [08-Jan-25 01:55 AM] laaxus#0000 So I would recommend a mix of ext and SME [08-Jan-25 01:55 AM] laaxus#0000 That's what I started the game with [08-Jan-25 01:56 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 ok so pure AL production according to Laaxus [08-Jan-25 01:56 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 I'm writing it down [08-Jan-25 01:56 AM] finestone#0000 Pure AL production is fine and safe [08-Jan-25 01:56 AM] finestone#0000 WEL is also profitable selling to bid [08-Jan-25 01:57 AM] finestone#0000 so if you want to go that route you can as well [08-Jan-25 01:57 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 I'm thinking [08-Jan-25 01:57 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 safe profit is attractive but after all, you need something that can lead you to a bigger company [08-Jan-25 01:58 AM] finestone#0000 but eventually you would decon the WEL and move to CON planet [08-Jan-25 01:58 AM] finestone#0000 so deimos would eventually be all SME anyways 🙂 [08-Jan-25 01:58 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 what is CON planet pls ? [08-Jan-25 01:59 AM] laaxus#0000 Yeah but there are very few bid order [08-Jan-25 01:59 AM] laaxus#0000 It is so risky [08-Jan-25 01:59 AM] laaxus#0000 And spread is enormous between ask and bid [08-Jan-25 01:59 AM] finestone#0000 have 2 -4 welders is not risky [08-Jan-25 01:59 AM] finestone#0000 he can make tons of cash from the AL and filling that GC bid [08-Jan-25 02:00 AM] laaxus#0000 If you want to take a slightly riskier start, then do a FP base on phobos [08-Jan-25 02:00 AM] laaxus#0000 At least you'll earn more money for that extra risk [08-Jan-25 02:01 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 I've made my final decision to start with pure AL, and do what F1NM said when I start having a healthy cash flow [08-Jan-25 02:01 AM] laaxus#0000 It's not a Bad décision [08-Jan-25 02:01 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 so how can I get 1mil grant for more SME atm ? [08-Jan-25 02:01 AM] laaxus#0000 A riskless cashflow is a lifeline [08-Jan-25 02:02 AM] laaxus#0000 Hence why I also recommend to take a leased base if interested [08-Jan-25 02:02 AM] laaxus#0000 But that's something you Can take a look on later [08-Jan-25 02:02 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 ok I'll have alook [08-Jan-25 02:03 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/1394cb4c-62e7-4d9c-bba8-9282eed702d9 final plan {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/1394cb4c-62e7-4d9c-bba8-9282eed702d9 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [08-Jan-25 02:03 AM] laaxus#0000 You Can dm riseoffilth and ask him if he has an available base for you I recommend him [08-Jan-25 02:04 AM] finestone#0000 I dont reccomend doing leased bases [08-Jan-25 02:04 AM] finestone#0000 BAse looks good however you will want 2-3 STO [08-Jan-25 02:04 AM] finestone#0000 also you can have 5 experts when doing calcs [08-Jan-25 02:04 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 I'll have a look for lease base but it is too early for me [08-Jan-25 02:05 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 ok thx [08-Jan-25 02:05 AM] finestone#0000 so metallurgy experts should be set to 5 extraction should be 1 (you can have 6 you could do 3/3 but the bonus gets better so 5-1 generally much better) [08-Jan-25 02:05 AM] laaxus#0000 Why ? [08-Jan-25 02:05 AM] finestone#0000 boring [08-Jan-25 02:06 AM] finestone#0000 just build all IDC base and dont play the game? [08-Jan-25 02:06 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 ok I've updated it, slightly over 1mil but 70k profit/day [08-Jan-25 02:06 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 looks perfect to me [08-Jan-25 02:06 AM] laaxus#0000 I did the first Month to get an extra revenue riskless [08-Jan-25 02:07 AM] laaxus#0000 It's not something you have to do forever [08-Jan-25 02:07 AM] laaxus#0000 UP to him to décide if it's fun or not [08-Jan-25 02:07 AM] finestone#0000 true i didnt say its bad [08-Jan-25 02:07 AM] finestone#0000 i said i dont reccomend it [08-Jan-25 02:08 AM] laaxus#0000 I personnaly like risky investment, but I can't do that without a riskless cashflow [08-Jan-25 02:08 AM] finestone#0000 I dont think the fun of the game is (purely) just seeing line go up [08-Jan-25 02:09 AM] finestone#0000 Its looks great i think you will find a backer in no time! The only issue that might come up is your export wieght [08-Jan-25 02:09 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 yeah actually both of you make sense, both are important [08-Jan-25 02:09 AM] finestone#0000 I would reccomend seeking an upgrade to your starter ships ASAP using our @PSK team [08-Jan-25 02:10 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 185 unit of AL each ship [08-Jan-25 02:10 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 is that really low ? [08-Jan-25 02:10 AM] finestone#0000 didnt you have like 70% of your company sitting on CX at one point LOL [08-Jan-25 02:11 AM] finestone#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1326463178619748412/image.png?ex=68147e1a&is=68132c9a&hm=8081cc0f605e07664ba4760f71cce9e8649a4630d51fee28e047b05f00f0df86& [08-Jan-25 02:11 AM] finestone#0000 Export weight is 508 daily [08-Jan-25 02:11 AM] finestone#0000 look at the weight volume for your ships [08-Jan-25 02:11 AM] laaxus#0000 Yes 😅 [08-Jan-25 02:12 AM] finestone#0000 hehe thought so you know the pain. [08-Jan-25 02:12 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 ok you're right [08-Jan-25 02:12 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 what does PSK do ? offer me money to upgrade my ship ? [08-Jan-25 02:13 AM] finestone#0000 They will give you a loan so you can upgrade your starter ship to a 1km3/3kt [08-Jan-25 02:13 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 wow that's great [08-Jan-25 02:13 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 so I just apply for it in psk-op channel ? [08-Jan-25 02:13 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 any requirements ? [08-Jan-25 02:14 AM] finestone#0000 yes idk what thier wait time is or requirments youll have to ask them its a newer project [08-Jan-25 02:14 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 ok I'll do it now [08-Jan-25 02:14 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 and for agp I'll just wait is that right ? [08-Jan-25 02:15 AM] finestone#0000 yeah i would repost your plan so its not buried and just say your applying for grant usually youll get it in less than 24 hours [08-Jan-25 02:16 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 ok thanks a lot for your help & time and also to Laaxus, really appreciate that ! [08-Jan-25 02:16 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 time for me to log off and have a rest 🙂 [08-Jan-25 02:17 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/1394cb4c-62e7-4d9c-bba8-9282eed702d9 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/1394cb4c-62e7-4d9c-bba8-9282eed702d9 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [08-Jan-25 02:58 AM] jcheung#0000 Please don't ping that role [08-Jan-25 02:59 AM] jcheung#0000 Do #psk-information instead [08-Jan-25 02:59 AM] jcheung#0000 Also asap isn't the correct usage of wcb upgrade. [08-Jan-25 03:00 AM] jcheung#0000 Wait until shipping is a concern [08-Jan-25 03:00 AM] jcheung#0000 Too soon is too much of a burden for loan repayment [08-Jan-25 03:01 AM] jcheung#0000 If you're at a point where shipping starts to be a concern, then you're established and can afford to axtually repay loans [08-Jan-25 03:03 AM] finestone#0000 ^ All of the above (sorry about the ping) [08-Jan-25 03:04 AM] finestone#0000 #psk-information [08-Jan-25 03:10 AM] finestone#0000 As possible does imply ability to repay but i understand your meaning 🙂 [08-Jan-25 03:11 AM] jcheung#0000 If you have the ability to repay, but have a super light load, opening up a new base is going to get you better returns {Reactions} 💯 [08-Jan-25 03:13 AM] finestone#0000 for some reason my mind was also thinking starter ships were 200/200 [08-Jan-25 03:14 AM] jcheung#0000 Ah, yeah, no. Starters are pretty decent [08-Jan-25 03:14 AM] finestone#0000 440t/day should be fine [08-Jan-25 03:14 AM] finestone#0000 deimos is close anyways [08-Jan-25 03:14 AM] jcheung#0000 The proximity is my thought as well [08-Jan-25 03:15 AM] finestone#0000 As someone who colonized AU605 and WU070a as my first 2 places shipping was a problem XD [08-Jan-25 03:15 AM] jcheung#0000 Plus there's so many opportunities to offload AL specifically on deimos itself {Reactions} 👆 (2) [08-Jan-25 05:09 PM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 @Project Administrator @Project Staff is it ok for me to get the grant ? my plan link is above 🥲 😍 [08-Jan-25 05:30 PM] archielvahr#0000 Looks good to me! [08-Jan-25 05:30 PM] archielvahr#0000 You have a slight ALO deficit, so you'll do a tiny bit of importing there, but I think that's fine [08-Jan-25 05:31 PM] archielvahr#0000 sending you the cash! [08-Jan-25 05:33 PM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 cash received , thanks a lot for helping! [08-Jan-25 05:33 PM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 😍 [08-Jan-25 05:33 PM] archielvahr#0000 Enjoy! What is the base construction cost, btw? [08-Jan-25 05:35 PM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 actually its pretty flexible since the only required structure is EXT and SME [08-Jan-25 05:35 PM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 for a 7 EXT + 14 SME will be 818k {Reactions} 👍 [09-Jan-25 03:53 AM] finestone#0000 I also think Steel is quite profitable atm could import feo/fe as well [09-Jan-25 04:42 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 Thats too much to import. Carbon is already pretty expensive. I will consider start a base @ vulcan for steel😀 [09-Jan-25 04:57 AM] realharvey#0000 Steel and FE/FEO are very heavy. Keep that in mind [09-Jan-25 05:05 AM] altf4forbetterlife#0000 thanks for hint [10-Jan-25 02:36 PM] freeloader4#0000 Hi, is it possible to apply for this? I'll put my base format below. I realize Phobos isn't the most ideal place for this type of build but its where I started so I feel like I want to roll with it. https://prunplanner.org/shared/815559d0-471c-49e5-9b1a-cdaa7e94e429 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/815559d0-471c-49e5-9b1a-cdaa7e94e429 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [10-Jan-25 02:38 PM] archielvahr#0000 Hello and welcome! [10-Jan-25 02:40 PM] finestone#0000 I would do less farm and more FP and do DW as well importing the H20 [10-Jan-25 02:41 PM] archielvahr#0000 Looks like you're all good on the airlock and username set up and such. I think this is a reasonable starter base. Over time you'll probably want to move the farms and FPs to planets that have an agriculture and food processing COGC, but it's common to start with mixed bases like this [10-Jan-25 02:42 PM] freeloader4#0000 let me play around with it for a sec, thats actually a nice idea [10-Jan-25 02:42 PM] archielvahr#0000 I'll send a grant! (you can tweak details later if you want!) {Reactions} ❤️ [10-Jan-25 02:43 PM] finestone#0000 yeah FP on Phobos is fine right now eventually you will tear it down for an electronics base but its great safe income atm {Reactions} 👍 [10-Jan-25 02:44 PM] finestone#0000 Also if you like the Food bussiness i would reccomend Norwick [10-Jan-25 02:44 PM] finestone#0000 which you could just leave your permit on phobos relatily empty and go build there [10-Jan-25 02:45 PM] finestone#0000 if you want Farms its Harmonia [10-Jan-25 02:46 PM] freeloader4#0000 Ok thanks for the info, I've been looking at other planets as well, just rn i didnt really have the means to move [10-Jan-25 02:48 PM] finestone#0000 The reason phobos is acceptable to off cogc is due to proximity to CX for newer players the cost savings on shipping, fuel, time and repairs is very benefitial [10-Jan-25 02:51 PM] freeloader4#0000 yea i figured since its so close i could make it work out {Reactions} 👍 [10-Jan-25 03:10 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah, in my opinion once youv'e got this phobos base going, you can see if you want more FRM capacity, H2O capacity, or FP capacity, then add bases on Harmonia, Etherwind, or Norwick, respectively. Or maybe you want to go into manufacturing on Heph or something totally different {Reactions} 👆 [10-Jan-25 03:13 PM] freeloader4#0000 Yea I want to still with food, so based on what the 2 of you rec, I think i'll make a downsized mixed base on Phobos to not use all the permitsand start planning the other bases. [10-Jan-25 03:18 PM] wikifeia#0000 Hey how's it going folks, I'm not sure if this channel or #associate-planning is better for this, but here goes. Is a single minded base like the one below more efficient than something diversified? Eventually I want to get into manufacturing, but my goal is to establish a set of self-sufficient resource production bases before getting to anything like that. I plan to build up this Deimos base first, then build one on Nike to supply Flux and produce BSE, then build one on Harmonia to supply carbon, potentially moving over to Norwick for food and drinking water production before setting up shop in Hephaestus for manufacturing. This is obviously going to take a very long time, but it's my broader plan that I want to build towards. https://prunplanner.org/shared/9d8a84cc-4076-4bed-810e-a81fa0da3e5a {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/9d8a84cc-4076-4bed-810e-a81fa0da3e5a PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [10-Jan-25 03:42 PM] igfloz#0000 Don't forget to add Lux 1 and Lux 2 for your pioneers, also add 5 experts to metallurgy, that will give you a better projection on the costs and profits for the base. You will gain experts over time {Reactions} ❤️ [10-Jan-25 03:45 PM] igfloz#0000 You also don't have to add 10 recipes per production. You will just ensure that you set them to repeat. Adding numbers to recipes will come in time, when you start mixing stuff up 🙂 [10-Jan-25 03:46 PM] wikifeia#0000 understood, thank you! [10-Jan-25 03:48 PM] igfloz#0000 Oh, and the biggest thing I have missed is you haven't set any STO - I recommend 2 [10-Jan-25 03:50 PM] wikifeia#0000 Understood, I'll add that. I wasn't expecting to be producing enough to need that much storage capacity [10-Jan-25 03:50 PM] archielvahr#0000 I think it's a good setup- you are pretty well aligned with the metallurgy COGC and that's the most efficient. So overall that big plan is good. [10-Jan-25 03:50 PM] archielvahr#0000 New players can manage fairly easily with less STO, but i personally always do two because I'm lazy and have a lot of bases [10-Jan-25 03:51 PM] archielvahr#0000 I can fund this plan now, if you'd like! [10-Jan-25 03:51 PM] wikifeia#0000 Would you recommend expanding to a second base only after my Deimos base is fully set up, or earlier? [10-Jan-25 03:51 PM] realharvey#0000 There is a button on prunplanner that tells you how many days until storage is full. That should be over 7 days at least in my opinion [10-Jan-25 03:51 PM] wikifeia#0000 I would appreciate that a lot, thank you! [10-Jan-25 03:52 PM] igfloz#0000 his plan shows 4.17 days [10-Jan-25 03:52 PM] wikifeia#0000 i think I'm generating 160 m^3 per day [10-Jan-25 03:53 PM] wikifeia#0000 after making the changes you suggested it decreased to 2.44, so I'll definitely be adding the additional storage, thank you [10-Jan-25 03:55 PM] igfloz#0000 Not that I'm doing it for you - I just wondered how I would approach it [10-Jan-25 03:56 PM] wikifeia#0000 interesting, would you ship those resources to a different planet for smelting or just sell them as is? [10-Jan-25 03:56 PM] igfloz#0000 I put the extra expert in resouce extraction (as you are allowed 6 experts total per base, but only 5 in one industry) [10-Jan-25 03:57 PM] igfloz#0000 I use the CX at ANT as a "central storage" - so all of my overspill goes there [10-Jan-25 03:58 PM] igfloz#0000 oh wait - I see that the link is not correct - Deleted now 😳 [10-Jan-25 03:58 PM] igfloz#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1327396254623338588/image.png?ex=68149758&is=681345d8&hm=d92bb546baff25cd680dda9a2df2f6e1d6464dda4f069f2ef56a617079e5807e& [10-Jan-25 03:59 PM] wikifeia#0000 @archielvahr thank you very much! [10-Jan-25 03:59 PM] igfloz#0000 👆 Thats what I was trying to show [10-Jan-25 04:01 PM] wikifeia#0000 I see I see [10-Jan-25 04:01 PM] wikifeia#0000 why so much surplus extraction? [10-Jan-25 04:01 PM] igfloz#0000 well, you can sell ALO & AL yes ? [10-Jan-25 04:01 PM] archielvahr#0000 3 new grant recipients in 3 days, very nice to see 😄 {Reactions} ❤️ (2) [10-Jan-25 04:02 PM] igfloz#0000 ...and even O [10-Jan-25 04:02 PM] roche3950#0000 hi yes hello who is selling AL [10-Jan-25 04:02 PM] roche3950#0000 :ablobwave: [10-Jan-25 04:03 PM] archielvahr#0000 You can always sell the ALO locally on Deimos, someone will always buy it. I guess I'd prefer to be mindful of the total income that you get for the permits [10-Jan-25 04:04 PM] archielvahr#0000 I personally don't bother extracting O on the planet, it's abundant elsewhere and you'll have empty ships going to Deimos anyway, so the small amount of importing for oxygen is easy. {Reactions} 👆 [10-Jan-25 04:04 PM] archielvahr#0000 Lemme check the various numbers for O extraction [10-Jan-25 04:04 PM] wikifeia#0000 I'm sure I can pivot out of it later, I'm honestly just primarily focused on simplifying my supply chain at the moment {Reactions} 👍 [10-Jan-25 04:06 PM] archielvahr#0000 Oh man I need an oxygen planet 😆 [10-Jan-25 04:07 PM] archielvahr#0000 Check out that beauty: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1327398479282049125/image.png?ex=6814996b&is=681347eb&hm=51793fe06db4348e93ca81b3be215802942318cc8104900c5aee09a0d501794c& [10-Jan-25 04:07 PM] archielvahr#0000 (sorry that's a distraction 🤣 ) [10-Jan-25 04:07 PM] igfloz#0000 I do O on SE-648c - but you know the planets 😄 [10-Jan-25 04:08 PM] igfloz#0000 jeez, thats a monster ! [10-Jan-25 04:08 PM] archielvahr#0000 Anyway, all your plans are in a good general area 😄 {Reactions} ❤️ [10-Jan-25 04:13 PM] igfloz#0000 ...anyhoo @wikifeia enjoy the AIC, go build your chosen start base ............ and I'm sure @roche3950 and maybe some others will hit you up to buy AL off you 😛 [10-Jan-25 04:13 PM] wikifeia#0000 haha as soon as I'm up and running I'm happy to sell to anyone [10-Jan-25 04:15 PM] igfloz#0000 if you find yourself looking for items, you can check out #trading {Reactions} ❤️ [10-Jan-25 04:15 PM] igfloz#0000 ..and #internal-offers [10-Jan-25 04:28 PM] jvaler#0000 i'd like to add that FLX on nike probably isn't the best idea. the on-site LST isn't really a benefit for it because it isn't logistically intensive, and the mismatched CoGC of the CHP makes it subpar profits. even among CHP recipes there's better things to make than FLX [10-Jan-25 04:28 PM] wikifeia#0000 What would you suggest? [10-Jan-25 04:29 PM] jvaler#0000 just more PP2 probably {Reactions} 👍 [10-Jan-25 06:18 PM] roche3950#0000 @_alecto {Reactions} praybless (2) [16-Jan-25 12:34 AM] iggydotexe#0000 I have a plan I would like to propose. How should I share the PRUNplanner link? [16-Jan-25 12:34 AM] iggydotexe#0000 I'd like to get feedback on it [16-Jan-25 12:34 AM] jvaler#0000 there's a share button in the top right [16-Jan-25 12:35 AM] iggydotexe#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/fd90cd0d-6c92-441c-8ee4-5f7855e8abf5 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/fd90cd0d-6c92-441c-8ee4-5f7855e8abf5 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [16-Jan-25 12:37 AM] jvaler#0000 okay first thing i notice is how many different industries you have on this [16-Jan-25 12:37 AM] jvaler#0000 harmonia is a planet with an agriculture CoGC, meaning matching industries get a +25% speed bonus which is very powerful [16-Jan-25 12:39 AM] jvaler#0000 additionally, the expert mechanic in this game rewards specialization. you can only assign up to 6 experts in a base, and only up to 5 per industry. and the bonus is much more impactful at the 4th, and 5th experts compared to the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd [16-Jan-25 12:40 AM] jvaler#0000 so you'd be much more cost effective to build something that aligns with these things, like FRMs [16-Jan-25 12:40 AM] jvaler#0000 https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/index.html {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/index.html Efficiency factors :: Prosperous Universe Handbook Prosperous Universe Wiki [16-Jan-25 12:40 AM] iggydotexe#0000 So literally just farms and selling crops? [16-Jan-25 12:41 AM] jvaler#0000 basically. you can also mix in some FP to process the crops on-site, as raw agri doesn't always sell too quickly [16-Jan-25 12:41 AM] jvaler#0000 they're profitable enough on their own to excuse not aligning with CoGC or experts [16-Jan-25 12:41 AM] iggydotexe#0000 I see, so make rations as efficiently as possible [16-Jan-25 12:41 AM] jvaler#0000 yup [16-Jan-25 12:42 AM] jvaler#0000 and later on you can deconstruct those FP and move them to a new base on norwick, where you can get the food industries CoGC bonus and 5 experts [16-Jan-25 12:43 AM] iggydotexe#0000 And what planet would have a CoGC with LAP and CHP? [16-Jan-25 12:43 AM] jvaler#0000 the link i sent has a list of which buildings are which industries [16-Jan-25 12:44 AM] jvaler#0000 but LABs and CHP are chemistry CoGC, which can be found on griffonstone, elon, and electronica [16-Jan-25 12:45 AM] jvaler#0000 there are a few other chem planets but those are the most popular, either for their triple green environment status(no hazard mitigation construction materials required) or for their proximity/resources [16-Jan-25 12:46 AM] jvaler#0000 if you wanna search the universe i recommend using taiyi's map and YAPT #prun-resources [16-Jan-25 12:48 AM] jcheung#0000 Should always strongly consider use of luxury too [16-Jan-25 12:48 AM] jvaler#0000 oh yes i missed that [16-Jan-25 12:48 AM] jcheung#0000 And expert assignment-first couple come fast [16-Jan-25 12:48 AM] jvaler#0000 it's basically always worth using luxury. in the cases it isn't, the recipe being made is most likely unprofitable in the first place [16-Jan-25 12:49 AM] jcheung#0000 I/O looks okay, not using all of the permit though... [16-Jan-25 12:49 AM] jcheung#0000 But the big issue jvaler pointed out already [16-Jan-25 12:50 AM] jvaler#0000 i gotta go to bed now, but i call dibs on paying for iggy's grant [16-Jan-25 12:50 AM] jvaler#0000 so if someone gets to it send me a cont to reimburse yourself [16-Jan-25 12:50 AM] jcheung#0000 You can dibs on that? [16-Jan-25 12:50 AM] jvaler#0000 🤷‍♀️ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1329342116404531262/image.png?ex=68151412&is=6813c292&hm=bcde32622f90ed2e42e93050aa4015e90071d2c89918fba7ecfe21f3e8d17754& [16-Jan-25 01:00 AM] iggydotexe#0000 ok its a work in progress [16-Jan-25 01:01 AM] iggydotexe#0000 but i'll happily accept the money [16-Jan-25 01:11 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I guess fix it in the mean time get money tomorrow? [16-Jan-25 04:38 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 You do need to be PRO (at least briefly) to get the money though, as I understand it. [16-Jan-25 07:39 AM] jvaler#0000 oh shit do they not have pro [16-Jan-25 07:39 AM] jvaler#0000 i assumed they did lol [16-Jan-25 10:36 AM] laaxus#0000 I can give a Pro code if he desires [16-Jan-25 10:37 AM] laaxus#0000 i Have like 20 of them sitting {Reactions} 👀 [16-Jan-25 10:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 A million aic is alot [16-Jan-25 10:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 How do i even use it [16-Jan-25 10:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 My only idea of how i could use that aic is to spam 20 FS and a bunch of housing, but that doesnt seem efficient at all [16-Jan-25 10:42 AM] laaxus#0000 2/4 on buildings 1/4 in consummables and input goods, 1/4 you keep it as cash [16-Jan-25 10:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 What kind of buildings though, especially for a DW base [16-Jan-25 10:43 AM] laaxus#0000 FP [16-Jan-25 10:43 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Jus FP [16-Jan-25 10:43 AM] .urpalhal#0000 And HB1 [16-Jan-25 10:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 Like only FP? [16-Jan-25 10:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 Damn ok [16-Jan-25 10:43 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ye [16-Jan-25 10:43 AM] .urpalhal#0000 It’s all you need for DW [16-Jan-25 10:45 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1329491648245268622/image.png?ex=6814f695&is=6813a515&hm=99f38b680ed6c1c9b8a2e3329f684938c07d68d05001b825f90dc03de7aa7a98& [16-Jan-25 10:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 What about storage? [16-Jan-25 10:45 AM] .urpalhal#0000 2 STO [16-Jan-25 10:45 AM] laaxus#0000 1 or two STO [16-Jan-25 10:45 AM] laaxus#0000 probably two [16-Jan-25 10:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah ok [16-Jan-25 10:45 AM] laaxus#0000 27 FP 11 HB1 2 STO [16-Jan-25 10:46 AM] laaxus#0000 that's roughly 1M AIC in buildings [16-Jan-25 10:46 AM] laaxus#0000 so build half a base [16-Jan-25 10:47 AM] pagy1234#0000 But i need some of that to go towards consumables [16-Jan-25 10:47 AM] laaxus#0000 . [16-Jan-25 10:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 What about 24 FP, 10 HB1 and 2 STO, which leaves me with about 240k to split for cash and consumables [16-Jan-25 10:48 AM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1329492436866830458/IMG_0120.png?ex=6814f751&is=6813a5d1&hm=587f083d9e9693f6b2248cefa1e948cb17fcb79e5b9f7450d6cf8ff98a611507& [16-Jan-25 10:48 AM] laaxus#0000 no [16-Jan-25 10:48 AM] laaxus#0000 keep a money buffer [16-Jan-25 10:48 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Use those prices for Fabs and TRU [16-Jan-25 10:48 AM] laaxus#0000 oh true, the internal market [16-Jan-25 10:49 AM] laaxus#0000 anyway, please keep at least 150k as money buffer [16-Jan-25 10:49 AM] pagy1234#0000 ?? [16-Jan-25 10:49 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ok [16-Jan-25 10:49 AM] laaxus#0000 internal market [16-Jan-25 10:49 AM] laaxus#0000 #internal-offers [16-Jan-25 10:49 AM] laaxus#0000 we sell things here at a lower price than market {Reactions} 👆 [16-Jan-25 10:50 AM] laaxus#0000 I just don't use it anymore so I forgot about it {Reactions} RSPepeSadMusic [16-Jan-25 10:50 AM] pagy1234#0000 Oh wow, thats very generous [16-Jan-25 10:50 AM] laaxus#0000 but yes, it's outstanding for a new player [16-Jan-25 10:50 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I consume too much for it to be worth trying to use [16-Jan-25 10:50 AM] pagy1234#0000 Absolutely, but it looks like im going to be sucking up all the stock instantly with this base [16-Jan-25 10:51 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Meh I got more [16-Jan-25 10:51 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Just gotta move it [16-Jan-25 10:51 AM] laaxus#0000 you think 1M is a lot [16-Jan-25 10:51 AM] .urpalhal#0000 And I’m playing catchup [16-Jan-25 10:51 AM] laaxus#0000 but it is not for us [16-Jan-25 10:51 AM] laaxus#0000 don't worry [16-Jan-25 10:51 AM] .urpalhal#0000 1 Mil disappears so quickly now :RSPepeSadMusic: [16-Jan-25 10:52 AM] pagy1234#0000 Oh😭 [16-Jan-25 10:52 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Granted I have like 20 bases [16-Jan-25 10:52 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Well 16 I think [16-Jan-25 10:53 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah I roughly earns 1M of profit per day [16-Jan-25 10:53 AM] laaxus#0000 1.5M actually [16-Jan-25 10:53 AM] pagy1234#0000 Dayum [16-Jan-25 10:53 AM] laaxus#0000 you'll get there if you play [16-Jan-25 10:54 AM] .urpalhal#0000 It’s ok you too can achieve the capitalist dream [16-Jan-25 10:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 18 FP, 8 BH1 and 2 STO leaves me with ~390k left. Thats easily 30+ days supply without H2O [16-Jan-25 10:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 Sounds good? [16-Jan-25 10:57 AM] laaxus#0000 KEEP CASH AS BUFFER [16-Jan-25 10:57 AM] laaxus#0000 or do not [16-Jan-25 10:57 AM] laaxus#0000 and learn [16-Jan-25 10:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 I have 390k😭 [16-Jan-25 10:57 AM] laaxus#0000 and you'll spend most of it on consummables [16-Jan-25 10:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 ~200k pure cash even after 10 days [16-Jan-25 10:57 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Before or after consumables ? [16-Jan-25 10:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 Before [16-Jan-25 10:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ok fine [16-Jan-25 10:58 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm just trying for you to dodge a mistake we all did [16-Jan-25 10:58 AM] laaxus#0000 but that's all ok [16-Jan-25 10:58 AM] laaxus#0000 we all went there [16-Jan-25 10:58 AM] laaxus#0000 so you'll learn painfully, sooner or later (it's not bad) [16-Jan-25 10:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 13 FP, 6 HB1, 2 STO [16-Jan-25 10:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 540k cash before consumables [16-Jan-25 10:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 Roi 7 days [16-Jan-25 10:59 AM] laaxus#0000 That would be good You could increase your base with your profit [16-Jan-25 10:59 AM] laaxus#0000 in like a week or so [16-Jan-25 10:59 AM] laaxus#0000 that's great [16-Jan-25 10:59 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I don’t make mistakes just happy accidents [16-Jan-25 10:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 300k cash after consumables {Reactions} link_cool [16-Jan-25 10:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 H2O is bloody expensive [16-Jan-25 10:59 AM] laaxus#0000 learning not to spend all your money at once is valuable [16-Jan-25 10:59 AM] .urpalhal#0000 It used to be worse [16-Jan-25 10:59 AM] laaxus#0000 it's so cheap [16-Jan-25 11:00 AM] laaxus#0000 you don't realise it [16-Jan-25 11:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 On that 540k i can afford MAYBE 6 days worth [16-Jan-25 11:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 😭 [16-Jan-25 11:00 AM] .urpalhal#0000 It’s ok you can’t fit a lot of water in your ship yet [16-Jan-25 11:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 Big problem [16-Jan-25 11:01 AM] laaxus#0000 I shipped 1000 HER to norwick last trip Look how expensive that looks [16-Jan-25 11:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 Base needs tons 6250 H2O a day [16-Jan-25 11:01 AM] .urpalhal#0000 `fit H2O 500t 500m3 [16-Jan-25 11:01 AM] FIDO#2937 {Embed} Max Units 2500 H2O Remaining Weight 0.00t Remaining Volume 0.00m³ [16-Jan-25 11:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 Jesus [16-Jan-25 11:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 32h round trip aswell [16-Jan-25 11:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 I can operate maybe 5 FS ? [16-Jan-25 11:01 AM] laaxus#0000 yes, H2O is shipping heavy [16-Jan-25 11:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 How do i buy ships? [16-Jan-25 11:02 AM] laaxus#0000 however, you can get ship upgrade at the adi 😄 [16-Jan-25 11:02 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You buy parts and build them [16-Jan-25 11:02 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Costs more than the grant [16-Jan-25 11:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 Bro😭 [16-Jan-25 11:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ok, i downsize first, upgrade later [16-Jan-25 11:02 AM] laaxus#0000 Around 5M per ship [16-Jan-25 11:02 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So find a nice fren to get some H2O shipping help [16-Jan-25 11:02 AM] laaxus#0000 Upgrade is around 1.3M [16-Jan-25 11:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 BRO [16-Jan-25 11:03 AM] laaxus#0000 If things weren't expensive, there would be no point playing [16-Jan-25 11:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 If i have 8 FS, 4 HB1 and 1 STO, I can keep all 8 running 24/7 [16-Jan-25 11:04 AM] laaxus#0000 imagine exponential growth for players that have been playing for years [16-Jan-25 11:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 Fair point [16-Jan-25 11:04 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Maybe 🤔 [16-Jan-25 11:05 AM] pagy1234#0000 8 FS, 4 HB1 and 1 STO. 540k free cash after consumables [16-Jan-25 11:05 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Norwick could be base 2 and then start with farm on harmonia? [16-Jan-25 11:05 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ships already moving [16-Jan-25 11:05 AM] pagy1234#0000 3 days for next coliq [16-Jan-25 11:05 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh [16-Jan-25 11:05 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Hmm [16-Jan-25 11:05 AM] laaxus#0000 nah no point coliqing [16-Jan-25 11:05 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah [16-Jan-25 11:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Make some rats too maybe? [16-Jan-25 11:06 AM] laaxus#0000 RAT are as SHIPPING heavy [16-Jan-25 11:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 lol [16-Jan-25 11:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I don’t make rats [16-Jan-25 11:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I just make DW on Phobos so I got no thoughts [16-Jan-25 11:07 AM] laaxus#0000 I produce FIM, it's not that shipping heavy and still profitable [16-Jan-25 11:07 AM] laaxus#0000 (but it requires a ton of capital) [16-Jan-25 11:07 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Some HER? And some RATs [16-Jan-25 11:07 AM] .urpalhal#0000 ? [16-Jan-25 11:07 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, 1 HER 2 RAT [16-Jan-25 11:08 AM] laaxus#0000 One trip per 15 days or so [16-Jan-25 11:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 ? [16-Jan-25 11:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 Too many abreviations [16-Jan-25 11:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 Im lost [16-Jan-25 11:08 AM] .urpalhal#0000 FIM is spicy food [16-Jan-25 11:08 AM] .urpalhal#0000 RAT is normal food [16-Jan-25 11:08 AM] .urpalhal#0000 HER is spicy peppers [16-Jan-25 11:08 AM] laaxus#0000 RATs are cheap food FIM is medium food MEA is Premium food [16-Jan-25 11:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 Oh kk [16-Jan-25 11:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 I cant make any of the 3 [16-Jan-25 11:09 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean you *could* [16-Jan-25 11:09 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Just need the stuff to make it at a FP [16-Jan-25 11:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 Would have to inport RAT, HER and MTP [16-Jan-25 11:10 AM] laaxus#0000 don't [16-Jan-25 11:10 AM] laaxus#0000 it requires capital [16-Jan-25 11:10 AM] laaxus#0000 that you don't have [16-Jan-25 11:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 👍 [16-Jan-25 11:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 HER is pricy [16-Jan-25 11:10 AM] laaxus#0000 produce either RAT or DW [16-Jan-25 11:10 AM] laaxus#0000 HER on the CX is overpriced [16-Jan-25 11:11 AM] .urpalhal#0000 True [16-Jan-25 11:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 Dw for sure, dont have anything for RAT on norwich [16-Jan-25 11:11 AM] laaxus#0000 (because I buy every HER that is not overpriced KEKW) [16-Jan-25 11:11 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I make and sell on CX [16-Jan-25 11:13 AM] pagy1234#0000 Rat? [16-Jan-25 11:13 AM] .urpalhal#0000 HER [16-Jan-25 11:13 AM] pagy1234#0000 Oh lol [16-Jan-25 11:13 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I don’t touch 🐀 [16-Jan-25 11:14 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Anywho [16-Jan-25 11:14 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Enough about me back to you 😅 [16-Jan-25 11:14 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1329499056883368061/image.png?ex=6814fd7c&is=6813abfc&hm=b1365ab3c3a45d9c47d8bf69af5e259e09f6c4ef252c9048d218d84a1bc7a260& [16-Jan-25 11:14 AM] laaxus#0000 HER is the best ROI recipe [16-Jan-25 11:14 AM] laaxus#0000 for FRM [16-Jan-25 11:14 AM] jcheung#0000 if you have a buyer [16-Jan-25 11:15 AM] laaxus#0000 (I am the buyer) [16-Jan-25 11:15 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So about them FPs [16-Jan-25 11:16 AM] pagy1234#0000 I can do 10 [16-Jan-25 11:16 AM] pagy1234#0000 If i make ships move faster [16-Jan-25 11:16 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Well don’t make them move too fast [16-Jan-25 11:16 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Bc like waste [16-Jan-25 11:17 AM] laaxus#0000 he could take the ship kit upgrade [16-Jan-25 11:17 AM] pagy1234#0000 Well not too fast, but currently round trip is ~32h, if i can get down to 24-26h then im golden [16-Jan-25 11:17 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh try clicking multiple times [16-Jan-25 11:17 AM] laaxus#0000 My rule of thumb for shipping is : 1) I max FF fuel consumption 2) I put SF fuel consumption at roughly 200 [16-Jan-25 11:18 AM] .urpalhal#0000 There is this multi route weirdness glitch [16-Jan-25 11:19 AM] pagy1234#0000 Nvm, round trip is probably ~38h [16-Jan-25 11:19 AM] pagy1234#0000 I cant get exact number because all my ships are moving [16-Jan-25 11:19 AM] laaxus#0000 nah it's not that long [16-Jan-25 11:19 AM] laaxus#0000 time varies [16-Jan-25 11:19 AM] laaxus#0000 because of planet alignment [16-Jan-25 11:20 AM] laaxus#0000 you won't get the same trip duration every time [16-Jan-25 11:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 This is across like 4 systems rho? [16-Jan-25 11:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 Oh kk [16-Jan-25 11:20 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Like sometimes from ANT to Deimos is like 9 hours but then I click and get shorter times down to 4 hours [16-Jan-25 11:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 Il give high estimate as 38, and low as 32h [16-Jan-25 11:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 Damn wth [16-Jan-25 11:21 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Some weird pathing thing they’ve got going on [16-Jan-25 11:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/b97b2516-b71e-484b-b35d-b5cf31112216 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/b97b2516-b71e-484b-b35d-b5cf31112216 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [16-Jan-25 11:23 AM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1329501361217208512/IMG_0122.png?ex=6814ffa1&is=6813ae21&hm=ceadfbb21b369d6c1a4ae817396c52d4fc143a11b7721cec18a5bf3faaea1278& [16-Jan-25 11:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 Where can i use that? [16-Jan-25 11:24 AM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1329501636699099247/IMG_0123.png?ex=6814ffe3&is=6813ae63&hm=8501a11912db761497f010164fd1627579a8b815fee9a5eb8677e8dc08011860& [16-Jan-25 11:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ohh [16-Jan-25 11:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 Wait no, so its fine then [16-Jan-25 11:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 Shipping isnt as huge a deal [16-Jan-25 11:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 This setup works [16-Jan-25 11:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 With a little wiggleroom aswell that i can optimise slowly [16-Jan-25 11:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 1mil Grant plan: Construction: 8x FP 4x BH1 2x STO Cost: 320k aic +-5% Consumables for 5 days: 8x COF 5000x H2O 8x OVE 3x PWO 64x RAT Cost: ~195k aic (175k from H20) +-10% Total spending until expected roi (9days) : 320k + 350k = 780k, 220k 100% free cash [16-Jan-25 11:34 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok 👍 [16-Jan-25 11:35 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Sent you the contract for the grant [16-Jan-25 11:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 Thank you so much [16-Jan-25 11:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 Accepted [16-Jan-25 11:37 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Then you can terminate it [16-Jan-25 11:37 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You got you’re money you’re good [16-Jan-25 11:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 Done, thank alot. Will get started on my plan [16-Jan-25 11:51 AM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/hai-gif-10567033442484308038 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/hai-gif-10567033442484308038 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ld_0Wo1q4IxGmtWQtifWh-z9fShYLU5YqOi1c5MV0WU/https/media.tenor.com/kqWk7ezzSEYAAAAe/hai.png [16-Jan-25 11:53 AM] pagy1234#0000 :D [16-Jan-25 11:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 all orders in, Good night :D {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1329508999502102609/Screenshot_2025-01-17_at_1.53.48_AM.png?ex=681506be&is=6813b53e&hm=52a4bf50d3835060c2025f0044bc2c8973fa20ecaef1c992d6dd8054b0826ee1& [16-Jan-25 11:54 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Did you sent me a cont for the building materials ? [16-Jan-25 11:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 wdym? [16-Jan-25 11:55 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Did you buy from CX? [16-Jan-25 11:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah? [16-Jan-25 11:55 AM] laaxus#0000 seems like it [16-Jan-25 11:55 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh ok 🤷‍♂️ [16-Jan-25 11:55 AM] laaxus#0000 you forgot about the internal market [16-Jan-25 11:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh shooot [16-Jan-25 11:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah [16-Jan-25 11:55 AM] laaxus#0000 it's ok [16-Jan-25 11:56 AM] laaxus#0000 Buying from market is never bad [16-Jan-25 11:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 i hope its not like 30% cheaper or smt 😭 [16-Jan-25 11:56 AM] laaxus#0000 it kinda is [16-Jan-25 11:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 uh oh [16-Jan-25 11:56 AM] laaxus#0000 that's the point of the internal market [16-Jan-25 11:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 damn [16-Jan-25 11:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 well that sucks [16-Jan-25 11:57 AM] laaxus#0000 it's ok [16-Jan-25 11:57 AM] igfloz#0000 you'll get the hang of it [16-Jan-25 11:57 AM] .urpalhal#0000 It’s ok [16-Jan-25 11:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 im still well within safe threshold though [16-Jan-25 11:57 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Exactly [16-Jan-25 11:57 AM] laaxus#0000 to send your ship too fast is also a valuable lessons you'll learn over time [16-Jan-25 11:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah D: [16-Jan-25 11:57 AM] laaxus#0000 you'll learn to quadruple check you did not forget anything [16-Jan-25 11:57 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Just use it when you do your base expansion [16-Jan-25 11:57 AM] laaxus#0000 believe me 😄 [16-Jan-25 11:57 AM] igfloz#0000 ...you may also find people to "partner up" with, where you can both benefit from maybe supplying each other with specific items [16-Jan-25 11:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 will do from now on lol [16-Jan-25 11:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 sry [16-Jan-25 11:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 😅 [16-Jan-25 11:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh yeah, might be a good idea [16-Jan-25 11:59 AM] .urpalhal#0000 We don’t me to like rag on you or anything like that [16-Jan-25 11:59 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Just like giving pointers on what we’ve seen with our own bases [16-Jan-25 11:59 AM] igfloz#0000 lol, no you wont. Just wait, you'll see people screaming because they checked 5 times and still forgot something 😄 [16-Jan-25 11:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 hahaha [16-Jan-25 11:59 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I over check and still fuck up [16-Jan-25 11:59 AM] laaxus#0000 don't apologize [16-Jan-25 11:59 AM] laaxus#0000 nothing worth apologizing {Reactions} 👍 [16-Jan-25 12:00 PM] pagy1234#0000 might be me pretty soon if i ordered wrong number of things lol [16-Jan-25 12:00 PM] pagy1234#0000 hope not tho [16-Jan-25 12:00 PM] pagy1234#0000 would be sad D: [16-Jan-25 12:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I send ships empty forget one thing send ships to wrong place {Reactions} 👆 (2) [16-Jan-25 12:00 PM] laaxus#0000 at some point you'll send a ship, then realise 10s later that you forgot to put something in the cargo [16-Jan-25 12:00 PM] laaxus#0000 Then you'll cancel the trip [16-Jan-25 12:01 PM] pagy1234#0000 they gotta fly all the way to orbit still [16-Jan-25 12:01 PM] laaxus#0000 and that'll be painful [16-Jan-25 12:01 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah [16-Jan-25 12:01 PM] igfloz#0000 you can abort, but yeah, 5 min cooldown to get into orbit, then another 5 min to land again [16-Jan-25 12:02 PM] jcheung#0000 did i accidentally take your book? [16-Jan-25 12:02 PM] jcheung#0000 this last month has been just packed with ships sent to the wrong spot [16-Jan-25 12:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I rush to get things done in my spare time and then screw thing up [16-Jan-25 12:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Heh [16-Jan-25 12:03 PM] pagy1234#0000 alr, I need to sleep, Goodnight everyone, thanks for the investment :D [16-Jan-25 12:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Gn [16-Jan-25 12:06 PM] iggydotexe#0000 do go on... [16-Jan-25 12:08 PM] laaxus#0000 ok I have 7 keys to give [16-Jan-25 12:08 PM] laaxus#0000 dm'd you [16-Jan-25 12:35 PM] iggydotexe#0000 Okay i have a plan to start up a brewery let me know what you think Phase 1: Grow food/manufacture rations on Harmonia https://prunplanner.org/shared/64fe8160-1de1-4cef-9c89-1283567c9116 Phase 2: Establish base on Griffonstone (CHEM COCG) to make chems needed for growing hops https://prunplanner.org/shared/903fcc99-daee-4295-b7e0-d7eb7c2be7ac Phase 3: Establish base on Norwick for making ale/rations (Food COCG) {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/64fe8160-1de1-4cef-9c89-1283567c9116 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/903fcc99-daee-4295-b7e0-d7eb7c2be7ac PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [16-Jan-25 12:36 PM] laaxus#0000 you should grow vegetables on harmonia, but manufacture food on norwick [16-Jan-25 12:36 PM] iggydotexe#0000 lol i hit enter early [16-Jan-25 12:37 PM] iggydotexe#0000 should i do norwick first before Griffonstonre? [16-Jan-25 12:37 PM] laaxus#0000 just a question, what is fun to you [16-Jan-25 12:37 PM] laaxus#0000 is it making profit ? [16-Jan-25 12:37 PM] laaxus#0000 is it doing specific ? [16-Jan-25 12:37 PM] iggydotexe#0000 i just wanna stay afloat and build wealth by making the best beer/wine/whatever in the galaxy [16-Jan-25 12:38 PM] iggydotexe#0000 bit of an interstellar brewery roleplay i guess [16-Jan-25 12:38 PM] iggydotexe#0000 I want feedback on my planning phase to make sure ime not missing anything [16-Jan-25 12:40 PM] laaxus#0000 I honestly would recommend doing DW and RAT at first, just to build up wealth [16-Jan-25 12:40 PM] laaxus#0000 and then transition to doing whatever you want [16-Jan-25 12:40 PM] laaxus#0000 ofc you can do wine ale stuff, but you'll grow much slower [16-Jan-25 12:40 PM] laaxus#0000 furthermore [16-Jan-25 12:40 PM] laaxus#0000 know that, long term, it's really hard to specialise in only one thing [16-Jan-25 12:40 PM] laaxus#0000 You'd have to spread far and wide [16-Jan-25 12:41 PM] laaxus#0000 which will cost you a lot in ships [16-Jan-25 12:41 PM] laaxus#0000 so most people stay in a faction and build a bit of everything [16-Jan-25 12:41 PM] laaxus#0000 this is just informations, you should still do what's fun to you at the end of the day [16-Jan-25 12:42 PM] iggydotexe#0000 thats good advice. I can set up a good money maker on Harmonia first and expand from there. I think the hard part for the ale setup is the shipment lines between 3 planets [16-Jan-25 12:43 PM] laaxus#0000 I'd recommend at least 2 independant bases that makes money [16-Jan-25 12:43 PM] laaxus#0000 before trying to do something a bit more irsky [16-Jan-25 12:44 PM] iggydotexe#0000 on griffonstone and harmonia, I'll set up seperate chem and DW/RAT plants. Once I get them up and running I can merge production toward Norwick? Or do you reccommend to go second base on norwick first to boost RAT production? [16-Jan-25 12:45 PM] laaxus#0000 I'd first do either harmonia or norwick full base (preference for norwick) then do the other one [16-Jan-25 12:45 PM] laaxus#0000 what kind of chem building do you need ? [16-Jan-25 12:46 PM] laaxus#0000 CHP are very profitable right now, so that's an option too [16-Jan-25 12:46 PM] iggydotexe#0000 yeah i was looking at CHP [16-Jan-25 12:46 PM] laaxus#0000 doing CL is very profitable [16-Jan-25 12:47 PM] laaxus#0000 Either a CHP or FP base is fine [16-Jan-25 12:47 PM] laaxus#0000 they both have insane RoI [16-Jan-25 12:47 PM] iggydotexe#0000 yes. Mine HAL and import H20 to make CL+NA2 [16-Jan-25 12:47 PM] laaxus#0000 tho CHP base can be hard on HAL transport [16-Jan-25 12:47 PM] laaxus#0000 make sure to check it's ok [16-Jan-25 12:47 PM] laaxus#0000 you don't have to mine it at first [16-Jan-25 12:47 PM] iggydotexe#0000 HAL exists on Griffonstone luckily. I would have to ship over water from Harmonia [16-Jan-25 12:47 PM] laaxus#0000 you can just buy it from @.urpalhal [16-Jan-25 12:48 PM] laaxus#0000 he's **literally** the HAL guy [16-Jan-25 12:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I am drowning in HAL {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1329522664141754480/image0.jpg?ex=68151378&is=6813c1f8&hm=e4eb425b4542b3ea85b042364856b7045c02f5585f3076cb6b8c3a2c20fbe4c2& [16-Jan-25 12:48 PM] iggydotexe#0000 ah good to know. With the grant does it make sense to just set up a quarry on my own? [16-Jan-25 12:48 PM] laaxus#0000 no [16-Jan-25 12:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 HAL is chunky [16-Jan-25 12:49 PM] laaxus#0000 Either make a CHP base and buy HAL from Hal98 [16-Jan-25 12:49 PM] laaxus#0000 Or make a FP base on Norwick [16-Jan-25 12:49 PM] laaxus#0000 is what I'd recommend [16-Jan-25 12:49 PM] laaxus#0000 A FRM base on harmonia isn't a bad choice either [16-Jan-25 12:49 PM] iggydotexe#0000 thats what i currently have on harmonia [16-Jan-25 12:50 PM] laaxus#0000 then either fp or chp [16-Jan-25 12:50 PM] laaxus#0000 both are insanely worth it [16-Jan-25 12:50 PM] iggydotexe#0000 thats good advice thanks [16-Jan-25 12:51 PM] iggydotexe#0000 currently I'm just burning mai for C [16-Jan-25 12:51 PM] iggydotexe#0000 I'll go to Norwick first for food processing, then Griffonstone for CHP {Reactions} 👍 [16-Jan-25 04:30 PM] jvaler#0000 once you get enough FP for it to become an issue, remember that we have 0% interest loans available for our #psk-information WCB upgrade kits. it comes out to just 15k/d in repayment, which should be easily managable with any decently profitable base [16-Jan-25 04:31 PM] jvaler#0000 @iggydotexe did you get your grant? [16-Jan-25 05:39 PM] pagy1234#0000 Oh nice, yeah il look into that [16-Jan-25 06:25 PM] pagy1234#0000 I do still have 91k worth of materials that havent been filled [16-Jan-25 06:25 PM] pagy1234#0000 im going to try and send you a contract in a sec [16-Jan-25 06:30 PM] pagy1234#0000 if i do use the internal market, where do i order too? [16-Jan-25 06:30 PM] pagy1234#0000 just ANT station? [16-Jan-25 06:30 PM] pagy1234#0000 or where I need the materials [16-Jan-25 06:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yo just message them and then send them a CONT if they say it’s ok [16-Jan-25 06:31 PM] pagy1234#0000 wait message who [16-Jan-25 06:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And yeah usually the materials will be at ANT unless otherwise specified [16-Jan-25 06:31 PM] pagy1234#0000 ah ok [16-Jan-25 06:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The person who you want to buy from [16-Jan-25 11:03 PM] iggydotexe#0000 not yet just got a prime acct [18-Jan-25 10:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 Little update on the grant I was given incase you guys are interested: [18-Jan-25 10:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 Total spending estimation is pretty spot on somehow, used up around 650k by now, and only small payments left whilst iI just finished first production order of about 70k worth of DW, so looking good on that front. [18-Jan-25 10:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 I have alot more wiggle room than I thought I would have, can start expanding as soon as I feel comfortable running it as it is. [18-Jan-25 10:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 Not far off, sometimes I canget lucky with the orbits and get (potentialy) a 24h round trip, but im getting around 15-17h per leg, so if I exclude waiting times i can in practice get consistent 32h trips [18-Jan-25 10:33 AM] pagy1234#0000 Looks like it, but somethings to watch out for the future is that H2O market is thrashing itself while the value of DW looks to be steadily declining, at least for now. Everything should be fine for the forseable future but its something im constantly looking at. {Reactions} ✌️ [18-Jan-25 10:35 AM] pagy1234#0000 (H2O price is up 9%, DW is down 3% last i checked) [18-Jan-25 10:39 AM] sidepipe#0000 Nice to hear! Margins on DW will definitely fluctuate, but I doubt you'll ever lose money making it {Reactions} 🫡 [18-Jan-25 10:40 AM] sidepipe#0000 At least, barring any market craziness that none of us can predict 😄 [18-Jan-25 10:47 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah, even with the slight lower margins i should have all my money back by the end of next week :D [18-Jan-25 10:49 AM] pagy1234#0000 Lets not jinx it lmao, i dont need anything to happen right now😁 [18-Jan-25 03:23 PM] jvaler#0000 do you have a plan made? i think i've missed some conversation [18-Jan-25 03:23 PM] jvaler#0000 wanna get you your grant asap, or whenever you're ready [20-Jan-25 12:04 AM] iggydotexe#0000 i do have a 3-part plan. Basically working toward developing ALE production on Norwick. I can send you the prunplanner links [20-Jan-25 12:14 AM] pagy1234#0000 I provide slightly discounted DW on the Norwick LM, might benefit you :D [20-Jan-25 12:14 AM] pagy1234#0000 market is around 112pu, i sell at 107pu [20-Jan-25 12:18 AM] iggydotexe#0000 i will for sure note that [20-Jan-25 12:18 AM] iggydotexe#0000 its a little daunting to set up but i think i have the idea of what i need to do [20-Jan-25 12:19 AM] iggydotexe#0000 my full set up will cost more than 1 mil (mainly the orchard price is .5 mil) so I have to set up something profitable first [20-Jan-25 12:40 AM] jvaler#0000 alright i trust you'll do well, sent you the grant [20-Jan-25 12:40 AM] iggydotexe#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/64fe8160-1de1-4cef-9c89-1283567c9116 https://prunplanner.org/shared/8f4b71d0-a082-4a37-83a1-4cfd6fda8f95 https://prunplanner.org/shared/dac0e59b-6b6f-46e0-901d-29fe0cbf8939 Phase 1,2,3^ -Ignore the orchard for now on phase 1, its just so i can see the final costs. -Phase 2 should be profitable, and is scalable -Phase 3 is doable once I can afford the 3rd base and the Orchard. Then all RAT production will be moved over there. Questions: -Does it make sense to set up a rig on my Phase 1 Harmonia for independent H20 early on when producing rations for sale? Please let me know any advice you have or information you would like to receive. Thanks for taking a look and let me know how to get the grant started! {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/64fe8160-1de1-4cef-9c89-1283567c9116 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/8f4b71d0-a082-4a37-83a1-4cfd6fda8f95 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/dac0e59b-6b6f-46e0-901d-29fe0cbf8939 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [20-Jan-25 12:41 AM] jvaler#0000 first link is broken i think [20-Jan-25 12:42 AM] jvaler#0000 there's not really a reason to make RIGs on harmonia, it's unprofitable and you don't save any logistics [20-Jan-25 12:43 AM] iggydotexe#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/e6c3a814-9876-49c1-9ae0-c8ce1bdc7625 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/e6c3a814-9876-49c1-9ae0-c8ce1bdc7625 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [20-Jan-25 12:43 AM] iggydotexe#0000 ^fixed first link [20-Jan-25 12:43 AM] jvaler#0000 these plans each have very few buildings, you're not planning on making all 3 core modules right away are you? [20-Jan-25 12:45 AM] iggydotexe#0000 no, one at a time. First beefing up my Harmonia, then building on Griffonstone, then settling on Norwick when I have enough money. Maybe get to Norwick in a month or more after my bases start to show dividends. Is that a reasonable plan? [20-Jan-25 12:47 AM] jvaler#0000 okay yeah that sounds good [20-Jan-25 12:57 AM] iggydotexe#0000 Grant received! I'll get buying materials! thank you I'll be sure to keep you updated [20-Jan-25 01:05 AM] jvaler#0000 good luck 🙌 [31-Jan-25 06:08 AM] cactu55#0000 Hey all, just upgraded to pro so wanted to take advantage of the grant. HRB farm for now on Harmonia: https://prunplanner.org/shared/673e8f26-2066-4cfd-be79-e9b6dd8f39dc and then possibly transition into C/Food from there. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/673e8f26-2066-4cfd-be79-e9b6dd8f39dc PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [31-Jan-25 06:39 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I'm not one of the offical people, but some quick thoughts: - You should configure experts in the plan, since you'll get the first few pretty quick anyway (and they give you an idea of long term shipping sustainability). - Your inputs (DDT's current situation aside) are relatively cheap, why stop at only 2 FRM when the grant is for 1M? [31-Jan-25 06:40 AM] cactu55#0000 oop sorry I had it setup like that [31-Jan-25 06:41 AM] cactu55#0000 but then changed back to what i currently have [31-Jan-25 06:41 AM] cactu55#0000 but good idea! [31-Jan-25 06:59 AM] cactu55#0000 Not sure why the profit/costs aren't coming up in the shared version [31-Jan-25 07:12 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Probably the shared version doesn't have a CX assigned. (I've even noticed this when I look at my own shared plans in incognito) I just copied the plan and assigned it a CX/empire myself. {Reactions} 👆 [31-Jan-25 07:14 AM] realharvey#0000 Yep thats exactly the reason why it does not show up [31-Jan-25 07:14 AM] cactu55#0000 Weird, I deleted it and did it again but doesn't work [31-Jan-25 07:14 AM] cactu55#0000 Don't know how to attach the CX to the shared one [31-Jan-25 07:14 AM] realharvey#0000 you can't [31-Jan-25 07:15 AM] cactu55#0000 Oh I see [31-Jan-25 07:15 AM] realharvey#0000 it's easy to just use a copy and attach a fitting CX setting to check it {Reactions} 🫡 [31-Jan-25 08:31 AM] cactu55#0000 Do I need to add anything else to recieve the grant? [31-Jan-25 08:34 AM] jvaler#0000 if i understand correctly it's just a 13 FRM HER base? looks good to me if so, i can send it right away [31-Jan-25 08:35 AM] jvaler#0000 went ahead and sent [31-Jan-25 08:35 AM] sidepipe#0000 beat me to it 😄 [31-Jan-25 08:37 AM] sidepipe#0000 @cactu55 just be aware that agricultural products can sometimes sit on the CX for a while, but that probably isn’t the case for HER right now [31-Jan-25 08:37 AM] cactu55#0000 That's it for now! [31-Jan-25 08:37 AM] cactu55#0000 Yeah, I might ride this wave and then convert to C production [31-Jan-25 08:37 AM] jvaler#0000 and if that does happen it's very easy to diversify FRMs, just add more recipes to the queue [31-Jan-25 08:38 AM] sidepipe#0000 Sounds like a good plan 🙂 [31-Jan-25 08:38 AM] cactu55#0000 I think I accepted it [31-Jan-25 08:38 AM] jvaler#0000 yup [31-Jan-25 08:38 AM] jvaler#0000 you've got your money now [31-Jan-25 08:38 AM] cactu55#0000 Perfect, thank you so much! [31-Jan-25 08:39 AM] jvaler#0000 no problem :D [31-Jan-25 08:40 AM] sidepipe#0000 Also, just so you know, I sell DDT internally for 3k/u 🙂 [31-Jan-25 08:42 AM] sidepipe#0000 So you can save some money instead of buying it off the CX (probably also from me) [31-Jan-25 08:42 AM] cactu55#0000 would I need to pick it up from anywhere? [31-Jan-25 08:43 AM] sidepipe#0000 It’s all at Antares Station, so same place you’d be going for the CX - you can check my stock and prices in #internal-offers 🙂 [31-Jan-25 08:44 AM] cactu55#0000 Perfect, I definitely do need some. [31-Jan-25 09:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Check the #internal-offers for construction materials and consumables - takes your grant a little bit further 😉 [31-Jan-25 09:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Also, if nobody happens to have bfabs or lfabs, dm me what you need. Have some of them on stock at ANT [31-Jan-25 09:12 AM] cactu55#0000 Messaged a few people already, thank you! {Reactions} 👌 [31-Jan-25 09:27 PM] sobyshka#0000 Ok. So. I read... Like several words here and there, and i want to give money to someone who want to get that money. @jvaler What do i do? [31-Jan-25 09:28 PM] sobyshka#0000 Im also want to use this oportunity to convince people to join burn. Free base+easy income [01-Feb-25 12:08 AM] jvaler#0000 just gotta be online to get first dibs on sending the grant. like #agp-information says, it's first come first serve in that regard [01-Feb-25 12:09 AM] jvaler#0000 here's some ad examples i sent out a while ago if you wanna make your own {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1335129869046120540/image.png?ex=68150a56&is=6813b8d6&hm=41731dbde24f2d3adfe16a18f68585542b07f855f655d86d642b82885053c050& [03-Feb-25 08:29 AM] garoo2004#0000 Hallo! [03-Feb-25 08:30 AM] garoo2004#0000 I would like to take a grant [03-Feb-25 08:30 AM] garoo2004#0000 i have 3 bases in mind, namely in harmonia, nemesis and etherwind [03-Feb-25 08:34 AM] garoo2004#0000 after consulting with a few corp members, ive decided to go full farming as of now, despite starting as carbon farmer [03-Feb-25 08:35 AM] garoo2004#0000 for now i want to fully upgrade my base on harmonia to produce HER, as it seems to be very lucrative [03-Feb-25 08:35 AM] garoo2004#0000 then, i will move on to nemesis to set up another farming base [03-Feb-25 08:35 AM] laaxus#0000 It is currently very lucrative but keep in mind that it will probably change in the following week(s ?) [03-Feb-25 08:36 AM] laaxus#0000 many many people started HER frms [03-Feb-25 08:36 AM] laaxus#0000 however it is currently very lucrative [03-Feb-25 08:36 AM] laaxus#0000 and it's easy to change FRM recipe [03-Feb-25 08:36 AM] laaxus#0000 just don't believe you'll keep this kind of profit forever [03-Feb-25 08:36 AM] garoo2004#0000 yeah, if anything, ill just change to GRN [03-Feb-25 08:36 AM] laaxus#0000 current HER price is absurd [03-Feb-25 08:36 AM] laaxus#0000 HER and FIM prices are bound to lower [03-Feb-25 08:37 AM] garoo2004#0000 lastly, im thinking of setting up on eetherwind to supply water for my other two farming bases, and might diversify to carbon farming as well [03-Feb-25 08:38 AM] garoo2004#0000 so its like the three bases can supply each other yknow [03-Feb-25 08:43 AM] garoo2004#0000 anyway these are the bases' plans: [03-Feb-25 08:44 AM] garoo2004#0000 harmonia: https://prunplanner.org/shared/3fee8e30-8f26-4af5-bf3e-0f30fe503ef5 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/3fee8e30-8f26-4af5-bf3e-0f30fe503ef5 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [03-Feb-25 08:44 AM] garoo2004#0000 nemesis: https://prunplanner.org/shared/2c5a51e6-c55d-4745-b813-df99a7ffe127 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/2c5a51e6-c55d-4745-b813-df99a7ffe127 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [03-Feb-25 08:46 AM] garoo2004#0000 etherwind https://prunplanner.org/shared/ba4f0fa5-1ffe-4aa4-a16c-950249a3ea6f {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/ba4f0fa5-1ffe-4aa4-a16c-950249a3ea6f PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [03-Feb-25 09:11 AM] jvaler#0000 just fyi, AGP funds aren't meant to be used for development outside of antares. i trust you to handle that yourself though [03-Feb-25 09:11 AM] garoo2004#0000 ohhh [03-Feb-25 09:11 AM] garoo2004#0000 yeah the otehr two planets are at benten lol [03-Feb-25 09:12 AM] laaxus#0000 just drop a base on norwick 😎 [03-Feb-25 09:12 AM] garoo2004#0000 norwick? [03-Feb-25 09:12 AM] garoo2004#0000 ill check that one [03-Feb-25 09:12 AM] jvaler#0000 i'd tentatively accept etherwind as ""antares"" though given it's conquered system name =P [03-Feb-25 09:13 AM] laaxus#0000 Wait my takeover of their government [03-Feb-25 09:14 AM] jvaler#0000 this plan looks good, i'll go ahead and send you the grant although personally i'd swap the RIG for a STO for convenience. the profit & ROI on it is so bad it barely helps lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1335991742670962728/image.png?ex=6814e144&is=68138fc4&hm=7f330d6615d94cdd1d9ff5d54377e542c737a0d3acc0b6b962f44a68c89705cb& [03-Feb-25 09:14 AM] garoo2004#0000 STO? [03-Feb-25 09:14 AM] jvaler#0000 `BUI STO` [03-Feb-25 09:14 AM] FIDO#2937 {Embed} Error: no match No matching buildings were found. [03-Feb-25 09:14 AM] jvaler#0000 storage [03-Feb-25 09:15 AM] garoo2004#0000 haha i need to check out more buildings out of my profession [03-Feb-25 09:15 AM] jcheung#0000 it's infrastructure [03-Feb-25 09:15 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 its like a hab, but for stuff and not people [03-Feb-25 09:15 AM] jvaler#0000 shur up bot [03-Feb-25 09:15 AM] laaxus#0000 just move to antares 😎 [03-Feb-25 09:16 AM] garoo2004#0000 hmm, why not build more prod buildings? [03-Feb-25 09:16 AM] garoo2004#0000 yeah the roi is bad but storage dont make money no? [03-Feb-25 09:16 AM] garoo2004#0000 but idk [03-Feb-25 09:16 AM] laaxus#0000 shipping has a cost [03-Feb-25 09:16 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 means you can leave more imports there. [03-Feb-25 09:17 AM] laaxus#0000 it allows you to lower your shipping [03-Feb-25 09:17 AM] jvaler#0000 convenience [03-Feb-25 09:17 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 plus, your etherwind setup needs 1 500t/500m3 ship per day (for exports), so presumably you'd upgrade a ship before you got that fully built. [03-Feb-25 09:17 AM] laaxus#0000 because when storage is full, your production stops And that's worst case scenario [03-Feb-25 09:18 AM] garoo2004#0000 damn ive never considered the logistics [03-Feb-25 09:24 AM] jcheung#0000 storage doesn't make money but it does help preserve your sanity {Reactions} 💀 (2) [03-Feb-25 09:24 AM] laaxus#0000 disagree [03-Feb-25 09:25 AM] garoo2004#0000 well i think im still small enough that i can handle haha [03-Feb-25 09:25 AM] garoo2004#0000 hopefully [03-Feb-25 09:25 AM] jcheung#0000 CM plus WAR is all you strictly need [03-Feb-25 09:26 AM] jcheung#0000 you can run a tight shipping schedule with efficient ship usage but it'll cost you in micromanagement [03-Feb-25 09:26 AM] laaxus#0000 Disagree [03-Feb-25 09:26 AM] laaxus#0000 as long as your storage time < min(import time, export time) not having storage lose you money [03-Feb-25 09:26 AM] jcheung#0000 STO is only ever not a sanity preservation measure when you're making very specific goods [03-Feb-25 09:27 AM] jcheung#0000 that's not strictly true. it's `min(import time, export time) - ship travel time` [03-Feb-25 09:28 AM] laaxus#0000 nah, ship travel time is on both side [03-Feb-25 09:28 AM] laaxus#0000 so it evens out [03-Feb-25 09:28 AM] laaxus#0000 anyway [03-Feb-25 09:28 AM] laaxus#0000 doesn't really matter [03-Feb-25 09:29 AM] laaxus#0000 point is [03-Feb-25 09:29 AM] jcheung#0000 and as long as your production queue is set to finish just after arrival, you can bank mass in the factories [03-Feb-25 09:29 AM] laaxus#0000 not having storage can force you to ship more often that is economically efficient [03-Feb-25 09:29 AM] laaxus#0000 and therefore can decrease profits [03-Feb-25 09:29 AM] jcheung#0000 you didn't let me finish [03-Feb-25 09:31 AM] jcheung#0000 anyhow. most planets that aren't brand new have at least 2WAR, and 2500t/m is enough to ship "efficiently" [03-Feb-25 09:31 AM] jcheung#0000 with very few exceptions [03-Feb-25 09:33 AM] garoo2004#0000 mhm mhm [03-Feb-25 09:34 AM] garoo2004#0000 well since nemesis werent approved, is there anywhere else i can farm on antares? [03-Feb-25 09:34 AM] laaxus#0000 Demeter [03-Feb-25 09:36 AM] garoo2004#0000 oh yeah ive heard that [03-Feb-25 09:36 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Or Life [03-Feb-25 09:36 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Or SE-110b [03-Feb-25 09:37 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Ask PruPlanner for planets with an Agriculture COGC within a few jumps of the CX ? 🙂 [03-Feb-25 09:37 AM] jcheung#0000 i suspect a lot of those will be HYF planets [03-Feb-25 09:38 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes they all are I’m pretty sure [03-Feb-25 09:38 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I think Harmonia is the only non HYF one [03-Feb-25 09:38 AM] garoo2004#0000 whats a hyf [03-Feb-25 09:38 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 hydroponic farm [03-Feb-25 09:38 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 lots of water, different set of plants. Needs NS to grow. [03-Feb-25 09:38 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 no need for soil [03-Feb-25 09:39 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 if you're farming for carbon, you can get HCP and MAI (but not GRN) that way at least. [03-Feb-25 09:39 AM] laaxus#0000 demeter can hold FRM too {Reactions} 👉 👈 🤧 🌽 🥹 [03-Feb-25 09:40 AM] jvaler#0000 demeter gaming [03-Feb-25 09:41 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/corn-gif-25097080 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/corn-gif-25097080 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9s40ZgrKNlCyHc8IbFO_1DhRwcvp70BgfzleCnANrPI/https/media.tenor.com/bNW9k5H4S5AAAAAe/corn.png [03-Feb-25 09:41 AM] garoo2004#0000 avg MAI farmer exp: [03-Feb-25 09:41 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1335998726673535059/e8b097_8fda4e0a85f84445b6c80bf631baa0b3mv2.png?ex=6814e7c6&is=68139646&hm=81c4decb27ecc8f7225cca59a15f7f9f15fc9abc4aee764d57031d4f4a083a87& [03-Feb-25 09:46 AM] jcheung#0000 expensive [03-Feb-25 09:49 AM] garoo2004#0000 oh and also regarding whether to use rig or sto, in my setup the rig are there to alleviate the water cost of the farm so [03-Feb-25 09:50 AM] garoo2004#0000 its not meant to be exported, and rn it seems h20 are expensice [03-Feb-25 09:50 AM] jvaler#0000 it only alleviates ~250 AIC/d of cost, which is why it has such bad ROI [03-Feb-25 09:50 AM] jvaler#0000 harmonia doesn't have great H2O deposit yield [03-Feb-25 09:51 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 In some other world, it might be saving you shipping logistics even at low yield, but... know that this is why you are doing it, not cost. (and, that world isn't this one, your harmonia shipping is dominated by exports, and has plenty of room to import on those same trips) [FWIW, before I got my AGP I had 2 rigs built, and they're still there on Harmonia doing their thing, but they're the first thing to rip out when I need the area back]. [03-Feb-25 09:52 AM] jcheung#0000 closer to 900 per rig with current asks 😜 [03-Feb-25 09:52 AM] jvaler#0000 yeah pp7davg probably hasn't caught up yet lol [03-Feb-25 09:52 AM] jvaler#0000 still tho [03-Feb-25 09:53 AM] jcheung#0000 hmmm. this is weird. [03-Feb-25 09:54 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1336001856975142942/image.png?ex=6814eab0&is=68139930&hm=000a743698ad1d4e04131016c6e01004f992dd05887cd7b97896c67220154f60& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1336001857398640682/image.png?ex=6814eab0&is=68139930&hm=788a084ffa7ec446d368d5494e45773abef901d5cbea33bcec5e589fe91d040c& [03-Feb-25 09:54 AM] jcheung#0000 something is goofy [03-Feb-25 09:54 AM] jcheung#0000 the split is like... nothing [03-Feb-25 09:55 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Yes. I have.. not understood what those things in the production choice dropdown are using as data, but they always seem different than what the base does once I pick them. [03-Feb-25 09:55 AM] jcheung#0000 wtf are my market settings [03-Feb-25 09:55 AM] sidepipe#0000 I don’t think the drop-down values include depreciation (or that might be the values in the blue graph section - one of the two of them doesn’t) [03-Feb-25 09:55 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I tend to click on the blue graph button after picking anyway. [03-Feb-25 09:56 AM] jcheung#0000 that's the thing, the drop down is 275/d "profit" but the total base profit goes up almost 900 [03-Feb-25 09:56 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 experts? [03-Feb-25 09:56 AM] jcheung#0000 0, but it doesn't matter [03-Feb-25 09:57 AM] sidepipe#0000 How many rigs? [03-Feb-25 09:57 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 experts do seem to affect that though (for me) [03-Feb-25 09:57 AM] jcheung#0000 single rig [03-Feb-25 09:57 AM] jcheung#0000 it'll affect the ratio, not the fact that one is more positive or negative [03-Feb-25 09:57 AM] sidepipe#0000 Depreciation [03-Feb-25 09:58 AM] sidepipe#0000 It’s gotta be in the drop down but not in the values on the top right? {Reactions} 🤔 [03-Feb-25 09:58 AM] jcheung#0000 idk, documentation is a bit rough [03-Feb-25 10:00 AM] sidepipe#0000 If you click into the “cost to make” area, what does it show the depreciation per h2o as? [03-Feb-25 10:00 AM] jcheung#0000 27.25 [03-Feb-25 10:00 AM] jcheung#0000 i guess *4 maybe? not sure if that value is for the whole building or for single run [03-Feb-25 10:01 AM] jcheung#0000 still has a big ol split [03-Feb-25 10:02 AM] sidepipe#0000 27.25 x 25.71 water per day is about 700 of depreciation, which checks out [03-Feb-25 10:02 AM] jcheung#0000 wait what [03-Feb-25 10:02 AM] jcheung#0000 it's per unit? [03-Feb-25 10:03 AM] sidepipe#0000 Isn’t it? I thought you were giving the value per unit - I can’t check myself because I’m on mobile 😅 [03-Feb-25 10:03 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1336004092153036810/image.png?ex=6814ecc5&is=68139b45&hm=1348de5fdc763f820742627baf72d5dd929633e8c5cf444061aa322658f7539e& [03-Feb-25 10:03 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 that view is per unit [edit: I mean the bottom section, but it might be more] [03-Feb-25 10:03 AM] jcheung#0000 what the piss [03-Feb-25 10:03 AM] jcheung#0000 what about workforce [03-Feb-25 10:03 AM] sidepipe#0000 But that would make sense because the difference between 275/day and 900/day is about 700 of depreciation [03-Feb-25 10:03 AM] sidepipe#0000 Included [03-Feb-25 10:04 AM] jcheung#0000 degradation isn't in cogm [03-Feb-25 10:04 AM] sidepipe#0000 So the top right view in the overview there is just the day-to-day profit - items out less items in [03-Feb-25 10:04 AM] sidepipe#0000 But the individual recipes count cost of repairs too [03-Feb-25 10:04 AM] jcheung#0000 yes, but is that per unit, per batch, per day? [03-Feb-25 10:05 AM] sidepipe#0000 Batch [03-Feb-25 10:06 AM] sidepipe#0000 Degradation of buildings is shown per unit and workforce per batch because I don’t know why {Reactions} 🤣 😖 [03-Feb-25 10:06 AM] jcheung#0000 so you see my confusion here, hard to see per unit above a per batch, followed by per unit cost that doesn't include a per unit cost [03-Feb-25 10:07 AM] sidepipe#0000 I’m not saying it’s not confusing, it totally is 😁 [03-Feb-25 10:13 AM] sidepipe#0000 I kinda justify the layout of the main screen to myself as follows: the overview shows you pretty much what you’d make on a typical day, since it just counts workforce consumables and inputs. And the drop-down value shows you the “true” profit over a long period of time including repairs [03-Feb-25 10:14 AM] sidepipe#0000 If you wanted the overview to be accurate, it’d have to include repair materials in the list and you’d have weird things like 0.1 BBH per day or something like that [03-Feb-25 10:19 AM] garoo2004#0000 @jvaler what do i do after i receive the contract? [03-Feb-25 10:19 AM] jvaler#0000 the description has instructions [03-Feb-25 10:20 AM] garoo2004#0000 thank you! [05-Feb-25 11:06 AM] chalu2#0000 Regarding the AGP: As mentioned in the server-airlock, I joined prosperous universe 3 days ago, on Harmonia. And now I would like to apply for the grant. I made a base layout in prunplanner for a RAT production line on Harmonia and a DW production line on Etherwind. On prunplanner both of them look promising with ROIs of 15-16 days each. Both of those planes would cost around 1 mil in construction and could have around 60,000 in daily profits according to prunplanner. I still have to check the transport costs for the Base of Etherwind, therefore I would start with building up the Harmonia base first, and think about the idea with Etherwind when I have a stable income from Harmonia. What do you guys think about this idea? Do you want to know anything else? @sobyshka [05-Feb-25 11:08 AM] jcheung#0000 link the base [05-Feb-25 11:08 AM] jcheung#0000 also why the random nano ping [05-Feb-25 11:08 AM] laaxus#0000 who is this guy ? (nano) [05-Feb-25 11:08 AM] jcheung#0000 fairly well established player [05-Feb-25 11:09 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1336745422907244645/image.png?ex=6814fc30&is=6813aab0&hm=704ed04f03683730a5343a6370842c59e8d81aa67600bd4fcf19accee0bbc63a& [05-Feb-25 11:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 Maybe thats the person who invited them to server? [05-Feb-25 11:16 AM] chalu2#0000 I read in a post from them in this channel that they want to contribute money, so I thought I just ping them. Link to the Harmonia Base: https://prunplanner.org/shared/2ecb6e7e-1c78-443b-aca6-b5be62630da2 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/2ecb6e7e-1c78-443b-aca6-b5be62630da2 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [05-Feb-25 11:16 AM] garoo2004#0000 just saying, but on etherwind the COGC are resource extraction so you'll missing out a lot on extra profit if youre doing farms [05-Feb-25 11:17 AM] garoo2004#0000 but yeah i wouldve like it better if they make it agri haha [05-Feb-25 11:18 AM] laaxus#0000 FP on harmonia is not optimal [05-Feb-25 11:18 AM] chalu2#0000 Etherwind base: https://prunplanner.org/shared/ceae6041-5e08-4944-b474-ecbca2273489 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/ceae6041-5e08-4944-b474-ecbca2273489 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [05-Feb-25 11:18 AM] laaxus#0000 as FP are food industries [05-Feb-25 11:18 AM] garoo2004#0000 thats also true [05-Feb-25 11:18 AM] laaxus#0000 and harmonia is an agriculture planet [05-Feb-25 11:18 AM] laaxus#0000 but it allows lower shipping [05-Feb-25 11:18 AM] laaxus#0000 just food for thoughts [05-Feb-25 11:21 AM] garoo2004#0000 a nearby planet suitable for farming would be nemesis [05-Feb-25 11:22 AM] jcheung#0000 it's not the worst thing ever for the start, as long as you plan to decommission them later... but idk about 14 of them [05-Feb-25 11:22 AM] garoo2004#0000 if you insist on staying nearby ~~harmonia~~ etherwind [05-Feb-25 11:23 AM] garoo2004#0000 one agri planet that is nearby to harmonia would be demeter [05-Feb-25 11:23 AM] sobyshka#0000 Im here to pay the blood debt. Or something. [05-Feb-25 11:24 AM] garoo2004#0000 oh lol i misread, you never intend to farm on etherwind lol [05-Feb-25 11:24 AM] sobyshka#0000 Why do you want to mix Industries? You missing extra 25% profit, saving on repairs and consumables. CoGC bonus is REALLY powerful. Don't neglect it. [05-Feb-25 11:25 AM] chalu2#0000 yaeh, I thought processing on location will increase the price. I will look into selling raw agricultural products instead [05-Feb-25 11:26 AM] garoo2004#0000 well early game i think theres no problem building a fp, just so you can make some money first [05-Feb-25 11:27 AM] garoo2004#0000 but later down the line transition harmonia to fully dedicate for farms [05-Feb-25 11:28 AM] garoo2004#0000 plus raw greens usually takes very long time to sell [05-Feb-25 11:28 AM] garoo2004#0000 so that might be a bad idea [05-Feb-25 11:30 AM] sobyshka#0000 So... what do you want to achieve? Self-sufficiency in consumables? [05-Feb-25 11:30 AM] garoo2004#0000 you can process the greens on Norwick instead [05-Feb-25 11:30 AM] chalu2#0000 At the moment the RAT price is realy high so the mixed Farms /Foodproduktion makes 60,000 while pure Farms make 40,000 profit according to prunplanner. but I dont know how long this will last... [05-Feb-25 11:31 AM] garoo2004#0000 you can even make the dw on that planet. its cogc is food industry [05-Feb-25 11:32 AM] garoo2004#0000 but youre not selling the greens, rather, you will transport it to a separate base to process them. thats why im recommending norwick [05-Feb-25 11:33 AM] garoo2004#0000 so 40k worth of greens are being processed into RAT will bring you more profit [05-Feb-25 11:33 AM] chalu2#0000 hm, I still need to get a feeling for how much transporting cost. I dont really know thet jet. [05-Feb-25 11:34 AM] garoo2004#0000 true that. as of now its fine to have hybrid fp/frm, but dont commit into it [05-Feb-25 11:37 AM] sobyshka#0000 Ok. So try to make in prunplaner 3 planets. 1) Water source 2) Farms 3) FP(Food processor planet) What will make DW/RAT for you. Also in prunplaner use that button to determine how much you expect to sell stuff for and buy. Also i see you using more that 500 area. Please dont do that. You wasting 50% of your permit. You can just make new base and make 100% of profit from that permit but you chose to limit yoursef to 50%. That really unnecessary. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1336752487238996110/image.png?ex=681502c4&is=6813b144&hm=d670b5128e6bd5e07640f4ec5dd012e4eeeed7eebedb31b1d1e26271b799d193& {Reactions} ☝️ [05-Feb-25 11:40 AM] sobyshka#0000 Water planet should have Resource Extraction CoGC. Farms... Harmonia already have Agriculture CoGC. FP need Food industries CoGC. [05-Feb-25 11:41 AM] chalu2#0000 alright I'm onto it [05-Feb-25 11:43 AM] garoo2004#0000 heres a list for food industry planets {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1336754155225743400/image.png?ex=68150452&is=6813b2d2&hm=ea62c2ee5a0a8185b6af693ddda84908c49684e2eb6fc011ce777d863848282a& [05-Feb-25 11:44 AM] garoo2004#0000 norwick is closer to harmonia, but milliways might be better as it sits between harmonia and etherwind [05-Feb-25 11:51 AM] chalu2#0000 thanks. how do i tell prunplanner that i dont want to buy and sell the crops? [05-Feb-25 11:56 AM] chalu2#0000 nevermind, got it [05-Feb-25 12:11 PM] chalu2#0000 Food Industry Base: https://prunplanner.org/shared/3d8dcfd5-6c9c-465a-8b2c-c1f08968cf65 its on Norwick right now, but i will look into Milliway as alternative later, the other bases are updated as well. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/3d8dcfd5-6c9c-465a-8b2c-c1f08968cf65 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [05-Feb-25 12:12 PM] chalu2#0000 to recap Harmonia: https://prunplanner.org/shared/2ecb6e7e-1c78-443b-aca6-b5be62630da2 Etherwind: https://prunplanner.org/shared/ceae6041-5e08-4944-b474-ecbca2273489 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/2ecb6e7e-1c78-443b-aca6-b5be62630da2 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/ceae6041-5e08-4944-b474-ecbca2273489 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [05-Feb-25 12:13 PM] laaxus#0000 just so you know [05-Feb-25 12:13 PM] laaxus#0000 the grant is to develop base in antares space ... [05-Feb-25 12:13 PM] laaxus#0000 as etherwind is not (yet) antarean [05-Feb-25 12:14 PM] laaxus#0000 I would put 3 experts, you get to 3 very fast [05-Feb-25 12:22 PM] sobyshka#0000 You will need 1 STO at least. In all bases. I dont know any scenario where you dont want to put al least 1 STO. It storage unit gives you 5000 t/m storage at base. [05-Feb-25 12:24 PM] sobyshka#0000 Specially at Water planet. [05-Feb-25 12:24 PM] chalu2#0000 I'll putt them in, thanks. And yeah, I the grant will be used for the farming and food industry in antares space. that will be about 1.5 mil when its finished. [05-Feb-25 12:31 PM] chalu2#0000 the production amounts on prunplanner aren't quite balanced at the moment but I will take care of that later, after I had some food. [05-Feb-25 12:32 PM] sobyshka#0000 Also about water planet. Your ship can hold 2500 water each. And there a lot less than your bases drink per day. Starter ships is usually upgraded to 3k heavy carrier(Because it MUCH cheaper, you save around of couple millions). And it can hold 5000 water. So until you get at least one that ship i recommend to lower amount FP you use to processing and just stockpile FP inputs(Water and Green stuff) somewhere at ANT. I also see you dont use Premium consumables, use them, they work and work well. [05-Feb-25 12:35 PM] sobyshka#0000 And... what now @jvaler I just send him money? Its my first time. What do i do [05-Feb-25 12:40 PM] chalu2#0000 yeah, I updated to premium consumables, and I will look into better ships. I will keep an eye on logistics while building up, thanks for that tip [05-Feb-25 12:52 PM] jcheung#0000 IDC 😜 [05-Feb-25 12:53 PM] jcheung#0000 Yes, you can just send funds and let jvaler know [05-Feb-25 12:54 PM] sobyshka#0000 I dont ~~k ~~cnow? {Reactions} partyhehe [05-Feb-25 12:55 PM] jcheung#0000 Information data core, but close enough [05-Feb-25 12:55 PM] jcheung#0000 `i don't care` is usually the one i see [05-Feb-25 12:55 PM] sobyshka#0000 Took me a moment to comprehend [05-Feb-25 01:05 PM] chalu2#0000 thank you very much [05-Feb-25 01:05 PM] sobyshka#0000 @chalu2 Somewhere here should be button to terminate the contract. You do not need to provide 1 RAT {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1336774737883431023/image.png?ex=6815177d&is=6813c5fd&hm=4b8505ab4c79e113ae58e250349770af79d5e3514c36d1f07438d3cccb0c6681& [05-Feb-25 05:02 PM] shokanshi#0000 Greetings sharks, I am a lowly water farmer/Nestlé water bottle simulator wanting to move into the glorious region of Antares and I'm here to apply for a grant. I have, honestly, little idea of what industry I am heading towards but I'm primarily set up for resource extraction due to my HQ being not in faction space + I already am doing that in the outer rims of Antares in the lowly CIS region (Etherwind & KW-602). I have a few plans made that are primarily starting new industries compared to my FP/RIG loop. They are rough and primarily exist to rotate between different items not just one production, well except the A2 project which could be made if D1 is construted and would be focused on AML's making Tungstun (W) or other needed intermediates. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1336834362670448671/image.png?ex=6814a645&is=681354c5&hm=3b5486cfbfe4f6f09706abf121f821886676cd36403b219c67d856492dcfab27& {Reactions} 🦈 [05-Feb-25 05:03 PM] shokanshi#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/2bcf7c4a-5d86-492b-bef4-058df44526af - A1 CHP faciltiy right now set to NS because of my flood of H2O I can throw on it, but can be changed to whatever is expected. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/2bcf7c4a-5d86-492b-bef4-058df44526af PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [05-Feb-25 05:04 PM] shokanshi#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/ddb5ea07-2912-4e8c-b5b6-5c62ed080485 - B1 Nike PP2, no idea why but would just make the L series of PP2s {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/ddb5ea07-2912-4e8c-b5b6-5c62ed080485 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [05-Feb-25 05:05 PM] shokanshi#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/02d14532-b41c-465a-b13d-415669c97768 - C1 Hydrgon and Argon Extraction, the grant would be funding half of this facility and I would use reserves I do own to finish this one. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/02d14532-b41c-465a-b13d-415669c97768 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [05-Feb-25 05:05 PM] jcheung#0000 NS out in electronica? may i ask why there in particular? [05-Feb-25 05:06 PM] shokanshi#0000 There is no real reason, it could be built on any Chemistry planet but its mostly just distance to my storage on KW-602 [05-Feb-25 05:06 PM] jcheung#0000 don't forget your settler luxuries [05-Feb-25 05:06 PM] shokanshi#0000 Which is full of DW/H2O. ^ and ah yes, forgot to click that. it would be indeed getting the luxuries [05-Feb-25 05:07 PM] jcheung#0000 i could be off becasue i'm going off memory, but isn't electronica a bit far from KW602? [05-Feb-25 05:08 PM] shokanshi#0000 Anyway here is D1 (https://prunplanner.org/shared/82d39de1-cb63-4be3-a053-d28fb56bfdeb) and her possible expansion project of A2 (https://prunplanner.org/shared/65e50d78-3f4b-447d-bf81-e4d14e5e627f) shes jsut an AML planet. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/82d39de1-cb63-4be3-a053-d28fb56bfdeb PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/65e50d78-3f4b-447d-bf81-e4d14e5e627f PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [05-Feb-25 05:09 PM] jcheung#0000 what ships do you currently have? [05-Feb-25 05:09 PM] shokanshi#0000 It's about 5 to 6 jumpish from what I remember, I have two ships which I need to invest to upgrade more but one is a 1k/1k and the other is just a starter still. [05-Feb-25 05:10 PM] shokanshi#0000 It would primarily be shipping with the 1k/1k till the starter gets moved to a larger size. [05-Feb-25 05:10 PM] shokanshi#0000 Now I must walk to work, I will reply when I'm at my office. [05-Feb-25 05:11 PM] jcheung#0000 🤔 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1336836538251874325/image.png?ex=6814a84b&is=681356cb&hm=6f30c45c224b3af96962fb69ecd7bcdbbf047dd6c191fde4347905c2e0fde380& [05-Feb-25 05:11 PM] jcheung#0000 ok. D1 you don't have the shipping capacity for. shelve that one for now [05-Feb-25 05:12 PM] jcheung#0000 same for C1 [05-Feb-25 05:12 PM] jcheung#0000 both of those are either close to or over 1k shipping daily [05-Feb-25 05:13 PM] jcheung#0000 so that leaves A1 and B1, which will require some pretty regular shipping [05-Feb-25 05:14 PM] jcheung#0000 (though for shipping ADI does offer an interest free loan for a WCB upgrade from starter-not sure how the MCB will affect things) [05-Feb-25 05:15 PM] jcheung#0000 for A1 i would suggest finding a chemistry planet that's a little closer [05-Feb-25 05:16 PM] jcheung#0000 Griffonstone (LS-300c) might be a good candidate [05-Feb-25 05:16 PM] jcheung#0000 that's 2 jumps away {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1336837942701723658/image.png?ex=6814a99a&is=6813581a&hm=48ca0d2379bf1481096504fd2fdb466a448dc66f34345f2fa59f31d08b78071b& [05-Feb-25 05:17 PM] jcheung#0000 i'll pause here while you digest what i said so far [05-Feb-25 05:28 PM] shokanshi#0000 Thank you for the information I'm right now reading while waiting train to pass but yes those chemical plans could be on any chemical planet so Griffonstone works fine [05-Feb-25 05:30 PM] shokanshi#0000 For the resource extraction ones they would most likely only be half built using the full grant money while my reserves and upcoming revenue with DW sales or a loan in addition would go towards vessel upgrade then into finishing the base [05-Feb-25 05:31 PM] shokanshi#0000 I have 2.2mil CIS, 477k NCC in my liquid assets by itself so those would be funded into this ANT initiative [05-Feb-25 05:33 PM] shokanshi#0000 Alright I'm back to walking, I'll be back in 30 minutes [05-Feb-25 06:15 PM] shokanshi#0000 I'm now avaliable once more, sorry for the time [05-Feb-25 06:22 PM] sobyshka#0000 Sorry, how your storage looks like? [05-Feb-25 06:22 PM] sobyshka#0000 Do you just... Leave stuff there? Why you don't use CX? [05-Feb-25 06:24 PM] shokanshi#0000 Ah its 3 storage spots but prior to my recent lull in the game due to real life work I was trading DW and H2O to new players and randoms on Etherwind and the KW602 bottling planet [05-Feb-25 06:24 PM] shokanshi#0000 Its half full, 260ish, space with my own FP [05-Feb-25 06:25 PM] shokanshi#0000 So since I was moving so much water from Etherwind to KW602 I was just in contracts filling people up [05-Feb-25 06:26 PM] shokanshi#0000 I used to only do CX with those runs and I was flooding the market it was such low margins that I stopped for few months [05-Feb-25 06:26 PM] shokanshi#0000 And it seems since I last did it the BEN CX went from like 60cis for water to 140cis so that's kind of funny [05-Feb-25 06:26 PM] sobyshka#0000 I mean why dont you use CX to store stuff. [05-Feb-25 06:27 PM] shokanshi#0000 Ah just distance, I was more focused on looping between my two planets than going off to BEN. When I did that it was to restock and sell DW anyway [05-Feb-25 06:31 PM] shokanshi#0000 And actually looking at my contracts other than a lot of small sales to new players most of my big dumping of excess warehouse water was to VLNS / Zipatsu who seems to be in this discord as well. [05-Feb-25 06:35 PM] sobyshka#0000 So. I have counter offer. Do you like Carbon? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1336857683978096761/44e124fcc1c357ad68e60c89a420d4b1.jpg?ex=6814bbfd&is=68136a7d&hm=5f04257cdd59dc6e8ac5c648720665c3e7e17a6c7d8c4982e09024dd4e61852e& [05-Feb-25 06:36 PM] shokanshi#0000 Ah an INC facility? [05-Feb-25 06:37 PM] sobyshka#0000 Yea. And be part of big family of carbon lovers. We love carbon. [05-Feb-25 06:38 PM] shokanshi#0000 Now my knowledge of the Carbon is limited to years ago when I did smelting FE up in Kiruna/Cortez area of space but at least back then [05-Feb-25 06:38 PM] shokanshi#0000 It was quite a micro managing business with the needed agricultural inputs for very little profit margains [05-Feb-25 06:39 PM] shokanshi#0000 So I would need some information on recent and especially how it is in ANT [05-Feb-25 06:41 PM] sobyshka#0000 Positives: You need only 1 permit to be a part. All logistics handled by me. All inputs provided. All consumables and repairs costs covered. Downsides: Profit slightly less compared if you do it all alone. [05-Feb-25 06:43 PM] sobyshka#0000 Average 50k profit per day. From one base. I will provide all materials for base construction and some consumables. For first time. [05-Feb-25 06:44 PM] shokanshi#0000 And what planet would this be on? [05-Feb-25 06:45 PM] sobyshka#0000 Nascent [05-Feb-25 06:46 PM] jcheung#0000 hahaha, BURN recruitment [05-Feb-25 06:47 PM] sobyshka#0000 Im trying my best. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1336860691490930808/sad-cat-crying-cat.gif?ex=6814beca&is=68136d4a&hm=e863bf3aa1a6001e0f4b0f68bf3f813254886d1ea2c78a0a9ff374456f6f286f& [05-Feb-25 06:57 PM] shokanshi#0000 Yea I don't know about the INC facility, its such a low profit margin for something that seems more like a side thing ticking in the corner. [05-Feb-25 07:09 PM] sobyshka#0000 Well. I cant agree with you here. Even if you just sell your weekly split it ok money for little amount of effort. It might be annoying to send conts every Monday. But with multi items cont it will be just 2 conts every Monday and when you need more inputs. [05-Feb-25 07:09 PM] jvaler#0000 margins don't really matter, profit/d and ROI matters [05-Feb-25 07:10 PM] sobyshka#0000 Aren't they the same? [05-Feb-25 07:13 PM] sobyshka#0000 Margin, is your income, and profit/d is also your income? [05-Feb-25 07:13 PM] sobyshka#0000 Ok, i googled, and i understand now, that i dont understand how it works. [05-Feb-25 07:16 PM] garoo2004#0000 how much you're buying the carbons [05-Feb-25 07:24 PM] jcheung#0000 technically.... with multi you can do two a month [05-Feb-25 07:26 PM] garoo2004#0000 do you want a full INC base? [05-Feb-25 07:35 PM] jvaler#0000 i thought margin was the difference between input cost and total profit, like the % that rprun shows you on the production finance screen [05-Feb-25 07:37 PM] shokanshi#0000 its the amount of profit a business makes compared to their revenue. [05-Feb-25 07:38 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah that [05-Feb-25 07:39 PM] shokanshi#0000 but it can also be included as your ROI because the cost of construction is usually factored in. [05-Feb-25 07:48 PM] shokanshi#0000 @jvaler We'll solve the profit margain math once this installs. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1336876048905801780/image.png?ex=6814cd18&is=68137b98&hm=3140e55fdb16581ceac6040cb32a91b6c469abc63c5ca9102726398f29eebf4e& [05-Feb-25 07:50 PM] tanda#0000 Uhm? [05-Feb-25 07:50 PM] tanda#0000 Discord runs on 95? [05-Feb-25 07:52 PM] shokanshi#0000 @tanda only the most cutting edge [05-Feb-25 07:52 PM] shokanshi#0000 of course [05-Feb-25 07:54 PM] .shiva.#0000 https://github.com/DiscordMessenger/dm {Embed} https://github.com/DiscordMessenger/dm GitHub - DiscordMessenger/dm: Discord Messenger is a free Discord-c... Discord Messenger is a free Discord-compatible messaging client that works on almost 30 years of Windows. - DiscordMessenger/dm https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/JbhNDaIhCoDQz06yhHB7Xd5CnFozQNmSXGBclfB1YZU/https/opengraph.githubassets.com/58294d5c07522521840b7cff8d730a3a12ec74d887f357e2355aed99b1f426c6/DiscordMessenger/dm [05-Feb-25 07:54 PM] .shiva.#0000 It made the rounds in the tech blogs this week [05-Feb-25 08:01 PM] sobyshka#0000 Yea. We need another burner guy. We make around 650 carbon per share every week, plus little more on top. [05-Feb-25 08:01 PM] sobyshka#0000 Rprun? [05-Feb-25 08:03 PM] garoo2004#0000 huh, what recipe are you using? GRN? HCP? [05-Feb-25 08:04 PM] garoo2004#0000 i thought for the best output possible is to use the triple burn one, but they're hungry af so usually its reversed, as in you would need more FRM instead of more INC [05-Feb-25 08:24 PM] jvaler#0000 refined prun [05-Feb-25 08:25 PM] sobyshka#0000 Yes. We use triple one [05-Feb-25 08:27 PM] garoo2004#0000 im down to be honest, i already set up a base on thalassa c [05-Feb-25 08:28 PM] garoo2004#0000 but im not sure if i cant make 100% INC, since im also planning to put some RIG for my farm [05-Feb-25 08:28 PM] garoo2004#0000 plus to fully develop it would cost me 2m [05-Feb-25 08:31 PM] garoo2004#0000 so how about it? i may leave some spaces for my RIG as well, but for the most part ill build INC [05-Feb-25 08:39 PM] shokanshi#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/8fad6c18-44ea-4d13-a78b-60abb8d7d526 Moved it to Griffonstone as suggested for this one {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/8fad6c18-44ea-4d13-a78b-60abb8d7d526 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [05-Feb-25 09:22 PM] shokanshi#0000 @jvaler *cough*Hearing you need NS.. ^ [05-Feb-25 09:23 PM] jvaler#0000 yooo [05-Feb-25 09:23 PM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bFsJ0Dmt7ZafGpJbXJBVXvnyQOmxLrRqKF23kNTTyrs/https/media.tenor.com/kiEbqAowVo0AAAAe/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table.png [05-Feb-25 09:23 PM] jvaler#0000 sending u the grant lolol [05-Feb-25 09:25 PM] jcheung#0000 ma'am, that's a keycard [05-Feb-25 09:29 PM] jvaler#0000 wait it is isn't it... {Reactions} 😆 [07-Feb-25 04:45 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 So I've come up with my first draft of a plan as can be seen here. It's a DW production site on 1 permit of space. According to the planner and the info I put in I should see a profit of around 48k/day. I didn't assign experts, however and even distribution between FI and RE will scale evenly. https://prunplanner.org/shared/7e7db3b6-7442-465a-8ee2-c4badc2bba78 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/7e7db3b6-7442-465a-8ee2-c4badc2bba78 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [07-Feb-25 05:02 AM] laaxus#0000 You should always put at least 3 experts, as you get them very quickly [07-Feb-25 05:03 AM] laaxus#0000 some put 4 or 5 experts right away [07-Feb-25 05:04 AM] laaxus#0000 oh btw, this grant is about developing *Antares* faction space [07-Feb-25 05:04 AM] laaxus#0000 so poseidon does not apply unfortunately [07-Feb-25 08:11 AM] roche3950#0000 Consider sunny Norwick or the Thalassa system! {Reactions} ❤️ [07-Feb-25 08:27 AM] jcheung#0000 Although we *can* provide feedback outside ant {Reactions} 👍 [07-Feb-25 09:15 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Oops, I was checking out the wrong area lol [07-Feb-25 09:28 AM] garoo2004#0000 Yeah if you want to make a dw base, i suggest you to build one in thalassa c [07-Feb-25 09:28 AM] garoo2004#0000 Aka Ice Station Alpha [07-Feb-25 09:29 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Oh It was just an easy plan tbhm I want to work towards having a HWP or WEL ideally, so more planning to be done today [07-Feb-25 09:57 AM] roche3950#0000 Well, ISA is a planet to pump water on [07-Feb-25 09:58 AM] roche3950#0000 Think planet A is the Food Industries world [07-Feb-25 10:57 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 2nd plan draft, in the right region now. Location is Deimos https://prunplanner.org/shared/20773123-c1bd-4f1e-a384-5dfefe55b3c4 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/20773123-c1bd-4f1e-a384-5dfefe55b3c4 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [07-Feb-25 11:02 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I was thinking I could use my base on Promitor to produce C, DW, RAT to reduce operating costs [07-Feb-25 11:02 AM] laaxus#0000 ok what are your cx settings [07-Feb-25 11:02 AM] laaxus#0000 I think you did not put appropriate settings [07-Feb-25 11:03 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 ANT I believe [07-Feb-25 11:03 AM] laaxus#0000 not what I'm asking [07-Feb-25 11:03 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1337468791940059257/image.png?ex=6814fae0&is=6813a960&hm=e7e1ca55c645175a08c45f120b3d4599f43c2a9ebe9dbef9e3f302e00f897a15& [07-Feb-25 11:03 AM] laaxus#0000 what did you put ? [07-Feb-25 11:03 AM] laaxus#0000 you should have it like me [07-Feb-25 11:03 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I had on AVG, let me change it [07-Feb-25 11:03 AM] laaxus#0000 AVG is last value sold [07-Feb-25 11:03 AM] laaxus#0000 it's worthless [07-Feb-25 11:03 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 not avg lol [07-Feb-25 11:04 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 err ok [07-Feb-25 11:04 AM] laaxus#0000 PP7 is what the actual average [07-Feb-25 11:04 AM] laaxus#0000 but still, I **HEAVILY** recommend using my settings [07-Feb-25 11:04 AM] laaxus#0000 at least until you're established [07-Feb-25 11:05 AM] laaxus#0000 basically, this shows you the bad case scenario : buying at ask, selling at bid [07-Feb-25 11:05 AM] laaxus#0000 as a new player, you need to be sure to make profit, even with those conditions [07-Feb-25 11:05 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 ok looking at it now [07-Feb-25 11:06 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Ok it is still profitable, albeit less. [07-Feb-25 11:07 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, but remove HWP [07-Feb-25 11:07 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Yeah working on something new {Reactions} 👍 [07-Feb-25 11:08 AM] laaxus#0000 you'd see they have negative profit [07-Feb-25 11:08 AM] laaxus#0000 using EXT on deimos is not a bad idea, it heavily reduce shipping cost [07-Feb-25 11:09 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Ok, updated. focusing on AL as the good to sell [07-Feb-25 11:09 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Just gotta refine it a bit (the plan) [07-Feb-25 11:11 AM] roche3950#0000 Would happily buy AL here in a couple of weeks 🙂 {Reactions} ❤️ [07-Feb-25 11:13 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Ok, done fiddling with it. https://prunplanner.org/shared/20773123-c1bd-4f1e-a384-5dfefe55b3c4 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/20773123-c1bd-4f1e-a384-5dfefe55b3c4 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [07-Feb-25 11:14 AM] laaxus#0000 how much time will it take to fill your storage ? [07-Feb-25 11:17 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Less than a week, but I can use warehouses locally to store goods if need be [07-Feb-25 11:17 AM] laaxus#0000 The answer is 2 days [07-Feb-25 11:18 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1337472496772841583/image.png?ex=6814fe54&is=6813acd4&hm=f42afb8deab4217efe8aa5c142fffe0c65cb5a358f0a21166fdbb2ac54d27758& [07-Feb-25 11:18 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Where do I see that? [07-Feb-25 11:18 AM] laaxus#0000 This is why I'd recommend putting at least one STO {Reactions} 👍 [07-Feb-25 11:18 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1337472646677532823/image.png?ex=6814fe78&is=6813acf8&hm=fed66ee7f49a4c8a7b0a44ebc014e702dbc794cd3f16606ee594ef7823b17141& [07-Feb-25 11:18 AM] laaxus#0000 top right button [07-Feb-25 11:19 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Got it, ty! [07-Feb-25 11:39 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Ok, updated again :p with a 4th expert the ALO coming in becomes positive, but planning around 3 to start. https://prunplanner.org/shared/20773123-c1bd-4f1e-a384-5dfefe55b3c4 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/20773123-c1bd-4f1e-a384-5dfefe55b3c4 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [07-Feb-25 11:44 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 After the construction costs there should be about a weeks worth of operating costs covered too. [07-Feb-25 11:46 AM] roche3950#0000 Players usually don’t advise multipermitting a planet iirc, as each single permit gives you +250 area on the same planet as opposed to +500 on a different planet then again, my current steady-state plan relies on a lot of multipermitting so who am I to talk [07-Feb-25 11:46 AM] laaxus#0000 good catch, didn't see that [07-Feb-25 11:46 AM] laaxus#0000 yes, you should do one permit [07-Feb-25 11:46 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I like the idea of having 1-2 bases (promitor to make Carbon to reduce costs) [07-Feb-25 11:46 AM] laaxus#0000 anyway, you should not put your entire grant into buildings [07-Feb-25 11:47 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I'll fix that [07-Feb-25 11:47 AM] laaxus#0000 you should keep a money buffer [07-Feb-25 11:47 AM] roche3950#0000 You can invest those three permits into Deimos and two worlds in Thalassa [07-Feb-25 11:47 AM] roche3950#0000 Set up an HYF and an INC world, and now you make your own C for processing AL at Deimos [07-Feb-25 11:48 AM] laaxus#0000 please don't invest in hyf the roi is terrible lol [07-Feb-25 11:52 AM] roche3950#0000 Was thinking from a simplified logistics angle 🙂 but sure, you can also buy the plants and burn them [07-Feb-25 11:56 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Updated to be 1 permit. Still positive ALO with 4 experts, eventually 5 extraction 1 metallurgy once I can have 6. Do-able with 3 experts easy enough https://prunplanner.org/shared/20773123-c1bd-4f1e-a384-5dfefe55b3c4 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/20773123-c1bd-4f1e-a384-5dfefe55b3c4 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [07-Feb-25 12:00 PM] mzevilcanadian#0000 only 11 plots left on Deimos currently [07-Feb-25 12:01 PM] laaxus#0000 you should use the FLX recipe [07-Feb-25 12:01 PM] laaxus#0000 which is much more profitable [07-Feb-25 12:01 PM] laaxus#0000 you can see the profitability of recipe when choosing [07-Feb-25 12:01 PM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Oh, I forgot to change that when setting up, ty! [07-Feb-25 12:01 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1337483456556433470/image.png?ex=68150889&is=6813b709&hm=aa22815e952554360470b082f98285df2c7f758beaa9a742800fa6412a63c5e0& [07-Feb-25 12:02 PM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Updated [07-Feb-25 12:50 PM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I think my construction costs are too high, let me change it again lol [07-Feb-25 12:56 PM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Ok, this should be better and not everything thrown into building [07-Feb-25 12:56 PM] mzevilcanadian#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/20773123-c1bd-4f1e-a384-5dfefe55b3c4 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/20773123-c1bd-4f1e-a384-5dfefe55b3c4 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [07-Feb-25 01:02 PM] laaxus#0000 Yes, you should have your base, around one trip worth of input goods, and a money buffer [07-Feb-25 01:03 PM] laaxus#0000 Which usually means you dont get to build a full base right away [07-Feb-25 01:03 PM] mzevilcanadian#0000 about a 180k money buffer and 1 ship worth of materials [08-Feb-25 02:06 AM] plague_monk#0000 Hello everyone! Started playing a few days ago and i'm absolutely in love with this game. My corp is located on Deimos and I already have basic metallurgy buildings on it + COL. Looking to expand it and return the grant in the future. Heres a plan https://prunplanner.org/shared/e7cdff03-f886-4e37-846e-c3c9e527aa8b {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/e7cdff03-f886-4e37-846e-c3c9e527aa8b PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [08-Feb-25 02:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Hello, and welcome 🙂 Is the plan you've posted your current setup, or your expansion plan for the grant? [08-Feb-25 02:23 AM] plague_monk#0000 the plan I posted is my expansion plan. I currently have 3x HB1, EXT, COL, SME + all luxury needed for pioneers for 10 days [08-Feb-25 02:24 AM] pxlfox.#0000 the grant can easily finance a full permit base (500 space), so you should aim for that [08-Feb-25 02:25 AM] pxlfox.#0000 most people target a daily profit for a full permit around 50k - everything more is good, everything less is not desirable [08-Feb-25 02:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 it's not wrong to collect your own O on Deimos, but Deimos has a really low yield in comparison to other planets, making your "local" O not that profitable. I played a bit with your configuration, and I don't see it viable to do so. You might want to consider just extracting ALO, smelt it to AL and import O. FLX and C [08-Feb-25 02:29 AM] plague_monk#0000 Understood, I'll correct my plan, thank you very much [08-Feb-25 02:30 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I suggest to add a STO for extra storage. Especially, if you work with metals and ores, your planet storage will fill extremly fast. [08-Feb-25 02:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 you can click the blue button in the overview card in PrunPlanner to see how long your storage will last {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1337702218979086386/image.png?ex=681482c6&is=68133146&hm=61fe5e93133c68afd90c1fd2fb2a434deccfbff6594414f3e38a9506557025ad& [08-Feb-25 02:34 AM] plague_monk#0000 I've updated my plan. It should leave me with enough money for initial imports and I have added Storage building and removed Collector [08-Feb-25 02:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 you can even squeeze a little bit more out of the permit 😄 [08-Feb-25 02:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 add another EXT and SME [08-Feb-25 02:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 and a HB1 [08-Feb-25 02:36 AM] plague_monk#0000 I'm afraid that I'll be left with no money to import carbon and essentials to actually start making money [08-Feb-25 02:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 that's fair [08-Feb-25 02:37 AM] plague_monk#0000 Daily imports will be 45K [08-Feb-25 02:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 let me see, what we can do {Reactions} 🫡 [08-Feb-25 02:45 AM] pxlfox.#0000 if you use the #internal-offers, you can drop the construction costs down to around 700k, witch leaves you with 300k spare [08-Feb-25 02:46 AM] laaxus#0000 I usually recommend 3/5 of the grant going for building, 1/5 for input goods, 1/5 as money buffer [08-Feb-25 02:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I guess you still have the starter ships? [08-Feb-25 02:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I mean, it would probably still work [08-Feb-25 02:47 AM] pxlfox.#0000 they will have to export every 1-2 days, so they can resupply in small quantities [08-Feb-25 02:47 AM] pxlfox.#0000 AL sells pretty good - I know even a guy, who will always take some 😂 [08-Feb-25 02:48 AM] pxlfox.#0000 so they won't sit on capital [08-Feb-25 02:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 it's you decision, but I would still go for the full base and supply as much as my finances allow me. That gives you a little bit more momentum. But you can definitely go for the safer option and upgrade as soon as you collected the funds. [08-Feb-25 02:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 the plan looks otherwise fine for me. [08-Feb-25 02:50 AM] laaxus#0000 Some people like to play tight [08-Feb-25 02:50 AM] laaxus#0000 Other don't [08-Feb-25 02:51 AM] laaxus#0000 I have 50 days worth of consummables in each of my bases for instance [08-Feb-25 02:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I have 30 now, but will go up to 60 as soon as I can afford that [08-Feb-25 02:52 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but as a new player, that's something you can think about in 4-8 weeks (or longer) [08-Feb-25 02:52 AM] pxlfox.#0000 7 days is already fine [08-Feb-25 02:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 10 is good [08-Feb-25 02:53 AM] plague_monk#0000 If I use Internal offers I should have a bit of wiggle room for any mistakes I may make [08-Feb-25 02:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 If notice you don't have enough money, just hit me up. We'll find a way to finance you, if needed 😉 [08-Feb-25 02:54 AM] laaxus#0000 Biggest beginner mistake is overestimating the liquidity of the market [08-Feb-25 02:54 AM] laaxus#0000 Happened to everybody at least once [08-Feb-25 02:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 yeah - some markets tend to move slowly. But AL is quite liquid, so don't worry [08-Feb-25 02:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 log in once a day, send your AL to the market, buy what you need, repeat [08-Feb-25 02:56 AM] pxlfox.#0000 get familiar with the game, make some plans, talk to the people here, get roasted for stupid ideas, try again. After a few weeks you should have enough money for the next base [08-Feb-25 02:58 AM] laaxus#0000 So many applicant, just the moment I can't give money away >< [08-Feb-25 02:58 AM] plague_monk#0000 of course, not a problem [08-Feb-25 02:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 you already have pro, @plague_monk ? [08-Feb-25 02:59 AM] plague_monk#0000 I do, wanted to support the project [08-Feb-25 02:59 AM] plague_monk#0000 I know I don't exactly need it atm [08-Feb-25 03:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 great. It's unfortunately required for the grant, since you can't accept private contracts without it. [08-Feb-25 03:00 AM] laaxus#0000 Oh maybe I have sitting capital on the cx [08-Feb-25 03:00 AM] laaxus#0000 I'll check when I'm home [08-Feb-25 03:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Either way, as soon as somebody with money comes online and checks your plan, you'll probably get the grant approved. [08-Feb-25 03:01 AM] plague_monk#0000 thank you a lot. I'll begin paying back immediately [08-Feb-25 03:01 AM] plague_monk#0000 does 10% of my income sounds fair? [08-Feb-25 03:01 AM] laaxus#0000 A grant is not a loan [08-Feb-25 03:01 AM] tanda#0000 It's a grant, lol [08-Feb-25 03:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 there is no need to pay back the grant. Just be a healty part of this community, and all is fine [08-Feb-25 03:02 AM] laaxus#0000 The whole point is développing the Antares space [08-Feb-25 03:02 AM] laaxus#0000 Just invest your profit into New bases {Reactions} 🫡 [08-Feb-25 03:02 AM] laaxus#0000 We couldn't be happier lol [08-Feb-25 03:04 AM] pxlfox.#0000 This game can be stupidly slow, especially in the beginnig. I have seen players playing for over a year with 2-3 bases. On the other hand, a lot of people here (who have been given a grant) are already over 5 bases in less then half a year. [08-Feb-25 03:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Getting players started benefits the whole region - it stabilizes the markets and increases player retention. [08-Feb-25 03:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Also, this program tries to educated new players, so they don't fall into common pitfalls. [08-Feb-25 03:06 AM] plague_monk#0000 Thats incredibly generous [08-Feb-25 03:08 AM] laaxus#0000 1M isn't much for older player [08-Feb-25 03:08 AM] laaxus#0000 That's roughly my daily profit [08-Feb-25 03:11 AM] laaxus#0000 Play the game, that's all we ask for! [08-Feb-25 03:35 AM] plague_monk#0000 thank you again, I appreciate the help [08-Feb-25 03:47 AM] plague_monk#0000 I have updated my plan (I've accidentally clicked "Include CM" option). Added extra EXT and SME and I should be left with 195K AIE to spare. That's about 4 days of imports covered. With a daily profit of 57K this should be enough to push me into autonomy [08-Feb-25 03:47 AM] plague_monk#0000 Again, A huge thank you to this community for letting a new player reach this level of profit this early on {Reactions} ❤️ [08-Feb-25 05:07 AM] laaxus#0000 ok I did a few accounting tricks now I feel stable enough to give the grants [08-Feb-25 05:08 AM] laaxus#0000 @plague_monk @mzevilcanadian you'll receive a contract for one rat, accept the contract, take the money then terminate it, no need to give the 1 RAT {Reactions} ❤️ [08-Feb-25 05:13 AM] plague_monk#0000 Thank you very much! [08-Feb-25 09:08 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Tyty! [08-Feb-25 10:16 AM] cactu55#0000 I've pretty much made my grant back! [08-Feb-25 10:16 AM] cactu55#0000 Is there anyway I could pay it forward? [08-Feb-25 10:18 AM] sidepipe#0000 There's zero obligation, but you can pay out a grant yourself in the future 🙂 [08-Feb-25 10:19 AM] sidepipe#0000 But I'd focus on expansion first - ADI isn't going anywhere, and the best way you can help the project in the near term is by building more bases in Antares and getting rich in the process 😄 [08-Feb-25 10:19 AM] laaxus#0000 Yes [08-Feb-25 10:19 AM] laaxus#0000 the best thing you can do for the ADI is expand [08-Feb-25 10:19 AM] laaxus#0000 (and continue playing) [08-Feb-25 10:19 AM] cactu55#0000 That's 100% something i'll do in the future! [08-Feb-25 10:23 AM] sidepipe#0000 I got one of the first ADI grants over a year ago, and it was really rewarding when I was finally at a point where I could (sponsor? donate?) pay a grant out. It made for a fun reason to keep building more bases 😄 {Reactions} 👍 [08-Feb-25 01:03 PM] laaxus#0000 Don't forget to accept the contract ! {Reactions} 👍 [09-Feb-25 01:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 update pt2 :D going pretty nice 😁 [09-Feb-25 01:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 selling for more, and spending less to make it, at the same time!! [09-Feb-25 01:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1338047947539218472/Screenshot_2025-02-09_at_3.24.40_PM.png?ex=68151c02&is=6813ca82&hm=c0f5ab73fc1e378f62c4415d40a38886854de32f3d9f559a4f5f544fb7d8379f& [09-Feb-25 01:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 FIO says someone put H2O up for sale at 44.90000153, thats why the decimals lol [09-Feb-25 01:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 just opened 3rd base aswell, so money is flowing well {Reactions} 👍 ❤️ [09-Feb-25 01:43 AM] jvaler#0000 that's not actually possible, must be due to a float... [09-Feb-25 01:44 AM] jcheung#0000 You're only allowed to alter 3 significant digits {Reactions} 👆 [09-Feb-25 01:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 dunno why it does that the [09-Feb-25 01:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 i just have the imported FIO data so something gotta be wrong there [09-Feb-25 01:44 AM] jcheung#0000 I would truncate to 44.90 [09-Feb-25 01:44 AM] jvaler#0000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating-point_arithmetic#Accuracy_problems [09-Feb-25 01:46 AM] pagy1234#0000 hmm, thats interesting [09-Feb-25 01:46 AM] pagy1234#0000 truncate? [09-Feb-25 01:47 AM] pagy1234#0000 like round? [09-Feb-25 01:47 AM] pagy1234#0000 =round(xx,0) [09-Feb-25 01:47 AM] jcheung#0000 Close. Truncate would be closer to rounddown [09-Feb-25 01:48 AM] jcheung#0000 It just means to cut it and discard everything to the right [09-Feb-25 01:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 ah, will try it [09-Feb-25 01:49 AM] pagy1234#0000 =trunc(fio data,3) :D [09-Feb-25 01:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I hate that about floats. Makes them often unusable [09-Feb-25 11:39 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Financial systems sometimes/frequently use fixed point integers rather than floats for this reason 🙂 [09-Feb-25 11:52 AM] sidepipe#0000 We had a pretty big data pipeline at work that was using floats. The whole “floating point math is not associative” thing really became an issue when we were looking at the results [09-Feb-25 05:05 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Had to program one once - that was the first time I noticed, that floats are garbage [11-Feb-25 05:08 PM] kaen7613#0000 Hey all, I'm coming back from an involuntary COLIQ after letting my sub lapse (oops). I restarted on promitor before learning about the AGP, which is obviously a very interesting opportunity as a returning player. While looking at the market history I noticed a recent and sustained increase in RAT prices, and I'm interested consumables production as a start this time. I'm still only two days in, so I'm looking for advice on pursuing the AGP via an expansion into Antares while keeping my free plot on prom vs COLIQ'ing again to restart in Antares. [11-Feb-25 05:21 PM] pagy1234#0000 splitting up your bases by that much so early in the game is certainly not advisable, comes with many drawbacks when you only have 2 ships [11-Feb-25 05:23 PM] kaen7613#0000 Is that at all outweighed by the value of a plot on Promitor, or am I overestimating its value for food production? My understanding is that the only way to get a plot there is to start there. [11-Feb-25 05:48 PM] jcheung#0000 involuntary? how far along were you before? [11-Feb-25 05:49 PM] kaen7613#0000 about 2.5 months [11-Feb-25 05:49 PM] jcheung#0000 promitor plot is pretty popular [11-Feb-25 05:49 PM] kaen7613#0000 I had a moderately sized fuel production chain with my own H extraction on a second planet in CI [11-Feb-25 05:50 PM] jcheung#0000 i feel like just your banked goods would have gotten you a better start 😛 [11-Feb-25 05:50 PM] kaen7613#0000 yeah well I really didn't have a choice [11-Feb-25 05:50 PM] kaen7613#0000 I just logged in to the new player screen [11-Feb-25 05:50 PM] jcheung#0000 oh [11-Feb-25 05:51 PM] jcheung#0000 anyways [11-Feb-25 05:51 PM] jcheung#0000 promitor isn't bad to keep [11-Feb-25 05:52 PM] jcheung#0000 it's pretty good if you want an agri world [11-Feb-25 05:52 PM] jcheung#0000 ANT isn't terribly far away [11-Feb-25 05:54 PM] jcheung#0000 what would you make in ANT if given the grant? [11-Feb-25 05:55 PM] kaen7613#0000 I haven't done the math yet but my first idea was to ship produce to a food production world there [11-Feb-25 06:01 PM] jcheung#0000 that's probably going to not be a great idea. you're going to fully saturate your shipping capacity [11-Feb-25 06:02 PM] jvaler#0000 i'd try looking at an independent production chain in antares for now. inter-CX shipping isn't very easy [11-Feb-25 06:07 PM] kaen7613#0000 that makes a lot of sense. I'll look for a more coherent plan. [11-Feb-25 06:17 PM] tanda#0000 Promitor has a rather large disadvantage for an ANT player of splitting your fleet early on [11-Feb-25 06:18 PM] tanda#0000 it's a good agri planet, but I'm not buying into the bean hype [11-Feb-25 06:34 PM] jvaler#0000 agreed. later game when it makes sense to have an inter-CX empire you have the capital to just use HYF for RAT & C [11-Feb-25 06:34 PM] jvaler#0000 prom is powerful early game, but it's not necessary [11-Feb-25 11:35 PM] sobyshka#0000 So. Sorry for a ping after a week but i left some info there: https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1293695249679650931/1339105421327204422 [11-Feb-25 11:35 PM] sobyshka#0000 We also need not 1 base but 3 actually. [11-Feb-25 11:51 PM] vanarazor#0000 "Please don't feel restricted by the grant requiring approval of your plan, we simply want to help you avoid common pitfalls new players fall into." [11-Feb-25 11:52 PM] vanarazor#0000 funny you say that [11-Feb-25 11:56 PM] vanarazor#0000 I feel like I'd like to discover the game my way, I already understood that diversifying production was not the most effective and fastest way to profit *how ever* I tend to appreciate that I just need 3more BBH and 40 MCG and I'll be able to produce metals without he need to buy C or O and close to produce DW and RAT as well [11-Feb-25 11:56 PM] laaxus#0000 Then I recommend you learn to use prunplanner and test potential based [11-Feb-25 11:56 PM] vanarazor#0000 I'm sure your experience will drastically improve my profit but taste would be missing of the menu [11-Feb-25 11:57 PM] laaxus#0000 I gave a few ideas in the pinned [11-Feb-25 11:58 PM] laaxus#0000 And there are more ideas to test in the link [11-Feb-25 11:58 PM] laaxus#0000 Personnaly, I made a prunplanner plan for every possible base [12-Feb-25 12:39 AM] jcheung#0000 you're more likely to find a backer if you present a plan that aligns with their views [12-Feb-25 01:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I can’t read the intent and intonation of this message, so I’m not sure if you’re upset or just wanted to point that out. Either way, you’re not limited to play the game you want to by the AGP. This is not a regularly body. Still, people tend to not want their money to be wasted. Providing a viable plan, that is profitable and allows you to finance further expansion gives them a little security, that their money isn’t going to waste. [12-Feb-25 01:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I presented a plan to produce CU back then. Nobody wanted to finance it and I was a little bit upset to fallback to a plan basically everybody does. But that didn’t stop me playing the game I wanted, but more enabled me to do so. Now I’m a proud CU producer and clearly understand, why nobody wanted to back my plan up. 😅😂 {Reactions} fishahhh (3) 😆 (3) 🇨 🇺 [12-Feb-25 01:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The moral of the story is simple. This game is slow. It takes months to setup a second base. This program cuts those endless waiting times, provides a secure income and enables you to actually play the game, instead of just wait for money to trickle in. [12-Feb-25 01:13 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And besides, there are other loan options out there to finance your wildest dreams. [12-Feb-25 01:19 AM] vanarazor#0000 Im not upset or anything, just a little bit on the defense.. I literally just started the game 4 days ago. I usually appreciate to discover the game by myself, I hear what you are saying but the fun for me is to find things by myself and makes mistakes if needed, otherwise, what's the point of the game. players with more experience will come and tell how to have the most profitable trajectory, yet I feel like they are stealing the fun you might have along the way [12-Feb-25 01:21 AM] vanarazor#0000 I understand that people want their money to be useful and not wasted. that' a fair point. I though the 1M AIC came as philanthropy and in a sort of contract [12-Feb-25 01:21 AM] laaxus#0000 It's just that prun is a game where you Can litterally bankrupt yourself [12-Feb-25 01:21 AM] vanarazor#0000 next thing is going to be we need your planet to be only producing one ressource because of ... you actually can;t even understand the bigger picture yet [12-Feb-25 01:22 AM] laaxus#0000 So it's very important to have at lease a secure bases earning safe profits early on [12-Feb-25 01:22 AM] laaxus#0000 And there aren't a lot of variety for that [12-Feb-25 01:23 AM] laaxus#0000 At the end of the day, the AGP isn't some kind of shady organisation {Reactions} 🍉 [12-Feb-25 01:23 AM] laaxus#0000 ( or is it ? 🤔) {Reactions} link_cool (2) 🎉 [12-Feb-25 01:23 AM] laaxus#0000 Anybody Can give the grant [12-Feb-25 01:24 AM] laaxus#0000 You just need to convince someone that you're worth their 1M [12-Feb-25 01:25 AM] vanarazor#0000 thanks, yeah I think I'm not ready for the streets, I'll bankrupt myself if I need to [12-Feb-25 01:26 AM] laaxus#0000 Anyway enjoy the game the way you desires [12-Feb-25 01:26 AM] laaxus#0000 No need to take the grant if you don't want to [12-Feb-25 01:26 AM] laaxus#0000 A few people don't take it [12-Feb-25 01:27 AM] laaxus#0000 You're not restricted from the other part of the Adi either [12-Feb-25 01:27 AM] laaxus#0000 (I'd recommend looking at the internal market) [12-Feb-25 01:28 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1339135914815000598/image.png?ex=68147402&is=68132282&hm=d2e5e0a718445ea4e5a996cd918e3dc29ede479b492aace1cf7d675b2b4622ac& [12-Feb-25 01:28 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1339135925086588981/image.png?ex=68147404&is=68132284&hm=461d6097a7175a6c5b4b723e81242be075a72e200615a472d7f0f0258654a47f& [12-Feb-25 01:28 AM] vanarazor#0000 it's okay I'll do my bit of discovery [12-Feb-25 01:28 AM] laaxus#0000 Yes ? [12-Feb-25 01:29 AM] vanarazor#0000 thanks for the welcome, I ll stick around {Reactions} RSSpyAnyaWave [12-Feb-25 01:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I didn’t take a grant, I got a loan instead lol. But I think I had played around about a month before I really jumped into any stuff here in ADI [12-Feb-25 01:29 AM] vanarazor#0000 yeah I do think I 've arrived here too early [12-Feb-25 01:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Nah I don’t think that’s the case [12-Feb-25 01:30 AM] laaxus#0000 Coming into the ADI early was the best decision I made [12-Feb-25 01:30 AM] laaxus#0000 You won't regret it [12-Feb-25 01:30 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I think I would’ve lost interest in the game [12-Feb-25 01:46 AM] jcheung#0000 i came out the gate with both a loan and a grant 🤗 [12-Feb-25 01:47 AM] jcheung#0000 i think my longest streak without a loan was 2 days. day 1 and day 2 {Reactions} 😂 [12-Feb-25 05:54 AM] tanda#0000 I'm finally clear of loans again, but I still have one leased base [12-Feb-25 06:44 AM] jvaler#0000 hey you still got your grant... [12-Feb-25 06:44 AM] jvaler#0000 err wait [12-Feb-25 06:44 AM] jvaler#0000 oh i see what you mean [12-Feb-25 06:47 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I’m at the point, where I could give a grant, then receiving one 😂 [12-Feb-25 06:47 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But I got my AL base on Deimos financed with it - good times 🙂 [12-Feb-25 07:26 AM] jvaler#0000 i mean the CU probably *would* have sold... eventually =P [12-Feb-25 07:53 AM] razesdark#0000 I sold 1400 CU last night alone...(never mind that it didnt really sell for ages, that is just details) [12-Feb-25 08:19 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I’m not sure about the heavy metal markets. They are extremely limited by their transportation requirements, that people tend to produce them on site. That might change tho with the new HCB. Also, you don’t need as much of CU and AU as of e.g. AL, so the demand is lower. And CU is probably over-inflated due to the gateway hoarders (SP), which will stop eventually as soon as they have there stock levels reached. [12-Feb-25 08:20 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And, since metals are low-tier materials, margins on them aren’t desirable. Combined with the high transportation requirements, you get the current market prices 😅 [12-Feb-25 08:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 (which are at least for CU sinking, since many people jumped onto it when it was like 100k profit a day) [12-Feb-25 08:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Also something you shouldn’t do as a newer player - having stock just sitting on the market [12-Feb-25 08:23 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Markets like AL, C, RAT and DW are optimal, because you can quickly liquidate the materials. [12-Feb-25 08:23 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Sitting on PWO, PT, CU and AU isn’t really practical, when you only have cash to restock for a few days [12-Feb-25 11:06 AM] tanda#0000 SP will be required for gateway maintenance [12-Feb-25 11:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 We’ll see. Gateways aren’t at the horizon and many gateways are already funded. [13-Feb-25 10:02 PM] vanarazor#0000 Okay I am ready [13-Feb-25 10:02 PM] vanarazor#0000 I am now favorable to request a grant [13-Feb-25 10:02 PM] vanarazor#0000 this is my actual base: https://prunplanner.org/shared/e71d18e2-42f7-4994-8d23-de31617b1518 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/e71d18e2-42f7-4994-8d23-de31617b1518 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [13-Feb-25 10:04 PM] vanarazor#0000 this is what I aim to achieve on my base with 1 permit: https://prunplanner.org/shared/226bcc4f-dcb4-4e27-a463-f382d6386dbb {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/226bcc4f-dcb4-4e27-a463-f382d6386dbb PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [13-Feb-25 10:06 PM] jvaler#0000 no STO? [13-Feb-25 10:07 PM] vanarazor#0000 I am not sure what is a STO [13-Feb-25 10:09 PM] survivorbob#0000 It's a building that adds 5k/5k local storage in exchange for 15 area. Having at least 1 is useful for most builds [13-Feb-25 10:10 PM] jvaler#0000 currently that build will reach max storage in just 3 days [13-Feb-25 10:10 PM] jvaler#0000 not very sustainable [13-Feb-25 10:13 PM] jvaler#0000 also phobos resource deposits are pretty bad. i suppose it at least works, but the numbers are pretty meh {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1339811830956163072/image.png?ex=6814ef41&is=68139dc1&hm=3b6e3ce7c05f060a87a30e77df50ba052968975894023f5be0d4a7d4ee41d93f& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1339811831262478437/image.png?ex=6814ef41&is=68139dc1&hm=611ab01919eb27b715e77f4ca115bd869b5ca8197e0667dbfc1b16292e530fa6& [13-Feb-25 10:14 PM] jvaler#0000 WU-070a or norwick are where most people extract SIO [13-Feb-25 10:14 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh I see 2.61 days [13-Feb-25 10:17 PM] jvaler#0000 something like this would make you considerably more profit for the same capital cost {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1339812623214051410/image.png?ex=6814effd&is=68139e7d&hm=660da6d52f9d9ae1a78a679284b2fd185e267cb89821c46fcd3d4a5fae8bc222& [13-Feb-25 10:19 PM] vanarazor#0000 I selected AI1 for CX and it gives me this [13-Feb-25 10:19 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1339813272605560853/image.png?ex=6814f098&is=68139f18&hm=89b91d66949a8218a3a0579d9043284206a0c6b23a754cba109b30eaf25a56af& [13-Feb-25 10:20 PM] vanarazor#0000 37.539K [13-Feb-25 10:20 PM] jvaler#0000 AI1 isn't enough info to know what your settings are [13-Feb-25 10:20 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm using PP7D_AI1 average [13-Feb-25 10:20 PM] jvaler#0000 and also 3 food industries experts, like your other plan was. [13-Feb-25 10:21 PM] vanarazor#0000 even as a metallurgist I can have access to food industries experts ? [13-Feb-25 10:21 PM] jvaler#0000 yes https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/index.html#experts {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/index.html Efficiency factors :: Prosperous Universe Handbook Prosperous Universe Wiki [13-Feb-25 10:22 PM] jvaler#0000 you're not a metallurgist if you have no metallurgy buildings. your starter profession has no bearing on the rest of your gameplay, all it does is determine your starting resource kit [13-Feb-25 10:23 PM] jvaler#0000 and EXT doesn't benefit from metallurgy experts anyways =P [13-Feb-25 10:23 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1339814230920269865/image.png?ex=6814f17d&is=68139ffd&hm=01c15fe0086d4802fcc516e03669e70ff24f8e273b55ec4e01db1deb5ba00107& [13-Feb-25 10:23 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1339814301996810321/image.png?ex=6814f18e&is=6813a00e&hm=aedc77b854cf5fa5973d37a54aa5250ce44da4fc47c6c32b070a27ef7df052fc& [13-Feb-25 10:23 PM] vanarazor#0000 it does give me 46.86k [13-Feb-25 10:24 PM] jvaler#0000 universe =/= AI1 but close enough [13-Feb-25 10:24 PM] jvaler#0000 also you don't need to set duplicate settings for planet CX when you already have it set for empire [13-Feb-25 10:31 PM] vanarazor#0000 okay then by the looks of it this is the best plan to get started, I now need to hunt for a better place for a second base [13-Feb-25 10:32 PM] jvaler#0000 taiyi's map and YAPT are your friend [13-Feb-25 10:32 PM] jvaler#0000 i'll go ahead and send the grant {Reactions} ❤️ [13-Feb-25 10:33 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/yas-oh-yeah-gif-12490998435707637511 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/yas-oh-yeah-gif-12490998435707637511 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/PHaM2CMstDryBOKOq2vTKSlSlip0jb5G69PjK9-D8sA/https/media.tenor.com/rVjw5apQTwcAAAAe/yas-oh-yeah.png [13-Feb-25 11:32 PM] jcheung#0000 to clarify why they're looking at SIO on phobos, i gave them that option as the current best of bad options for starting on phobos >.> [13-Feb-25 11:32 PM] jcheung#0000 though i suppose i didn't check HER there [13-Feb-25 11:52 PM] vanarazor#0000 omg HER is even better than DW .. [13-Feb-25 11:53 PM] vanarazor#0000 hw ever not as many buyers than for DW on AI1 [13-Feb-25 11:57 PM] vanarazor#0000 MEA looks good too but no as much demand either [13-Feb-25 11:59 PM] jcheung#0000 MEA is going to cost too much for you to try [13-Feb-25 11:59 PM] jcheung#0000 FIM might be doable [13-Feb-25 11:59 PM] jcheung#0000 but MEA is going to tie up a lot of your money [14-Feb-25 12:24 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 Hi, I'm looking to start the grant program process but have no clue where to begin except for the website that was mentioned (prunplanner). I'd like to focus on drilling for ores and smelting them as the primary focus. Right now I have access to aluminium so any pointers would be appreciated. 🙂 [14-Feb-25 12:25 PM] laaxus#0000 take a look at #agp-information [14-Feb-25 12:25 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 ✅ [14-Feb-25 12:26 PM] laaxus#0000 the usual process is that you suggest a base (the way you'd spend your grant) [14-Feb-25 12:26 PM] laaxus#0000 and we will have a back and forth discussion [14-Feb-25 12:26 PM] laaxus#0000 and once somebody is convinced its grant won't be wasted, he gives it to you [14-Feb-25 12:26 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 Oh okay, so it's pretty open ended then [14-Feb-25 12:26 PM] laaxus#0000 the main goal is to make you avoid common pitfall [14-Feb-25 12:26 PM] laaxus#0000 yes [14-Feb-25 12:27 PM] laaxus#0000 tho we'd heavily recommend producing something with a high liquidity [14-Feb-25 12:27 PM] laaxus#0000 (avoid cu) [14-Feb-25 12:27 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 CU? [14-Feb-25 12:27 PM] laaxus#0000 there are three commands you need to learn : BUI MAT BRA [14-Feb-25 12:27 PM] laaxus#0000 (CXM if you have pro) [14-Feb-25 12:27 PM] realharvey#0000 We do not want to tell you what to do, but we want to make sure that you have one base that is able to generate you decent profit which enables you to do what your heart desires [14-Feb-25 12:27 PM] laaxus#0000 try 'MAT CU' [14-Feb-25 12:28 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 I do have pro actually [14-Feb-25 12:28 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 Ahhh okay, copper. Got it [14-Feb-25 12:28 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 Abbreviations... Lol [14-Feb-25 12:29 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 Understandable 🫡 [14-Feb-25 12:29 PM] laaxus#0000 https://youtu.be/Vi-i6rLZMaQ?si=rZSgFkkQ26JBcYz0 {Embed} Lord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-i6rLZMaQ How to use Prunplanner for Prosperous Universe Hopefully this video helps you understand how to set up Prunplanner, if you have any questions please leave them below --Links-- The official Prosp discord https://discord.gg/YkwpJ2hdDE Link to Prunplanner https://prunplanner.org/ Background audio used https://youtu.be/EM5KwkTQzsE Ending music from Sweet Cafe https://youtu.be/6DhONAQfEVg https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DSq6GXwpy1FwDBpBlIBMy2TpSSXULzOp4ckXQXPKUp0/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/Vi-i6rLZMaQ/maxresdefault.jpg [14-Feb-25 12:31 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 I see what you mean about that liquidity. Copper doesn't move a lot in a day compared to something like aluminium, even though the price is higher. You could make way more on AL before the market runs dry on CU [14-Feb-25 12:32 PM] laaxus#0000 The point is, your cash is low [14-Feb-25 12:33 PM] laaxus#0000 so you have to sell your output good [14-Feb-25 12:33 PM] laaxus#0000 so that you can buy your input good [14-Feb-25 12:33 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 Right, but if there's nowhere to sell then you've got a BIG problem [14-Feb-25 12:34 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah, hence why I recommend this cx settings {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1340028522680549478/image.png?ex=68151050&is=6813bed0&hm=638640453bfa2a75c0f26c12e7a06df505d37e31ac130169bca6c6322a3bb14f& [14-Feb-25 12:35 PM] laaxus#0000 which is a floor for profit [14-Feb-25 12:35 PM] laaxus#0000 selling into the bid [14-Feb-25 12:35 PM] laaxus#0000 it's **excellent** for new players [14-Feb-25 12:35 PM] laaxus#0000 and very good for medium old players [14-Feb-25 12:35 PM] laaxus#0000 that's what I still use [14-Feb-25 12:59 PM] jcheung#0000 AGP is usually only granted to pro [14-Feb-25 01:13 PM] realharvey#0000 You can still get advice even without pro [14-Feb-25 01:24 PM] jcheung#0000 Yes [14-Feb-25 01:35 PM] vanarazor#0000 @jvaler howdy [14-Feb-25 01:40 PM] vanarazor#0000 @jvaler o7, Thank you for believing in my company, I look forward to a fruitful future together. [14-Feb-25 01:45 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 Anyone have any thoughts on this plan I put together so far? https://i.gyazo.com/83bb56bed248ef573a43ee9ccb23bd0e.png {Embed} https://i.gyazo.com/83bb56bed248ef573a43ee9ccb23bd0e.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/FZnob0WWnF8XLLOxqxrJmdyiCYJ_dY5UB_frHhkR_qY/https/i.gyazo.com/83bb56bed248ef573a43ee9ccb23bd0e.png [14-Feb-25 02:10 PM] archielvahr#0000 Looks pretty reasonable, although I'd probably recommend importing the O rather than getting it from Deimos. With various boosts, dedicated oxygen planets will get 3x better efficiency per building. [14-Feb-25 02:11 PM] vanarazor#0000 any experts available to boost productivity? [14-Feb-25 02:11 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah, good suggestion. Your first few experts will come pretty quick so I'd probably put 3 or 4 experts into metallurgy on that plan. [14-Feb-25 02:11 PM] archielvahr#0000 That might change how the materials balance [14-Feb-25 02:12 PM] archielvahr#0000 You can swap those COL for more SME and see if your profit of 42k goes up or down [14-Feb-25 02:12 PM] archielvahr#0000 It's reasonable to diversify on your first planet though, it's more fun than specializing. so I don't push back too hard on the COL or the INC [14-Feb-25 02:12 PM] archielvahr#0000 Overall a good plan 🙂 [14-Feb-25 02:19 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 Looks like I've got 2 metallurgy experts [14-Feb-25 02:22 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 I'll be able to get about 2k AIC extra without the collectors [14-Feb-25 02:27 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 This looks pretty solid now https://i.gyazo.com/67fbc595eefca42c29aaaa22f696cd8e.png {Embed} https://i.gyazo.com/67fbc595eefca42c29aaaa22f696cd8e.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/4faWfXAdTNUUR287Gle9GlEAoISIBkjOWcnIvQGfOw8/https/i.gyazo.com/67fbc595eefca42c29aaaa22f696cd8e.png [14-Feb-25 02:28 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 My only concern with this config is that my profits would be more directly tied to my input costs since I'm not manufacturing some of those [14-Feb-25 02:28 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 But that extra 8k AIC profit per day does look pretty nice [14-Feb-25 02:32 PM] laaxus#0000 i'd remove one permit [14-Feb-25 02:32 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 Hmm... Also some other considerations is that while this new config is technically more "profitable", it's much higher in input costs so the cashflow goes more to expenses percentage-wise compared to the previous picture I sent. Not *as* efficient [14-Feb-25 02:32 PM] laaxus#0000 people usually recommend to stay at 1 permit per base [14-Feb-25 02:32 PM] laaxus#0000 but at first, it's not bad [14-Feb-25 02:32 PM] laaxus#0000 it's just a good habit to take [14-Feb-25 02:32 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 Why is that? [14-Feb-25 02:33 PM] laaxus#0000 permit becomes the main limiter to exponential growth past lvl 20 [14-Feb-25 02:33 PM] laaxus#0000 a permit cost very little at first [14-Feb-25 02:33 PM] laaxus#0000 then it grows to 10 50 100 500 millions [14-Feb-25 02:34 PM] laaxus#0000 so yeah [14-Feb-25 02:34 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 Woah [14-Feb-25 02:34 PM] laaxus#0000 (at first, you'll want to maximise ROI [14-Feb-25 02:34 PM] laaxus#0000 then you'll want to maximise PROFIT / PERMIT [14-Feb-25 02:34 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 yeah, eventually the buildings are basically free next to the permits. [14-Feb-25 02:34 PM] laaxus#0000 this is on the premise that you want ot maximize your growth, you should do what's fun to you, even if not optimal [14-Feb-25 02:35 PM] .shiva.#0000 you can do 6 EXT / 12 SME + 1 STO to start, which fits in 500 area. you'll be slightly negative on ALO past 3 Metallurgy experts [14-Feb-25 02:36 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 What if I already took the permit to lvl 2 on my base in-game? :nervous: [14-Feb-25 02:36 PM] .shiva.#0000 which is not a big deal, since your ships will be mostly empty going to the base [14-Feb-25 02:37 PM] .shiva.#0000 `BS` buffer lets you add/remove [14-Feb-25 02:37 PM] laaxus#0000 you can easily remove and add it [14-Feb-25 02:37 PM] laaxus#0000 no worry [14-Feb-25 02:37 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 Oh, there's no penalty for downsizing? That's good to hear [14-Feb-25 02:37 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 As long as there's space I'm assuming [14-Feb-25 02:37 PM] .shiva.#0000 yeah [14-Feb-25 02:38 PM] .shiva.#0000 if you're above you have to deconstruct buildings to <=500 area [14-Feb-25 02:38 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 Makes sense [14-Feb-25 02:40 PM] .shiva.#0000 one thing that's also worth checking out on bases is this button: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1340060123162214440/image.png?ex=681484fe&is=6813337e&hm=3a4397a67d7bf3f7990022a9e6e088a0201d2107ed0f5013bdef3517e40c78d6& [14-Feb-25 02:41 PM] .shiva.#0000 that will show you how often you need to import/export materials, and how quickly your storage will fill up {Reactions} 👍 [14-Feb-25 06:22 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 Would it be a problem if my cost is under the 1 mil AIC grant amount? I suppose I could use the spare cash to buy supplies https://i.gyazo.com/65a7d57ebccdad032fd71b6ee3e0f06e.png {Embed} https://i.gyazo.com/65a7d57ebccdad032fd71b6ee3e0f06e.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/14reWeCg3p1G6CqTTocC2WIQloTVUloFMrtqU4Cj2SA/https/i.gyazo.com/65a7d57ebccdad032fd71b6ee3e0f06e.png [14-Feb-25 06:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Not a problem at all [14-Feb-25 06:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think it would be a good idea to use some of the money for the base and supplies [14-Feb-25 06:26 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 Well I suppose in that case, this is pretty much ready to submit then unless anyone has additional feedback to provide [14-Feb-25 06:28 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 Looks like I'm at about 15 days in that regard https://i.gyazo.com/ea9d9e40db80e4fc4366fec74a9d34ce.png {Embed} https://i.gyazo.com/ea9d9e40db80e4fc4366fec74a9d34ce.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bhmSHqu4_8UEw-lkQ48BA5lFo8BAyFA6WAcfipstp4U/https/i.gyazo.com/ea9d9e40db80e4fc4366fec74a9d34ce.png [14-Feb-25 06:30 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 Hmm... But if my ship is 500m3 I'd assume that would actually be exporting every 1.5 days to keep up with production [14-Feb-25 06:31 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 Thankfully I have 2 ships of that size, and it takes about a day round trip to reach the exchange [14-Feb-25 06:31 PM] .shiva.#0000 yeah, that's kinda just how SME bases go [14-Feb-25 06:31 PM] .shiva.#0000 once you get a WCB (1k/3k ship upgrade) it's much better [14-Feb-25 06:32 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 It's actually kinda nice, when I first started the game I queued up my first production and practically had nothing to do for about 12 hours LOL [14-Feb-25 09:22 PM] jcheung#0000 generally you want to keep some "oh shit i screwed up" money and some "i need to supply my base" money [14-Feb-25 09:23 PM] jcheung#0000 can i get a share link for that base? [14-Feb-25 09:23 PM] jcheung#0000 it's view only if you're worried about me breaking something [14-Feb-25 09:30 PM] rj_rayjay#0000 Here you go: https://prunplanner.org/shared/ef2acdca-7453-440d-9c45-af31d637335b {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/ef2acdca-7453-440d-9c45-af31d637335b PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [14-Feb-25 09:34 PM] jcheung#0000 ok. so by no means do you have to do this, but i would consider dropping a SME for another STO [14-Feb-25 09:35 PM] jcheung#0000 gives you more time to do other things with your ships, or be lazy about collecting [14-Feb-25 09:36 PM] jcheung#0000 on the other hand, that setup with only 1 STO isn't terrible on shipping and fill time, and you don't have the funds to fill 'er up for like 20 days anyways [15-Feb-25 12:00 AM] vanarazor#0000 I'm kind of jealous of you @rj_rayjay , I wanted to be part of the smelting industry!!! One day I ll get in [15-Feb-25 12:01 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You still can [15-Feb-25 10:22 AM] klick_i#0000 Hey, here are my 2x plans for the first Base. 1st https://prunplanner.org/shared/74667525-e683-4358-8ac1-57ee6e451417 It is a pure metal manufacturing base. The advantage is high profit and kept simple. The disadvantage is regular purchases and micromanagement. 2st https://prunplanner.org/shared/2bdf4f0d-b02d-4d95-93f1-ae3ca6616a13 It is certainly not intentional, but I have tried to build everything relatively autonomously. Consumables excluded. The advantage would be less shopping and therefore less micromanagement, but the disadvantage would be less profit. These were the only ideas I had so far and I am always open to tips! 🙂 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/74667525-e683-4358-8ac1-57ee6e451417 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/2bdf4f0d-b02d-4d95-93f1-ae3ca6616a13 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [15-Feb-25 10:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 If you ask me, go for the base with the higher profit. I guess its your first base. You can use both of your ships for the logistics. Higher profits mean you can expand faster {Reactions} 👍 [15-Feb-25 10:48 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yup, I'll echo Pxlfox's thoughts there. I'm guessing the specialized plan does better. And you will have more than 2 experts in no time. [15-Feb-25 10:48 AM] archielvahr#0000 Also be sure to add the luxury goods for your pioneers, so their efficiency goes from 79% to 100%, it more than pays for the cost of the goods [15-Feb-25 10:48 AM] archielvahr#0000 Other than those tips, this sounds good and I'll send your grant! [15-Feb-25 10:51 AM] archielvahr#0000 Also looks good to me and I'll send your grant. Very siimilar to Xerwantes plan [15-Feb-25 10:55 AM] archielvahr#0000 If we missed anyone, let me know! [15-Feb-25 11:01 AM] klick_i#0000 Thank you 🙂 [15-Feb-25 11:59 AM] archielvahr#0000 Filled! [15-Feb-25 11:59 AM] rj_rayjay#0000 Thank you! ❤️ {Reactions} 👍 [15-Feb-25 03:04 PM] laaxus#0000 @angrygrunt85 please don't talk in informations channels [15-Feb-25 03:05 PM] laaxus#0000 about your request to consider new antares as part of antares .... [15-Feb-25 03:05 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/ill-allow-it-ken-jeong-korean-mexican-hat-gif-5187167 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/ill-allow-it-ken-jeong-korean-mexican-hat-gif-5187167 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2GkvyboeYDBTI0Xm1pK-xHEpBi3Myqt8uB2B02pBo24/https/media.tenor.com/XerYmHTKWDUAAAAe/ill-allow-it-ken-jeong.png [15-Feb-25 03:06 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 ok, whats the next step? honestly dont trust Prun Planner to give accurate numbers right no so Im setting up a spread sheet for the expantion cost [15-Feb-25 03:07 PM] laaxus#0000 ok, why do you think prunplanner doesn't give you accurate numbers ? [15-Feb-25 03:07 PM] laaxus#0000 you can chose the numbers you want in cx settings [15-Feb-25 03:08 PM] laaxus#0000 you can even hardcode them if you'd rather that [15-Feb-25 03:09 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 it shorted me mats for both my bases and not by a little [15-Feb-25 03:13 PM] laaxus#0000 that's probably because you didn't put correct CX settings [15-Feb-25 03:13 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 I used ben, and set it as such [15-Feb-25 03:14 PM] laaxus#0000 jsut setting ben isn't enough [15-Feb-25 03:14 PM] laaxus#0000 did you put buy at buy ? [15-Feb-25 03:14 PM] laaxus#0000 at sell at sell ? [15-Feb-25 03:14 PM] laaxus#0000 avg is the last value sold, so it's worthless [15-Feb-25 03:16 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 yes-out of the planned 20 SME's, 8 HB1's and 1 STO It ended up only being enough mats for about 6 SME's, 5 HB1's and the 1 STO [15-Feb-25 03:16 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm sorry to say that it is a you error [15-Feb-25 03:16 PM] laaxus#0000 prunplanner is VERY accurate [15-Feb-25 03:16 PM] laaxus#0000 this just means you didn't put the correct settings [15-Feb-25 03:17 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 boob has had issues with it too [15-Feb-25 03:17 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1340431929886900315/image.png?ex=68148dc4&is=68133c44&hm=68f907eb5e933dbff71e35ab7086780f82f2fd477d12d59b7101cf875801fa94& [15-Feb-25 03:18 PM] laaxus#0000 that's the settings I recommend [15-Feb-25 03:18 PM] laaxus#0000 (replace AI1 with your local cx) [15-Feb-25 03:18 PM] razenpok#0000 Maybe you had incorrect values in the construction cart? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1340432080789573703/image.png?ex=68148de8&is=68133c68&hm=d4762ad599963dbc10cb74d5dec1f2528deb4c39aaa44cfe0b64e851b1b8026e& [15-Feb-25 03:18 PM] laaxus#0000 happens often [15-Feb-25 03:18 PM] laaxus#0000 but yeah, prunplanner is so accurate {Reactions} 👆 [15-Feb-25 03:19 PM] laaxus#0000 I use it to verify that my sheet has no math mistake [15-Feb-25 03:19 PM] laaxus#0000 If any value on my sheet is different from prunplanner [15-Feb-25 03:19 PM] laaxus#0000 then it's a sheet issue, not a prunplanner issue [15-Feb-25 03:20 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm not saying you HAVE to use prunplanner [15-Feb-25 03:20 PM] laaxus#0000 using a sheet is perfectly fine [15-Feb-25 03:20 PM] laaxus#0000 but don't say that prunplanner is inaccurate, because it's wrong [15-Feb-25 03:21 PM] laaxus#0000 and I'd recommend using prunplanner to double check your sheet, to be sure you've not done any mistake [15-Feb-25 03:22 PM] laaxus#0000 (and again you can hardcode any price) [15-Feb-25 03:23 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 the numbers prun planner overshot MCG and undershot HSE by a few hundred for the setup on YI-280d wen buying from ben [15-Feb-25 03:24 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 - no i did not set sell ammount, just buy for the mats [15-Feb-25 03:30 PM] tanda#0000 Across 20 bases, Prun planner has never failed to tell me the correct mats. Something else happened [15-Feb-25 03:30 PM] jcheung#0000 are you sure that you bought the right amounts? [15-Feb-25 03:30 PM] jcheung#0000 do you have open asks? [15-Feb-25 03:31 PM] jcheung#0000 i have, but it's because i put in the wrong number of habs 😜 [15-Feb-25 03:31 PM] laaxus#0000 Same [15-Feb-25 03:32 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 no open asks,- but thinking there might be another issue because it wont share the CX settings [15-Feb-25 03:45 PM] vanarazor#0000 could be cache issue, planner page needs to be reloaded after CX settings saved [15-Feb-25 03:47 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 didnt think of that, turned off cache for web browsing [15-Feb-25 04:22 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 can someone double check the numbers? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1340448282123436112/image.png?ex=68149cfe&is=68134b7e&hm=aaf31b027beecf1a01ff37665cc2bf01959d26e05a5b5237e831748491bcf7c4& [15-Feb-25 04:29 PM] vanarazor#0000 I'm **new** here, so take my words lightly but if you construction plan is to get from: - 13FP to 18FP (or build 5) - 39RIG to 51RIG (or build 12 ) - 17 HB1 to 23 HB1 (or build 6) _then_ that built-in table seems to be **accurate**, as for the cost, I believe you 'll to make sure the right CX settings is selected Ps: you specified having 863 MCG and 4 BSE in stock [15-Feb-25 04:33 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 adding RIG, FP, and HB1's based off of ben CX [15-Feb-25 04:34 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 what is in blue is my current stock of mats at Eth (bottem table) [15-Feb-25 04:37 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/eff5448f-3ab5-44a2-84db-ff7ff2d23089 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/eff5448f-3ab5-44a2-84db-ff7ff2d23089 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [15-Feb-25 04:38 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 lets see if its fixed [16-Feb-25 04:24 PM] iggydotexe#0000 My grant-funded base is going good! Thank you agp for the boost to get started! {Reactions} 👏 (2) dancyboi 🎉 [16-Feb-25 04:25 PM] tanda#0000 Glad to hear it! [16-Feb-25 06:21 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 @tanda figured out what was going on with prun planner. I disabled my cache cleaner {Reactions} link_cool (3) fishahhh [17-Feb-25 11:30 AM] angrygrunt85#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/eff5448f-3ab5-44a2-84db-ff7ff2d23089 this is what I am aiming for {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/eff5448f-3ab5-44a2-84db-ff7ff2d23089 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [17-Feb-25 11:30 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Cool cool [17-Feb-25 11:32 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I don’t think 1 million will cover all that at first [17-Feb-25 11:32 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But I like the plan [17-Feb-25 11:32 AM] angrygrunt85#0000 im expanding from 500 to 750 [17-Feb-25 11:32 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oooh 😲 [17-Feb-25 11:32 AM] tanda#0000 Can we see your current building counts? {Reactions} 👆 [17-Feb-25 11:34 AM] angrygrunt85#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/7d08e327-93e9-4444-81a5-e786e8f5d102 this is current- to include experts {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/7d08e327-93e9-4444-81a5-e786e8f5d102 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [17-Feb-25 11:35 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So 8 FP 27 RIG and 11 HB1 [17-Feb-25 11:35 AM] .urpalhal#0000 And you want to go up to [17-Feb-25 11:35 AM] angrygrunt85#0000 yep [17-Feb-25 11:35 AM] .urpalhal#0000 13 FP 39 RIG 17 HB1 [17-Feb-25 11:36 AM] angrygrunt85#0000 about setup for perm trade partners on the DW and H2O {Reactions} 🫡 [17-Feb-25 11:36 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So 5 more MP 12 more rig and 6 more HB1 [17-Feb-25 11:38 AM] angrygrunt85#0000 this expantion will allow for more trade on both the DW and H2O while supplying poth partners with there needs [17-Feb-25 11:39 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Aren’t you making about 10 extra water per day? [17-Feb-25 11:41 AM] angrygrunt85#0000 should be a bit more than that, the contract i have is for 10k [17-Feb-25 11:42 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok technically it’s 2026 but you use 2010 per day [17-Feb-25 11:44 AM] .urpalhal#0000 (I’m not trying to rag on your plan or anything just want to understand, and then set you up for success) [17-Feb-25 11:47 AM] angrygrunt85#0000 16 H2O x 7 days is a bit slim if this contract turns in to a perm trade , increasing output will allow for greater production per run allowing me to fill the order while DW is still cooking [17-Feb-25 11:48 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah I mean you could do the water contract but you would only have 4k water for the whole week for yourself [17-Feb-25 11:48 AM] angrygrunt85#0000 532 DW/w is currently doable but doesnt leave me much for CX [17-Feb-25 11:49 AM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1341104184531091588/IMG_0175.png?ex=6815059a&is=6813b41a&hm=39181c0042c6d101b24942037dda1ddd877b9291b73c0a7b90bcc974c0fa28e5& [17-Feb-25 11:49 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I’m just going off of the numbers here from your plan [17-Feb-25 11:50 AM] .urpalhal#0000 In is how much you use, out is how much you produce and delta is the difference [17-Feb-25 11:50 AM] angrygrunt85#0000 supplying my 2 bases with the DW on top of the contract leaves roughly an exess of 150-200u for CX [17-Feb-25 11:51 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok cool cool [17-Feb-25 11:51 AM] .urpalhal#0000 And you’re selling the H2O as well? [17-Feb-25 11:53 AM] angrygrunt85#0000 yes [17-Feb-25 11:54 AM] angrygrunt85#0000 that is if i have exess H2O to sell outside of contracts [17-Feb-25 12:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I’m not sure you’ll have much excess to begin with [17-Feb-25 12:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Your FP are only going to make DW? [17-Feb-25 12:03 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 yes [17-Feb-25 12:05 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 thanks for that catch [17-Feb-25 12:06 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 change that from 13 FP and 39 RIG to 12 and 40 {Reactions} 🫡 [17-Feb-25 12:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You’ll be making 222/d so about 1409 per week [17-Feb-25 12:19 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 puts the fulfilment at 45 days for 10k... [17-Feb-25 01:50 PM] angrygrunt85#0000 ok so the perm trade is confirmed, 46 days for 10k H2O, and weekly shipments of DW, on top of supplying my 2 bases leaves roughly 600-700u/d DW for the CX after the expantion [17-Feb-25 05:01 PM] vanarazor#0000 Told ya it was the cache [17-Feb-25 05:01 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-steve-carell-told-you-wink-gif-4824542 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-steve-carell-told-you-wink-gif-4824542 wink https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/e6NohFJmiMFhNsyHQGbY4ZqspGlvXgP_qbDL31iKH8k/https/media.tenor.com/SVVbsdDUok8AAAAe/the-office-michael-scott.png [18-Feb-25 10:54 AM] klick_i#0000 Hello, is this the right channel to get help with base building? [18-Feb-25 10:55 AM] laaxus#0000 sure [18-Feb-25 11:07 AM] klick_i#0000 I build this base https://prunplanner.org/shared/74667525-e683-4358-8ac1-57ee6e451417 the planner says i produce enough ALO for my 11 SME but i do not... i have a diff like ~23ALO 6x EXT produce in 24h 168 ALO (1x EXT produce in 12h 14 ALO) 11x SME need in 24h ~186 (1x SME need 6 ALO in 8h32min) i dont see my failure pls help {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/74667525-e683-4358-8ac1-57ee6e451417 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [18-Feb-25 11:08 AM] jab.sh#0000 do you have 5 metallurgy experts? [18-Feb-25 11:08 AM] jab.sh#0000 the planner says with 4 you still have excess ALO, but with 5 it's a deficit [18-Feb-25 11:09 AM] klick_i#0000 i have 3/5 Experts {Reactions} 👍 [18-Feb-25 11:09 AM] jab.sh#0000 your HQ gives you a 10% metallurgy bonus? [18-Feb-25 11:09 AM] jab.sh#0000 can you screenshot the "new order" screen on your SME [18-Feb-25 11:10 AM] klick_i#0000 ohh thats it the HQ Bonus is 25% -.- [18-Feb-25 11:11 AM] jab.sh#0000 you can probably make it work by switching your experts to resource extraction [18-Feb-25 11:12 AM] klick_i#0000 how i can set in the planner the HQ Bonus? [18-Feb-25 11:12 AM] jab.sh#0000 you need to set the number of permits under empire [18-Feb-25 11:14 AM] klick_i#0000 but ingame i have only one permit? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1341457948437909615/image.png?ex=6814fd91&is=6813ac11&hm=b3e5af5521dbfdcbbb0e14ae1492d9beabd9be461596ac6e840066d4f6fce5be& [18-Feb-25 11:16 AM] jab.sh#0000 you sure it's 25% then? [18-Feb-25 11:16 AM] klick_i#0000 ok i use 1 of 3 permits [18-Feb-25 11:16 AM] jab.sh#0000 your HQ permits, not base permits [18-Feb-25 11:16 AM] klick_i#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1341458400214777958/image.png?ex=6814fdfd&is=6813ac7d&hm=7aada67acd6ab1cf38099618ed4d7dc3e88e88810cfe534f04aa022f0b48addd& [18-Feb-25 11:17 AM] kelvinfu#0000 Not that [18-Feb-25 11:19 AM] kelvinfu#0000 You won't have an HQ bonus I think? I'm assuming that Deimos is your only planet [18-Feb-25 11:19 AM] archielvahr#0000 You're based in Antares, so your HQ gives you a small bonus to electronics. By only using 1 of 3 permits, it is a slightly larger than 10% bonus. But only for electronics. And you don't have a corp HQ. [18-Feb-25 11:19 AM] jab.sh#0000 show these two screens please {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1341459174470582332/screenshot_20250218101923.png?ex=6814feb6&is=6813ad36&hm=4f5193e2b13345ee02e91c17536966e73b8658ba500942677ffcd3bab26ae88a& [18-Feb-25 11:21 AM] archielvahr#0000 So "Metallurgy" COGC is correct, your experts is probably correct. [18-Feb-25 11:21 AM] archielvahr#0000 Make sure you are using the recipe with FLX: [18-Feb-25 11:21 AM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2025-02-18_11-21-06.png {Embed} http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2025-02-18_11-21-06.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/TYX40WBvNQ0ZJWcTL0jOAe6HPEiEyMVUYoXaASTJ-64/http/kortham.net/temp/firefox_2025-02-18_11-21-06.png [18-Feb-25 11:21 AM] archielvahr#0000 The one without FLX is faster but you get less AL. It might account for the difference in ALO consumption between the plans [18-Feb-25 11:22 AM] archielvahr#0000 Also as you get resource extraction experts, slot those in too. Your end ratio will be 5 metallurgy, 1 resource extraction, but you might be at 4 / 2 until you get your 5th metallurgy [18-Feb-25 11:23 AM] archielvahr#0000 Also if the base is new you might not have your full workforce. The ratio should be maintained though. 🤷‍♂️ [18-Feb-25 11:23 AM] archielvahr#0000 But yeah, share screenshots of your two PRODCO buffers, so we can see those percentages [18-Feb-25 11:24 AM] klick_i#0000 ok i confirm the wrong bonus in metallurgy. It is the electronic bonus. Screenshots are coming [18-Feb-25 11:26 AM] klick_i#0000 are this the correct screenshots? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1341460911839510628/image.png?ex=68150054&is=6813aed4&hm=fe842c0707b911d330b649dff7b0a9f9375b443bd4b0a648c27b71bf12300160& [18-Feb-25 11:27 AM] klick_i#0000 i am using the normel recipe ALO+O+C atm [18-Feb-25 11:30 AM] kelvinfu#0000 The no flx recipe will put you at a deficit of ALO. [18-Feb-25 11:30 AM] kelvinfu#0000 That should be right [18-Feb-25 11:30 AM] klick_i#0000 and its more worth to use this recipe? [18-Feb-25 11:31 AM] kelvinfu#0000 I think the recipe with FLX is better? [18-Feb-25 11:31 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes [18-Feb-25 11:32 AM] klick_i#0000 ok i will produce AL now with FLX. Thank you for your help guys!!! 🙂 [18-Feb-25 11:32 AM] jab.sh#0000 thank you. you need to check lux for your pioneers, and then uncheck the HQ on base box if it's checked [18-Feb-25 11:32 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You make more AL per ALO [18-Feb-25 11:33 AM] klick_i#0000 like this? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1341462596678717461/image.png?ex=681501e6&is=6813b066&hm=2d46a9009b658d7eb9f92a653ea8e52c7b7d3843a47eb282fc4c0f7b8073d21f& [18-Feb-25 11:33 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yep check that box {Reactions} 👍 [18-Feb-25 11:33 AM] jab.sh#0000 uncheck it you mean? [18-Feb-25 11:34 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Uh [18-Feb-25 11:34 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Don’t check that box unless you are in a Corp and it has an HQ on that planet [18-Feb-25 11:34 AM] .urpalhal#0000 For example OOG has an HQ on Nike so we get a boost there [18-Feb-25 11:35 AM] .urpalhal#0000 (I need to work on reading comprehension) {Reactions} 🤣 [18-Feb-25 11:35 AM] laaxus#0000 honestly, just let it unchecked {Reactions} 😂 [25-Feb-25 01:05 AM] vanarazor#0000 So are we checking that box or not ? 🫠🫠🫠🫠 [25-Feb-25 01:05 AM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-idk-i-dont-know-who-knows-shrug-gif-4611257 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-idk-i-dont-know-who-knows-shrug-gif-4611257 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/M-BE6cFPODbZ91LMr_3a3MeWXWWJGF7Hg8LVZ6UOhkE/https/media.tenor.com/GaQDZd7IYe4AAAAe/power-rangers-idk.png [25-Feb-25 01:44 AM] laaxus#0000 well, in 99% of cases, no [27-Feb-25 05:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so in the case you would be chekcing the box [27-Feb-25 05:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 for OOG we have an HQ on Nike so my PP2's get a boost there [27-Feb-25 05:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 or for CULT they have one on Origo so they would get a boost there [27-Feb-25 05:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and that boost is independent of the COGC [28-Feb-25 03:38 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Hello.Who do I talk too about a grant? [28-Feb-25 03:39 AM] jcheung#0000 just talk in here. if someone with funds likes what they see, they'll give you a grant [28-Feb-25 03:39 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Okay. Here's my plan. [28-Feb-25 03:39 AM] jcheung#0000 it helps to have a prunplanner shared link, but is not strictly required for everyone [28-Feb-25 03:40 AM] runawayfighter#0000 I dont know how to do a shared link. Im trying to figure it out right now [28-Feb-25 03:42 AM] jcheung#0000 if you have a plan in prunplanner, top right corner 'share' {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1344968060825501809/image.png?ex=6814939d&is=6813421d&hm=2f96774635b1658ddbbe73bd54dd964e9f16a61270d193df50f04f51d659713e& [28-Feb-25 03:43 AM] jcheung#0000 https://prunplanner.org/ {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/ PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [28-Feb-25 03:44 AM] jcheung#0000 if you've never seen it before, it's very good for getting a general idea of things-it's not perfect but helps you rough in your plans [28-Feb-25 03:44 AM] runawayfighter#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/74cf9ab9-9950-464b-b99b-b416fc6de9a4 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/74cf9ab9-9950-464b-b99b-b416fc6de9a4 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [28-Feb-25 03:44 AM] runawayfighter#0000 If I only share one base, will it share everything. Thank you for your help by the way. Very nice [28-Feb-25 03:45 AM] jcheung#0000 just the stuff on the page [28-Feb-25 03:45 AM] jcheung#0000 problem #1, 572c is not in ANT or near ANT [28-Feb-25 03:45 AM] runawayfighter#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/cbf96df8-af87-4711-af37-a96532abe2ab {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/cbf96df8-af87-4711-af37-a96532abe2ab PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [28-Feb-25 03:45 AM] jcheung#0000 phobos, however, is [28-Feb-25 03:46 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Yeah ANT is getting the manufacutring and SIO extraction. [28-Feb-25 03:46 AM] runawayfighter#0000 I plan to use my starter ships to haul the MCG and LST as WCBs. [28-Feb-25 03:47 AM] jcheung#0000 there's several major flaws with phobos though [28-Feb-25 03:47 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Do tell [28-Feb-25 03:49 AM] jcheung#0000 first, and probably most importantly, the SIO yield is not great there. Norwick or Hyalos would be about double the yield and are only 3-4 jumps away, and all green (yk-649b and wu-070a respectively) second, you aren't using luxuries-you should always be using PWO... and usually COF as well third, you have no experts assigned-starting planning with 3 is usually a good idea because you get those first 3 fairly quickly [28-Feb-25 03:50 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Those are great points. I totally forgot what you mentioned. [28-Feb-25 03:50 AM] runawayfighter#0000 I however dont think I can make the Norwick or Hyalos work. I considered those, but I would simply not be able to gather the capital I think for those FTL ships. [28-Feb-25 03:51 AM] jcheung#0000 you're planning on putting together STL ships for this? [28-Feb-25 03:51 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Just between the two bases. [28-Feb-25 03:51 AM] jcheung#0000 why not use starters [28-Feb-25 03:51 AM] runawayfighter#0000 I figured it would be cheaper? [28-Feb-25 03:51 AM] runawayfighter#0000 I need those to haul the LST. [28-Feb-25 03:52 AM] jcheung#0000 where's the second base [28-Feb-25 03:52 AM] jcheung#0000 you better not be trying to get LST from 572c [28-Feb-25 03:52 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Heph [28-Feb-25 03:52 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Why not [28-Feb-25 03:53 AM] runawayfighter#0000 I wondered if I shouldnt because of the travel time. [28-Feb-25 03:54 AM] jcheung#0000 travel time will be like a week round trip [28-Feb-25 03:54 AM] runawayfighter#0000 A WEEK? [28-Feb-25 03:54 AM] runawayfighter#0000 This ruins the plan [28-Feb-25 03:54 AM] jcheung#0000 you chose a place that's like literally across the universe [28-Feb-25 03:54 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Yeah thats the fun of the plan. [28-Feb-25 03:54 AM] jcheung#0000 i can offer you a slightly better spot though. [28-Feb-25 03:55 AM] jcheung#0000 nike is about 9% lower yield, but is only a day (or less) away from ANT CX [28-Feb-25 03:55 AM] runawayfighter#0000 I dont think its a week, but I dont have FIO to check the flight planner. My FIO login says I already have one. [28-Feb-25 03:57 AM] jcheung#0000 at a minimum it'll be 4 day round trip for you burning hard [28-Feb-25 03:57 AM] jcheung#0000 maybe 3 day [28-Feb-25 03:57 AM] jcheung#0000 but [28-Feb-25 03:57 AM] jcheung#0000 you would have to make 3 trips a day in a starter ship to keep up with the extractors [28-Feb-25 03:58 AM] jcheung#0000 you are physically incapable of such things. [28-Feb-25 03:58 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1344971933384445952/image.png?ex=68149739&is=681345b9&hm=31e0b22a6e9e6a419dd7fa6aeee43caf0a9b60c8eabed19e8225e444c4af2d2d& [28-Feb-25 03:58 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Nike is a better spot. [28-Feb-25 03:59 AM] jcheung#0000 what kind of capital do you have now without the grant? [28-Feb-25 03:59 AM] runawayfighter#0000 I have one million from my friend Nicster. And my friend Gladi from my corp said he would loan or grant me an undisclosed amount. [28-Feb-25 04:00 AM] runawayfighter#0000 I would have a WCB ship though [28-Feb-25 04:01 AM] jcheung#0000 i will say that MCG isn't the most profitable thing you could be making, but i'm also not going to stop you. what i do recommend, should you want to continue this path is to just start with hep, and plan to buy feedstock from the CX to start, at least as far as AGP goes [28-Feb-25 04:01 AM] jcheung#0000 after this base is established, you can then work on sourcing SIO and LST [28-Feb-25 04:01 AM] runawayfighter#0000 And the beauty of the STL is that I can deliver it straight to CX too. I dont need to pay a heavy price for the ship. [28-Feb-25 04:01 AM] jcheung#0000 the cost of a STL ship is not significantly less than a FTL ship [28-Feb-25 04:02 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Ah. I was never an experienced player. What does AGP mean? [28-Feb-25 04:02 AM] jcheung#0000 look at the channel you're in 😉 [28-Feb-25 04:02 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Oh LOL [28-Feb-25 04:02 AM] runawayfighter#0000 hahahah [28-Feb-25 04:03 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Would I trade the feedstock? [28-Feb-25 04:03 AM] runawayfighter#0000 What is feedstock. Like agriculture products? [28-Feb-25 04:03 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Im confused. [28-Feb-25 04:03 AM] jcheung#0000 feedstock is material consumed to produce goods in a factory [28-Feb-25 04:04 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Ah okay. [28-Feb-25 04:04 AM] jcheung#0000 so LST and SIO would be a MCG factory's feedstock [28-Feb-25 04:04 AM] jcheung#0000 generally it's raw or semi-processed material [28-Feb-25 04:04 AM] jcheung#0000 like ore, or bar stock, or stuff like that [28-Feb-25 04:05 AM] jcheung#0000 hmmm. okay, so i think i was mistaken about how much FTL costs [28-Feb-25 04:06 AM] jcheung#0000 so you would save roughly a third of the cost, maybe [28-Feb-25 04:06 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Thats great. [28-Feb-25 04:06 AM] jcheung#0000 but in exchange that ship is stuck [28-Feb-25 04:06 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Well Okay I guess. [28-Feb-25 04:07 AM] runawayfighter#0000 You can still fly to the CX from system right at ANT? [28-Feb-25 04:07 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Yeah. it's stuck [28-Feb-25 04:07 AM] jcheung#0000 yes, you can reach hep, phobos, cx with stl ship [28-Feb-25 04:08 AM] jcheung#0000 the main issue is your EXT base for LST is going to also be very shipping heavy, and would benefit from a WCB as well [28-Feb-25 04:09 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Yeah. [28-Feb-25 04:10 AM] runawayfighter#0000 I rememebr back in the day raising capital was hard. [28-Feb-25 04:10 AM] jcheung#0000 hmm. i think it would be cutting it close, but if you slapped FTL on a WCB you should be able to service LST at nike, SIO at... well, phobos for now, and deliver to hep [28-Feb-25 04:10 AM] runawayfighter#0000 I had to message the entire server [28-Feb-25 04:10 AM] jcheung#0000 utilization would be close to max though [28-Feb-25 04:11 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Do you know the flight time? [28-Feb-25 04:12 AM] jcheung#0000 oh. i just noticed that your plans are 2 permit plans [28-Feb-25 04:12 AM] jcheung#0000 second and third permits add only 250 area each [28-Feb-25 04:12 AM] runawayfighter#0000 yeah? [28-Feb-25 04:12 AM] jcheung#0000 just wanted to make sure you're aware of that [28-Feb-25 04:12 AM] jcheung#0000 use BLU [28-Feb-25 04:12 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Ah thanks! [28-Feb-25 04:14 AM] jcheung#0000 i gotta go, but do continue to talk through what you want to do [28-Feb-25 04:14 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Okay. I have to go too. Its really late. Its actually morning now. [28-Feb-25 04:15 AM] jcheung#0000 anything i've said so far is my opinion, and you are free to completely disregard it, but i hope you consider some of the things i've said [28-Feb-25 04:15 AM] jcheung#0000 what, who could have seen that coming {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1344976210496847973/image.png?ex=68149b35&is=681349b5&hm=d33d3635ebb495fafc175777f274987846d841fa0c44b75fd5b59c7e668aceed& [28-Feb-25 04:15 AM] runawayfighter#0000 No, they're all good points. Nike is a better spot. I forgot some things too like the consumables. [28-Feb-25 04:15 AM] runawayfighter#0000 Haha! Good Morning [28-Feb-25 04:16 AM] runawayfighter#0000 I hate myself for doing this. I got to get to sleep. {Reactions} 😆 [28-Feb-25 09:30 AM] inspirity#0000 hi [28-Feb-25 10:29 AM] inspirity#0000 how to move to antares [28-Feb-25 10:31 AM] laaxus#0000 honestly, in your situation, it might be easier to coliq and restart in antares [28-Feb-25 10:32 AM] laaxus#0000 but you can build a base roughly anywhere, as long as you have the materials and the planet has availabel plot [28-Feb-25 10:49 AM] inspirity#0000 yeah idk how to restart either 🤣 [28-Feb-25 10:50 AM] .urpalhal#0000 In a buffer type COLIQ and then hit yes I’m sure button [28-Feb-25 10:58 AM] inspirity#0000 ok ty [28-Feb-25 10:58 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Just know there isn’t any fertile planets quite like promitor over here [28-Feb-25 10:59 AM] laaxus#0000 He started as metalurgist on promitor [28-Feb-25 10:59 AM] laaxus#0000 so I think a restart was necessary anyway [28-Feb-25 10:59 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oooh [28-Feb-25 10:59 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah we’re the kings of metallurgy [28-Feb-25 10:59 AM] laaxus#0000 Promitor is indeed the best starting planet but, in my opinion, this doesn't matter at all mid to late game [28-Feb-25 11:00 AM] laaxus#0000 and we're here to speed you up to mid game anyway [28-Feb-25 11:00 AM] laaxus#0000 there's no FOMO to have [28-Feb-25 11:01 AM] inspirity#0000 i have successfully joined antares [28-Feb-25 11:05 AM] laaxus#0000 Congrats ! [28-Feb-25 11:07 AM] inspirity#0000 i spontaneously forgot how to play [28-Feb-25 11:07 AM] inspirity#0000 cuz all my tabs got removed [28-Feb-25 11:08 AM] laaxus#0000 that's because you have to redo the tutorial again [28-Feb-25 11:08 AM] laaxus#0000 hugely recommended btw [28-Feb-25 11:08 AM] inspirity#0000 i skipped through it and im stuck [28-Feb-25 11:08 AM] inspirity#0000 cuz i already read it [28-Feb-25 11:08 AM] inspirity#0000 and know abt what to do [28-Feb-25 11:08 AM] inspirity#0000 but idk what its forcing me to do now to unlock the other tabs like trading [28-Feb-25 11:15 AM] laaxus#0000 nothing stops you from creating your own screen yourself [28-Feb-25 11:16 AM] laaxus#0000 most people do that [28-Feb-25 11:17 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345082418037526568/image.png?ex=6814fe1e&is=6813ac9e&hm=47b1c69d40a5a9e6db76a82b0d158eeb1cf10c580157f2cdbeae0c2fe3a43e57& [28-Feb-25 11:17 AM] laaxus#0000 I usually have one screen per base [28-Feb-25 11:18 AM] laaxus#0000 this is my market tab You don't have to copy it, but it will help you finding back the commands [28-Feb-25 11:18 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345082628159705209/image.png?ex=6814fe50&is=6813acd0&hm=4ede15e05f352f18f9a93c522ed4ec9381ee1280cb0f59b45bb2136ea3d80b94& [28-Feb-25 11:31 AM] inspirity#0000 that was my main concern [28-Feb-25 11:48 AM] inspirity#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345090233565446184/image.png?ex=68150566&is=6813b3e6&hm=2e295cd3767d88bd64f8443506e6a10bdedc809c0b4cd91db0623e465d061cfd& [28-Feb-25 11:48 AM] inspirity#0000 gotta have the **gamer** corgi gif [28-Feb-25 11:49 AM] inspirity#0000 when do i get paid :pleading: [28-Feb-25 11:52 AM] laaxus#0000 Look into #agp-information [28-Feb-25 11:52 AM] laaxus#0000 Please make a prun planner plan and share it here [28-Feb-25 11:54 AM] inspirity#0000 ok [28-Feb-25 11:54 AM] inspirity#0000 damn cant even get it xD [28-Feb-25 11:56 AM] inspirity#0000 ok that actually kinda sucks [28-Feb-25 12:03 PM] jcheung#0000 You're free license? [28-Feb-25 12:03 PM] jcheung#0000 You can get free advice [28-Feb-25 12:03 PM] jcheung#0000 Or someone who's willing to launder the money through cx [28-Feb-25 12:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can gift a temp pro key [28-Feb-25 02:18 PM] inspirity#0000 mhm [28-Feb-25 02:18 PM] inspirity#0000 would be fire [28-Feb-25 02:18 PM] inspirity#0000 but the advice i can get here is more than enough man [28-Feb-25 02:19 PM] inspirity#0000 if u dont need to dont spend ur money [28-Feb-25 02:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well [28-Feb-25 02:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I already have the keys [28-Feb-25 02:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I don’t need to spend any extra [28-Feb-25 02:19 PM] igfloz#0000 There are a few of us here that have collected Pro keys that we can give out [28-Feb-25 02:19 PM] inspirity#0000 geez [28-Feb-25 02:19 PM] inspirity#0000 if u bought them already i wouldn't mind ig [28-Feb-25 02:20 PM] inspirity#0000 i just felt bad for someone spending money on me, whom they rlly dont know [28-Feb-25 02:20 PM] igfloz#0000 it comes with the subs we have bought {Reactions} 👆 [28-Feb-25 02:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok one sec I am away from my pc but am finishing my lunch [28-Feb-25 02:20 PM] inspirity#0000 alr [28-Feb-25 02:20 PM] inspirity#0000 what u lunch [28-Feb-25 02:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It was orange chicken and fried rice [28-Feb-25 02:21 PM] inspirity#0000 holy jealous [28-Feb-25 02:21 PM] inspirity#0000 i had a grilled cheese for lunch today xD [28-Feb-25 02:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Trader Joes has it in frozen form its pretty easy to whip up [28-Feb-25 02:26 PM] inspirity#0000 theres 0 trader joes in the 4 countries my country borders, nor my country [28-Feb-25 02:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ah lol [28-Feb-25 02:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah american only thing [28-Feb-25 02:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i think [28-Feb-25 02:28 PM] inspirity#0000 mhm thought so [28-Feb-25 02:28 PM] inspirity#0000 maybe UK but probably not either [28-Feb-25 02:28 PM] igfloz#0000 never heard of it (I'm UK) [28-Feb-25 02:28 PM] inspirity#0000 maybe if u know a bit of history you can guess what country im from based on my company tag [28-Feb-25 02:29 PM] inspirity#0000 ok ty for your confirmation [28-Feb-25 02:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah Trader Joes is based in California {Reactions} 👍 [28-Feb-25 02:29 PM] inspirity#0000 im going to england next week [28-Feb-25 02:30 PM] sidepipe#0000 ...netherlands? [28-Feb-25 02:30 PM] inspirity#0000 yeah [28-Feb-25 02:31 PM] jcheung#0000 Ever had of aldis [28-Feb-25 02:31 PM] inspirity#0000 theres one in front of my house yes [28-Feb-25 02:31 PM] jcheung#0000 They have history with trader joes [28-Feb-25 02:31 PM] inspirity#0000 alr [28-Feb-25 02:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I don't speak dutch, but when I hear dutch my head hurts [28-Feb-25 02:32 PM] jcheung#0000 One owns the other [28-Feb-25 02:33 PM] inspirity#0000 oke maat [28-Feb-25 02:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 isn't Trader Joes basically Aldi Nord and Aldi in america is Aldi Süd? [28-Feb-25 02:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Aldi Nord owns TJ [28-Feb-25 02:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ye [28-Feb-25 02:35 PM] sidepipe#0000 I grew up in Aldi Süd land so I should probably stop shopping at TJs 😄 [28-Feb-25 02:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Anywho [28-Feb-25 02:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 now with the benefits of 1 month of PRO you too can get an easy 1 million AIC grant! [28-Feb-25 02:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/hai-gif-10567033442484308038 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/hai-gif-10567033442484308038 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ld_0Wo1q4IxGmtWQtifWh-z9fShYLU5YqOi1c5MV0WU/https/media.tenor.com/kqWk7ezzSEYAAAAe/hai.png [28-Feb-25 02:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Make a plan for the base you want to build [28-Feb-25 02:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 we will critique it based off our experiences and once someone feels warm and fuzzy about your plan they will be a baller and drop fat stacks off into your bank account [28-Feb-25 02:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 We encourage people to use PrUnPlanner [28-Feb-25 02:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 check #agp-information for more details if you are curious (there is a youtube tutorial vid in there) [28-Feb-25 02:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 cheers [28-Feb-25 02:42 PM] inspirity#0000 working on it 👍 {Reactions} DancieBoi [28-Feb-25 02:43 PM] inspirity#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/1dd33ed1-c21d-441e-96be-3fc39250c48e {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/1dd33ed1-c21d-441e-96be-3fc39250c48e PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [28-Feb-25 02:43 PM] inspirity#0000 this is what i have rn [28-Feb-25 02:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 as an FYI there is a building that can be built on planets called the CoGC and that boosts one industry's productivity and phobos' is for electronics and deimos is for metalurgy [28-Feb-25 02:44 PM] inspirity#0000 im on phobos iirc [28-Feb-25 02:44 PM] inspirity#0000 so do i need to select electronics? [28-Feb-25 02:45 PM] inspirity#0000 yeah im on phobos [28-Feb-25 02:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so in here it already has the COGC thingy selected as electronics {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345134966199025674/image.png?ex=6814864f&is=681334cf&hm=a53da37e544139a3616c2e70cad720e8a1d5fa481356237cabb0dfa872e357a5& [28-Feb-25 02:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but I would advise not doing electronics as your first base [28-Feb-25 02:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but [28-Feb-25 02:46 PM] inspirity#0000 my job is metallurgist [28-Feb-25 02:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I make Drinking Water on Phobos [28-Feb-25 02:46 PM] laaxus#0000 as a metallurgist, you should start on deimos [28-Feb-25 02:46 PM] laaxus#0000 deimos is a metallurgist world [28-Feb-25 02:48 PM] inspirity#0000 i already started on phobos [28-Feb-25 02:48 PM] jcheung#0000 (This is why you don't advise people to coliq immediately) [28-Feb-25 02:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol [28-Feb-25 02:48 PM] inspirity#0000 lol true [28-Feb-25 02:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 uh [28-Feb-25 02:48 PM] inspirity#0000 i dont have much yet [28-Feb-25 02:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 what do you have [28-Feb-25 02:49 PM] inspirity#0000 uhh just the starting stuff and some sio [28-Feb-25 02:49 PM] inspirity#0000 one of my ships just landed at antares station [28-Feb-25 02:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so like an EXT? [28-Feb-25 02:49 PM] laaxus#0000 a fck, there are no plot left on deimos [28-Feb-25 02:49 PM] inspirity#0000 or sum [28-Feb-25 02:49 PM] inspirity#0000 ye [28-Feb-25 02:49 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah, you should really start on deimos tbh [28-Feb-25 02:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 shit [28-Feb-25 02:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 uh [28-Feb-25 02:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 COLIQ again, but there is a timer so.... [28-Feb-25 02:50 PM] inspirity#0000 lol [28-Feb-25 02:50 PM] laaxus#0000 hal, tell me you didn't give him the pro code yet {Reactions} 👆 [28-Feb-25 02:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 it won't go away [28-Feb-25 02:50 PM] laaxus#0000 ok that's good news [28-Feb-25 02:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 it is attachd to the usr account not the company [28-Feb-25 02:51 PM] inspirity#0000 i should go to deimos right [28-Feb-25 02:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 (i would know I did this about this time last year) [28-Feb-25 02:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yes [28-Feb-25 02:51 PM] igfloz#0000 https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-nickelodeon-sigh-phew-gif-3406032206381683784 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-nickelodeon-sigh-phew-gif-3406032206381683784 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/mGfWgYVsS54BP8oBV9E5G8eXjrNxCDxoDeuFcGdlXoA/https/media.tenor.com/L0SoPurrlEgAAAAe/spongebob-squarepants.png [28-Feb-25 02:51 PM] inspirity#0000 ok [28-Feb-25 02:51 PM] laaxus#0000 yes, because only new players can make a base there [28-Feb-25 02:51 PM] jcheung#0000 Isn't the coliq timer a month [28-Feb-25 02:51 PM] laaxus#0000 if you start on phobos, you won't be able to make a base on deimos [28-Feb-25 02:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 no? i think it gets longer and longer [28-Feb-25 02:51 PM] laaxus#0000 it's worth coliqing tbh [28-Feb-25 02:51 PM] laaxus#0000 (don't worry, I coliqed 4 times, you're not out of the norms) [28-Feb-25 02:52 PM] jcheung#0000 Stop advising this. Make solid plans first, then coliq [28-Feb-25 02:52 PM] laaxus#0000 true [28-Feb-25 02:52 PM] jcheung#0000 Not shotgun coliq and figure things out later [28-Feb-25 02:52 PM] laaxus#0000 sorry i'm tired and exhausted from recent political events, so I think I'll go to sleep [28-Feb-25 02:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 gn [28-Feb-25 02:52 PM] moke.#0000 Can absolutely get a base on Demios [28-Feb-25 02:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 no? we are 6 plots over max [28-Feb-25 02:53 PM] laaxus#0000 but yes, please do plan [28-Feb-25 02:53 PM] moke.#0000 Right this second, no [28-Feb-25 02:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ohh i see what you mean [28-Feb-25 02:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but that is not certain [28-Feb-25 02:53 PM] inspirity#0000 ok dw i got my stuff back on deimos now [28-Feb-25 02:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ok [28-Feb-25 02:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 now do deimos plan [28-Feb-25 02:54 PM] laaxus#0000 any way, you should plan this game is 90% about planning [28-Feb-25 02:54 PM] laaxus#0000 95% even [28-Feb-25 02:54 PM] moke.#0000 If you *really* want one, it just takes some time and preplanning. I think I had CM materials sitting there for a week and a half for it to dip from +10. {Reactions} DancieBoi [28-Feb-25 02:54 PM] igfloz#0000 Moke, is correct - I waited months before I created a Deimos base - but man! , did I move fast to set it up , lol [28-Feb-25 02:55 PM] igfloz#0000 ...and I was lucky, I think there were 9 spaces when I joined Deimos [28-Feb-25 02:55 PM] inspirity#0000 ok im gonna plan again [28-Feb-25 02:55 PM] inspirity#0000 now for deimos [28-Feb-25 02:58 PM] inspirity#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/819e1d62-85a5-42ae-8ca6-d28fe5b0fc51 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/819e1d62-85a5-42ae-8ca6-d28fe5b0fc51 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [28-Feb-25 03:01 PM] inspirity#0000 can someone help how i go from here for the plan [28-Feb-25 03:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so uh [28-Feb-25 03:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you could make 20 SME [28-Feb-25 03:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you could do 17 SME with 3 COL for O [28-Feb-25 03:05 PM] inspirity#0000 for mass AL production? [28-Feb-25 03:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah [28-Feb-25 03:05 PM] inspirity#0000 ok [28-Feb-25 03:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you could mix it up [28-Feb-25 03:05 PM] inspirity#0000 ill try that [28-Feb-25 03:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you could add HWP and make LHP [28-Feb-25 03:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 there are people here who could help you get some ALO on Deimos [28-Feb-25 03:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 like they sell it in #internal-offers [28-Feb-25 03:06 PM] inspirity#0000 ok [28-Feb-25 03:06 PM] inspirity#0000 let me figure out the AL production first [28-Feb-25 03:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 that box can help narrow down buildings that match the COGC {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345140252058193960/image.png?ex=68148b3b&is=681339bb&hm=c2341a99f05a32e43c09d389a4d99203580c61c2aac237a852fb02907c179e52& [28-Feb-25 03:07 PM] inspirity#0000 i think i did sum wrong [28-Feb-25 03:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 EvoV will probably buy any and all AL you make straight from deimo [28-Feb-25 03:07 PM] inspirity#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345140411160596500/image.png?ex=68148b61&is=681339e1&hm=b9f13078448dbe83c131d6173a69cc2a4a1e377c09eafae1c27f374bf472f462& [28-Feb-25 03:07 PM] inspirity#0000 ohh i made 4 orders [28-Feb-25 03:08 PM] inspirity#0000 its still a month xD [28-Feb-25 03:09 PM] manhim#0000 Those are big orders. You should start with the smallest one and make them recurring until you run out of Pro [28-Feb-25 03:10 PM] inspirity#0000 ok [28-Feb-25 03:10 PM] manhim#0000 Also, I'm thinking about switching production away from AL (half of my production) and into other things, but I still have a lot of ALO production, so if you want we could figure a deal where I can transport ALO to Deimos and sell to you directly to save on transport. [28-Feb-25 03:11 PM] inspirity#0000 is this better {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345141364303728760/image.png?ex=68148c44&is=68133ac4&hm=eb855fd584415aded0eb690a925dd7e6378747cb99a7941fe7c79f83df2a8ce5& [28-Feb-25 03:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Uh idk that you have enough houses for all that [28-Feb-25 03:11 PM] manhim#0000 I don't think that the COL is worth it on Deimos [28-Feb-25 03:12 PM] inspirity#0000 good point [28-Feb-25 03:12 PM] inspirity#0000 do i get more hb1 or hb2 [28-Feb-25 03:13 PM] igfloz#0000 👆 This is what ADI is about, planning / changing / encouraging trades, helping newer players get on the production ladder and move on......... I like your post. I salute you 🫡 {Reactions} ❤️ [28-Feb-25 03:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So HB1 are for pioneer [28-Feb-25 03:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Which is what you need [28-Feb-25 03:14 PM] inspirity#0000 oh i thought hb2 was just more pioneer xD [28-Feb-25 03:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No that is settlers [28-Feb-25 03:15 PM] inspirity#0000 i got 12 hb1 for enough population, but now i dont have enough of this stuff {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345142286534836305/image.png?ex=68148d20&is=68133ba0&hm=c0fe42d64475d477c61387038c8f78bca19ce2699eb3cd68deb2daeb81d9dad9& [28-Feb-25 03:15 PM] manhim#0000 Here i my Deimos setup if you want to get inspired: https://prunplanner.org/shared/ab6505d8-9493-4065-b999-ee3dc69ac2f2 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/ab6505d8-9493-4065-b999-ee3dc69ac2f2 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [28-Feb-25 03:15 PM] manhim#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345142413244497920/image.png?ex=68148d3e&is=68133bbe&hm=11032d4ca6655c7a0a388160ebd92f0069042b7a80c61f788a8b10b81502666e& [28-Feb-25 03:15 PM] inspirity#0000 ty thats exactly what i needed [28-Feb-25 03:16 PM] manhim#0000 Whenever I create a base, I setup my production, then click on Optimize, and usually I choose to optimize by Area. [28-Feb-25 03:16 PM] manhim#0000 Some more complex bases might be better to optimize by cost though [28-Feb-25 03:16 PM] inspirity#0000 🤣 i clicked it and didnt change :P [28-Feb-25 03:16 PM] manhim#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345142694199955486/image.png?ex=68148d81&is=68133c01&hm=89fda334033f5d00e1bda64269859f9154bc2b1eec79671522be9208a90a0f99& [28-Feb-25 03:16 PM] inspirity#0000 how many permits do i start with or does it stay as just one [28-Feb-25 03:17 PM] inspirity#0000 cuz then i dont have enough total thingy [28-Feb-25 03:17 PM] manhim#0000 But yeah, you might have too many production buildings right now [28-Feb-25 03:17 PM] inspirity#0000 could be that [28-Feb-25 03:17 PM] inspirity#0000 ill remove some smelters [28-Feb-25 03:17 PM] inspirity#0000 ok that worked [28-Feb-25 03:17 PM] manhim#0000 I'd remove the COL first. Deimos isn't that optimal for O collecting [28-Feb-25 03:18 PM] manhim#0000 And it's not the hardest to transport [28-Feb-25 03:18 PM] igfloz#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-i6rLZMaQ {Embed} Lord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-i6rLZMaQ How to use Prunplanner for Prosperous Universe Hopefully this video helps you understand how to set up Prunplanner, if you have any questions please leave them below --Links-- The official Prosp discord https://discord.gg/YkwpJ2hdDE Link to Prunplanner https://prunplanner.org/ Background audio used https://youtu.be/EM5KwkTQzsE Ending music from Sweet Cafe https://youtu.be/6DhONAQfEVg https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DSq6GXwpy1FwDBpBlIBMy2TpSSXULzOp4ckXQXPKUp0/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/Vi-i6rLZMaQ/maxresdefault.jpg [28-Feb-25 03:18 PM] inspirity#0000 this is my production now {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345143217334521876/image.png?ex=68148dfe&is=68133c7e&hm=9bd09c12834620b4d1d439cfb85420fcd29d27128051f3eb8daeddb39f062297& [28-Feb-25 03:18 PM] igfloz#0000 Please !!! go and watch....and understand 🙂 [28-Feb-25 03:19 PM] inspirity#0000 i watched it [28-Feb-25 03:19 PM] inspirity#0000 and didnt understand [28-Feb-25 03:19 PM] inspirity#0000 i did do everything in the tutorial [28-Feb-25 03:19 PM] igfloz#0000 urgh [28-Feb-25 03:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I should watch that video [28-Feb-25 03:19 PM] inspirity#0000 mb bro ill watch it again 😭 🙏 [28-Feb-25 03:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I’ll be back in like 20 or so mins and I could hop in VC and screen share some stuff if that would help [28-Feb-25 03:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 (Half day today so I’ll be driving home) [28-Feb-25 03:32 PM] inspirity#0000 @manhim what does the lux1 and lux2 mean {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345146530696527975/image.png?ex=68149114&is=68133f94&hm=28955d5129b66f9d29c56fd1d818c6ae870e8758c5fead3624e7abf51a7833c1& [28-Feb-25 03:32 PM] manhim#0000 For each types of population, there are 2 luxury consumables that you can give to them for more efficiency [28-Feb-25 03:33 PM] inspirity#0000 oh sick [28-Feb-25 03:33 PM] manhim#0000 It's usually recommended to have them enabled [28-Feb-25 03:33 PM] inspirity#0000 i figured aswell but i didnt know if it was an ingame consumable that i dont have access to yet [28-Feb-25 03:34 PM] manhim#0000 Oh, nothing is locked in this game. Maybe except Experts that get unlocked over time. [28-Feb-25 03:34 PM] inspirity#0000 good to know [28-Feb-25 03:34 PM] manhim#0000 You'll see that your limiters are: money + shipping capacity (which is limited by money) [28-Feb-25 03:35 PM] inspirity#0000 if i manage to get more ships in a month (I doubt it) will they stay after my pro expires [28-Feb-25 03:36 PM] inspirity#0000 cuz that would make shipping capacity less of a problem [28-Feb-25 03:36 PM] manhim#0000 If I recall, you can only ever have 2 ships being in-use at a time as a free player [28-Feb-25 03:36 PM] inspirity#0000 ah ok [28-Feb-25 03:38 PM] inspirity#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/819e1d62-85a5-42ae-8ca6-d28fe5b0fc51 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/819e1d62-85a5-42ae-8ca6-d28fe5b0fc51 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [28-Feb-25 03:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so like you can own 7 ships but you can only have 2 flying at a time as free or even basic i think [28-Feb-25 03:42 PM] manhim#0000 Add 2 STO for more storage and you've got a copy-paste of my starter base from a few months ago [28-Feb-25 03:42 PM] inspirity#0000 bet [28-Feb-25 03:42 PM] inspirity#0000 ok done [28-Feb-25 03:44 PM] manhim#0000 What I would suggest, is to start with half that base (5 HB1 and 10 SME) and use the rest of the grant to buy materials. If you do the whole base, then you won't have much money left after for materials. Then you can slowly grow your base until you max your permit. [28-Feb-25 03:44 PM] manhim#0000 It will also give you a taste of how much logistical work needs to be done to maintain it {Reactions} 👆 [28-Feb-25 03:45 PM] inspirity#0000 ill try that instead [28-Feb-25 03:45 PM] inspirity#0000 cuz ur right on how much money i'll probably have left [28-Feb-25 03:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345149951872733324/image.png?ex=68149444&is=681342c4&hm=dfd865c3506bf977dd12d2eb7998b820b782f28a413eff47f43e5659d999fd21& [28-Feb-25 03:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 the construction cart can tell you how much materials you need to build it {Reactions} 👆 [28-Feb-25 03:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345150084693626971/image.png?ex=68149463&is=681342e3&hm=f7c20163d62aba35cc9c3313584bc5c9dc64b3cb0b787c3428d76f3b2ee87896& [28-Feb-25 03:46 PM] inspirity#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345150092746948659/image.png?ex=68149465&is=681342e5&hm=a6eb5936dacb1949b83929783c8f9d0f401ca2b4e75815bfc100e2eaa1cdf6d4& [28-Feb-25 03:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 then if you have cx stuff set up it will break down the cost [28-Feb-25 03:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 for all or half? [28-Feb-25 03:46 PM] inspirity#0000 for half [28-Feb-25 03:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh and uh someone might sell BBH, BDE, BSE and BTA for cheaper [28-Feb-25 03:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 cough [28-Feb-25 03:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 me [28-Feb-25 03:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 cough {Reactions} 🤣 👍 [28-Feb-25 03:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 make your money go a bit further [28-Feb-25 03:48 PM] inspirity#0000 as in? [28-Feb-25 03:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so instead of paying 1650/u for BSE you pay 1000/u [28-Feb-25 03:49 PM] inspirity#0000 ooh yeah [28-Feb-25 03:49 PM] inspirity#0000 nice [28-Feb-25 03:49 PM] igfloz#0000 I'd also check CX for ALO cost - @manhim has already offered to supply you - but I think there are a lot of "private deals" in play here. FYI I am currently the largest producer of ALO and I sell very little of it on the CX - and not regularly [28-Feb-25 03:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so ~50k in savings on just BSE right there [28-Feb-25 03:49 PM] inspirity#0000 wth guys [28-Feb-25 03:49 PM] inspirity#0000 crazy black market here [28-Feb-25 03:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 shhhh {Reactions} shh [28-Feb-25 03:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i mean it helps when getting started [28-Feb-25 03:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 we got these kinds of deals when we started [28-Feb-25 03:50 PM] inspirity#0000 mhm yeah [28-Feb-25 03:51 PM] manhim#0000 #internal-offers [28-Feb-25 03:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I could help you buy some O and FLX at a cheaper price for a one off thing for O and regularlly for FLX too if you desire [28-Feb-25 03:51 PM] manhim#0000 I sell O too [28-Feb-25 03:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh there ya go [28-Feb-25 03:51 PM] inspirity#0000 thx for all the offers [28-Feb-25 03:51 PM] inspirity#0000 but first i actually need to have a good plan [28-Feb-25 03:52 PM] manhim#0000 Yup [28-Feb-25 03:55 PM] inspirity#0000 would keeping around 200-250k for supplies be enough? [28-Feb-25 03:56 PM] manhim#0000 Daily cost for half a base with experts level 5 would be around 70k per days [28-Feb-25 03:56 PM] igfloz#0000 You have to feed your base (supplies for Pioneers etc. and other ingredients) - so it's best to have a suitable wallet "float" so to speak [28-Feb-25 03:57 PM] igfloz#0000 If you had 1Million AIC, I'd be conservative and suggest keep 50% [28-Feb-25 03:57 PM] inspirity#0000 idk if u can do anything with this? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345152988863398008/image.png?ex=68149718&is=68134598&hm=7776c04f6cc3afdee1a78e41ecb6852048f185af0bfbd2fccf8d9378b484f69d& [28-Feb-25 03:57 PM] manhim#0000 That looks good [28-Feb-25 03:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh [28-Feb-25 03:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 remove the CM [28-Feb-25 03:58 PM] manhim#0000 That too [28-Feb-25 03:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you build that when you make the base [28-Feb-25 03:58 PM] inspirity#0000 ok [28-Feb-25 03:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so you won't need that since you have the base kinda started [28-Feb-25 03:59 PM] inspirity#0000 im at 485k total costs now [28-Feb-25 03:59 PM] inspirity#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/819e1d62-85a5-42ae-8ca6-d28fe5b0fc51 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/819e1d62-85a5-42ae-8ca6-d28fe5b0fc51 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [28-Feb-25 04:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh you can change the price for various materials on a empire wide or planet wide basis [28-Feb-25 04:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345154044062072842/image.png?ex=68149813&is=68134693&hm=05b673594a6678be8800b1393135579b999e37d780f5293ea8f71cbe01263521& [28-Feb-25 04:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 the blue bar looking button shows how much it costs to make AL [28-Feb-25 04:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345154201704988723/image.png?ex=68149839&is=681346b9&hm=0dd8ac51c7ff607045b54fdb4bbafe413f04090f9401e110caaf038949d1d580& [28-Feb-25 04:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 then you can change the settings for materials in the screen it pulls up there [28-Feb-25 04:03 PM] inspirity#0000 so like [28-Feb-25 04:03 PM] inspirity#0000 should i copy whats on ur screen? [28-Feb-25 04:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol no [28-Feb-25 04:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 those are my crazy prices [28-Feb-25 04:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 [here](https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249045624471582/1232149877727952978) [28-Feb-25 04:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i have a google sheet with my stocks and prices [28-Feb-25 04:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345154907203829822/image.png?ex=681498e1&is=68134761&hm=a0c4a1a4375543cda6bd13b097a7a58db6fb52d6f9d342cdd00910384a102249& [28-Feb-25 04:05 PM] inspirity#0000 srry my monkey sounds filled brain is struggling to comprehend what im supposed to do now [28-Feb-25 04:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345155127832477806/image.png?ex=68149916&is=68134796&hm=a59f3d8a3d4fabdc64d926fb0886df0e89c33ff8986bc27ee01e57c08cb9dc72& [28-Feb-25 04:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 then do that for BDE, BSE and BTA [28-Feb-25 04:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 then hit save [28-Feb-25 04:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 then get the price [28-Feb-25 04:06 PM] inspirity#0000 ok [28-Feb-25 04:07 PM] inspirity#0000 do i click add aswell or not? [28-Feb-25 04:07 PM] manhim#0000 I always use PRUNPlanner to plan for the worst prices. Then I get happy once I have money left after a project 😃 [28-Feb-25 04:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah add [28-Feb-25 04:07 PM] inspirity#0000 ok done [28-Feb-25 04:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ok then hit save and reload [28-Feb-25 04:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 then exit that screen and check price for the build cost [28-Feb-25 04:08 PM] inspirity#0000 412k [28-Feb-25 04:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 nice :3 [28-Feb-25 04:09 PM] inspirity#0000 :3 [28-Feb-25 04:10 PM] inspirity#0000 i think my plan might almost be ready then [28-Feb-25 04:10 PM] inspirity#0000 import supplies, put supplies in smeller, sell resulting product on market for profit [28-Feb-25 04:11 PM] inspirity#0000 is that the right way of doing? [28-Feb-25 04:11 PM] igfloz#0000 It is a "way" of doing it [28-Feb-25 04:12 PM] inspirity#0000 sick [28-Feb-25 04:12 PM] igfloz#0000 You will think about "can I also get the ingredients myself ?" [28-Feb-25 04:12 PM] igfloz#0000 ..and make it more efficient [28-Feb-25 04:12 PM] inspirity#0000 if i expand that is [28-Feb-25 04:13 PM] inspirity#0000 but i do not want to go into that rn its 23:12 (11:12pm for americans) and i havent had coffee [28-Feb-25 04:13 PM] igfloz#0000 heh..... 22:13 for me....... we are close [28-Feb-25 04:14 PM] inspirity#0000 22:14* [28-Feb-25 04:14 PM] inspirity#0000 same timezone ig [28-Feb-25 04:14 PM] inspirity#0000 what cardinal direction of europe r u in [28-Feb-25 04:14 PM] igfloz#0000 Until I go into BST lol [28-Feb-25 04:15 PM] igfloz#0000 I'm in South Wales [28-Feb-25 04:15 PM] igfloz#0000 so I'm West of you [28-Feb-25 04:15 PM] inspirity#0000 nice [28-Feb-25 04:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Europeans :SmirkHEHEHE: [28-Feb-25 04:16 PM] inspirity#0000 americans {Reactions} DancieBoi [28-Feb-25 04:16 PM] igfloz#0000 fkin yanks, playing a european game 😛 [28-Feb-25 04:16 PM] inspirity#0000 real [28-Feb-25 04:16 PM] inspirity#0000 i have 0 idea abt the devs of this game [28-Feb-25 04:16 PM] nx#0000 I resemble that remark [28-Feb-25 04:16 PM] inspirity#0000 just that im probably gonna help on dutch translation with a friend of mine [28-Feb-25 04:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think they're in Germany? idk if they ARE german tho [28-Feb-25 04:17 PM] inspirity#0000 lol [28-Feb-25 04:17 PM] inspirity#0000 so they're either german or talahon [28-Feb-25 04:17 PM] inspirity#0000 cool [28-Feb-25 04:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well they could be like an American living in Germany? [28-Feb-25 04:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 or insert any other nationality for american [28-Feb-25 04:18 PM] inspirity#0000 yeah talahon [28-Feb-25 04:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 quite a few of my high school classmates live and work in germany now [28-Feb-25 04:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh [28-Feb-25 04:18 PM] igfloz#0000 Not with AluminIUM in the game 😛 [28-Feb-25 04:18 PM] inspirity#0000 practically a less nice word for immigrants in germany [28-Feb-25 04:18 PM] inspirity#0000 but the devs probably arent talahon [28-Feb-25 04:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 see I speak japanese [28-Feb-25 04:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and English obv [28-Feb-25 04:19 PM] inspirity#0000 sushi to mizu kudasai [28-Feb-25 04:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 hai dozo [28-Feb-25 04:19 PM] inspirity#0000 i did duolingo 2 lessons :proud: [28-Feb-25 04:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 heh thats about as much as i've done for german [28-Feb-25 04:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and danish [28-Feb-25 04:19 PM] inspirity#0000 idk if yall play pokemon go [28-Feb-25 04:19 PM] inspirity#0000 but i just finished my 15th kyurem raid of the day [28-Feb-25 04:19 PM] inspirity#0000 and 0 shinies so far [28-Feb-25 04:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i used to [28-Feb-25 04:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 darn [28-Feb-25 04:20 PM] igfloz#0000 yes ! I dont ! [28-Feb-25 04:20 PM] inspirity#0000 they just released the kyurem fusions from black 2 and white 2 [28-Feb-25 04:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah i watched the pokemon day vid in japanese [28-Feb-25 04:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 good stuff [28-Feb-25 04:20 PM] inspirity#0000 bro i am so excited for legends ZA [28-Feb-25 04:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah [28-Feb-25 04:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 everyone i've seen online hates the starters and how it looks [28-Feb-25 04:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i think it looks fine [28-Feb-25 04:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 people just hate [28-Feb-25 04:21 PM] inspirity#0000 i like the starters [28-Feb-25 04:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 totodile is my guy [28-Feb-25 04:21 PM] inspirity#0000 fr [28-Feb-25 04:21 PM] inspirity#0000 tepig also goated [28-Feb-25 04:21 PM] inspirity#0000 hes just a fat pig going abt his day [28-Feb-25 04:21 PM] inspirity#0000 and chikorita just is [28-Feb-25 04:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah i mean i think its good to have chiko back in the rotation [28-Feb-25 04:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so anywho the plan is to do 20 SME? [28-Feb-25 04:23 PM] inspirity#0000 yeah [28-Feb-25 04:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and implement half then build up over time? [28-Feb-25 04:23 PM] inspirity#0000 mhm [28-Feb-25 04:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ok i'll send ya a cont [28-Feb-25 04:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and you'll get your moneyz [28-Feb-25 04:23 PM] inspirity#0000 bet [28-Feb-25 04:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ok CONT sent [28-Feb-25 04:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 accept it, I will pay and then we terminate it [28-Feb-25 04:26 PM] inspirity#0000 already accepted [28-Feb-25 04:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah i sent you the money [28-Feb-25 04:27 PM] inspirity#0000 sick ty [28-Feb-25 04:27 PM] inspirity#0000 ill get to building smelters 🤣 [28-Feb-25 04:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 kk [28-Feb-25 04:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 make sure to terminate the contract now [28-Feb-25 04:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 bc I don't need 1 FF where ever i put it to accept it [28-Feb-25 04:28 PM] inspirity#0000 done [28-Feb-25 04:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 OH [28-Feb-25 04:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and when you are buying BFABs from me you can do it all in one Contract [28-Feb-25 04:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i can show you later [28-Feb-25 04:30 PM] inspirity#0000 i just sent a ship to ANT [28-Feb-25 04:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 cool cool [28-Feb-25 04:32 PM] inspirity#0000 it'll arrive in 2h xD [28-Feb-25 04:32 PM] inspirity#0000 ill probably have fallen asleep by then [28-Feb-25 04:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 no worries [28-Feb-25 04:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i am going grocery shopping [28-Feb-25 04:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 the nice part of the game is you can play when you want to [28-Feb-25 04:33 PM] inspirity#0000 idk if you'll still be available in like 9h? [28-Feb-25 04:33 PM] igfloz#0000 prun can be a slow game...come back tomorrow 🙂 [28-Feb-25 04:33 PM] igfloz#0000 there will be others available [28-Feb-25 04:33 PM] inspirity#0000 mhm i noticed that with the ship & ext times [28-Feb-25 04:33 PM] inspirity#0000 ig ill see most of u later [28-Feb-25 04:34 PM] inspirity#0000 bye [28-Feb-25 04:34 PM] igfloz#0000 nn dude [28-Feb-25 04:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol maybe [28-Feb-25 04:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It will be 11 for me then [28-Feb-25 05:09 PM] inspirity#0000 real [28-Feb-25 11:50 PM] runawayfighter#0000 Hoping someone would give me a loan or grant [28-Feb-25 11:52 PM] runawayfighter#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/edc1a5a2-d44c-410c-af3b-cc78d849aa8b {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/edc1a5a2-d44c-410c-af3b-cc78d849aa8b PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [28-Feb-25 11:53 PM] runawayfighter#0000 need about 2 million. [28-Feb-25 11:53 PM] runawayfighter#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/c3101568-7d16-4dcf-b7f2-91af18ad54e8 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/c3101568-7d16-4dcf-b7f2-91af18ad54e8 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [28-Feb-25 11:54 PM] runawayfighter#0000 If anyone is interested I'd love to discuss with you. Please DM. [01-Mar-25 12:10 AM] archielvahr#0000 I messaged you about a loan, but someone else here can take over the grant discussion [01-Mar-25 12:11 AM] archielvahr#0000 cause I am goin' to bed! 💤 [01-Mar-25 01:31 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I’m going off to bed, I’m sure someone else can help you figure out those contracts but you can send the contracts to me for the BBH BDE BSE and BTA you need [01-Mar-25 02:16 AM] inspirity#0000 bet ty [01-Mar-25 02:40 AM] inspirity#0000 any1 able to tell me how i should send contracts to this guy [01-Mar-25 04:40 AM] laaxus#0000 you make a contract draft [01-Mar-25 04:40 AM] laaxus#0000 and then you send it [01-Mar-25 04:42 AM] laaxus#0000 CONTD for draft [01-Mar-25 04:42 AM] laaxus#0000 CONTS to see ongoing contract [01-Mar-25 04:42 AM] laaxus#0000 https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/custom-contracts/index.html {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/custom-contracts/index.html Custom Contracts :: Prosperous Universe Handbook General information The CONTD command allows the creation, editing and sending of contract drafts in order to create custom contracts with other parties. Custom contracts have been introduced with the Convergence release and additional draft types have been added with the Liquidity release. List of contract drafts Opening the CONTD command witho... [01-Mar-25 04:43 AM] laaxus#0000 the handbook is handy [01-Mar-25 04:48 AM] inspirity#0000 alr thx [01-Mar-25 04:48 AM] laaxus#0000 you'll mess up contract draft [01-Mar-25 04:48 AM] laaxus#0000 don't worry, everybody does [01-Mar-25 04:49 AM] laaxus#0000 i still do [01-Mar-25 04:51 AM] inspirity#0000 lol [01-Mar-25 08:19 AM] inspirity#0000 this is correct right {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345400099575955507/image.png?ex=6814d47c&is=681382fc&hm=c19bc0df844ac1857855da8c910125168500516ff014508497ede0657f60603e& [01-Mar-25 08:24 AM] tanda#0000 90% of the time materials will need to be exchanged at ANT [01-Mar-25 08:24 AM] tanda#0000 I can't speak for HAL having BBH there, but I don't keep construction supplies handy on that planet personally [01-Mar-25 08:24 AM] inspirity#0000 alr [01-Mar-25 08:50 AM] inspirity#0000 so should i put the delivery at ANT? [01-Mar-25 08:50 AM] tanda#0000 Yes, you should [01-Mar-25 11:40 AM] .urpalhal#0000 lol you can totally speak for me cause you got it right [01-Mar-25 11:44 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh I forgot tho [01-Mar-25 11:44 AM] .urpalhal#0000 type `WAR ANT` into a buffer and rent a few Warhouses at the commodity exchange [01-Mar-25 11:44 AM] .urpalhal#0000 you should only need one or two maybe three [01-Mar-25 12:05 PM] inspirity#0000 got 3 thx [01-Mar-25 12:05 PM] inspirity#0000 also recieved the delivery [01-Mar-25 12:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 nice 🙂 [01-Mar-25 12:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you can send for BSE, BDE or BTA if you need as well [01-Mar-25 12:06 PM] inspirity#0000 all right [01-Mar-25 12:07 PM] inspirity#0000 do u know where i should get the rest? [01-Mar-25 12:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 looks like you just need 1k MCG [01-Mar-25 12:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you can get that from the commodity exchange (CX) [01-Mar-25 12:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345457858917175388/image.png?ex=68150a46&is=6813b8c6&hm=b02686eacdaa2b1bba3e16040389c9c9d9c510e5853eb8d4d2bdefa88e1a013f& [01-Mar-25 12:09 PM] inspirity#0000 bet [01-Mar-25 12:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 that screen is `CX AI1` [01-Mar-25 12:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 then you will find it in the drop down menu under `Construction Materials` [01-Mar-25 12:10 PM] inspirity#0000 what are ur prices for the other materials [01-Mar-25 12:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you can also type `CXPO MCG.AI1` into a buffer and trade for it that way [01-Mar-25 12:10 PM] inspirity#0000 i cant find them in #internal-offers [01-Mar-25 12:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 BSE 1000 BTA 1000 BDE 1400 [01-Mar-25 12:10 PM] inspirity#0000 alright ill send u the contracts [01-Mar-25 12:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have them in a google doc since my list was getting to be pretty big {Reactions} 🤣 [01-Mar-25 12:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but the google sheet (sorry) is linked in my post with a description of what I sell in there too [01-Mar-25 04:12 PM] inspirity#0000 k thx [01-Mar-25 04:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Of course [01-Mar-25 04:13 PM] inspirity#0000 late as hell with replying XD [01-Mar-25 04:15 PM] inspirity#0000 got all my materials {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345519793977163866/image.png?ex=68149b35&is=681349b5&hm=e25ebe9082be0e06a6822953e48dae0145f149c0e226497b6b02e9b7c17495bd& [01-Mar-25 04:15 PM] inspirity#0000 time to move them to my base [01-Mar-25 04:16 PM] inspirity#0000 5h flight 🔥 [01-Mar-25 04:19 PM] igfloz#0000 lucky guy - wait until you expand to further planets, lol (it's not all bad) [01-Mar-25 04:20 PM] inspirity#0000 i was gonna do that today [01-Mar-25 04:20 PM] inspirity#0000 but then i chose to work an hour extra and I went outside for 5-6h [02-Mar-25 05:32 AM] inspirity#0000 i got everything set up [02-Mar-25 05:32 AM] inspirity#0000 now i just need to order a whole bunch of ALO [02-Mar-25 05:32 AM] inspirity#0000 and the other stuff [02-Mar-25 10:14 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You could ask @manhim I think it was? [02-Mar-25 10:31 AM] inspirity#0000 already ordered like 500 [02-Mar-25 10:31 AM] inspirity#0000 on cx [02-Mar-25 10:43 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh nice [02-Mar-25 11:32 AM] inspirity#0000 i need 3 ships to load it into 🤣 [02-Mar-25 01:55 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, the WCB ship upgrade is very worth it for AL production. But the 2 starter ship should be good for a while. [02-Mar-25 02:03 PM] inspirity#0000 i have 0 idea what that is [02-Mar-25 02:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 A larger Cargo bay you can upgrade to [02-Mar-25 02:03 PM] inspirity#0000 ah alright [02-Mar-25 02:03 PM] inspirity#0000 oh hal whilst ur here [02-Mar-25 02:03 PM] inspirity#0000 how do i get more permits [02-Mar-25 02:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You need to upgrade your HQ level [02-Mar-25 02:04 PM] inspirity#0000 alr ill look into that [02-Mar-25 02:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You should be able to hit the HQ button on any base overview buffer [02-Mar-25 02:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And you can see the details there [02-Mar-25 02:04 PM] inspirity#0000 ok plz help i did that i dont see where to upgrade [02-Mar-25 02:04 PM] inspirity#0000 do i have to fill the sliders? [02-Mar-25 02:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [02-Mar-25 02:05 PM] inspirity#0000 ok bet [02-Mar-25 02:05 PM] inspirity#0000 can i buy the materials i still need off you? [02-Mar-25 02:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So when you have the materials where your HQ you can select the inventory you have them stored in and then move the slider to fill them [02-Mar-25 02:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Sure [02-Mar-25 02:05 PM] inspirity#0000 oki [02-Mar-25 02:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It’s just like BSE BBH BDE and BTA [02-Mar-25 02:06 PM] inspirity#0000 i need TRU too, u sell that? [02-Mar-25 02:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes [02-Mar-25 02:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 200/u [02-Mar-25 02:06 PM] inspirity#0000 bet ill send the contracts [02-Mar-25 02:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But technically you shouldn’t need more permits for what you’re doing right now since I don’t think you’re building more bases [02-Mar-25 02:07 PM] inspirity#0000 just more smelter/housing capacity [02-Mar-25 02:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And adding two permits onto your current base is likely not the most beneficial thing for you to do rn either [02-Mar-25 02:07 PM] inspirity#0000 cuz my smelters are filled up all the way and i have like 400 overflow ALO [02-Mar-25 02:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Do you have 20 SME built? [02-Mar-25 02:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or still just the 10? [02-Mar-25 02:08 PM] manhim#0000 It's Ok. Once you have more bases, you're going to need to keep an X days/weeks amount of buffer to optimize logistics. [02-Mar-25 02:08 PM] inspirity#0000 i think i have 15 rn [02-Mar-25 02:08 PM] inspirity#0000 14 nvm [02-Mar-25 02:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It’s ok then I think you’ll be fine [02-Mar-25 02:09 PM] inspirity#0000 ok [02-Mar-25 02:09 PM] igfloz#0000 open a new buffer and input xit burn_all {Reactions} 👆 [02-Mar-25 02:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You should only do 20 SME [02-Mar-25 02:09 PM] igfloz#0000 That will show you how much ALO you use per day [02-Mar-25 02:09 PM] igfloz#0000 well.. It'll show you how much of everything you use per day {Reactions} 👆 [02-Mar-25 02:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You can buy some ALO from me or manhim on Deimos if you really need short term [02-Mar-25 02:10 PM] inspirity#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345850711652700351/image.png?ex=68147de6&is=68132c66&hm=82b4d6e994bfbca0576e946c76e59702eb9317e3128c29d419ef085cffb3a127& [02-Mar-25 02:10 PM] igfloz#0000 so you have 2 days worth of ALo [02-Mar-25 02:10 PM] inspirity#0000 i assume the first one is what i consume on a daily basis? [02-Mar-25 02:10 PM] inspirity#0000 ok [02-Mar-25 02:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No [02-Mar-25 02:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The first one is how much you have [02-Mar-25 02:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Second is how much you make or use [02-Mar-25 02:11 PM] inspirity#0000 ooh yeah ok [02-Mar-25 02:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Third is how much you should buy to get to a green buffer [02-Mar-25 02:11 PM] igfloz#0000 left to right is current stock / burn per day / how much needed to get you in the green / how many days of burn [02-Mar-25 02:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Which you can set to what ever day you need [02-Mar-25 02:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You ran out of consumables [02-Mar-25 02:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Which means your SME won’t run [02-Mar-25 02:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like DW RAT etc [02-Mar-25 02:12 PM] inspirity#0000 ah [02-Mar-25 02:12 PM] inspirity#0000 ig i need to stock up rq [02-Mar-25 02:12 PM] inspirity#0000 cuz i have a trip to england in 2d [02-Mar-25 02:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ye [02-Mar-25 02:13 PM] igfloz#0000 if you are going to be away from the game for some days..... it's best to stock up and let it run {Reactions} 👆 [02-Mar-25 02:13 PM] inspirity#0000 can i use the automation command on rPrun in any way for this [02-Mar-25 02:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes [02-Mar-25 02:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It can buy the right amount for you for x amount of days [02-Mar-25 02:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And even load it into a ship at ANT [02-Mar-25 02:14 PM] igfloz#0000 I'm not sure that you can automate transport ? - I don't do it, so I can't really inform [02-Mar-25 02:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You can load into ship but then you need to send the ship yourself [02-Mar-25 02:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 How much money do you have? [02-Mar-25 02:15 PM] inspirity#0000 510k [02-Mar-25 02:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Will you click the workforce button on your base and screen shot that and send it [02-Mar-25 02:16 PM] inspirity#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345852358076268595/image.png?ex=68147f6e&is=68132dee&hm=68973eec1a2583beaebf8a742ea66f8dd55a1ca3773e559aa4b605d12a880c80& [02-Mar-25 02:17 PM] igfloz#0000 I have a WCB landing soon at ANT - I need to send stuff to Deimos myself, so I'll throw a load of ALO on it for you - but you need to get stock of OVE / PWO etc. to keep it running [02-Mar-25 02:17 PM] igfloz#0000 1 time offer, free ALO, lol [02-Mar-25 02:17 PM] inspirity#0000 lol thx [02-Mar-25 02:17 PM] inspirity#0000 any knowabouts on when that will arrive? [02-Mar-25 02:17 PM] inspirity#0000 actually [02-Mar-25 02:17 PM] inspirity#0000 i have a ship at ANT rn so no biggie [02-Mar-25 02:17 PM] igfloz#0000 It'll be overnight for us. Prob arrive 3am maybe [02-Mar-25 02:18 PM] inspirity#0000 ok ok [02-Mar-25 02:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So you could buy 280 DW and RAT then 35 OVE and COF 14 PWO and that would last 10 days [02-Mar-25 02:18 PM] igfloz#0000 get your ship filled with the burn mats you need - OVE , PWO , DW etc. [02-Mar-25 02:18 PM] inspirity#0000 sure thing, should i get from cx? [02-Mar-25 02:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Also use the FLX recipe for AL [02-Mar-25 02:19 PM] inspirity#0000 or get an insider deal [02-Mar-25 02:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Insider deal would be cheaper but depends on who’s awake to fill [02-Mar-25 02:19 PM] inspirity#0000 ah i was using the O one [02-Mar-25 02:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The FLX uses C and O as well just makes one more AL [02-Mar-25 02:20 PM] inspirity#0000 bet [02-Mar-25 02:20 PM] igfloz#0000 I'm pretty strapped for OVE right now, but I can send you PWO for 220/u if thats any good ? [02-Mar-25 02:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can do COF and DW if you need [02-Mar-25 02:21 PM] inspirity#0000 ove is at 130/u on the high end at cx rn ill pass [02-Mar-25 02:21 PM] inspirity#0000 mb read it wrong [02-Mar-25 02:21 PM] igfloz#0000 lol, I don't have OVE to spare. Just PWO [02-Mar-25 02:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 220 for PWO not ove [02-Mar-25 02:21 PM] inspirity#0000 lemme check PWO [02-Mar-25 02:22 PM] inspirity#0000 sure illl take that 🤣 [02-Mar-25 02:22 PM] inspirity#0000 ill send a contract alr? [02-Mar-25 02:22 PM] igfloz#0000 please [02-Mar-25 02:24 PM] inspirity#0000 sent it [02-Mar-25 02:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Uh I can do COF and DW for 650/u and 75/u if you want [02-Mar-25 02:24 PM] inspirity#0000 sure [02-Mar-25 02:26 PM] inspirity#0000 ok then i'd have to buy the RAT and OVE on cx right [02-Mar-25 02:27 PM] inspirity#0000 btw thx for the deal @igfloz [02-Mar-25 02:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah unless you want to try to find someone who has an internal offer [02-Mar-25 02:27 PM] inspirity#0000 i could check if any1 is online xD [02-Mar-25 02:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I also have some FLX you can buy but it’s at Deimos not ANT (90/u) [02-Mar-25 02:28 PM] inspirity#0000 im on deimos so sure [02-Mar-25 02:28 PM] tanda#0000 I have RAT at ANT if you want to send for it. Check my post in #internal-offers [02-Mar-25 02:28 PM] inspirity#0000 how much would u recon i need [02-Mar-25 02:28 PM] inspirity#0000 👍 [02-Mar-25 02:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It’s 1 per recipe [02-Mar-25 02:28 PM] igfloz#0000 @inspirity I've sent you a "startup" package 🙂 [02-Mar-25 02:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 300?? [02-Mar-25 02:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think that should keep you for 30 days [02-Mar-25 02:29 PM] inspirity#0000 geez bro [02-Mar-25 02:29 PM] inspirity#0000 thx alot [02-Mar-25 02:29 PM] igfloz#0000 heh, you need more warehouse at ANT 😄 [02-Mar-25 02:29 PM] inspirity#0000 alr 90/u right [02-Mar-25 02:29 PM] inspirity#0000 funny considering i have 3 (iirc) [02-Mar-25 02:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have 30? [02-Mar-25 02:30 PM] igfloz#0000 ALO takes some space [02-Mar-25 02:30 PM] laaxus#0000 warehouses are dirt cheap [02-Mar-25 02:30 PM] inspirity#0000 ah xD [02-Mar-25 02:30 PM] tanda#0000 I hoard a bit, I have 80 at ANT [02-Mar-25 02:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well the CX ones get more and more expensive [02-Mar-25 02:30 PM] laaxus#0000 I ... did not know about that [02-Mar-25 02:31 PM] inspirity#0000 i bought another 9 [02-Mar-25 02:31 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/pepe-nervous-sweating-concerned-monkas-gif-15154684 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/pepe-nervous-sweating-concerned-monkas-gif-15154684 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2X9YWxOhwkFuq50auu1jaCaVqV6VhwTetwVJtcBvxbs/https/media.tenor.com/GmU85epf9D4AAAAe/pepe-nervous.png [02-Mar-25 02:31 PM] inspirity#0000 should sustain my supplies on ANT for a bit [02-Mar-25 02:31 PM] laaxus#0000 let me check, real fast [02-Mar-25 02:31 PM] tanda#0000 Hal, mine still cost 100/unit for the CX {Reactions} hehe [02-Mar-25 02:31 PM] laaxus#0000 nah, doesn't seem like it [02-Mar-25 02:31 PM] igfloz#0000 ?!? Does not compute ! [02-Mar-25 02:31 PM] Sapphire#8184 {Embed} :error: Command not found > There's no command called `?!?`. [02-Mar-25 02:31 PM] laaxus#0000 at 100 warehouses, it is still 100 per warehouse [02-Mar-25 02:32 PM] tanda#0000 I see Sapphire agrees too [02-Mar-25 02:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Hmm [02-Mar-25 02:32 PM] igfloz#0000 lol, that was wierd [02-Mar-25 02:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 They did when I got them at another CX [02-Mar-25 02:33 PM] laaxus#0000 that's the price your soul pay for trading with other cxs [02-Mar-25 02:33 PM] inspirity#0000 @tanda sent u a contract for 280 RAT [02-Mar-25 02:34 PM] igfloz#0000 @inspirity There is 1K ALO on the way to Deimos for you............ err I can hold it for you if you do not have space. I'll contract it to you tomorrow when I come home from work [02-Mar-25 02:34 PM] inspirity#0000 GEEZ BRO WTH [02-Mar-25 02:34 PM] inspirity#0000 ty ig [02-Mar-25 02:34 PM] inspirity#0000 speechless fr [02-Mar-25 02:34 PM] tanda#0000 haul in a little extra, I'm about to need to buy 2k [02-Mar-25 02:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Lolol you want to buy some of mine? [02-Mar-25 02:35 PM] inspirity#0000 any1 here sell 270 FLX {Reactions} MewWave [02-Mar-25 02:35 PM] igfloz#0000 I had a little lying about - why not help a new bro ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345857043294191749/image.png?ex=681483cb&is=6813324b&hm=42894df8ce57afbd0bc2a4ae0e182caa472881b7abb510e345032af861056312& [02-Mar-25 02:35 PM] inspirity#0000 btw hal im about to send contract for 30 flx where should i put destination? [02-Mar-25 02:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 300 [02-Mar-25 02:35 PM] inspirity#0000 ooh u have 300 xD [02-Mar-25 02:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Deimos [02-Mar-25 02:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have 20k [02-Mar-25 02:36 PM] inspirity#0000 lol [02-Mar-25 02:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh [02-Mar-25 02:36 PM] inspirity#0000 typo im guessing [02-Mar-25 02:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Stupid fat fingering [02-Mar-25 02:36 PM] inspirity#0000 how much per unit did u want again? [02-Mar-25 02:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 90 [02-Mar-25 02:36 PM] inspirity#0000 k [02-Mar-25 02:37 PM] inspirity#0000 alr sent [02-Mar-25 02:37 PM] igfloz#0000 @.urpalhal I've recently changed my Deimos base build (ex DNPC) - I'll be hitting you up for FLX at some point {Reactions} DancieBoi [02-Mar-25 02:38 PM] inspirity#0000 is it normal to only have the ability to buy 7 warehouses on deimos [02-Mar-25 02:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes [02-Mar-25 02:38 PM] inspirity#0000 ok [02-Mar-25 02:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Planet WAR are expensive to upgrade for the whole planet [02-Mar-25 02:38 PM] igfloz#0000 yes, each planet's warehouse capacity is managed by the local govenment [02-Mar-25 02:39 PM] inspirity#0000 u have to upgrade it planet wide? [02-Mar-25 02:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 7 is actually a lot for a planet per company [02-Mar-25 02:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeh [02-Mar-25 02:39 PM] inspirity#0000 then ig its logical u only have 7/person xD [02-Mar-25 02:39 PM] inspirity#0000 im paying like 2.2k total for warehouses [02-Mar-25 02:39 PM] inspirity#0000 i forgot if it was /day or /week [02-Mar-25 02:39 PM] igfloz#0000 FYI - I only have 2 STO and 6 Warehouse on Deimos [02-Mar-25 02:40 PM] igfloz#0000 it's per week [02-Mar-25 02:40 PM] inspirity#0000 SO THATS WHAT I FORGOT [02-Mar-25 02:40 PM] inspirity#0000 I forgot to build STO xD [02-Mar-25 02:41 PM] igfloz#0000 rofl !!! I'm not laughing at you, we ALL do it [02-Mar-25 02:41 PM] laaxus#0000 one of us ! [02-Mar-25 02:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I don’t forget [02-Mar-25 02:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I just never have enough STO [02-Mar-25 02:41 PM] igfloz#0000 oh yeah ! one of us 😄 [02-Mar-25 02:42 PM] inspirity#0000 is it smart to do this? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345858870433677342/image.png?ex=6814857f&is=681333ff&hm=4e68d9c2ab52e12d6f2e8c66d3085f3c9bcec85c763fb7a0f15b5b60cfe0b7fd& [02-Mar-25 02:42 PM] laaxus#0000 if you don't have pro, yes [02-Mar-25 02:42 PM] inspirity#0000 or am i risking anything by putting it on for 8d straight [02-Mar-25 02:42 PM] laaxus#0000 else no [02-Mar-25 02:43 PM] inspirity#0000 what do i do if i have pro [02-Mar-25 02:43 PM] igfloz#0000 In massive huge capital letter "YES"!!!" [02-Mar-25 02:43 PM] laaxus#0000 recuring [02-Mar-25 02:43 PM] inspirity#0000 do i turn that off? [02-Mar-25 02:43 PM] laaxus#0000 recuring with 1 [02-Mar-25 02:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Click the recurring order like you do [02-Mar-25 02:43 PM] inspirity#0000 ah [02-Mar-25 02:43 PM] inspirity#0000 so this? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345859163183386736/image.png?ex=681485c5&is=68133445&hm=379b08fb3cf91cc6c89d47a7bfea016e8fdbad674f4f14d22adabfef092be310& [02-Mar-25 02:43 PM] laaxus#0000 yep [02-Mar-25 02:43 PM] inspirity#0000 bet ty [02-Mar-25 02:47 PM] inspirity#0000 yum I love materials {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1345860000496488499/image.png?ex=6814868c&is=6813350c&hm=1d6238ef5debc4a2b930bca0a0aefb1eaf139f5caa3b5ebc2bc0b3e2fda4a534& [02-Mar-25 02:47 PM] inspirity#0000 shit [02-Mar-25 02:47 PM] inspirity#0000 im gonna have to fly back and forth like 5 times to move it all to my base [02-Mar-25 02:48 PM] igfloz#0000 😄 I like providing problems for others to figure out {Reactions} 🤣 👍 [02-Mar-25 02:48 PM] inspirity#0000 atleast I have the materials to keep my stuff running for 2d so no big problems i hope [02-Mar-25 02:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The food and stuff should fit fine [02-Mar-25 02:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 At least [02-Mar-25 02:57 PM] inspirity#0000 yeah thats not a concern [02-Mar-25 02:57 PM] igfloz#0000 In the future, I can possibly help you with O - not sure how much excess I will have at Deimos, unless maybe you are already collecting O ? [02-Mar-25 02:57 PM] inspirity#0000 just the insane amount of ALO [02-Mar-25 02:58 PM] inspirity#0000 nope i have 0 idea how that works, my friend told me something something atmosphere but 0 idea what that meant [02-Mar-25 02:59 PM] igfloz#0000 so.. you need O (Oxygen) to smelt AL right ? [02-Mar-25 03:01 PM] inspirity#0000 yeah [02-Mar-25 03:02 PM] igfloz#0000 well, Deimos is Kinda OK to collect O if you wish. You might have to make space to build collectors (lose some SME) - or you buy O from someone [02-Mar-25 04:49 PM] potaterror#0000 If someone's feeling enterprising you could go in with a few other players and have an O/ALO base and a couple dedicated SME bases, then split the take. [02-Mar-25 04:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 A quasi DNCP [02-Mar-25 07:26 PM] potaterror#0000 Exactly. [03-Mar-25 12:05 AM] .urpalhal#0000 @lax9552 you can present your plan for a grant in here like Tanda said check #agp-information for more information about the program [03-Mar-25 02:34 AM] inspirity#0000 still 1800 overflow ALO xD {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1346038020075159573/image.png?ex=68148398&is=68133218&hm=0d5e9f044c60b954c8fc78abc3eb2bfbbab21e3438d73c8390afb9b14b1d51a6& [03-Mar-25 02:37 AM] laaxus#0000 btw, I believe the FLX recipe is the most profitable [03-Mar-25 02:37 AM] inspirity#0000 using that rn {Reactions} 👍 [03-Mar-25 04:15 AM] realharvey#0000 Someday you'll have bigger ships :D {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1346063456889212978/image.png?ex=68149b48&is=681349c8&hm=7fff5fcd8c4a327cb41d31a9c8cd601bdd9dafc70332690bb2a36e67622e109f& [03-Mar-25 06:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I could ship like 1000 units for you over to Deimos, if you need assistance [03-Mar-25 06:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I fly that route regularly and have some WCB (big ships) available [03-Mar-25 06:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Also, if you have struggle to ship the AL back to ANT, sell it on the LM or directly to me or @evov on Deimos - I will ship it myself and EvoV is always in need for AL 😂 [03-Mar-25 06:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Damn, where are you getting all that ALO from? [03-Mar-25 06:14 AM] inspirity#0000 would be nice, otherwise i wont have it all at my base before im gone for a week [03-Mar-25 06:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Sure - send me a transport contract for 3000t max - should be 1000 ALO iirc with a few days for completion [03-Mar-25 06:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 3000 aic is enough to cover the costs 😉 [03-Mar-25 06:19 AM] pxlfox.#0000 You can also always post LM ads on ANT to transport stuff over to Deimos. In my experience they get picked up rather quickly, since there is a lot of traffic between Deimos and ANT [03-Mar-25 07:30 AM] inspirity#0000 alr bet [03-Mar-25 07:30 AM] inspirity#0000 i have 0 idea what LM ads are please enlighten me [03-Mar-25 07:31 AM] laaxus#0000 it's like a cx [03-Mar-25 07:31 AM] laaxus#0000 but wish version [03-Mar-25 07:31 AM] laaxus#0000 + with shipping contract [03-Mar-25 07:31 AM] inspirity#0000 lol alr bet [03-Mar-25 07:32 AM] laaxus#0000 in short, they're contract [03-Mar-25 07:32 AM] laaxus#0000 that are public [03-Mar-25 07:32 AM] laaxus#0000 and that anybody can accept [03-Mar-25 07:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ^ basically that [03-Mar-25 07:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 You can access them via the `LM` command [03-Mar-25 07:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 For the ANT LM, usw. `LM ANT` [03-Mar-25 07:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 everybody can post and accept offers there. They work mostly like normal contracts, when accepted. [03-Mar-25 07:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 You have to pay a little fee to post and ad, tho [03-Mar-25 07:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Deimos has one, too: `LM ZV-759c` [03-Mar-25 07:36 AM] laaxus#0000 fee so small you can safely ignore it [03-Mar-25 07:36 AM] laaxus#0000 it's a rounding error tbh [03-Mar-25 07:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 They are mostly used for local trading [03-Mar-25 07:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I personally like them and include them on every base screen. But some don’t ever look at them. [03-Mar-25 07:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Also, they work great on the CX and very active planets like Deimos, but are mostly dead on smaller ones [03-Mar-25 07:56 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I do wish the CX LMs had a way to filter (or, a better sort) by shipping destination (or source -- whichever end isn't the CX) [03-Mar-25 09:04 AM] inspirity#0000 👍 ill try it [03-Mar-25 09:35 AM] inspirity#0000 @pxlfox. this correct? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1346144040495878274/image.png?ex=6814e655&is=681394d5&hm=5c60dd3dde869bde9663efae1c8d691f633fa1f08b1e878ea381b1bcacaae2bb& {Reactions} 👍 [03-Mar-25 09:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 looks good to me [03-Mar-25 09:36 AM] inspirity#0000 alright sent 👍 [03-Mar-25 09:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 should arrive in 1-2 days [03-Mar-25 09:37 AM] inspirity#0000 ty [03-Mar-25 10:32 AM] inspirity#0000 sobs in no STO xD {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1346158268409712650/image.png?ex=6814f395&is=6813a215&hm=87b30af492ba3b12c99b4bb7f4d7fc63376e008791bad77b9eac6ebba4da15a0& [03-Mar-25 10:33 AM] jcheung#0000 no STO? 😬 [03-Mar-25 10:34 AM] laaxus#0000 How about you build an sto [03-Mar-25 10:34 AM] laaxus#0000 Even two of them [03-Mar-25 10:39 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ye [03-Mar-25 10:41 AM] inspirity#0000 im getting the supplies from ANT rn [03-Mar-25 11:15 AM] igfloz#0000 I mine a lot. I used to be the top producer of ALO, but I'll be dropping down the ranks now that I'm changing my focus a little [03-Mar-25 12:42 PM] nx#0000 Hi! I'm about 2 and a half weeks into the game, and I was hoping to get the grant to help speed some things along. Currently, I have a base on Phobos working on making FE, which at the moment, is my primary source of income. I also have a base on Norwick, but that is with the Aluminium Alliance. My plans with the grant are to expand to Harmonia to produce some C and RAT to help bring expenses down and allow me to move into production of STL back on Phobos. I would like to eventually move into some kind of manufacturing, but that knowledge is currently beyond me at the moment. The PrUnPlanner for my planned expansion is: https://prunplanner.org/shared/ee9b28d0-8f10-4c53-ab6f-9322ab9d36a7. Please let me know if I’m super off with what I’m trying to do. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/ee9b28d0-8f10-4c53-ab6f-9322ab9d36a7. PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [03-Mar-25 01:13 PM] potaterror#0000 Bit busy, if you're wanting to go into C production you'd be better served going for some resource extraction planet. Nascent might be of interest, you could just sell ALO instead of producing O. Also, Phobos isn't going to be great for STL prodution long term, I think, it's cross-COGC as well. [03-Mar-25 01:18 PM] potaterror#0000 If you wanted to get mildly silly with things you could set up some bases over in SE-110a and do quite a bit of that in-system. [03-Mar-25 01:34 PM] jcheung#0000 Phobos FE isn't particularly great [03-Mar-25 01:34 PM] jcheung#0000 That said phobos anything for newbies kinda sucks [03-Mar-25 01:49 PM] inspirity#0000 🔥 only an hour till i can build 2x STO {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1346207943166525611/image.png?ex=68147918&is=68132798&hm=81eabeb032e841bbc57bce64005e8753bce463cb87c70ce26931540ee91a4455& {Reactions} 🔥 [03-Mar-25 02:01 PM] igfloz#0000 You won't regret it. It's something to always think about when base planning in prunplanner [03-Mar-25 02:01 PM] jcheung#0000 I try to bring sto mats first {Reactions} 👆 [03-Mar-25 02:02 PM] jcheung#0000 For sanitys sake [03-Mar-25 02:02 PM] inspirity#0000 i planned 2 but forgot xD [03-Mar-25 02:02 PM] inspirity#0000 0 profit yet tho {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1346211231165583420/image.png?ex=68147c28&is=68132aa8&hm=2676ead560bbc04cf73cb04e8b7cae15268cea48798e7b54788dcf4eb259143c& [03-Mar-25 02:02 PM] inspirity#0000 partially cuz i've yet to sell my AL [03-Mar-25 02:03 PM] jcheung#0000 Deimos? [03-Mar-25 02:03 PM] inspirity#0000 yeah [03-Mar-25 02:03 PM] igfloz#0000 heh, heh - it'll come. PrUn is not a quick return endorphin satisfying kinda thing..... it's very slow burn [03-Mar-25 02:03 PM] inspirity#0000 xit burn go brrr [03-Mar-25 02:04 PM] jcheung#0000 I can offer ai.1 bid on site, unfortunately not much more than that [03-Mar-25 02:04 PM] igfloz#0000 oh @inspirity looks like you already have a potential repeat customer 🙂 [03-Mar-25 02:04 PM] inspirity#0000 which would be how much? [03-Mar-25 02:06 PM] jcheung#0000 The red [03-Mar-25 02:07 PM] inspirity#0000 :huh: i dont get what ur saying srry [03-Mar-25 02:07 PM] inspirity#0000 i've been playing for a solid 3 days now [03-Mar-25 02:08 PM] igfloz#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1346212575561388143/image.png?ex=68147d69&is=68132be9&hm=8a91c5402f6c255464346a6956cd52d942a032bea86502ee39825f6b1a27adaa& [03-Mar-25 02:08 PM] jcheung#0000 Err. Not red. The green [03-Mar-25 02:08 PM] igfloz#0000 He means the green (offer) price [03-Mar-25 02:08 PM] inspirity#0000 so 725/u? [03-Mar-25 02:08 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1346212636051902590/Screenshot_20250303_150817_Chrome.jpg?ex=68147d77&is=68132bf7&hm=1d6859727e3442f72718847d57b1d87d2936dccf1b53916eba0569f48367d611& [03-Mar-25 02:08 PM] igfloz#0000 lol, we both got that wrong eh ? [03-Mar-25 02:08 PM] jcheung#0000 I mixed up my colors) [03-Mar-25 02:08 PM] inspirity#0000 . [03-Mar-25 02:08 PM] jcheung#0000 Yeah [03-Mar-25 02:08 PM] inspirity#0000 ok [03-Mar-25 02:08 PM] inspirity#0000 deal [03-Mar-25 02:09 PM] inspirity#0000 ive got 50 in stock [03-Mar-25 02:09 PM] inspirity#0000 you can buy it all off me if you'd like i have 0 use for it [03-Mar-25 02:10 PM] jcheung#0000 Send me a cont [03-Mar-25 02:11 PM] inspirity#0000 sent [03-Mar-25 02:12 PM] inspirity#0000 good doing business with you [03-Mar-25 02:13 PM] jcheung#0000 Yay. Now i get to up my CF production because I'm not running out of AL >.> {Reactions} 👍 [03-Mar-25 02:14 PM] igfloz#0000 As a suggestion (and I'm sure JC will offer more on this) - get set up on deliveries / week or something solid. I'm sure no one want to mess around with 50 or 26 Al each time [03-Mar-25 02:20 PM] jcheung#0000 Let's take this outta agp [03-Mar-25 09:58 PM] lax9552#0000 I am looking for a grant to complete my refineries on deimos. I have a trading partner for my current 12 (10k ff/d). But would like to round it out and max the area. I also produce AL and fill small value gaps at AI1 through 2 bmp and various SML. [03-Mar-25 10:02 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm sorry, did you say you make FF on deimos? 👀 [03-Mar-25 10:05 PM] lax9552#0000 Yep, ~50% H integrated from Romulus. Not the best ROI but I am a big risk management guy. [03-Mar-25 10:07 PM] jcheung#0000 what's the profit/d roughly of your completed base? [03-Mar-25 10:07 PM] lax9552#0000 I can fit 4-6 ref and could scale down on ext and sme if demand is high enough. All my FF is currently contd to my angel investor but always happy to mix it up. [03-Mar-25 10:07 PM] jcheung#0000 are you familiar with COGC? [03-Mar-25 10:07 PM] lax9552#0000 Both together 150 profit [03-Mar-25 10:08 PM] jcheung#0000 as in 150 credits a day? [03-Mar-25 10:08 PM] lax9552#0000 110 coming from Deimos [03-Mar-25 10:08 PM] lax9552#0000 150k [03-Mar-25 10:08 PM] lax9552#0000 I can get you the prun [03-Mar-25 10:08 PM] jcheung#0000 huh. is FF really that profitable nowadays? [03-Mar-25 10:10 PM] jcheung#0000 holy shit, FF is more profitable than metallurgy on deimos >.< [03-Mar-25 10:10 PM] lax9552#0000 Partner picks up plt side transport low, with h integration helps steady price. More also comes from quick production batches [03-Mar-25 10:10 PM] jcheung#0000 well, specifically more profitable than AL [03-Mar-25 10:10 PM] lax9552#0000 Yes LI is good rn [03-Mar-25 10:10 PM] lax9552#0000 But that may come down. [03-Mar-25 10:11 PM] lax9552#0000 Last week EXO was nuts. [03-Mar-25 10:12 PM] jcheung#0000 are you familiar with COGC? [03-Mar-25 10:15 PM] lax9552#0000 Yea, long term i need to move the ref of Diemos but that will be quite the project. [03-Mar-25 10:16 PM] lax9552#0000 I was able to get 2m in profit since the beginning of the year, started playing in mid Jan [03-Mar-25 10:18 PM] lax9552#0000 Could be earlier either way, the concept seems to be ok [03-Mar-25 10:19 PM] jcheung#0000 well, anyways. the plan for your base would be useful to people considering grants [03-Mar-25 10:20 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm not sure if you'll have anyone bite on REFs on deimos, but they *do* ***somehow*** work right now [03-Mar-25 11:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol so your plan is To make REFs? [04-Mar-25 12:00 AM] .urpalhal#0000 On Deimos? [04-Mar-25 06:05 AM] jvaler#0000 has been for months. people just keep repeating that it's terrible without having looked at the numbers since when they first started playing [04-Mar-25 06:06 AM] jvaler#0000 okay not 150k/d on deimos profitable, but still [04-Mar-25 07:57 AM] jcheung#0000 Well i knew it was profitable just not that good on deimos [04-Mar-25 08:58 AM] lax9552#0000 That 150 number comes from my AL and ALO and various BMP batches. I also have a partner that provides reduced cost rat dw and cof [04-Mar-25 09:00 AM] lax9552#0000 I would like to vertically integrate my fuel production line, help keep fuel costs low for Ant [04-Mar-25 09:01 AM] lax9552#0000 Have they said what the gateway fule recipe will be? [04-Mar-25 09:02 AM] lax9552#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/a7e0a2f9-ed56-47ed-9547-1361a024c1cc {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/a7e0a2f9-ed56-47ed-9547-1361a024c1cc PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [04-Mar-25 09:19 AM] lax9552#0000 @.urpalhal plan is to upgrade hq to lvl 4, move my refineries to fuel ref cogc planet in ZV and then continue to source permanent H and HE3 [04-Mar-25 10:23 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Some new fuels type I believe [04-Mar-25 10:24 AM] laaxus#0000 On that topic [04-Mar-25 10:24 AM] laaxus#0000 Small confession [04-Mar-25 10:25 AM] laaxus#0000 The New fuel requires a New kind of resource [04-Mar-25 10:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yep [04-Mar-25 10:25 AM] laaxus#0000 That'll probably be on an unsettled planet [04-Mar-25 10:26 AM] laaxus#0000 I almost joined a plan to put ships all around the galaxy, to be the first to Settle on such planets, put the Settlement tax to 10M and earn a lot of money through that monopoloy [04-Mar-25 10:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Lolol [04-Mar-25 10:27 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I guess we will see what happens [04-Mar-25 10:28 AM] laaxus#0000 I feel like gateway will Never come [04-Mar-25 10:28 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Maybe [04-Mar-25 10:28 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I can give you a grant [04-Mar-25 10:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It’s actively worked on, so it will be released eventually [04-Mar-25 10:45 AM] thinkrhino#0000 @laaxus your face when the new fuel type is farmed from asteroids. [04-Mar-25 10:46 AM] laaxus#0000 asteroids will come one year after the release of gateways at best [04-Mar-25 10:46 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm safe [04-Mar-25 10:51 AM] thinkrhino#0000 Dang, a year after never? [04-Mar-25 10:51 AM] laaxus#0000 yep [04-Mar-25 10:51 AM] thinkrhino#0000 *whistles* [04-Mar-25 10:52 AM] laaxus#0000 ever heard of transfinite numbers ? [04-Mar-25 10:52 AM] laaxus#0000 Asteroids release date is ω + 1 [04-Mar-25 11:23 AM] lax9552#0000 That would be awesome! {Reactions} 🫡 [04-Mar-25 11:27 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I’m away from my computer at the moment so it will be in a bit (unless someone else wants to) [04-Mar-25 11:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Same logic as “If you die, I’ll kill you” [04-Mar-25 12:51 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yes, it will look like this: [04-Mar-25 12:51 PM] archielvahr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1346555706337136830/gateway-new-fuel.png?ex=6815143a&is=6813c2ba&hm=fa3dc581315daf6eb75992ab344417d100889d7f6473f75e6988fa847cfbf463& [04-Mar-25 12:54 PM] archielvahr#0000 more gateway details here: https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/posts/what-we-know-about-gateways/ {Embed} https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/posts/what-we-know-about-gateways/ What we know about Gateways | OOG Capital Management Everything we know about gateways- so far. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/RZAB_xXIeAXn1u6PSETRmtOPvqCuSjPqNJILNR6cWQo/https/oogcapitalmanagement.com/images/jumpgate-header.png [04-Mar-25 01:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 sent [05-Mar-25 05:23 AM] keremcozin#0000 Hi everyone [05-Mar-25 05:25 AM] keremcozin#0000 I'm a returning player with a fresh start with COLIQ. My previous company was called Ad Astra Corporation and later I formed Per Aspera Innovations if you remember the names. Anyway they are in the history of PrUn now. I restarted at Hortus - Promitor a couple of weeks ago. [05-Mar-25 05:27 AM] keremcozin#0000 I just happened to know about this ADI program recently and I wish to offer you my plan to get benefit from it; I wish to establish my second base at Harmonia as a Carbon Farmer, a full (1-permit) base dedicated to Carbon Farming there and therefore further possible expansion into Construction and/or Plastics [05-Mar-25 05:28 AM] keremcozin#0000 I can provide you my plan made at PrUnplanner website [05-Mar-25 05:30 AM] laaxus#0000 please do [05-Mar-25 05:34 AM] keremcozin#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/88fa56fb-44d8-4f19-9628-a4ce427fd289 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/88fa56fb-44d8-4f19-9628-a4ce427fd289 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [05-Mar-25 05:34 AM] keremcozin#0000 Here you go [05-Mar-25 05:36 AM] keremcozin#0000 65 C and 62 H2O daily production, while still slightly relying on market [05-Mar-25 05:37 AM] keremcozin#0000 What I learned in all the time I played is, being totally self-sufficient is harmful to the game economy 🙂 [05-Mar-25 05:38 AM] keremcozin#0000 So I'm planning to always leave some room to imports this time [05-Mar-25 05:39 AM] keremcozin#0000 haha Laaxus our avatars are so similar alike 😄 😹 [05-Mar-25 05:47 AM] keremcozin#0000 I'll come back in a hour, gotta do some chores, see you around o7 [05-Mar-25 05:58 AM] laaxus#0000 true true 😄 [05-Mar-25 05:59 AM] laaxus#0000 People can take a few hours to respond [05-Mar-25 05:59 AM] laaxus#0000 I can't give you the grant myself, my finance are currently thight because of a project of mine [05-Mar-25 06:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 watch out for those missing PIO's tho, personally I don't like that little inefficiency, but if it works for you it should be fine [05-Mar-25 06:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 although you are missing out on about 4.5 carbon per day because of it.. [05-Mar-25 06:11 AM] tanda#0000 I can't see profit numbers currently, but I suspect that it's probably still better to import water to Harmonia rather than pump on site [05-Mar-25 06:11 AM] tanda#0000 and buying water on the LM for Harmonia is usually pretty easy [05-Mar-25 06:13 AM] pagy1234#0000 probably true aswell [05-Mar-25 06:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah the base becomes 100k cheaper and has 2k more profit if you change out all the RIG's for FRM's and remove 1 INC to make space [05-Mar-25 06:16 AM] pagy1234#0000 only lose out on ~2.5 carbon per day but produce a bunch of HCP and GRN [05-Mar-25 06:35 AM] keremcozin#0000 hmm..from my previous experience, on that paper those imports look good but as a new player with limited logistics support, I have to keep transporting goods between planet and the market constantly which can be tiresome especially at the start [05-Mar-25 06:40 AM] keremcozin#0000 like this? https://prunplanner.org/shared/a5c4da20-7637-49e1-9161-2e290ca4197e {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/a5c4da20-7637-49e1-9161-2e290ca4197e PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [05-Mar-25 06:44 AM] keremcozin#0000 then what about this? https://prunplanner.org/shared/7ba7b105-ee38-4033-8d70-c3110e0bf280 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/7ba7b105-ee38-4033-8d70-c3110e0bf280 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [05-Mar-25 06:45 AM] keremcozin#0000 here no storage unfortunately but more Carbon and more surplus agri stuff [05-Mar-25 06:46 AM] keremcozin#0000 if I stock some H2O upstart that won't be an issue probably, I'm planning to have a water base at Boucher next, or maybe Etherwind [05-Mar-25 06:47 AM] laaxus#0000 I'd recommend at least one sto [05-Mar-25 06:48 AM] keremcozin#0000 I like having STO too [05-Mar-25 06:48 AM] keremcozin#0000 I'll look more about the other industry possibilities [05-Mar-25 06:49 AM] keremcozin#0000 carbon farming doesn't seem very profitable but it's very very useful to have [05-Mar-25 06:56 AM] keremcozin#0000 better plan here https://prunplanner.org/shared/55d0ea12-0dfa-4a2b-b642-17b3774a8b29 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/55d0ea12-0dfa-4a2b-b642-17b3774a8b29 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [05-Mar-25 06:58 AM] keremcozin#0000 last one can work very well [05-Mar-25 08:30 AM] keremcozin#0000 if you think I would be eligible, I'll work towards establishing a base there as soon as possible [05-Mar-25 08:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 that base looks better, adjust the ratios on the farms though so that you only produce exactly enough GRN to supply your INC, that way you maximise your HER output since that is much more valuable. [05-Mar-25 09:52 AM] finestone#0000 I would probably go 2 STO 2 Rig drop 1 FRM I can send you a grant assuming you have PRO [05-Mar-25 09:53 AM] finestone#0000 I usually run 2-3 STO on all planets [05-Mar-25 10:29 AM] keremcozin#0000 wow that would be amazing for me, my ships are already around Antares. Yes I have PRO. I can establish the base after tomorrow [05-Mar-25 10:29 AM] keremcozin#0000 I would probably go 2 STO 2 Rig drop 1 FRM >> can do that [05-Mar-25 10:32 AM] finestone#0000 you could also drop the Rigs and go 11 FRM 3 INC w/ 3 STO since farms seems to have good margins atm. [05-Mar-25 10:33 AM] keremcozin#0000 I can do that, since the main profit is coming from HER [05-Mar-25 10:33 AM] finestone#0000 are you planning on leaving one ship in HORTUS and 1 Ship in ANT then? [05-Mar-25 10:33 AM] keremcozin#0000 Yes [05-Mar-25 10:34 AM] keremcozin#0000 Right now both of my ships at ANT because they are doing delivery jobs [05-Mar-25 10:34 AM] finestone#0000 yeah water is cheap and pretty consistent so your fine just buying. [05-Mar-25 10:38 AM] finestone#0000 https://tenor.com/view/the-god-father-marlon-brando-vito-corleone-talk-to-me-gif-20107028 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/the-god-father-marlon-brando-vito-corleone-talk-to-me-gif-20107028 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ursPyoh4tfmjw_qK4iduNMm-VyaygIzNPXYzL5lClyk/https/media.tenor.com/AvRN6GlmzXsAAAAe/the-god-father-marlon-brando.png {Reactions} 🚀 [05-Mar-25 10:38 AM] finestone#0000 Grant sent welcome to ADI [05-Mar-25 10:38 AM] keremcozin#0000 I received the support package, thank you so much! [05-Mar-25 10:39 AM] keremcozin#0000 this is huge help to players at start like me 🥳 [05-Mar-25 10:40 AM] finestone#0000 Of course! I received a grant when I started its a huge help. If you have any questions please reach out. [05-Mar-25 10:42 AM] keremcozin#0000 Roger that, I'll be around 🙂 [05-Mar-25 10:45 AM] finestone#0000 @jvaler Updated Database [05-Mar-25 11:28 AM] jvaler#0000 ty :D [05-Mar-25 11:29 AM] jvaler#0000 i haven't been tracking chat to fill in any gaps people may have left [05-Mar-25 11:31 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I’ve been doing my job [05-Mar-25 11:31 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I’m at like 6 mil in donations [05-Mar-25 11:33 AM] laaxus#0000 I ... have never updated the sheet [05-Mar-25 11:33 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/pepe-nervous-sweating-concerned-monkas-gif-15154684 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/pepe-nervous-sweating-concerned-monkas-gif-15154684 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2X9YWxOhwkFuq50auu1jaCaVqV6VhwTetwVJtcBvxbs/https/media.tenor.com/GmU85epf9D4AAAAe/pepe-nervous.png [05-Mar-25 12:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 heh [05-Mar-25 12:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 guess Jvaler knows where to start [05-Mar-25 03:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @theprguy do what laxus said about the company bit but this might be a good place to start #agp-information to get some info about our grant program [05-Mar-25 03:28 PM] theprguy#0000 Awesome, thanks Hal. Question, are there any parameters to determine what makes a good/bad plan, and what production to focus on if I went manufacturer? [05-Mar-25 03:52 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 You'll also need to have PRO to get the grant. {Reactions} 👆 [05-Mar-25 04:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Your plan/ base makes money {Reactions} 💯 [05-Mar-25 05:31 PM] tanda#0000 There's like 2 sub-bullet points there, imo [05-Mar-25 05:32 PM] tanda#0000 1.a: The product you're producing is not going to saturate your market by outstripping demand 1.b: You can feasibly ship the inputs and outputs for your base [05-Mar-25 07:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 very valid points here [05-Mar-25 11:27 PM] theprguy#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/9fb97855-8916-4bc2-b979-6ed6cbb81b4e something like this viable? {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/9fb97855-8916-4bc2-b979-6ed6cbb81b4e PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [06-Mar-25 12:35 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah probably [06-Mar-25 12:36 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Also you don’t need an order for each building you can just put one HER and one H2O and it will cover all the buildings [06-Mar-25 12:36 AM] .urpalhal#0000 If you wanted to do HER and say GRN then you would add another order to do that [06-Mar-25 09:02 AM] theprguy#0000 oh got it, makes sense, thank you Hal {Reactions} DancieBoi [06-Mar-25 10:10 AM] evany.#0000 (pinned) not to dissuade you and it can get all-encompassing a bit i'd put a few caveats as a new player - Probably avoid anything that requires engineers/scientists workers - at least 70% of the base(buildings) follow the planets COGC - Don't overwhelm yourself for shipping, you might only have one base now and you have two ships so you feel like you have the world at your fingertips, you will feel differently when you drop your 5th or 7th base and still only have two ships - don't try to verticalize your bases ("oh i need O so i better extract O so its free") while this might be true it is important to 'realize' your profits so you can do things / follow other interests - its okay to have a grandiose plan like "oh i want to make FIM" and build up the ration base then the DDT base then the HER base then the FIM base, but especially early on focus on one part of that chain as all parts of the chain are profitable and move in volume its OK to pick and choose where you want to start, but if you say "evan im gonna make drones" thats going to require like 5 bases and there is no market for them / they don't sell especially the intermediate parts. - check around #trading when standing up those bases to see if people have spare fabs they will part with for you, makes it cheaper for when you drop the base maybe you can make 9 buildings instead of 7 [06-Mar-25 10:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 I should have listened to the 3rd point more, my ships havent stopped moving for more than 3 hours at a time in over 2 weeks {Reactions} 😭 (2) [06-Mar-25 10:13 AM] evany.#0000 it occurs to me that i got a lot of this sort of advice when i started, but either I never asked why or the rationale behind it was never offered. certainly could be a mix of both. {Reactions} 👆 [06-Mar-25 10:14 AM] evany.#0000 this is definitely viable and i used the FIM example as just that - an example. But you have this on planet Phobos which is a electronics planet, do not build FRM on an electronics planet, if you want to run FRM then COLIQ into harmonia is your better bet - then take the grant [06-Mar-25 10:18 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 My unpopular opinion is some small violations of "the rules" early on are ok, especailly if the alternative is sending a lot of nearly empty ship trips (which, early on, can be a significant fraction of your income) But being aware of these sorts of things and the choices you are making, and watching for when you need to change is key. [06-Mar-25 10:19 AM] evany.#0000 I will also add to what hal said, you only need a single recurring order the reason you can put in multiple options with recurring orders is so you can balance whats being made and how much of it. e.g with actual electronics bases {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1347242239667208252/image.png?ex=6814f09c&is=68139f1c&hm=0abe305a66eae3f4c1e22f8e0c8c498aefb93fec98f686caad1a74186e5d4ef1& [06-Mar-25 10:20 AM] evany.#0000 if i needed more than 8% search algorithms i'd put a second one into the 'run' which would probably put it at 13% [06-Mar-25 10:22 AM] jab.sh#0000 bro's over here manufacturing search algorithms while I'm just making food 😂 [06-Mar-25 10:22 AM] laaxus#0000 Pinned a message. [06-Mar-25 10:23 AM] laaxus#0000 Insta-meal have been pretty profitable recently, no shame in that 🙂 [06-Mar-25 10:24 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Hey looking to re lay out my base on Phobos: 300k - 252,048.80 + starting materials 2 x HB2 2 x EDM Producing SCN with an ROI of 12.37 days and high trade volume making it a profitable choice to maneuver into [06-Mar-25 10:24 AM] evany.#0000 SCN is a great choice as it's a pop consumable and thus there will always be demand [06-Mar-25 10:24 AM] jab.sh#0000 well when you sell it for $1500 😂 [06-Mar-25 10:24 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Yes it’s highly profitable also electronics is my specialty [06-Mar-25 10:25 AM] evany.#0000 we are antares, we are all electronics specialty [06-Mar-25 10:25 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Giving me a starting daily profit around $30,542.54 [06-Mar-25 10:25 AM] infinit3kr#0000 20** [06-Mar-25 10:26 AM] infinit3kr#0000 On which I can keep expanding and a great rate from there [06-Mar-25 10:26 AM] laaxus#0000 The grant is about 1M tho [06-Mar-25 10:26 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Focus on one thing now to start and get rid of my 3 BMP that are making peanuts [06-Mar-25 10:26 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Then I can double or triple that [06-Mar-25 10:27 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Triple would be around 750k [06-Mar-25 10:27 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Plus materials [06-Mar-25 10:27 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Then I’d be making over 60k daily profit to start and still 12-13d ROI [06-Mar-25 10:28 AM] infinit3kr#0000 And have liquid for materials fuel and both luxury items which increase profits [06-Mar-25 10:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 make sure to keep ALOT of cash on hand [06-Mar-25 10:29 AM] infinit3kr#0000 That would leave me with about 250k liquid [06-Mar-25 10:29 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Just short of that [06-Mar-25 10:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 when I started out i kept about 400k as cash from the grant, in under a week it was gone [06-Mar-25 10:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 theres so many miniscule costs that add up fast [06-Mar-25 10:29 AM] laaxus#0000 cash love to play hide and seek [06-Mar-25 10:29 AM] infinit3kr#0000 How so if it’s all planned out [06-Mar-25 10:30 AM] laaxus#0000 as long as you sell into bids, no issue [06-Mar-25 10:30 AM] laaxus#0000 but as soon as you want to start selling at ask [06-Mar-25 10:30 AM] infinit3kr#0000 I have that profit calculated for bids [06-Mar-25 10:30 AM] infinit3kr#0000 So anytning more is better [06-Mar-25 10:30 AM] laaxus#0000 capital will be hold into the market [06-Mar-25 10:30 AM] pagy1234#0000 fuel costs is a suprisingly large one if you ship alot, maybe not in your case though, another is any small adjustments you make, "ohh maybe a STO would have been great to add", bam 40k gone [06-Mar-25 10:30 AM] infinit3kr#0000 I’d start with bids until I built enough of a cushion [06-Mar-25 10:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 building up a buffer of consumables is insanely expasive aswell [06-Mar-25 10:31 AM] laaxus#0000 you should sell into bids until you're feeling confident in your situation to sell at ask [06-Mar-25 10:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 if you want 10 day coverage be ready to spend 50k straight up [06-Mar-25 10:32 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Yes I think 250k buffer would be more than enough for me to get everything off the ground profiting [06-Mar-25 10:32 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, I recommend 5-10 days of consummables (I do 45) [06-Mar-25 10:32 AM] laaxus#0000 it's ok @pagy1234 [06-Mar-25 10:33 AM] laaxus#0000 it's by doing mistake that one learn 😄 If he's feeling confident, all the better Our job is pointing potential pitfall [06-Mar-25 10:33 AM] laaxus#0000 I haven't check, so I can't verify [06-Mar-25 10:33 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Yes I get a buffer of consumables and plan trips and fuel accordingly [06-Mar-25 10:33 AM] infinit3kr#0000 I’ve been profitable with the little I have [06-Mar-25 10:33 AM] laaxus#0000 if he's confident it's ok, then it's ok At worst, we help him out [06-Mar-25 10:33 AM] laaxus#0000 btw, please install RPrun {Reactions} 👆 [06-Mar-25 10:34 AM] infinit3kr#0000 And have my buffers and trip plans [06-Mar-25 10:34 AM] evany.#0000 older players will do better at keeping stocks just due to nature of having access to more capital, i remember struggling to keep 72hours worth of consumables on hand as i was probably "two months old" by time i got grant [06-Mar-25 10:34 AM] laaxus#0000 https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/refined-prun-qol-extension-for-prosperous-universe/6760 {Embed} https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/refined-prun-qol-extension-for-prosperous-universe/6760 Refined PrUn - QoL extension for Prosperous Universe Prosperous Universe is a great game, but some missing features and minor annoyances can disrupt the experience. So here be dragons. Refined PrUn started as a fork of PMMG Extended and ended up being an almost complete rewrite of the base extension. The result is better performance and UI responsiveness, as well as new features and QoL improveme... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Z5k59AMgUcho5dHgL99JgyrNY08n7ppZe0WKJsSfRH0/https/com.prosperousuniverse.com/uploads/default/optimized/2X/3/33e87fc763999975fcfc698b6dc6c1a2f6a106bd_2_1024x515.jpeg [06-Mar-25 10:34 AM] infinit3kr#0000 I highly calculate anytning before I do it [06-Mar-25 10:34 AM] infinit3kr#0000 As you seen my spreadsheets also lol [06-Mar-25 10:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah ur spread sheet is insane [06-Mar-25 10:35 AM] evany.#0000 yes, but things change [06-Mar-25 10:35 AM] infinit3kr#0000 I will install that now [06-Mar-25 10:35 AM] laaxus#0000 the qol RPrun gives is a blessing [06-Mar-25 10:35 AM] laaxus#0000 Can't live without it [06-Mar-25 10:35 AM] laaxus#0000 Bless razenpok [06-Mar-25 10:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 XIT BURN is the best comand in the universe [06-Mar-25 10:43 AM] inspirity#0000 my friend said AGP is just propaganda 🤣🙏 [06-Mar-25 10:44 AM] laaxus#0000 the ADI is a reverse pyramid scheme [06-Mar-25 10:49 AM] infinit3kr#0000 so $762,146,40 would get 6 HB2 and 6EDM up and running with a $61,582.63 daily profit based on bid price [06-Mar-25 10:50 AM] infinit3kr#0000 wait i would only need 3 HB@ so $706,141.20 [06-Mar-25 10:50 AM] infinit3kr#0000 leaving just short of 300k liquid [06-Mar-25 10:51 AM] infinit3kr#0000 11.47 day ROI [06-Mar-25 10:53 AM] infinit3kr#0000 I would totally remove my current BMPs I may keep my HB1s and just add in some extractors for SIO [06-Mar-25 10:53 AM] laaxus#0000 honestly, BMP on phobos is not ... great [06-Mar-25 10:53 AM] infinit3kr#0000 yeah it sucks but it got me started [06-Mar-25 10:53 AM] infinit3kr#0000 and was able to get it profitable [06-Mar-25 10:54 AM] infinit3kr#0000 good practice now time to change and grow [06-Mar-25 11:01 AM] infinit3kr#0000 So after much consideration that will be my plan to move forward with. [06-Mar-25 11:28 AM] evany.#0000 are you looking for a grant? [06-Mar-25 11:33 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Yes I am [06-Mar-25 12:15 PM] infinit3kr#0000 How would I proceed? [06-Mar-25 12:16 PM] laaxus#0000 Money Comes from willing gifters [06-Mar-25 12:16 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm usually one of them but my cash is low currently [06-Mar-25 12:17 PM] infinit3kr#0000 Ah got it! hah did you just currently expand? [06-Mar-25 12:17 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm investing a lot in projet Corgi {Reactions} 🐶 (2) [06-Mar-25 12:17 PM] laaxus#0000 #corgi-information [06-Mar-25 12:17 PM] realharvey#0000 has the plan already been reviewed? [06-Mar-25 12:18 PM] laaxus#0000 I did not checked the plan personnaly [06-Mar-25 12:19 PM] infinit3kr#0000 Do you want me to lay out the plan to you? [06-Mar-25 12:19 PM] laaxus#0000 I have like 50M into project corgi [06-Mar-25 12:20 PM] realharvey#0000 I am to busy for analysis currently. But I wanted to ping someone that might have more cash flush [06-Mar-25 12:20 PM] laaxus#0000 Maybe 40, have to check [06-Mar-25 12:20 PM] realharvey#0000 my Money is all down in the HCB project [06-Mar-25 12:20 PM] realharvey#0000 still not back to solid cashflow [06-Mar-25 12:22 PM] infinit3kr#0000 1M would get me 6 profitable EDMs running with a $61,582.63 Daily profit and 11.47 day ROI prodicing SCN and this profit is based on bid price. [06-Mar-25 12:23 PM] infinit3kr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1347273375092969492/image.png?ex=68150d9b&is=6813bc1b&hm=ec5a1f109012b4437b845b43dc53d91d3c3ce1ff2febc776d8df0132e28bf9ba& [06-Mar-25 12:23 PM] infinit3kr#0000 market data is also changing trends off a support line which shows a good indication also [06-Mar-25 12:24 PM] infinit3kr#0000 It is a solid opportunity which would get me profitable and in a position to grow and expand [06-Mar-25 12:25 PM] infinit3kr#0000 With the amount I would be producing also would not be enough at this point to over saturate the market and cause a decline in bid prices [06-Mar-25 12:26 PM] infinit3kr#0000 Setup cost would be $706,141.20 leaving just under 300k liquid for a consumable buffer, fuel costs, and anything unexpected. [06-Mar-25 12:38 PM] jcheung#0000 Sure you've highlighted some short term spikes after someone buys a bunch of upkeep at once, but the long term trend to me appears to be going down [06-Mar-25 12:39 PM] infinit3kr#0000 look at the bear candles they have all broken upwards everything has tested to the support line and even the recent bear candles have not broken it [06-Mar-25 12:40 PM] infinit3kr#0000 there was one test to break the support back a ways but it was not able ot [06-Mar-25 12:40 PM] infinit3kr#0000 and even at this low bid price it is still highly profitable [06-Mar-25 12:40 PM] infinit3kr#0000 which leaves a lot of room for flexability in price [06-Mar-25 12:42 PM] infinit3kr#0000 it looks to be a pretty safe endeavor for me to pursue [06-Mar-25 12:44 PM] jcheung#0000 This at 2k/u? What does it change to if you're down to 1.8k/u? Just out of curiousity [06-Mar-25 12:46 PM] infinit3kr#0000 still 49,581 proft daily [06-Mar-25 12:46 PM] infinit3kr#0000 copmpared to 61 [06-Mar-25 12:46 PM] jcheung#0000 Hmmm. SCN might be a good export to HRT [06-Mar-25 12:46 PM] infinit3kr#0000 and this is the bottom of bid prices .. any more is over and above this [06-Mar-25 12:47 PM] infinit3kr#0000 i have been playing it safe [06-Mar-25 12:47 PM] jcheung#0000 You mean top of bid? [06-Mar-25 12:47 PM] jcheung#0000 Bottom of bid is 333/u [06-Mar-25 12:47 PM] infinit3kr#0000 top but lower than any ask prices [06-Mar-25 12:47 PM] infinit3kr#0000 and higher prices at other CX [06-Mar-25 12:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Till what price point do you see your base being profitable? [06-Mar-25 12:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Also I’m a scientist so I know shit about candles and economics [06-Mar-25 12:51 PM] jcheung#0000 I'm pretty sure their "support line" is just gaia exporting to other markets actually 🤔 [06-Mar-25 12:52 PM] infinit3kr#0000 around 1000 per unit [06-Mar-25 12:52 PM] infinit3kr#0000 still profitable just over $1300 a day [06-Mar-25 12:52 PM] infinit3kr#0000 so that would be where it would pretty muxh 0 out [06-Mar-25 12:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well Gaia supplies all the EDC IDC bases on Malahat [06-Mar-25 12:53 PM] infinit3kr#0000 and by the time that .. if it ever .. hit i would have enough of a buffer to be able to reconfigure a base into something profitable again [06-Mar-25 12:54 PM] jcheung#0000 You should think about reconfiguring below 20k/d profit {Reactions} 👆 [06-Mar-25 12:54 PM] jcheung#0000 Even that is low [06-Mar-25 12:55 PM] infinit3kr#0000 Right now starting out I have been able to run some BMPs ... making peanuts but with the small amount I have had and the short time in doing so I have been able to profit and buffer around 100k plus a consumable buffer [06-Mar-25 12:56 PM] jcheung#0000 What's the rest of the base gonna be [06-Mar-25 12:56 PM] infinit3kr#0000 I was planning SIO extractors [06-Mar-25 12:56 PM] infinit3kr#0000 safe and profitable [06-Mar-25 12:56 PM] jcheung#0000 What planet? [06-Mar-25 12:57 PM] infinit3kr#0000 Phobos [06-Mar-25 12:57 PM] infinit3kr#0000 I could do farming with fertility but with running electronics i decided SIO as it can generate profit while focusing on the electornics side [06-Mar-25 12:58 PM] infinit3kr#0000 I could run 6 extractos with the habitats i have now [06-Mar-25 12:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so you are going to run just 2 EDM with some EXT? [06-Mar-25 12:59 PM] infinit3kr#0000 6 EDM [06-Mar-25 01:00 PM] infinit3kr#0000 3 HB2 [06-Mar-25 01:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 making about 55 or so SCN a day? [06-Mar-25 01:00 PM] infinit3kr#0000 I currently have 3 HB1 and could run dorry 5 EXT off it not 6 [06-Mar-25 01:00 PM] infinit3kr#0000 60 a day [06-Mar-25 01:00 PM] infinit3kr#0000 SCN [06-Mar-25 01:01 PM] infinit3kr#0000 120K profit - 58,416.87 expenses [06-Mar-25 01:02 PM] infinit3kr#0000 resulting in 61,582.63 /d [06-Mar-25 01:02 PM] realharvey#0000 120k profit is the wrong terminology. its 120K Revenue 58k expenses and 61k profit [06-Mar-25 01:02 PM] jcheung#0000 Is this including SIO or not [06-Mar-25 01:02 PM] infinit3kr#0000 revenue [06-Mar-25 01:02 PM] infinit3kr#0000 no [06-Mar-25 01:02 PM] infinit3kr#0000 this is purely the SCN [06-Mar-25 01:03 PM] infinit3kr#0000 this provides 11-12 day ROI on construction costs the SIO would then be as follows [06-Mar-25 01:03 PM] laaxus#0000 If you had a full 500 area base, what'd be your profit ? {Reactions} 👆 [06-Mar-25 01:04 PM] laaxus#0000 We usually talk about profit per permit, or roi [06-Mar-25 01:04 PM] infinit3kr#0000 I was basing off of what i could do with 1m [06-Mar-25 01:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so 60 a day would put you at second for production of SCN in the universe [06-Mar-25 01:04 PM] realharvey#0000 Bases are evalued at their ROI/Profit when fully build [06-Mar-25 01:05 PM] realharvey#0000 If you plan a base that would be over 1 mil, thats no issue. You start with a smaller percentage of the base and build it up with the profits [06-Mar-25 01:05 PM] jcheung#0000 Looking at it a bit more, they're right, it'll take a while for SCN to dip low enough to not make it worthwhile, unless someone else drops out early and keeps it up [06-Mar-25 01:06 PM] laaxus#0000 Can you easily produce something else if the scn Price becomes too low ? [06-Mar-25 01:06 PM] jcheung#0000 At least until CU prices go to the moon again [06-Mar-25 01:06 PM] jcheung#0000 In edms? Not particularly [06-Mar-25 01:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 With what I can see with 6 HB2 12 EDM 1 STO ~317k rev 188k profit 3.78 day ROI [06-Mar-25 01:07 PM] jcheung#0000 What about 6 edm 5 ext on sio [06-Mar-25 01:07 PM] laaxus#0000 Btw, if you overproduce, you Can easily export with yulli https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1209891299528802325 [06-Mar-25 01:07 PM] infinit3kr#0000 8 EDM / 5 EXT would fill my base [06-Mar-25 01:08 PM] infinit3kr#0000 bringing me to 468 area used [06-Mar-25 01:08 PM] laaxus#0000 Anyway, the point of the AGP is forcing you to make the best base [06-Mar-25 01:08 PM] laaxus#0000 But to make you avoid Bad one [06-Mar-25 01:08 PM] infinit3kr#0000 yes its great [06-Mar-25 01:08 PM] infinit3kr#0000 ive had to thank a lot i actually appreciate it [06-Mar-25 01:08 PM] infinit3kr#0000 think [06-Mar-25 01:08 PM] jcheung#0000 Not particularly [06-Mar-25 01:08 PM] infinit3kr#0000 so thank you [06-Mar-25 01:09 PM] laaxus#0000 I think your base is good enough, tho the one you must convince is the one with the money [06-Mar-25 01:09 PM] infinit3kr#0000 thats always what it comes down to xD [06-Mar-25 01:09 PM] jcheung#0000 They've demonstrated the ability to make a base, and defended their reasoning. The next part is finding someone with funds to support that base [06-Mar-25 01:09 PM] laaxus#0000 You'll either make a ton of profit or learn a lot, win win [06-Mar-25 01:09 PM] jcheung#0000 There really is no "best" base {Reactions} 👆 [06-Mar-25 01:09 PM] infinit3kr#0000 I will make profit regardless [06-Mar-25 01:09 PM] infinit3kr#0000 i will make sure of it [06-Mar-25 01:10 PM] infinit3kr#0000 im determined and i dont make decisions lightly [06-Mar-25 01:10 PM] laaxus#0000 I would argue among the best base is high roi low shipping Aka FRM on harmonia is the best for a beginner [06-Mar-25 01:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so i just put in 8 EDM 5 EXT 2 STO shows 109k profit 5.33 d ROI this is with no experts [06-Mar-25 01:11 PM] jcheung#0000 Did you know that if every single beginner started FRMs on harmonia, that would rapidly not become the "best"? [06-Mar-25 01:11 PM] realharvey#0000 or SME on Deimos, or BMP on Heph :D [06-Mar-25 01:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean I have the cash to do it if I wanted to [06-Mar-25 01:11 PM] laaxus#0000 It'd still be for a while 😄 [06-Mar-25 01:12 PM] infinit3kr#0000 Now to see who has faith in me to make this work [06-Mar-25 01:12 PM] laaxus#0000 Even if her Price goes down, they Can make rat [06-Mar-25 01:12 PM] laaxus#0000 FRM on harmonia will Never ever be bad [06-Mar-25 01:12 PM] laaxus#0000 And right now, it's OP lol [06-Mar-25 01:12 PM] jcheung#0000 Then when it comes flooding in, you have a bunch of newbies stuck with FRMs and HER will be 10/u [06-Mar-25 01:13 PM] laaxus#0000 Again, they Can just produce rat [06-Mar-25 01:13 PM] laaxus#0000 And rat will sell [06-Mar-25 01:14 PM] realharvey#0000 even DW is still super profitable, and its been a while [06-Mar-25 01:15 PM] jcheung#0000 Mmm, yes, FPs on harmonia 😁 [06-Mar-25 01:15 PM] jcheung#0000 Okay, got off topic [06-Mar-25 01:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 is your IGN InfiniteKr? I don't see anything for Infinit3Kr [06-Mar-25 01:17 PM] infinit3kr#0000 yes INFINITEKR [06-Mar-25 01:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ok pls change your nickname here [06-Mar-25 01:17 PM] infinit3kr#0000 im used to infint3kr with everything sorry [06-Mar-25 01:17 PM] realharvey#0000 please change your name here accordingly. Otherwise its difficult to find you In game [06-Mar-25 01:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 just so it is IGN [06-Mar-25 01:18 PM] infinit3kr#0000 There it must be connected from my Steam account to use infinitekr lol {Reactions} DancieBoi [06-Mar-25 01:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ok grant sent [06-Mar-25 01:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 enjoy [06-Mar-25 01:19 PM] infinit3kr#0000 Thank you i will update you on my journey and progress! [06-Mar-25 01:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 cheers [06-Mar-25 01:19 PM] infinit3kr#0000 And hopefully I will be able to do the same for someone in the future [06-Mar-25 01:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you can terminate the CONT now [06-Mar-25 01:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I don't need 1 JUI on Halcyon [06-Mar-25 01:20 PM] infinit3kr#0000 hah im sending you one anyone one day when you least expect it [06-Mar-25 01:23 PM] jcheung#0000 Don't even think about it for at least 6 months [06-Mar-25 01:23 PM] jcheung#0000 Invest in yourself first [06-Mar-25 01:23 PM] laaxus#0000 This [06-Mar-25 01:24 PM] laaxus#0000 Nothing make us more happy than you making a New base [06-Mar-25 01:24 PM] infinit3kr#0000 I forsure will, let me get this up and running according to plan and work on future expansion plans [06-Mar-25 01:24 PM] jcheung#0000 Also i forgot to ask you [06-Mar-25 01:24 PM] infinit3kr#0000 This actually gives me something to do and work on im excited lol [06-Mar-25 01:24 PM] jcheung#0000 What's the cost of building materials for those 6 edms [06-Mar-25 01:25 PM] jcheung#0000 Make sure you keep enough money in reserve for feedstock and "oops i screwed up" [06-Mar-25 01:25 PM] infinit3kr#0000 yeah ill have just under 400k liquid [06-Mar-25 01:25 PM] infinit3kr#0000 i have about 100k from my personal funds i have made so far [06-Mar-25 01:25 PM] infinit3kr#0000 building costs around 706k [06-Mar-25 01:25 PM] infinit3kr#0000 leaving me with just shy of 400k liquid [06-Mar-25 01:26 PM] infinit3kr#0000 for consumables and oops i screwed up [06-Mar-25 01:26 PM] infinit3kr#0000 lol [06-Mar-25 01:26 PM] jcheung#0000 Cool. What does 10 days worth of CU and PE set you back? [06-Mar-25 01:27 PM] infinit3kr#0000 also I could keep 1 or 2 of my material plants i have running that are making PE right now [06-Mar-25 01:27 PM] infinit3kr#0000 since they are already set up and runniong [06-Mar-25 01:27 PM] infinit3kr#0000 running [06-Mar-25 01:28 PM] infinit3kr#0000 would have to see if the savings there is more profitable than an EXT [06-Mar-25 01:28 PM] jcheung#0000 What do they make now? [06-Mar-25 01:28 PM] infinit3kr#0000 Im currently running 3 BMP making PE [06-Mar-25 01:29 PM] infinit3kr#0000 they make [06-Mar-25 01:29 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh. Well, yeah you should use that then lmao [06-Mar-25 01:29 PM] infinit3kr#0000 but here is the thing ... [06-Mar-25 01:29 PM] infinit3kr#0000 they only save about $1 per unit [06-Mar-25 01:29 PM] infinit3kr#0000 which is less than i would be making replacing it with an EXT [06-Mar-25 01:30 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh. You have BMPs kn site? Yeah. Replace 'em [06-Mar-25 01:30 PM] infinit3kr#0000 yes [06-Mar-25 01:32 PM] infinit3kr#0000 360k would give 10 days buffer of consumables [06-Mar-25 01:36 PM] infinit3kr#0000 which i think i will start with 2 runs and gradually add more on each time until my buffer is built up so i dont drop all my liquid right off the get go [06-Mar-25 02:03 PM] infinit3kr#0000 Here we go .. [06-Mar-25 02:03 PM] infinit3kr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1347298582222340249/image.png?ex=68147c55&is=68132ad5&hm=275100f02825edf1114b43944d6945074ec6fb4603f7a29aefc3636620acd35c& [06-Mar-25 02:04 PM] jcheung#0000 Shoulda hit up internal offers, some people have some deep discounts [06-Mar-25 02:04 PM] jcheung#0000 Forgot to tell you 😦 [06-Mar-25 02:05 PM] infinit3kr#0000 its ok at this point if i can get this up and running immediatly the profits will start coming {Reactions} 👍 [06-Mar-25 02:05 PM] infinit3kr#0000 its a short flight to my planet [06-Mar-25 02:05 PM] jcheung#0000 Fair [06-Mar-25 02:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean I had the stuff [06-Mar-25 02:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And could’ve filled immediately [06-Mar-25 02:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol [06-Mar-25 02:06 PM] infinit3kr#0000 well i will have to set up more soon this is only for the 6 ill be setting up 2 more and the EXT [06-Mar-25 02:06 PM] jcheung#0000 The age old "here, have your own money back" [06-Mar-25 02:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol [06-Mar-25 02:06 PM] infinit3kr#0000 Lol i mean if i would have known I would have done that [06-Mar-25 02:06 PM] infinit3kr#0000 Would have benefitted us both lol [06-Mar-25 02:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It’s on I’m not bothered [06-Mar-25 02:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It benefits me next to nothing [06-Mar-25 02:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It would be better for me to sell to the CX [06-Mar-25 02:07 PM] infinit3kr#0000 Youre just waiting for your 1 JUI [06-Mar-25 02:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [06-Mar-25 02:17 PM] jcheung#0000 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qL6UlySo3-M&start=43 {Embed} Zero Dark Actual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL6UlySo3-M&start=43 The Expanse - Canterbury FLIP & BURN The flip and burn manoeuvre by the Ice Freighter ' The Canterbury ' on The Expanse #TheExpanse #SaveTheExpanse from the first episode! Talk about starting out strong! A ship travelling towards a destination with it's main thrusters at the rear (think space rockets, and all the other space vehicles ever made, ever), to change direction must f... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Vwt2fw9UAFFOXPEYPqp119cm3Rn0RddG9ZxKjCV0VuI/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/qL6UlySo3-M/sddefault.jpg {Reactions} 🤩 [06-Mar-25 02:20 PM] infinit3kr#0000 ha the expanse i wateched that quite a while ago [06-Mar-25 05:10 PM] infinit3kr#0000 8 minutes until ships land, here we go. [06-Mar-25 06:25 PM] infinit3kr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1347364626593087549/image.png?ex=6814b9d7&is=68136857&hm=5c823f51326a2776aedbce48cbcb384988f54904c77831fa973662c3953cdd2d& [07-Mar-25 02:20 AM] keremcozin#0000 My Harmonia base will be established after 8-9 hours o7 [07-Mar-25 02:21 AM] keremcozin#0000 I'll build half the stuctures of the plan, but I also stocked consumables including DDT enough for 20 days [07-Mar-25 02:23 AM] garoo2004#0000 did you fly all the way to harmonia from promitor? [07-Mar-25 03:59 PM] inspirity#0000 home after a week 🔥 [07-Mar-25 04:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol welcome back how’s the empire? [07-Mar-25 04:02 PM] inspirity#0000 i think it speaks for itself {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1347690959709933678/image.png?ex=68149843&is=681346c3&hm=ab69dce7f50960a82c1ca719b3663dbc3ac5a43587915cd6b6aa99f3986027f9& {Reactions} 🔥 [07-Mar-25 04:09 PM] jcheung#0000 I mean, you had to translate 😜 [10-Mar-25 10:11 PM] runawayfighter#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/edc1a5a2-d44c-410c-af3b-cc78d849aa8b {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/edc1a5a2-d44c-410c-af3b-cc78d849aa8b PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [10-Mar-25 10:12 PM] runawayfighter#0000 I'd like to use the money to upgrade my production in ANT. [10-Mar-25 10:30 PM] jcheung#0000 phew that's a lot of shipping 😄 [10-Mar-25 10:31 PM] jab.sh#0000 maybe I should turn some of my excess lst into mcg, especially since it's at mm [10-Mar-25 10:32 PM] runawayfighter#0000 Yes it will be. I got a loan and I have some WCBs. I'd have to check it daily. [10-Mar-25 10:36 PM] jcheung#0000 mcg has been pegged for a while [10-Mar-25 10:36 PM] jcheung#0000 i've been holding the bottom at 33/u for a while now [10-Mar-25 10:38 PM] jcheung#0000 roughly speaking this is where i've been trying to bump the bottom line, i think {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1348862661043159134/image.png?ex=6814e6ff&is=6813957f&hm=6ab8a95c3109818015b6c09ebcc6da9feda22639dcdd1d0d7c8b937b68cc449e& [10-Mar-25 10:41 PM] runawayfighter#0000 bump it down. This isnt a business to earn money in I understand but its honest work. theres a lot of demand so id make money I think. From what I see there is more volume than produced. I dont know if I'd agree to keeping the price there. Hmm [10-Mar-25 10:47 PM] jcheung#0000 bump it down? sure, if you can list enough asks to do so, then certainly [10-Mar-25 10:49 PM] runawayfighter#0000 I'm not there yet but thats a nice goal to have for production. [10-Mar-25 10:49 PM] runawayfighter#0000 Your trying to keep it above 33? [10-Mar-25 10:51 PM] jcheung#0000 trying to rais the bottom for any newbies that don't have money to sell into. if the top comes down, that would also serve my purposes [10-Mar-25 10:57 PM] runawayfighter#0000 yeah the candles show someones messing with it. What are they doing? Selling large amounts at 33? is that you [10-Mar-25 10:58 PM] jcheung#0000 no, i'm buying [10-Mar-25 10:58 PM] runawayfighter#0000 Oh. People are listing that low? Hmm... I'd think most people would list higher. Because I think they'd sell at 35.90. I check the price daily and its usually not very much volume available. [10-Mar-25 11:02 PM] jcheung#0000 people were selling at 27 with people buying from the MM [10-Mar-25 11:03 PM] runawayfighter#0000 So they buy it and then sell it at 27 for the new players? [10-Mar-25 11:03 PM] jcheung#0000 no [10-Mar-25 11:03 PM] jcheung#0000 i think you're confused nobody is buying high and selling low [10-Mar-25 11:10 PM] runawayfighter#0000 Oh that just seems like a huge mistake for MCG producers. [10-Mar-25 11:10 PM] runawayfighter#0000 You said the commodity was pegged, so I assume it was some sort of charity. [10-Mar-25 11:11 PM] runawayfighter#0000 The volume from this seems to be too much for anyone to sell anywhere lower than MM. Or maybe 35. [10-Mar-25 11:14 PM] runawayfighter#0000 Looking at volume and seeing the offers daily. I see no one offering significant portions of MCG to satisfy t he demand. I assume most of the buys are being supplied by MM as you said. [10-Mar-25 11:14 PM] jcheung#0000 yes, it's pegged to the MM [10-Mar-25 11:14 PM] jcheung#0000 but sellers that need cash fast are stuck selling low [10-Mar-25 11:15 PM] jcheung#0000 which is like all the new players [10-Mar-25 11:15 PM] runawayfighter#0000 I'd say they're just making a mistake* with their decision making. It will sell. Look at the volume being sold. [10-Mar-25 11:15 PM] jcheung#0000 a lot of people simply don't have the time [10-Mar-25 11:16 PM] jcheung#0000 when you need to load and turn within 30 minutes or you miss production ticks, you dump now and go [10-Mar-25 11:16 PM] runawayfighter#0000 Well a grant would definitely give me the time. I'm hoping to increase production. [10-Mar-25 11:17 PM] runawayfighter#0000 I started the base acouple days ago with a loan from lowstrife. [10-Mar-25 11:17 PM] runawayfighter#0000 But I didn't get enough for the full base. [10-Mar-25 11:18 PM] runawayfighter#0000 is there anything you dont like about the plan? [10-Mar-25 11:20 PM] jcheung#0000 i'd like to suggest you make a little EXO as well [10-Mar-25 11:22 PM] jcheung#0000 it'll reduce your shipping load some, and get you higher profits [10-Mar-25 11:33 PM] runawayfighter#0000 That's a good idea. [10-Mar-25 11:33 PM] runawayfighter#0000 its not MCG though 😦 [10-Mar-25 11:35 PM] runawayfighter#0000 I am supplying my own LST. So I dont know how that affects the equation that prunplanner has. Or what button to hit [10-Mar-25 11:35 PM] jcheung#0000 no, but it gives you better margins-you don't have to do a lot of it [10-Mar-25 11:42 PM] runawayfighter#0000 But I didn't spend any money already setting up a base to make the consumables of EXO. I kinda already made an LST base. whoop. [10-Mar-25 11:43 PM] runawayfighter#0000 Maybe I could try making my own OVE. Let me put that into the tool [10-Mar-25 11:48 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/Fi9s.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/fish-gif-7422720 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/oLWzW2iz2_qBOgiMTg2hk9m7Wwas6IB1HCpTNbZFFrU/https/media.tenor.com/c5q6WLf6h8MAAAAe/fish.png [11-Mar-25 11:21 PM] jerry.9790#0000 Hey, I'm interested in expanding my operations in ANT, with a particular focus on luxury consumables. Currently, I have three bases: Harmonia (RAT and DW), Boucher (H2O), and JS-869c (DDT materials). I would appreciate any suggestions regarding further expansion opportunities, especially those that could be supported by the grant program. {Reactions} 🍉 [11-Mar-25 11:27 PM] jerry.9790#0000 #agp-operations [11-Mar-25 11:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So like DW or KOM? [12-Mar-25 12:14 AM] evany.#0000 if he has DDT he might be chasing FIM too {Reactions} RSZeroShrugIDK [12-Mar-25 12:15 AM] evany.#0000 i suppose he did specify luxury. [12-Mar-25 02:57 AM] jerry.9790#0000 Yeah or Ale too [12-Mar-25 02:59 AM] jerry.9790#0000 If i could find planets nearby for AMM and NS, i may have more options at hand [12-Mar-25 03:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 SE-110 system is perfect for COF (very expensive tho) [12-Mar-25 03:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 SE-110c = H2O , SE-110b = Agri, and SE-110a = FP [12-Mar-25 03:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 Although it is far more profitable to ignore the agri planet and just do dw [12-Mar-25 03:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 KOM could work there I guess? [12-Mar-25 11:21 AM] .urpalhal#0000 KOM needs HER which I think isn’t in HYf {Reactions} 👆 [13-Mar-25 01:32 AM] jerry.9790#0000 The AJ planets have AMM and CLI, which in the long run can be used to make KOM, ALE & WIN [13-Mar-25 01:33 AM] jerry.9790#0000 Lemuria is fertile [13-Mar-25 06:58 AM] jvaler#0000 one of the worst in the game lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1349713223854854195/image.png?ex=6814b365&is=681361e5&hm=dd060ddb4e9d16220137f3c9095dbb67d56f94db50ccc90418f62f535d76e14f& [13-Mar-25 07:45 AM] jerry.9790#0000 Now that changes everything 😄 [13-Mar-25 07:46 AM] jerry.9790#0000 I missed the minus [13-Mar-25 01:30 PM] potaterror#0000 Lemuria is fiiiiiine. [13-Mar-25 01:30 PM] potaterror#0000 If you want a naturally fertile planet in HRT space, options are limited. Also there's a perfectly good FP planet right next door! [13-Mar-25 01:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The minus just means it’s like 86% fertile [13-Mar-25 01:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Which affects your efficiency [13-Mar-25 01:32 PM] archielvahr#0000 Demeter and Harmonia for FRMs / ORCs, Thalassa for HYFs 😉 [13-Mar-25 01:36 PM] potaterror#0000 The governor of Lemuria is top notch though, he's listened to every request I've made. [13-Mar-25 01:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 We’re not bashing Lemuria it’s just not the best fit for FRM and ORC [13-Mar-25 01:36 PM] potaterror#0000 Great place to move if you wanna be near Boucher's water. A++, would recommend. [13-Mar-25 01:36 PM] potaterror#0000 Yeah, that's fair, I wouldn't put an ORC farm there. [13-Mar-25 01:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Also technically not in Antares space so people might not love sponsoring a grant for a plan there [13-Mar-25 01:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So just things to consider and think of when making a plan [13-Mar-25 01:37 PM] potaterror#0000 Fair. It'd have some awkward shipping overhead for a new player, it's a day out from HRT/Boucher, so a solid 2+ from ANT. [13-Mar-25 01:41 PM] potaterror#0000 If you do end up developing plans down in that area Jerry, I may be down to assist with financing. It's not ANT space, but southern HRT is kind of my jam. [13-Mar-25 02:42 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm just salty that they get to be agri CoGC while phobos doesn't {Reactions} 👆 [13-Mar-25 02:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Heh [13-Mar-25 02:43 PM] jvaler#0000 and it's not like antares has a promitor, we should get 3 FRM planets smh [13-Mar-25 02:43 PM] jab.sh#0000 overthrow phobos and change the cogc [13-Mar-25 02:43 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'd vote for you but I'm not on phobos [13-Mar-25 02:43 PM] jvaler#0000 not like ADM controls the CoGC 😔 [13-Mar-25 02:44 PM] jvaler#0000 prun democracy was a mistake [13-Mar-25 02:44 PM] jvaler#0000 dictatorship update plz {Reactions} 🤣 (2) [13-Mar-25 02:44 PM] jab.sh#0000 ah right [13-Mar-25 02:44 PM] jab.sh#0000 it's based on pop right? [13-Mar-25 02:45 PM] jvaler#0000 yup [13-Mar-25 02:45 PM] jvaler#0000 if you wanna max your CoGC influence you go 20 BMP [13-Mar-25 02:45 PM] jvaler#0000 assuming 1 permit [13-Mar-25 02:45 PM] jab.sh#0000 😄 [13-Mar-25 02:45 PM] jab.sh#0000 I might put down a 20 BMP then [13-Mar-25 02:46 PM] jab.sh#0000 just for the greater good [13-Mar-25 02:58 PM] jcheung#0000 Lol [13-Mar-25 02:58 PM] jcheung#0000 That's going to piss off so many people, and I'm all for it {Reactions} 🤣 💯 (2) [13-Mar-25 02:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have 27 FP? [13-Mar-25 02:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 On Phobos [13-Mar-25 02:59 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah, electronics on phobos? bleh {Reactions} DancieBoi [13-Mar-25 02:59 PM] jab.sh#0000 nobody wants that [13-Mar-25 02:59 PM] jab.sh#0000 I need to put a CM on Deimos too for when a spot opens 😄 [13-Mar-25 02:59 PM] jab.sh#0000 just a few shenanigans [13-Mar-25 03:00 PM] igfloz#0000 Way to kill PSK ops guys, most of what I do on Phobos is for PSK {Reactions} 🤣 [13-Mar-25 03:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol so is what Evayoo doing [13-Mar-25 04:11 PM] potaterror#0000 Only need like half a dozen BMP bases to tilt the scales. Heh, maybe I'll make one. [13-Mar-25 04:37 PM] tanda#0000 Dudes. I just got an electronics base there. It hasn't even gotten full pop yet {Reactions} 🤣 (2) [13-Mar-25 04:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol I mean I am thinking about doing drone stuff on Phobos here soon [13-Mar-25 04:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So I guess I shouldn’t shoot myself in the foot lolol [13-Mar-25 04:48 PM] igfloz#0000 I don't mind shooting myself in the foot. What I Fkin hate is when someone else shoots themselves in my foot ! {Reactions} DancieBoi (2) 🤣 🦶 [13-Mar-25 04:48 PM] igfloz#0000 😄 [14-Mar-25 08:14 AM] realharvey#0000 Phobos is funding other infrastructure projects in Antares. I dont think we should make those people angry [14-Mar-25 08:36 AM] sidepipe#0000 I make MHP on Phobos - please don’t shoot me in the foot 😭 [14-Mar-25 10:51 AM] jerry.9790#0000 would the COGC boost offset that ? [14-Mar-25 11:54 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Depends on what you mean by offset. [14-Mar-25 06:52 PM] jerry.9790#0000 I mean the lack of efficiency due to fertility, would that be covered by the agri boost from COGC? [14-Mar-25 07:03 PM] jcheung#0000 to a degree, if your alternative was a planet with no cogc, yeah [14-Mar-25 07:03 PM] jcheung#0000 what's the other options you'rel ooking at [14-Mar-25 07:03 PM] jcheung#0000 so we can make an educated comparison [14-Mar-25 07:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Kinda, it’s not going to be as good as planets like say Harmonia or Promitor but better than say Deimos or Phobos [14-Mar-25 07:47 PM] jerry.9790#0000 For agri base, not sure that area has any other options, than boucher. [14-Mar-25 07:47 PM] jerry.9790#0000 Or i could look into some other industries [14-Mar-25 09:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 boucher is better for H2O really than agri {Reactions} 💯 [14-Mar-25 09:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 if you are really set on doing agri in that area then by all means :RSZeroShrugIDK: [14-Mar-25 09:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 if using fertility is what you want to do (FRM ORC) I say go for it [14-Mar-25 09:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you seem to be in that area ish [14-Mar-25 09:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Personally I would say Demeter is better [14-Mar-25 09:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but thats cause its closer to AI1, more fertile, and also AGRI CoGC [14-Mar-25 09:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Demeter is 99.57% fertile vs Lemuria at 85.09% [14-Mar-25 09:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 demeter would give you this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1350298318877757540/image.png?ex=6814da0e&is=6813888e&hm=aac79b677dc77f97850c8a1c2a34724b0cd8c41fdd07b9a244c969c4646ed2bb& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1350298319146057758/Screenshot_2025-03-14_194237.png?ex=6814da0e&is=6813888e&hm=6d04e94289465a78f5a695aa124cfcc008607a8a632e9cd0ef89c3efdce1ce15& [14-Mar-25 09:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 where lemuria would give you {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1350298428034388028/image.png?ex=6814da28&is=681388a8&hm=98bb9f3757fd3dcb3a36edc03df4ee3d6aae50300ae61c27248f6e1342d9f05b& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1350298428491563059/Screenshot_2025-03-14_194309.png?ex=6814da28&is=681388a8&hm=48f299bb70c84d67823d28da0e9ea741d353ac388b26b2ce6233c7c3d43fc415& [14-Mar-25 09:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and by no means this is me saying don't do this, it is just something you need to consider as you build up your bases and empire [15-Mar-25 12:15 AM] jerry.9790#0000 got it [15-Mar-25 08:55 AM] klick_i#0000 Hello, I have slowly collected 1.5 million AIC with my first base (https://prunplanner.org/shared/74667525-e683-4358-8ac1-57ee6e451417). When would you recommend starting another base and in which industry? I've tried to get an overview but just can't get it right. Thanks for your advice 🙂 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/74667525-e683-4358-8ac1-57ee6e451417). PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [15-Mar-25 09:23 AM] marat_sh#0000 Depends what do you want to do in this game. Base looks fine. You can have 5 experts max for category and 6 experts total. [15-Mar-25 09:25 AM] marat_sh#0000 Look into industries and see what you find interesting. Most people make bases of what is profitable and inputs for them [15-Mar-25 09:27 AM] marat_sh#0000 Metallurgy will lead into construction and ship building. Food industry is always in demand so you can scale infinitely. Chemistry needed almost everywhere and in large quantities. Electronics and manufacturing is a bit of a hit or miss, you get into it if you need something specific from them [15-Mar-25 11:12 AM] jcheung#0000 An option could be to expand into construction to use some of your AL to produce higher tier goods. Since you've already gotten a grant, mind if this is moved to one of the more general discussion channels? #associate-planning should work [20-Mar-25 02:42 PM] finestone#0000 @archielvahr I think we should add a 3rd channel to AGP for Grant requests only and make this channel for discussions. {Reactions} 👍 [20-Mar-25 02:57 PM] jcheung#0000 Actually. Could slowmode this channel and make people create threads [20-Mar-25 02:58 PM] jcheung#0000 Make a post about what your goals are, then thread off of that [20-Mar-25 02:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 or a threads only channel [20-Mar-25 02:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 or a forum channel [20-Mar-25 02:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 lots of options [20-Mar-25 03:00 PM] finestone#0000 I dont mind the discussion in here at all. If anything i want to see it so they can come up with a good starting plan and learn from others. I just think the actual Requests get buried sometimes and would be nice to be able to check a channel to see if thier are any pending requests [20-Mar-25 03:01 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah I'm not sure what is best. I like how grant requests turn into discussions, and I think the new players learn a lot that way. I think requiring a plan is great and the discussions are basically the way to hook them into the community. Otherwise it is tough for someone new to engage with an established group. {Reactions} 👆 (2) [20-Mar-25 03:01 PM] archielvahr#0000 That maybe also could be addressed somehow with the grant sheet [20-Mar-25 03:02 PM] archielvahr#0000 since it has a request side vs. a fulfilled side. [20-Mar-25 03:02 PM] archielvahr#0000 I know what you mean though, cause I worry someone just got missed after posting something [20-Mar-25 03:02 PM] jab.sh#0000 you could even formalize it with a bot or something but that might be a little much 😄 [20-Mar-25 03:03 PM] archielvahr#0000 The bot could add them to the sheet 🤩 [20-Mar-25 03:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 indeed [20-Mar-25 07:45 PM] spinydeath#0000 Hello, I created a plan to move to ATI https://prunplanner.org/shared/d1bb01fd-87a6-4c62-8be3-cdbb01ac0b8a I was hoping to get some advice and to apply for the AGP. Thank you for the consideration {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/d1bb01fd-87a6-4c62-8be3-cdbb01ac0b8a PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [20-Mar-25 08:18 PM] spinydeath#0000 I adjusted the plan to make it more efficient ( Less over production of H2O ) and added the Lux 1,2 in to it [20-Mar-25 08:21 PM] potaterror#0000 Shouldn't be too hard to get funding for a Harmonia farm bas.e [20-Mar-25 08:23 PM] spinydeath#0000 It will be my first time in Antares ( in Hortus right now ) so i had to ask for help find a good production plan and Tanda explained it all to me so i just put in the numbers for a starter base just to get it going [20-Mar-25 08:24 PM] jcheung#0000 heh. you have h2o 5 stack nice and consolidated but HER stack is all split 😂 [20-Mar-25 08:24 PM] jcheung#0000 unless you're really desperate for it, i would replace the RIG with another FRM [20-Mar-25 08:25 PM] spinydeath#0000 It takes so long to make so i split it so i make 5 in the same amount of time it takes to make one [20-Mar-25 08:25 PM] spinydeath#0000 Should i just buy the H2O [20-Mar-25 08:25 PM] jcheung#0000 generally? yeah [20-Mar-25 08:25 PM] potaterror#0000 Wait, where are you in HRT space? [20-Mar-25 08:26 PM] spinydeath#0000 Im based on promitor [20-Mar-25 08:26 PM] potaterror#0000 TBQH I wouldn't give up Prom. [20-Mar-25 08:26 PM] jcheung#0000 also why not plan for a full base? [20-Mar-25 08:27 PM] spinydeath#0000 I dont know the max i could go with the grant and still have money for operating cost [20-Mar-25 08:27 PM] jcheung#0000 design the base as a full base [20-Mar-25 08:27 PM] spinydeath#0000 Im new to prun [20-Mar-25 08:27 PM] jcheung#0000 build in parts [20-Mar-25 08:27 PM] spinydeath#0000 Gotcha [20-Mar-25 08:27 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah. so the reason you want to design as a full 500 area base, is because based on your choices your infrastructure may look different [20-Mar-25 08:28 PM] spinydeath#0000 should i just max out on farms and buy all the other stuff [20-Mar-25 08:28 PM] jcheung#0000 if you only design half your base and build that, when you go for the other half (not with FRMs though) you might have to break down half your housing to eek out another 4 area [20-Mar-25 08:28 PM] jcheung#0000 honestly, yeah. the h2o import is so small [20-Mar-25 08:29 PM] jcheung#0000 for a full 13 FRM 5 expert you're looking at like... 40 h2o a day or something [20-Mar-25 08:30 PM] potaterror#0000 Also, before you settle in to a build plan, are you looking to be part of larger cooperatives/syndicates, or ultimately wanting to be self-contained? [20-Mar-25 08:31 PM] spinydeath#0000 I was looking to go at it alone at first [20-Mar-25 08:32 PM] spinydeath#0000 I dont know much about the coop/syn gameplay [20-Mar-25 08:32 PM] potaterror#0000 Fair enough. Well, it's hard to really lose with a FRM base. Got plenty of ways to pivot. [20-Mar-25 08:33 PM] spinydeath#0000 I updated the save with 13 farm and 7 HB1 [20-Mar-25 08:34 PM] spinydeath#0000 I dont know how much i should produce per order thought [20-Mar-25 08:34 PM] jcheung#0000 i recommend filling out the last little bit with a STO since you can't fit anything else [20-Mar-25 08:34 PM] spinydeath#0000 I have it set to one just so i can have them complete all at once [20-Mar-25 08:34 PM] spinydeath#0000 Okay [20-Mar-25 08:35 PM] spinydeath#0000 I added 1 STOP [20-Mar-25 08:35 PM] spinydeath#0000 STO [20-Mar-25 08:35 PM] jcheung#0000 it doesn't matter. the numbers are only for ratios [20-Mar-25 08:35 PM] spinydeath#0000 Should i max them out [20-Mar-25 08:35 PM] jcheung#0000 since you're doing pure HER, you only need 1 HER [20-Mar-25 08:35 PM] spinydeath#0000 okay cool [20-Mar-25 08:35 PM] jcheung#0000 since you have PRO, 1 HER on recurring is fine [20-Mar-25 08:36 PM] jcheung#0000 if you didn't have PRO, i would say go for a larger amount [20-Mar-25 08:36 PM] spinydeath#0000 Does basic let you have recurring. Im still going to pay for pro just curious [20-Mar-25 08:36 PM] jcheung#0000 no [20-Mar-25 08:36 PM] jcheung#0000 which is dumb [20-Mar-25 08:36 PM] jcheung#0000 but no [20-Mar-25 08:37 PM] jcheung#0000 for free/basic i would stagger it a little, set it up so that roughly once a day one FRM finishes something [20-Mar-25 08:38 PM] spinydeath#0000 Thats how i have my water production set up [20-Mar-25 08:38 PM] jcheung#0000 so intial to stagger, then batches of roughly 10ish [20-Mar-25 08:38 PM] jcheung#0000 less of a concern with HER really, more of a concern with stuff that only takes a couple hours [20-Mar-25 08:39 PM] spinydeath#0000 With the plan now is it good or should i mess with it some more [20-Mar-25 08:43 PM] jcheung#0000 this is the same as what you have btw {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1352457661941289034/image.png?ex=6814cc1a&is=68137a9a&hm=fe89794a15dc76e522cbb439b493acd186c768d4a7d06b118d19409bd34f2edf& [20-Mar-25 08:44 PM] spinydeath#0000 ohh so you dont need to put all 13 in [20-Mar-25 08:44 PM] jcheung#0000 ^ [20-Mar-25 08:44 PM] pagy1234#0000 for me I used 600-700k on the base, and all the rest was spent on consumables and materials that I needed to run it [20-Mar-25 08:45 PM] pagy1234#0000 tried to manage my money as best as possible but still went down to below 100k at some points [20-Mar-25 08:45 PM] jcheung#0000 ~~i went below 100 at a few points~~ {Reactions} 😆 [20-Mar-25 08:45 PM] spinydeath#0000 right now it will cost about 550,202 to build [20-Mar-25 08:45 PM] spinydeath#0000 then the rest would be for consumables and materials [20-Mar-25 08:46 PM] pagy1234#0000 thats perfect, and for FRM base, you consumables and materials cost will not be super high [20-Mar-25 08:46 PM] spinydeath#0000 Prun shows me 65189.88 a day [20-Mar-25 08:46 PM] pagy1234#0000 what planet are you on? [20-Mar-25 08:46 PM] spinydeath#0000 but a profit of 153,399.22 a day [20-Mar-25 08:47 PM] jcheung#0000 so what i would consider doing is... buying a few days of supplies, and then sink most of your remaining funds into a DDT ASK order for around 4500/u instead of the 5k/u the asks currently are at [20-Mar-25 08:47 PM] spinydeath#0000 Im on promitor but this is for me to move to Antares harmonia [20-Mar-25 08:47 PM] pagy1234#0000 would it not be better to COLIQ and start fresh on harmonia? just my opinion.. [20-Mar-25 08:47 PM] jcheung#0000 or maybe even 4800 [20-Mar-25 08:47 PM] spinydeath#0000 I have a guy in a different channel who said hes going to send me 200 to start {Reactions} 👍 [20-Mar-25 08:48 PM] jcheung#0000 prom is hard to get a slot on [20-Mar-25 08:48 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah but prom and harmonia are miles apart [20-Mar-25 08:48 PM] jcheung#0000 if you have prom, i would keep it [20-Mar-25 08:48 PM] pagy1234#0000 alr 🤷‍♂️ [20-Mar-25 08:48 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1352458871125446686/image.png?ex=6814cd3a&is=68137bba&hm=441f9c8c1db74604d9c2abbafe668c54d2e57cefc7791940bee42ab3767c8cc9& [20-Mar-25 08:48 PM] jcheung#0000 yo uknow what this means? [20-Mar-25 08:48 PM] pagy1234#0000 dayum😭 [20-Mar-25 08:48 PM] pagy1234#0000 +300 [20-Mar-25 08:48 PM] spinydeath#0000 I can build more [20-Mar-25 08:49 PM] spinydeath#0000 i had to spend a bunch on repair when i came back to the game and i restarted with a different production line [20-Mar-25 08:49 PM] spinydeath#0000 I am currently building it up to max it out again [20-Mar-25 08:50 PM] spinydeath#0000 I use to make rations and i grew everything [20-Mar-25 08:50 PM] spinydeath#0000 wait is that people trying to get on promitor [20-Mar-25 08:51 PM] pagy1234#0000 RATs are great to start, market is super consistent with them aswell lol, never strays too far below MM [20-Mar-25 08:51 PM] spinydeath#0000 For some reason my profit margin was terrible and i wasnt making good moneyh [20-Mar-25 08:52 PM] pagy1234#0000 if you were making your own water on prom then I can see why [20-Mar-25 08:52 PM] jcheung#0000 no, that's available plots on prom. it means that if i want to start a base there, because there are 754 people on the planet, i have to wait for 333 of them to leave or be pruned before i can drop the base [20-Mar-25 08:52 PM] spinydeath#0000 damn [20-Mar-25 08:53 PM] jcheung#0000 have you been introduced to COGC? [20-Mar-25 08:53 PM] spinydeath#0000 im not leaving keeping the water base going [20-Mar-25 08:53 PM] spinydeath#0000 No i have not [20-Mar-25 08:53 PM] jcheung#0000 okay. so harmonia and promitor both have a COGC of agriculture. that means that things like FRM will get a 25% buff to their work speed [20-Mar-25 08:54 PM] spinydeath#0000 ohh so i should be growing stuff here [20-Mar-25 08:54 PM] jcheung#0000 RIGs and FRMs are not agriculture, which means they don't get this bonus [20-Mar-25 08:54 PM] jcheung#0000 now, that being said [20-Mar-25 08:54 PM] jcheung#0000 let me check something because at a glance prom's water doesn't look terrible [20-Mar-25 08:55 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah, promitor's water is around 50% better than harmonia, so in a pinch that's not the worst investment. still better to get it elsewhere though [20-Mar-25 08:55 PM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} 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maybe. it might actually not be a terrible idea to also go slightly further down the chain and process the HER into the next tier of good [20-Mar-25 08:58 PM] spinydeath#0000 So the next level of rations i think right [20-Mar-25 08:58 PM] jcheung#0000 FIM [20-Mar-25 08:59 PM] pagy1234#0000 works on the same base as RAT which makes it very easy to swap too [20-Mar-25 08:59 PM] jcheung#0000 ^ [20-Mar-25 08:59 PM] pagy1234#0000 Im about to do the change myself :D [20-Mar-25 08:59 PM] jcheung#0000 now, a base full of FPs is a bit more shipping intensive than a base of FRMs [20-Mar-25 09:00 PM] jcheung#0000 so keep that in mind if you go that route [20-Mar-25 09:01 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, depending on what you are making you could be going to the base almost every day [20-Mar-25 09:01 PM] pagy1234#0000 especially because you wont have the money to build up a large buffer [20-Mar-25 09:02 PM] spinydeath#0000 would i want to buy the rations and just process them into the FIM with the HER [20-Mar-25 09:03 PM] jcheung#0000 probably [20-Mar-25 09:03 PM] jcheung#0000 also duplicating this base on prom isn't the worst idea, but i would wait until your next repair cycle to do so unless you're making really bad money on prom [20-Mar-25 09:04 PM] spinydeath#0000 I only make about 86,400 before expenses [20-Mar-25 09:04 PM] spinydeath#0000 every couple days [20-Mar-25 09:20 PM] jcheung#0000 well [20-Mar-25 09:20 PM] spinydeath#0000 yeah thanks to you i know why its so bad [20-Mar-25 09:21 PM] jcheung#0000 that's not the worst base, if you had it more fleshed out [20-Mar-25 09:21 PM] spinydeath#0000 Thank you for that btw now i can fix it [20-Mar-25 09:21 PM] spinydeath#0000 Its just hard to get he money to do it [20-Mar-25 09:21 PM] jcheung#0000 the real pain point is that you only have part of the base built so it's slow going [20-Mar-25 09:22 PM] spinydeath#0000 it took me forever to get the 350000 to build what i have now [20-Mar-25 09:22 PM] jcheung#0000 realistically running 9FP 25 RIG 11 HB1 isn't terrible, even without COGC [20-Mar-25 09:23 PM] spinydeath#0000 let me change the plan so i can see [20-Mar-25 09:24 PM] spinydeath#0000 its showing i would be short 10 workers [20-Mar-25 09:24 PM] jcheung#0000 yes [20-Mar-25 09:24 PM] spinydeath#0000 does that just slow production [20-Mar-25 09:24 PM] jcheung#0000 in my opinion, sometimes it's worth eating a small loss [20-Mar-25 09:24 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah, it slows proportionally to how much is missing [20-Mar-25 09:24 PM] jcheung#0000 so it's like [20-Mar-25 09:25 PM] jcheung#0000 a 1% drop but you can fit another entire production building [20-Mar-25 09:25 PM] jcheung#0000 at least for that specific example [20-Mar-25 09:26 PM] spinydeath#0000 okay thats not bad [20-Mar-25 09:26 PM] spinydeath#0000 Any idea how to remove the extra STO i built one when i was doing RATs and i cant figure out how to remove it [20-Mar-25 09:26 PM] spinydeath#0000 its not in my buildings tab [20-Mar-25 09:27 PM] potaterror#0000 You might need to expand the infrastructure section [20-Mar-25 09:27 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah. you can even get rid of some more RIGs if you switch to the PG recipe (but it might be lower profit) [20-Mar-25 09:27 PM] jcheung#0000 should be under infrastructure [20-Mar-25 09:28 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1352468768194035815/image.png?ex=6814d671&is=681384f1&hm=b470a7bd6c85522e7deb9f67af7261c962c6fe03d8dd7d3d7e5a8595543d7443& [20-Mar-25 09:28 PM] jcheung#0000 starts collapsed by default [20-Mar-25 09:29 PM] spinydeath#0000 Mine does not look like that [20-Mar-25 09:29 PM] spinydeath#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1352469200911995080/image.png?ex=6814d6d9&is=68138559&hm=edaef68b261bc9169532938b56165e3123e8a2f74379413cdeea57d74d8c492c& [20-Mar-25 09:29 PM] jcheung#0000 oh. sorry, i have an extension modifying it [20-Mar-25 09:30 PM] jcheung#0000 scroll down to the bottom of infrastructure [20-Mar-25 09:30 PM] jcheung#0000 it'll be right under all the housing [20-Mar-25 09:30 PM] spinydeath#0000 its called a WAR [20-Mar-25 09:30 PM] jcheung#0000 oh [20-Mar-25 09:30 PM] spinydeath#0000 i think i pay for it instead of building it [20-Mar-25 09:30 PM] jcheung#0000 that's not a STO [20-Mar-25 09:31 PM] spinydeath#0000 ohh does it not take up building space then [20-Mar-25 09:31 PM] jcheung#0000 right, doesn't take up building space [20-Mar-25 09:31 PM] jcheung#0000 open up the PLI [20-Mar-25 09:31 PM] jcheung#0000 then go to warehouse [20-Mar-25 09:31 PM] jcheung#0000 you can rent or cancel a unit there [20-Mar-25 09:32 PM] spinydeath#0000 would it be a bad idea just to keep it [20-Mar-25 09:32 PM] jcheung#0000 no, i usually have them on all the planets i'm at and a few i'm not at [20-Mar-25 09:32 PM] jcheung#0000 it clutters up the list a little though [20-Mar-25 09:32 PM] jcheung#0000 but they're generally not too expensive [20-Mar-25 09:33 PM] evany.#0000 I personally go through once a month and delete all that I’m not using [20-Mar-25 09:33 PM] spinydeath#0000 Im just going to keep it then i like separating my building mats and fuel away from production resources [20-Mar-25 09:33 PM] evany.#0000 but yeah generally they are basically cheap as hell [20-Mar-25 09:33 PM] jcheung#0000 they're really nice when you're running a base that's a little tight on storage [20-Mar-25 09:34 PM] jcheung#0000 pain in the ass to swap back and forth sometimes, but great in a pinch [20-Mar-25 09:34 PM] jcheung#0000 the thing with STOs is, they're awesome, but you often have to choose between more income or an easier time with the base [20-Mar-25 09:35 PM] spinydeath#0000 should i keep the STO on the HER base [20-Mar-25 09:36 PM] spinydeath#0000 it will be -15 on pop [20-Mar-25 09:36 PM] jcheung#0000 so for that one [20-Mar-25 09:36 PM] jcheung#0000 it doesn't affect pop at all [20-Mar-25 09:36 PM] jcheung#0000 it takes 15 area [20-Mar-25 09:36 PM] jcheung#0000 but you can't place anything there anyways [20-Mar-25 09:36 PM] spinydeath#0000 i see now i was reading it wrong [20-Mar-25 09:36 PM] jcheung#0000 so slotting the STO later on when you have money is just an ease of life thing [20-Mar-25 09:37 PM] spinydeath#0000 Gotcha just want to say thank you for all the help [21-Mar-25 06:47 PM] batman_project#0000 Would I qualify for the grant? I’d like the mil because I’d probably stock up on supplies for the workers. Also how does it work if I’m the only base on that planet? Why is no one else there for gold? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1352790744116629546/IMG_5504.jpg?ex=6814b0cf&is=68135f4f&hm=32aedc5f81d12d766ad8e83d45ea0c688e6b2f1e166887c35e67a70e6d0db75b& [21-Mar-25 06:48 PM] evany.#0000 if your only base on the planet your gonna need to attract workers and have a lot of other overhead [21-Mar-25 06:49 PM] evany.#0000 youll also be governor or whatever and need to meet other upkeeps, settling a new planet while your part of agp channel is likely probably one of the worst things you can do [21-Mar-25 06:49 PM] igfloz#0000 I don't think this qualifies for a grant personally [21-Mar-25 06:49 PM] evany.#0000 if your established and can wait a few weeks for workers and such its probably not a big deal.. but if your new my friend do not do this. [21-Mar-25 06:52 PM] batman_project#0000 Okay no problem I’ll find something else over there in Antares. And play around with prunplanner [21-Mar-25 06:52 PM] evany.#0000 especially when you could just mine gold on like elon or something. [21-Mar-25 06:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You mean origo [21-Mar-25 06:53 PM] evany.#0000 i love the gumption to settle something new and i dig the paper {Reactions} 👆 (3) red [21-Mar-25 06:55 PM] tanda#0000 Might I recommend ZV-194d instead? [21-Mar-25 07:01 PM] batman_project#0000 That is closer to station probably could smelt it as well. [21-Mar-25 07:01 PM] batman_project#0000 I’ll do all the math and see how I could do it under a million [21-Mar-25 07:10 PM] jcheung#0000 for the future, it helps to also include which buildings you plan to make [21-Mar-25 07:12 PM] jcheung#0000 that way whoever is considering giving grant money has a good idea on what you're building and can have a more informed idea of what you're trying to do [21-Mar-25 07:13 PM] jcheung#0000 from that list at a glance i have no idea if that's a base of EXTs or a combination of EXT and SME or something else (not that i have grant money) [21-Mar-25 07:14 PM] jcheung#0000 don't worry about making the base as a whole under 1m. present the full base design, and then build part of it that's within your budget [21-Mar-25 07:17 PM] tanda#0000 keep in mind that the reason we ask you to lay out what you want to build is to help you steer clear of pitfalls [21-Mar-25 07:17 PM] tanda#0000 I would ask if you're going to do a AU/AUO base, do you think you can haul all that? [21-Mar-25 07:17 PM] tanda#0000 gold is heavy heavy [21-Mar-25 07:19 PM] batman_project#0000 Auo simple simple base [21-Mar-25 07:19 PM] jcheung#0000 gold gets even heavier once refined as well [21-Mar-25 07:23 PM] jcheung#0000 as a side note, the reason why QJ-650c and ZV-194d were being recommended to you was because 1) they're half the jumps to CX 2) their gold yield is significantly better than LS-300e - 92% and 57% respectively (194 is metallurgy though, so it offers benefits to in situ refining) [21-Mar-25 07:24 PM] tanda#0000 and upcycling, as FS for BGO>BGC RGO>HCC are metallurgy as well {Reactions} 👍 [21-Mar-25 07:26 PM] tanda#0000 that said, AUO is the one thing that's almost gone from the CX, lol [21-Mar-25 07:26 PM] tanda#0000 it's at 1500/unit right now, AU is actually cheaper {Reactions} 🤣 [21-Mar-25 07:34 PM] batman_project#0000 okay ill work in a smelter process and see how it goes [22-Mar-25 12:43 AM] archielvahr#0000 Connectors are very easy to move. Like HCC. But it can be tough to do the EXT and SME and FS all in one spot. [22-Mar-25 12:43 AM] archielvahr#0000 Is Fs metallurgy? I forget. Maybe it’s not tough [22-Mar-25 12:44 AM] archielvahr#0000 But yes origo is a good gold planet. {Reactions} 👍 [22-Mar-25 12:55 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah FS is metallurgy [22-Mar-25 12:55 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Fine Smithies [22-Mar-25 03:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 @batman_project so, if I get the right you’re planning on moving to ANT with the grant to setup an gold extraction base? [22-Mar-25 03:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Then welcome on my turf 😏 [22-Mar-25 03:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 How many ships do you have and with which capacity? Because if you think about extraction ore and refining it, you always have to think about shipping, too [22-Mar-25 03:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Do you have any other markets you’re currently getting cash from? The gold market is more or less saturated and slow moving, so there is not much liquidity to gain there [22-Mar-25 03:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Honestly, I have enough AUO overflow, that I could support at least a second SME base, if you really insist on going that path, but I don’t recommend it as one of the first bases [22-Mar-25 03:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, I will work on that eventually [22-Mar-25 03:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 My target (for AU) on the CX is actually 1,200 - but people keep on buying it at that point 😂 [22-Mar-25 06:36 AM] batman_project#0000 i only have two ships. ima be thinkin long and hard ill come at you guys with a fleshed out plan in a couple days [22-Mar-25 02:27 PM] finestone#0000 I would not reccomend gold for an intial base Shipping is too annoying and even selling will be slow. {Reactions} 👍 (2) [22-Mar-25 02:28 PM] laaxus#0000 yes [22-Mar-25 02:28 PM] laaxus#0000 do that once you have 2 full bases at least [22-Mar-25 03:01 PM] spinydeath#0000 I made adjustments to my plan for a HER base in Antares I was hoping you guys could look at it. This will be my second base ( current base is in hortus ). Thank you for the consideration for the grant https://prunplanner.org/shared/d1bb01fd-87a6-4c62-8be3-cdbb01ac0b8a {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/d1bb01fd-87a6-4c62-8be3-cdbb01ac0b8a PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [22-Mar-25 03:03 PM] laaxus#0000 that's exactly what I do personally have on harmonia [22-Mar-25 03:03 PM] laaxus#0000 so yes, it's good imo [22-Mar-25 03:32 PM] razenpok#0000 Replace STO with H2O RIG [22-Mar-25 03:33 PM] spinydeath#0000 Is that so i dont have to buy as much h2o [22-Mar-25 03:33 PM] laaxus#0000 more so that the STO is not necessary [22-Mar-25 03:34 PM] razenpok#0000 Just min-maxing, you don't really need an STO for HER base [22-Mar-25 03:34 PM] spinydeath#0000 ahh gotcha [22-Mar-25 03:34 PM] laaxus#0000 tho it's generally good to have at least one sto [22-Mar-25 03:35 PM] spinydeath#0000 I like it it give me 1000 more in profit a day [22-Mar-25 03:35 PM] spinydeath#0000 thank you {Reactions} 🫡 [22-Mar-25 03:36 PM] jcheung#0000 Huh. I thought RIG was bigger [22-Mar-25 03:36 PM] jcheung#0000 Why did i think the RIG was bigger [22-Mar-25 03:36 PM] jcheung#0000 Sorry bout that spiny [22-Mar-25 03:36 PM] spinydeath#0000 Its all good jcheung [22-Mar-25 03:36 PM] laaxus#0000 because you thought that EXT and RIG were similar buildings [22-Mar-25 03:37 PM] jcheung#0000 That's probably it honestly. Herp derp [22-Mar-25 04:32 PM] tanda#0000 You could get away without a STO on Harmonia and just use the warehouse [22-Mar-25 08:18 PM] spinydeath#0000 Thats a good idea Tanda i will do that [22-Mar-25 08:26 PM] spinydeath#0000 What are my next steps for the grant? Do I just have to wait for someone to pick me up or am i missing something? [22-Mar-25 08:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [22-Mar-25 08:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Someone will just bequeath a grant if they feel like your plan is good [22-Mar-25 08:27 PM] spinydeath#0000 Okay thank you for that i was worried i was missing something [22-Mar-25 08:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just someone to give you money {Reactions} 🤌 [22-Mar-25 08:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 WOAH is that money? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1353179527836078232/image.png?ex=6814c964&is=681377e4&hm=c2dc12793a7507970a1fe09017caedd1085fdce50ed0a29e74e80f8768834a8a& [22-Mar-25 08:32 PM] spinydeath#0000 Thank you kind sir [22-Mar-25 08:33 PM] spinydeath#0000 But quick question what's up with the sedative do i bring it with me and give it to you or something [22-Mar-25 08:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 no [22-Mar-25 08:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 its impossible [22-Mar-25 08:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so just terminate it [22-Mar-25 08:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 get your money [22-Mar-25 08:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 terminate [22-Mar-25 08:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 profit [22-Mar-25 08:34 PM] spinydeath#0000 ahh okay i was really confused i couldnt find it for sale [22-Mar-25 08:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 🙂 [22-Mar-25 08:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i don't need anything so i put janky items on janky planets [22-Mar-25 08:35 PM] spinydeath#0000 lol [22-Mar-25 08:35 PM] spinydeath#0000 going to take me a day on flight to get there [22-Mar-25 08:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 to get to Harmonia? or Halcyon the planet I put for the JUI? [22-Mar-25 08:37 PM] spinydeath#0000 the station to buy the materials to build the base [22-Mar-25 08:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh cool [22-Mar-25 08:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 that's fine [22-Mar-25 08:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 check out #internal-offers some people might sell building materials for cheaper [22-Mar-25 08:38 PM] spinydeath#0000 ohh nice thanks for the tip {Reactions} 🫡 [22-Mar-25 08:49 PM] potaterror#0000 Hal over here getting outed buying drugs in the disguise of giving grants. {Reactions} RSNoodleWiggle [22-Mar-25 08:50 PM] spinydeath#0000 hey its stressful being so rich [22-Mar-25 09:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 just a little NST to take the edge off {Reactions} DancieBoi [22-Mar-25 09:00 PM] potaterror#0000 I use CMKs for those kind of transfers. [22-Mar-25 09:01 PM] potaterror#0000 Good luck ever filling that. [23-Mar-25 01:13 PM] tarrant1113#0000 Looking for someone to help with a plan for the AGP program for a lowly newb. Started mining/smelting looking for next steps and a plan forward [23-Mar-25 01:15 PM] tanda#0000 Alright, first question: What seems interesting to you to do? {Reactions} 👆 [23-Mar-25 02:55 PM] tarrant1113#0000 Besisdes watching the pretty number go up? Well I work from home in tech, love the idea of like text/spreadsheet only kinda Eve esque passive background game on the side all day. I love logistic games with a passion. Mining, building, logistics love it all [23-Mar-25 03:02 PM] tanda#0000 Okay, but in the context of the game: Have you got a goal in mind as far as which industry you want to go into? Or are you just looking for a solid base to start with? [23-Mar-25 03:04 PM] tarrant1113#0000 Solid base to start with, join a corp eventually and adapt to their needs [23-Mar-25 03:11 PM] tanda#0000 Alright, with a Deimos start, you might want to talk to Jab about the DNPC coop. I think It pays out in BFABs, which you can either sell or use to build further industry [23-Mar-25 03:11 PM] tanda#0000 you can pick that up separately from your Grant, too [23-Mar-25 03:11 PM] tanda#0000 so pull a twofer and maybe use the grant to start up a HER base on Harmonia [23-Mar-25 03:12 PM] tanda#0000 That's a really simple base, just need a bit of startup capital for the FRMs and the initial DDT [23-Mar-25 03:12 PM] tanda#0000 It's also expandable, as you can drop an FP base and process your own HER into FIM afterwards [23-Mar-25 03:13 PM] tanda#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1293695249679650931/1346909098305785907 [23-Mar-25 03:13 PM] tanda#0000 link to Jab's post about DNPC [23-Mar-25 03:14 PM] tarrant1113#0000 Nice, that all sounds great [23-Mar-25 03:15 PM] tanda#0000 Have you experimented with Prun planner yet? [23-Mar-25 03:15 PM] tarrant1113#0000 Yup, its great, got that extension too [23-Mar-25 03:15 PM] tanda#0000 cool, go ahead and mock up a FRM base on Harmonia real quick and post that in here [23-Mar-25 03:15 PM] tanda#0000 (it's part of the process) [23-Mar-25 03:32 PM] tarrant1113#0000 Just like lvl 1 kinda base FRM INC AND RIG? [23-Mar-25 03:33 PM] tarrant1113#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/36e1f9da-f878-402e-891e-a71b288328ce {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/36e1f9da-f878-402e-891e-a71b288328ce PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [23-Mar-25 03:46 PM] tanda#0000 More like this: https://prunplanner.org/shared/f7b0e811-d619-416c-baf0-1b8207eb9672 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/f7b0e811-d619-416c-baf0-1b8207eb9672 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [23-Mar-25 03:46 PM] tanda#0000 You want planets to generally focus on one or two things as best you can. RIGs do make sense, but if you're growing HER, you're importing so little it doesn't even matter [23-Mar-25 03:48 PM] tanda#0000 actually if you're willing to not use a STO and just run out of the warehouse, you could fit one RIG on the base, It takes care of a lot of your water usage, but not all of it [23-Mar-25 03:53 PM] tarrant1113#0000 ok i tweaked it, does that look right? [23-Mar-25 03:56 PM] spinydeath#0000 @tarrant1113 You should add another hb1 and 2 more farms to min max {Reactions} 👆 [23-Mar-25 03:58 PM] tanda#0000 Also turn on the luxuries, you'll want those if you're going to drop a whole planet {Reactions} 👍 [23-Mar-25 04:11 PM] tarrant1113#0000 For some reason totally missed that lol [23-Mar-25 04:17 PM] tanda#0000 Alright, looks solid. Looks like you can afford the base and about 10 days worth of ~~luxuries~~ supplies with the 1mil grant, too [23-Mar-25 04:18 PM] tarrant1113#0000 Oooo [23-Mar-25 04:18 PM] tanda#0000 supplies, not luxuries. So that includes the somewhat expensive DDT the base will need [23-Mar-25 04:20 PM] tarrant1113#0000 still nice though [23-Mar-25 04:21 PM] tanda#0000 something important to note since markets can be volatile. In conjunction with an FP base on Norwick, this base can easily provide for producing FIM (if the market stays steady as it is) or pivot to doing RAT or INC (with a base on Nascent) [23-Mar-25 04:22 PM] tanda#0000 so if DDT goes missing from the market or spikes too bad, or if HER drops in a hole, you can just change what you're doing [23-Mar-25 04:22 PM] tarrant1113#0000 oh cool [23-Mar-25 04:23 PM] tanda#0000 I'll send your grant over [23-Mar-25 04:23 PM] tanda#0000 once you have the money, request termination on the contract [23-Mar-25 04:30 PM] tarrant1113#0000 I accepted contract, how does the money come through. Do i need to travel to that planet? [23-Mar-25 04:31 PM] tanda#0000 no, that's so you don't try to fill that request [23-Mar-25 04:32 PM] tanda#0000 you can request termination and the contract will go away at this point. You have the mil [23-Mar-25 04:32 PM] tarrant1113#0000 Sweet, thank you so much for help [23-Mar-25 04:33 PM] tanda#0000 Hey no problem at all! Happy to have you aboard [23-Mar-25 04:33 PM] tanda#0000 Since this is just your first step, keep in touch with ADI and I'm sure great things will happen [25-Mar-25 05:19 AM] sansemin#0000 Hi, I'd like to apply for a grant to make this base. I already have a 750 base on Harmonia making HER, so this FP base for making FIM is step two in my three step master plan. https://prunplanner.org/shared/50b4aa10-dd54-4fba-8fc1-efe40b6a42aa {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/50b4aa10-dd54-4fba-8fc1-efe40b6a42aa PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [25-Mar-25 05:19 AM] sansemin#0000 Step three is to use the profits from these bases to fund a base on Griffonstone making DDT [25-Mar-25 05:20 AM] sansemin#0000 https://tenor.com/view/david-brent-the-office-ricky-gervais-thats-it-done-gif-12202083961184619139 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/david-brent-the-office-ricky-gervais-thats-it-done-gif-12202083961184619139 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Q5dX2PeM5yjJR8bO1tAOZxYXv5BJ6QJG9Dhtk4Gal6A/https/media.tenor.com/qVaCtpnmioMAAAAe/david-brent-the-office.png [25-Mar-25 06:30 AM] pagy1234#0000 you could definitely add an extra FP to that base, and i would recommend a STO aswell since you have the area for it. your choice tho [25-Mar-25 06:30 AM] pagy1234#0000 other wise its pretty much exactly like my first base :D [25-Mar-25 06:30 AM] pagy1234#0000 which i also got through this grant system [25-Mar-25 06:57 AM] sansemin#0000 Yeah but adding another would consume more HER than my Harmonia base can produce [25-Mar-25 06:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 How are you getting enough from 1 frm base? [25-Mar-25 06:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 I have 2 frm bases, one harmonia, one phobos, and i still dont make enough? [25-Mar-25 07:08 AM] sansemin#0000 A 3 permit base on Harmonia with 5 experts makes 83.95 HER/d, with 27 FRM only making HER [25-Mar-25 07:09 AM] sansemin#0000 A 1 permit base on Norwick with 5 experts needs 83.46 HER/d, with 26 FP only making FIM [25-Mar-25 07:17 AM] tanda#0000 How does the rate of return look for you if you include the cost of the extra permits in your ROI calculations? [25-Mar-25 07:50 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ahh, ok i see [25-Mar-25 07:50 AM] pagy1234#0000 Thats why [25-Mar-25 09:14 AM] sansemin#0000 I dunno, is it possible to add that through planner? [25-Mar-25 09:15 AM] sansemin#0000 I played a couple of years ago and had a pretty big empire, I know +1 permit bases aren't the most cost effective but for me it balances out having to constantly ping ships around between a higher number of individual bases {Reactions} 👆 [25-Mar-25 09:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 dont think so, but the math isnt too difficult, just (prunplanner base cost, + XIT HQUC [HQ lvl#] -> [HQ lvl#] cost) / prunplanner profit [25-Mar-25 09:25 AM] sansemin#0000 Omfg thank you for mentioning XIT, I knew I used to use a plugin but I couldn't remember what it was called [25-Mar-25 09:25 AM] sansemin#0000 I've been rawdogging PrUn for like a week [25-Mar-25 09:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh lol [25-Mar-25 09:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 its Rprun on chrome web store [25-Mar-25 09:27 AM] sansemin#0000 Yeah just found it [25-Mar-25 09:28 AM] sansemin#0000 So just eyeballing it, it adds a few days to the ROI [25-Mar-25 09:29 AM] sansemin#0000 But I'm not too fussed about that [25-Mar-25 09:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah for now it does [25-Mar-25 09:30 AM] sansemin#0000 Well I've already got the two permit FRM base up and running anyway, the grant request is for a single permit FP base [25-Mar-25 10:56 AM] batman_project#0000 ZV-639d pure nitrogen extraction 1 permit optimized gets over 100k a day, i already have 12psl for base and dw isnt a problem my og base makes about 1400 dw a day https://prunplanner.org/shared/9cd19313-3fb4-46db-be81-f26ac058d80e {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/9cd19313-3fb4-46db-be81-f26ac058d80e PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [25-Mar-25 10:57 AM] batman_project#0000 eventually with a surplus on nitrogen i can start up another base that makes NS or something, or make deals with people that already do that would this qualify for grant? probably would start with 3 habs and 10 extractors then build off that [25-Mar-25 10:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 1. I would consider putting a STO into the plan. Otherwise your base will be filled up after just a day and stop producing [25-Mar-25 11:00 AM] laaxus#0000 Do you have enough shipping capacity [25-Mar-25 11:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ^ that was my second question 😅😂 [25-Mar-25 11:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It’s always about the shipping [25-Mar-25 11:02 AM] batman_project#0000 i just hace two starter ships atm [25-Mar-25 11:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And thirdly - did you check, if you can sell all of that N. Somebody has to check me on that, but you would produce nearly all of the daily traded amount alone [25-Mar-25 11:04 AM] pxlfox.#0000 This will probably be not enough {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1354123709211742258/image0.jpg?ex=6814ecfa&is=68139b7a&hm=9eefbce7cf6b427b8ecf9f7a035a0cea8fb48a00d8bf3cfc5ae85ab073a6295b& [25-Mar-25 11:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It’s not a bad plan per se, but might be a bit early atm. Something with less shipping requirements would be more affordable [25-Mar-25 11:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 CL is a good call (or chemicals overall). Agriculture and food is easy, too. [25-Mar-25 11:09 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Resource extraction is something more mid-game, when you have a bit more shipping capacity on hand [25-Mar-25 11:09 AM] batman_project#0000 dang why is that N so heavy? [25-Mar-25 11:09 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It isn’t [25-Mar-25 11:10 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It’s just a lot [25-Mar-25 11:10 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Nearly 1,400 units per day is quite a handful 😅 [25-Mar-25 11:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 You could start with a not fully build up base, but at that point I would consider using the permit for something else [25-Mar-25 11:12 AM] batman_project#0000 yeah let me cook up something else, i know anteres needs brm but there is no planet thats actually anteras that has it [25-Mar-25 11:13 AM] pagy1234#0000 If in doubt, go for something generic that will guaranteed sell, then later you can always expand {Reactions} 👆 (2) [25-Mar-25 11:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Or ask - people will most like point to some markets in-demand [25-Mar-25 11:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 I went for a RAT and DW mix at the beginning, then now I changed to making my own HER to process into FIM. [25-Mar-25 11:15 AM] batman_project#0000 let me see what ice station would be like for DW [25-Mar-25 11:16 AM] sansemin#0000 Should I redo this, or am I waiting for someone to come online to check it out? [25-Mar-25 11:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 How much does this cost to make? [25-Mar-25 11:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 Build* [25-Mar-25 11:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 I would recomend that for the grant, dont exceed 700k direct spending, because building a buffer for all materials costs alot [25-Mar-25 11:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 And you will be spending s bunch of money before you get the first products to finally sell [25-Mar-25 11:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 So imo just build as much as you can with the grant, then expand the base slowly later [25-Mar-25 11:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 Thats what i did when i got my grant for norwick [25-Mar-25 11:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 This was what I had going back then^ [25-Mar-25 11:29 AM] sansemin#0000 Planner says 556k to build and ~6 days ROI, that doesn't take into account the fact that I already have a base making HER though [25-Mar-25 11:30 AM] pagy1234#0000 The second STO was barely useful and I only did it because at the time I though STO added only 1k/1k, not 5k/5k [25-Mar-25 11:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 Consumables will be maybe 50k ontop? Yeah you are probably safe on that [25-Mar-25 11:31 AM] sansemin#0000 Ah hang on, construction cart says 732k and consumables is about 30k per week [25-Mar-25 11:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 I had to spend less since H2O costed quite alot [25-Mar-25 11:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 Imo you are cutting it a bit close, do you have significant cash on hand already? [25-Mar-25 11:32 AM] sansemin#0000 328k [25-Mar-25 11:33 AM] pagy1234#0000 Not bad, tbh this plan should be fine, make sure you get your construction materials from #internal-offers and your construction cart will probably go down to low 600k's [25-Mar-25 11:35 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ping any of the people contributing to AGP when you are ready to recieve it, they could also offer some better judgement👍 {Reactions} 👍 [25-Mar-25 01:00 PM] batman_project#0000 SE-110c this to start for a DW base. could easily be upgraded and even with maxed out permits a starter ship can handle all shipping needs. would this qualify for grant? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1354152916717408338/Screenshot_2025-03-25_135530.png?ex=6815082e&is=6813b6ae&hm=95b03defd0dca5577d2dec2fb3be1897e7decf5b16c66e1b824ffc6bad991f68& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1354152917170520114/Screenshot_2025-03-25_135323.png?ex=6815082e&is=6813b6ae&hm=b110403a0317bbe87d4656c21b89b2feb5fdcbb718db8d9be1d3ac384cbfe727& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1354152917686550649/Screenshot_2025-03-25_134957.png?ex=6815082e&is=6813b6ae&hm=01c770d8968d44d32fc7d82f90058f902319f57e78ba99181754239df44ff78e& [25-Mar-25 01:10 PM] archielvahr#0000 That looks good to me, I'll fund that! [25-Mar-25 01:11 PM] archielvahr#0000 I assume there's area left, so it can grow as you continue {Reactions} red [25-Mar-25 01:12 PM] archielvahr#0000 Also looks good! [25-Mar-25 01:15 PM] batman_project#0000 thank you so much! [25-Mar-25 01:15 PM] archielvahr#0000 Thalassa is a fun system: [25-Mar-25 01:15 PM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2025-03-25_13-15-43.png {Embed} http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2025-03-25_13-15-43.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/3OgRmBbo1AIYtzWV3mMyzD81I2gCb6tSKa79cGIV0Mk/http/kortham.net/temp/firefox_2025-03-25_13-15-43.png [25-Mar-25 01:16 PM] archielvahr#0000 Always happy to see more people join it, even if it costs a little more due to the INS [25-Mar-25 01:18 PM] batman_project#0000 youll see aqua solutions at that CX before you know it {Reactions} 💯 [25-Mar-25 01:18 PM] batman_project#0000 https://tenor.com/view/drunk-silly-dance-dancing-gif-10011036584054849600 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/drunk-silly-dance-dancing-gif-10011036584054849600 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/BtbTCiG0qzqn78Oy0tz3TSA7zrOmr9R028SenIjzxxs/https/media.tenor.com/iu5Yu4IHgEAAAAAe/drunk-silly-dance.png [25-Mar-25 01:23 PM] archielvahr#0000 Cash is sent! [25-Mar-25 01:23 PM] batman_project#0000 your a saint [25-Mar-25 02:18 PM] batman_project#0000 How come this says the time that it’ll be done and just look different [25-Mar-25 02:23 PM] archielvahr#0000 Ahh I’m using the refined prun browser extension. I highly recommend it. [25-Mar-25 02:23 PM] archielvahr#0000 It has a ton of ui improvements. Especially good as you grow bigger and need to manage more stuff. {Reactions} red [25-Mar-25 03:20 PM] sansemin#0000 @jvaler @sidepipe @archielvahr @realharvey @.urpalhal I was told to ping you to ask for a grant for this base: https://prunplanner.org/shared/50b4aa10-dd54-4fba-8fc1-efe40b6a42aa {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/50b4aa10-dd54-4fba-8fc1-efe40b6a42aa PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [25-Mar-25 03:21 PM] archielvahr#0000 I sent the money already 😎 check your contracts [25-Mar-25 03:21 PM] sansemin#0000 Ignore me, I just saq Archiel sent me a contract {Reactions} 🤣 danceboi [25-Mar-25 03:21 PM] sansemin#0000 Haha, thanks man [25-Mar-25 03:21 PM] archielvahr#0000 A++ service right here 😄 [25-Mar-25 03:22 PM] sansemin#0000 D- for checking my contracts [25-Mar-25 06:29 PM] pagy1234#0000 Eventually you could move your FP to SE-110a, it has a food industries CoGC so you get a decent boost. [28-Mar-25 03:39 PM] marcus_001#0000 Heya, im looking for grant to start Harmonia Farm base as my second base. Have a prun base plan [28-Mar-25 03:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Would you share the base plan? [28-Mar-25 03:54 PM] marcus_001#0000 Here https://prunplanner.org/shared/bf013263-52bd-4753-b5e1-1415799648b7 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/bf013263-52bd-4753-b5e1-1415799648b7 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [28-Mar-25 05:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think it looks good. You could replace a STO with a RIG for H2O if you really wanted to [28-Mar-25 05:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I would sponsor but I went shopping and shopped a little too hard [28-Mar-25 05:17 PM] jvaler#0000 sent you a grant {Reactions} givelove (2) [28-Mar-25 06:35 PM] marcus_001#0000 Thank you [28-Mar-25 06:36 PM] marcus_001#0000 Thank you, i originally did that but i like to be able to keep several days worth of supplies. Sometimes my job gets busy so i like to be able to have a big stockpile [28-Mar-25 06:37 PM] tanda#0000 I ran that one for a little bit. With the warehouse on Harmonia, you have enough space (with enough capital) to run that base without STOs and no service for 30 days [28-Mar-25 06:40 PM] marcus_001#0000 ohhhh i forgot i could use planet warehouse [28-Mar-25 07:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah but WAR won’t auto feed and supply your base [28-Mar-25 07:36 PM] marcus_001#0000 thats true but as a buffer i can get on and move stuff. The hard part is having 8 bases and 2 ships XD though thats not a current problem but it was the issue i suffered when i stopped playing [28-Mar-25 07:37 PM] tanda#0000 well, ships are more available nowadays at least {Reactions} 👆 [28-Mar-25 07:37 PM] tanda#0000 you have both OOG and EvoV as shipmakers present in this discord alone [28-Mar-25 07:37 PM] marcus_001#0000 Sweet 😄 [28-Mar-25 08:48 PM] evany.#0000 and #psk-information for ship upgrades [28-Mar-25 08:48 PM] evany.#0000 or schaitr in other prun discord for starters [30-Mar-25 01:42 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1355975595611127940/image.png?ex=6815122e&is=6813c0ae&hm=4a637ac6256f4275eca86ef5e8febad5b3944d0845f990a9a26e9f14e135faea& [30-Mar-25 01:42 PM] laaxus#0000 concurence [30-Mar-25 01:43 PM] laaxus#0000 I dislike it [30-Mar-25 01:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 They just jealous [30-Mar-25 01:44 PM] realharvey#0000 so do we just Up ur numbers to 1.5? [30-Mar-25 01:44 PM] tanda#0000 I like it [30-Mar-25 01:45 PM] tanda#0000 about time HRT had something, considering they get half the newbies [30-Mar-25 01:45 PM] realharvey#0000 now they have promitor AND also 1 mil [30-Mar-25 01:46 PM] laaxus#0000 honestly, we should [30-Mar-25 01:47 PM] laaxus#0000 like, promitor + 1M ? [30-Mar-25 01:47 PM] laaxus#0000 it's hard to compete The ADI is still miles better than whatever they offer [30-Mar-25 01:47 PM] laaxus#0000 but it's harder to sell [30-Mar-25 01:48 PM] tanda#0000 this is one reason I always talk shit about Promitor as a start [30-Mar-25 02:55 PM] marat_sh#0000 I vote for 1.5mil+ [30-Mar-25 03:22 PM] vanarazor#0000 Is promitor part of ANT? No way i don’t understand [30-Mar-25 03:23 PM] tanda#0000 Promitor is part of HRT [30-Mar-25 03:24 PM] tanda#0000 issue is despite having the best newbie starting planet, the actual region is mostly a deadzone. Very few colonized planets and systems, with little in the way of help should a new player try to expand in the same region [30-Mar-25 03:24 PM] tanda#0000 which is why the ADI doesn't even blink about taking on board refugees from Promitor [30-Mar-25 03:51 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1356007940364046517/image.png?ex=6814878e&is=6813360e&hm=1d80b001688674c4c60e31cc4faba795bd8cc90f0b10b4dbd54e987a18c798dc& [30-Mar-25 03:52 PM] razenpok#0000 But yeah, even a year ago there was nothing there to help newcomers [30-Mar-25 03:52 PM] razenpok#0000 So they either go up or right [30-Mar-25 03:53 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, that faction's a lie [30-Mar-25 03:53 PM] tanda#0000 you just got one planet out there vs 13 here [30-Mar-25 03:53 PM] sidepipe#0000 it's okay, we don't hold it against you 😛 [30-Mar-25 03:54 PM] sidepipe#0000 antares is not just a faction, it's a way of life that anyone can adopt {Reactions} 👆 (3) This (3) this (2) true [30-Mar-25 03:54 PM] razenpok#0000 No there are some in HRT - Avalon, Helion Prime, Ashland and other [30-Mar-25 03:55 PM] razenpok#0000 But ANT space is more diverse and developed [30-Mar-25 03:55 PM] razenpok#0000 And with a good manufacturing and construction base, this matters a lot [30-Mar-25 03:55 PM] tanda#0000 oh I meant your personal bases, not the planets in HRT [30-Mar-25 03:56 PM] razenpok#0000 Ah lmao, yeah [30-Mar-25 03:56 PM] razenpok#0000 I fly there once a week to grab some WIN from ORC [30-Mar-25 04:01 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1356010485987807392/Screen_Recording_2025-03-30_at_23.00.04.mov?ex=681489ed&is=6813386d&hm=a6a48a3792599bbe39589bd387ef56957089a2ab549dad4444756231c46e5eea& {Reactions} antares_initiative 💯 🤤 [30-Mar-25 04:14 PM] potaterror#0000 Imagine being the sort of scrub that has holdings in HRT space. [30-Mar-25 04:15 PM] razenpok#0000 Yeah, right? [30-Mar-25 04:17 PM] sidepipe#0000 You’re just spreading Antares influence across the galaxy 💪 [30-Mar-25 04:17 PM] tanda#0000 I do like that the acronym is IDA which is opposite of the ADI [30-Mar-25 04:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 Isn't the currency ICA too? [30-Mar-25 04:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 AIC in a different order? 😄 {Reactions} pepelaugh (2) [30-Mar-25 04:23 PM] realharvey#0000 I saw that corgi [30-Mar-25 04:27 PM] laaxus#0000 and the name of the server contains combined, as jvaler company {Reactions} 🧐 [30-Mar-25 04:27 PM] laaxus#0000 (ok this one is far fetched I admit) [30-Mar-25 04:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 nothing is too far-fetched. this is a clear conspiracy [30-Mar-25 04:37 PM] razenpok#0000 On that gif: insitorians coming to Antares {Reactions} ❤️ [30-Mar-25 06:12 PM] jvaler#0000 the most patriotic thing i've ever seen 🥲 [30-Mar-25 06:14 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm down. the wrath of inflation never sleeps [30-Mar-25 06:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 now we can pretend and not be ashamed 😆 [30-Mar-25 06:18 PM] jvaler#0000 [30-Mar-25 06:20 PM] jab.sh#0000 what if we did $2m [30-Mar-25 06:20 PM] jvaler#0000 pinging names on AGP database sheet :P @archielvahr @sidepipe @realharvey @.urpalhal @laaxus [30-Mar-25 06:21 PM] jvaler#0000 that feels like a bit much to give someone who has a pretty decent chance of just leaving the game [30-Mar-25 06:21 PM] jvaler#0000 i haven't calculated the success rate of AGP, but if you go through and check accounts there's more inactive than you'd hope [30-Mar-25 06:22 PM] tanda#0000 I do think increasing it again is probably a good idea overall, but it would be nice if that cash could go a bit farther rather than going into BFAB MMs a lot {Reactions} 💯 [30-Mar-25 06:22 PM] jvaler#0000 i think the goal of someone having 1-1.5 bases is ideal, 2mil would be ~2 bases [30-Mar-25 06:22 PM] tanda#0000 but that's a different matter entirely [30-Mar-25 06:23 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't really mind it, money sinks fight inflation [30-Mar-25 06:23 PM] jvaler#0000 don't think it puts much of a dent in the MM farms though [30-Mar-25 06:25 PM] tanda#0000 I think it's way beneath them. We give out only a couple every week at most right now [30-Mar-25 06:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 I guess I can’t decide - on the one hand, more money is good, and it’s not a bad idea to maintain a stronger offer than the other guys™️. But on the other hand, I’m not sure how useful an extra 500k is or isn’t [30-Mar-25 07:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 But we do have a lot of things other folks don’t. Co-op projects, big community, PSK especially. Maybe it’s better to lean more into those things? {Reactions} 👆 [30-Mar-25 07:02 PM] manhim#0000 Can future contributors vote? {Reactions} RSZeroShrugIDK [30-Mar-25 07:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean I feel like its hard for me to really say anything about how useful an extra 500k would be for a grant [30-Mar-25 07:06 PM] manhim#0000 We could do two grants totalling 2m. A first one on the spot, a second one later down the line? [30-Mar-25 07:07 PM] manhim#0000 Would've been quite useful to me. To a new player it represents 50% more than their net worth after the first grant. [30-Mar-25 07:07 PM] manhim#0000 Most bases now cost more than 1m to build [30-Mar-25 07:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 fair [30-Mar-25 07:08 PM] tanda#0000 at the same point, I don't think most players should be going after bases that cost 1mil+ on first founding [30-Mar-25 07:09 PM] tanda#0000 by the time you get to SET tier buildings, the things that are worth doing require pretty high cashflow {Reactions} 👆 [30-Mar-25 07:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 this is how much it would cost to build my first base {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1356058467001176186/image.png?ex=6814b69c&is=6813651c&hm=5a5aa2573b6ee980c9b30e3f0ef70f6db52d2984ad8c9a22bcb434d693cfdaa9& [30-Mar-25 07:12 PM] manhim#0000 Deimos SME {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1356058557136507032/image.png?ex=6814b6b2&is=68136532&hm=755e41367c007a4d1f4ae975bba107a3b1195e219142e086b8bfcf7ecd162b91& [30-Mar-25 07:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you should've have the CM tho [30-Mar-25 07:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 bc that is free [30-Mar-25 07:12 PM] manhim#0000 Take 2 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1356058648379654305/image.png?ex=6814b6c8&is=68136548&hm=051b8170f4321eaa8d92428735e6aea00a8145230788cc7e8d5c4dd68abad54b& [30-Mar-25 07:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 imo smelting AL isn't that great of a start anymore [30-Mar-25 07:15 PM] manhim#0000 It was good for a whole month when I started 😄 then it went downhill [30-Mar-25 07:17 PM] manhim#0000 I guess we should probably think about which bases would be good for beginners and grant according to that [30-Mar-25 07:18 PM] jab.sh#0000 pay for the base plus 500k or something? [30-Mar-25 07:20 PM] manhim#0000 Not necessarily. I think a fixed amount is always more marketable. [30-Mar-25 07:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 that gets messy [30-Mar-25 07:21 PM] manhim#0000 But if the bases we'd like to see beginners do all fit within 1m, then 1m is fine. I'm just not sure if that's the case. [30-Mar-25 07:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i took a loan to get my first base fully kitted out [30-Mar-25 07:22 PM] manhim#0000 I guess that's an option too [30-Mar-25 07:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and i remember it was really hard to support the full base at the start [30-Mar-25 07:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I was always behind on the logi [30-Mar-25 07:23 PM] manhim#0000 1m gave me half an SME base with almost a week of materials/cons [30-Mar-25 07:23 PM] manhim#0000 Maybe a bit more than half, I don't remember exactly [30-Mar-25 07:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 Maybe we can ask some recent grantees: did you feel limited by the size of the grant? {Reactions} 👆 [30-Mar-25 07:30 PM] sidepipe#0000 That is, if the main concern is grant adequacy and not just staying ahead of the other groups 😄 [30-Mar-25 07:32 PM] manhim#0000 Antares is Bestares 😁 [30-Mar-25 07:35 PM] jvaler#0000 watch it, that's a trademark =P [30-Mar-25 07:35 PM] manhim#0000 https://tenor.com/view/money-throw-baby-shut-up-take-my-money-take-my-money-gif-4535852 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/money-throw-baby-shut-up-take-my-money-take-my-money-gif-4535852 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/WK2sm8G7lnjajkHGgR1CGJWfVh0FwlXQY_V9Xf-Wed0/https/media.tenor.com/pVOsgxkF8tQAAAAe/money-throw.png [30-Mar-25 07:38 PM] tanda#0000 I always feel bad having a say in these matters since I'm usually so cash poor I've only funded two grants [30-Mar-25 09:44 PM] pagy1234#0000 nah no really [30-Mar-25 09:47 PM] pagy1234#0000 the grant is well large enough to give a pretty decent source of income to build off of, I was able to get I think around 70k (?) per day just off what the grant build for me [30-Mar-25 09:51 PM] pagy1234#0000 after that its pretty simple to expand since 70k is like ~2 new buildings on that base every day. [30-Mar-25 09:52 PM] pagy1234#0000 I feel like if it was to be increased, It would have to be by a pretty large margin since anyways only 60-70% of the grant could go to buildings straight away, rest goes to consumables and inputs. so increasing by 250k wouldnt have probably changed anything if I were to recieve the grant again as a newbie [30-Mar-25 09:54 PM] joshuastronomy#0000 If I had my base setup funded in exchange for COLIQing, would the grant be double-dipping? [30-Mar-25 09:56 PM] tanda#0000 If you COLIQued after receiving the grant, most sponsors wouldn't touch you [30-Mar-25 09:57 PM] archielvahr#0000 I do like the idea of a followup grant. A few of the grants I gave recently had the person leaving the game sort of shortly after they joined. (they didn't give me the DW and when i sent the cancel request, I noticed they were marked inactive). So a follow-up grant would be a way to 1) Keep the money used effectively and 2) Provide a little something to look forward to. It also is less overwhelming to get it all at once, and maybe the second grant comes right as the base from the first grant is getting "boring", so the steady dopamine hit helps with retention [30-Mar-25 10:00 PM] archielvahr#0000 If you coliqed and got a payment from someone for that, then you can still get the grant. ADI doesn't have an official "COLIQ for Money" program, so whoever gave you that cash did it on their own. (assuming I'm understanding that correctly) {Reactions} ☝️ [30-Mar-25 10:00 PM] archielvahr#0000 But yes, don't take money and COLIQ afterwards 😉 [30-Mar-25 10:01 PM] joshuastronomy#0000 Ok yeah, it's that, I'm not going to COLIQ again, I just want to hit the ground running buying inputs. [30-Mar-25 10:01 PM] manhim#0000 I think that it's also a nice way to track progress and both guide and encourage new players. {Reactions} 👍 [30-Mar-25 10:01 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I recall JAB's been doing some intense recruiting for DNPC [30-Mar-25 10:02 PM] tanda#0000 specifically Deimos [30-Mar-25 10:02 PM] joshuastronomy#0000 Yup it was that, handed me a full SME base + 2 weeks of workforce comsumables to start over on Deimos. [30-Mar-25 10:03 PM] joshuastronomy#0000 I'll be sent ALO, but I'll need to buy C O FLX myself [30-Mar-25 10:04 PM] manhim#0000 I offer O on the internal market if you need. My FLX is more of a reserve, so priced higher. [30-Mar-25 10:07 PM] joshuastronomy#0000 Right on. I'll put in for the grant then, thank you. [30-Mar-25 10:22 PM] potaterror#0000 Eh? C/O are usually covered under the DNPC, FLX is the only thing you'd need to buy [30-Mar-25 10:22 PM] joshuastronomy#0000 You're right, O is also being sent to me, my bad [30-Mar-25 10:24 PM] joshuastronomy#0000 And the C too I guess? I haven't asked for details about logistics until my base and ship are up and running [30-Mar-25 10:24 PM] potaterror#0000 Yep, C gets delivered to you. [30-Mar-25 11:21 PM] realharvey#0000 I very much like this kind of approach [31-Mar-25 01:22 AM] jab.sh#0000 AA grants are independent of AGP, at least that's how I understand it, but of course it's up to the discretion of the grant funders. I do appreciate you being up front about it at least 🙂 [31-Mar-25 01:26 AM] jab.sh#0000 yeah trying to fill 5 Deimos spots was not exactly easy 😅 [31-Mar-25 02:01 AM] vanarazor#0000 the firsst time I arrived on the server I wanted the grant but I did not want someone more experience to break in down to much for me .. [31-Mar-25 02:02 AM] vanarazor#0000 now I get the value of experienced player expertise [31-Mar-25 05:04 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I certainly could have used more, I think I was able to build about 1/3 of a BMP base on Heph once accounting for needing inputs. It was certainly appreciated (and made starting the game tolerable!), but it didn't seem like it would pay for even an inexpensive full base (especailly when my first base still had a tremendous amount of area free). If there is a model for a follow up grant, that would definitely be interesting. And, while I would have wanted more, I think even using 1M up front can be a bit overwhelming as well if you're used to having at most 10k, so a way to get another 500k a week or two later would be a reasonable compromise. (Maybe something like "leaderboard shows production from your grant base at roughly expected level") [31-Mar-25 12:39 PM] evany.#0000 i'm sympathetic to this plight, we've talked a ton about it on voice in various groups but if your relying on another player to stave off the churn that the game is having, its probably someone that will never be along term player anyway. not to say there is anything wrong with short term retention from a fellow players perspective, but doesn't bode very well in the long term for player retention and health of the game in general. The issue is I think the scale/size of starter bases with no easy access. I hate that I even think of it but I suspect it will likely be better if they offer a 'faster but longer' tutorial. Maybe make it 7 days and as they complete parts of it give them access to batches of materials as rewards that are way under CX. A virtucaller makes 2300aic/day according to prunplanner which is 20+ days just to build 1 additional FRM [31-Mar-25 12:40 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I have not been a beneficiary of the AGP but I do have some input: - Maybe consider increasing the grant ceiling but make it a case by case thing. If the plan is actually very good, grant the full money. If its not a very expansive plan, which isn't using the maximum grant then issue what is requested. - If the player is too new, issue grants in installments. 50% now, 50% 2 weeks later maybe? [31-Mar-25 12:46 PM] sidepipe#0000 I don't personally like the idea of increasing the grant on a case-by-case basis because it'll penalize new players who choose a cheaper base {Reactions} 👆 (2) [31-Mar-25 12:46 PM] evany.#0000 my two cents, the grant amount is fine leave it up to grantor whether they want to do 1.5 instead of 1 or something along those lines. 1mil is still really good depending on the base type a lot of beginner bases are still 6-700k to build out leaving 300k for consumables [31-Mar-25 12:48 PM] laaxus#0000 1m is good, 1,5M is better [31-Mar-25 12:48 PM] laaxus#0000 We want the newcommers to start in antares [31-Mar-25 12:48 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think a follow-up approach could make sense, because 1) it encourages people to stay active in the server a bit longer, and 2) we probably won't need to track it closely because the grantees probably won't let us forget about their extra grant 😛 [31-Mar-25 12:49 PM] jab.sh#0000 1m is good, 1.5m is better, 2m is too much? 😆 [31-Mar-25 12:49 PM] laaxus#0000 BTW, if every faction starts to give grant, maybe the game should do something about it {Reactions} 👆 [31-Mar-25 12:49 PM] laaxus#0000 Wouldn't be against it tbh [31-Mar-25 12:49 PM] jab.sh#0000 idk, I don't love the idea of having everyone start out with a full base, it seems a lot less flexible [31-Mar-25 12:50 PM] laaxus#0000 Then maybe we could give them a higher grant, but not in cash, and advertised differently [31-Mar-25 12:51 PM] laaxus#0000 For example, project CORGI could start paying for leased bases [31-Mar-25 12:52 PM] laaxus#0000 We need to offer better services, and then advertise it [31-Mar-25 12:53 PM] sidepipe#0000 do we even advertise the PSK right now? I think that's probably our single biggest value-add (if you'll excuse the term). It's not on the #galactic-deals post {Reactions} ☝️ [31-Mar-25 12:53 PM] moke.#0000 Just my 2 cents, I only got a grant at 250k when I started, and did fine starting in Harmonia. I think the bigger issue is the amount of time it takes to be profitable once you've established a new starter base. Someone new isn't going to want to wait 2+ weeks to see any profits, grant or not. Artificially cratering the price on low-tier/easy to make items to be cheap for them is simultaneously making it difficult for them to get started without jumping into more complicated chains, and not everyone is going to want to handle right off the bat even with guidance. [31-Mar-25 12:54 PM] laaxus#0000 Low cost base Never have been as profitable as right now [31-Mar-25 12:54 PM] jab.sh#0000 I don't remember how my ship upgrades worked but I'm pretty sure I needed the cash up front [31-Mar-25 12:54 PM] jab.sh#0000 wish I knew about psk [31-Mar-25 12:54 PM] jab.sh#0000 could've had bigger ships earlier [31-Mar-25 12:54 PM] sidepipe#0000 schaitr, i'm guessing [31-Mar-25 12:54 PM] jab.sh#0000 it was through rise [31-Mar-25 12:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 FWIW, I also started with a 250k grant, but that was 400+ days ago, and RATs were ~80/u back then 😄 [31-Mar-25 12:55 PM] moke.#0000 And yet you want everything to be a 15 day ROI at least 🙂 [31-Mar-25 12:56 PM] moke.#0000 Lower RoI leads to faster profits, number go up means they're happy and stick around [31-Mar-25 12:56 PM] laaxus#0000 That's what I initialy wished for but couldn't make it viable. I've updated the profitability to a minimum of 100k/d [31-Mar-25 12:56 PM] moke.#0000 I don't think there should be a perceived minimum or maximum, let the market decide. [31-Mar-25 12:57 PM] laaxus#0000 I AM the market [31-Mar-25 12:57 PM] moke.#0000 In everything? [31-Mar-25 12:57 PM] moke.#0000 Big doubt [31-Mar-25 12:57 PM] laaxus#0000 In what I produce [31-Mar-25 12:57 PM] jab.sh#0000 you're also daylight savings time 😭 [31-Mar-25 12:58 PM] jvaler#0000 @evany. do you plan on making a UFO post for PSK, or should i? if you want me to, is there anything i should know before making a draft? i'll pass it by you first before posting if so [31-Mar-25 12:59 PM] laaxus#0000 Antares is the cheapest faction for LFabs and RFabs [31-Mar-25 12:59 PM] laaxus#0000 It was not the case before I started project corgi 🙂 {Reactions} 🎉 (2) [31-Mar-25 12:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 Anyway, I'm not against increasing the grant. Doing it in two phases might be nice but could be confusing - on the one hand, more engagement, but on the other hand, you might not get to drop your whole base at once. But I think advertising $1M grant + new player support + co-op projects + 0 upfront cost ship upgrades + free building materials from BASED is probably above and beyond what anyone else can offer at this point {Reactions} 👆 (4) [31-Mar-25 12:59 PM] razenpok#0000 Free building materials from BASED can also be a selling point. It's approximately 250k of free stuff per base. [31-Mar-25 01:00 PM] moke.#0000 And yet most of your LBH doesnt go to antares for some reason 🤔 [31-Mar-25 01:02 PM] laaxus#0000 Because you keep buying it ? 😄 [31-Mar-25 01:02 PM] jvaler#0000 how should we go about advertising this? separate listings, or all in one? "New Player Support Bundle"? [31-Mar-25 01:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 (some of those might already be in the post, i just glanced at it for PSK 😅 ) [31-Mar-25 01:02 PM] moke.#0000 And making plenty of credits off of it elsewhere. [31-Mar-25 01:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'd just say all in one. Fancy bulleted list with lots of exclamation marks [31-Mar-25 01:03 PM] laaxus#0000 Congrats to you [31-Mar-25 01:03 PM] moke.#0000 The point is, just because the prices are lower doesn't make it "better", lfabs in particular are low enough entry that new players should be making that for money [31-Mar-25 01:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 maybe let's move this to #associate-office @laaxus & @moke. ? 🙂 [31-Mar-25 01:04 PM] razenpok#0000 "New Player Support Bundle, you need a base with a PAC building to use it" [31-Mar-25 01:04 PM] jvaler#0000 PAC? [31-Mar-25 01:04 PM] jvaler#0000 oh new bundle stuff lmao i see [31-Mar-25 01:04 PM] moke.#0000 Which leads back to my point of letting the market decide the profitability of bases, not what groups "think" [31-Mar-25 01:04 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll do what's fun to me [31-Mar-25 01:05 PM] laaxus#0000 how about that [31-Mar-25 01:05 PM] moke.#0000 This was an open discussion about the grant program and I'm putting in my two cents. No need to be upset [31-Mar-25 01:05 PM] laaxus#0000 The grant program has nothing to do with that [31-Mar-25 01:05 PM] moke.#0000 Please reread my original point then [31-Mar-25 01:05 PM] laaxus#0000 the grant program has always been about the new player making its own decisions [31-Mar-25 01:06 PM] laaxus#0000 I dare you to find the last time an agp applicant made a pp2 base with grant [31-Mar-25 01:06 PM] moke.#0000 Why so mad? [31-Mar-25 01:07 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm not mad, you're the one going out of context [31-Mar-25 01:07 PM] jvaler#0000 it's been months afaik. there was one player i guided towards it on nike when AL SME were poor profits but none since then [31-Mar-25 01:07 PM] laaxus#0000 Players will decide themselves what to do with the grant [31-Mar-25 01:08 PM] laaxus#0000 They can make the most profitable base [31-Mar-25 01:08 PM] laaxus#0000 or they can make something that is not the most profitable [31-Mar-25 01:08 PM] laaxus#0000 some players follow what the market dictates [31-Mar-25 01:08 PM] laaxus#0000 and some don't [31-Mar-25 01:09 PM] moke.#0000 Talk about going out of context, I never said who should make what with their grant money, I used lfabs as an example to my point of low-tier/easy to make items, that are easier logistically for new players, shouldn't be artificially lowered to the point that it makes little sense to make that base. [31-Mar-25 01:10 PM] laaxus#0000 LTA is pretty profitable right now [31-Mar-25 01:10 PM] laaxus#0000 anyway, a new players should probably not do a PP2 base, because of the logistic issues [31-Mar-25 01:11 PM] moke.#0000 But it should be their decision I thought? [31-Mar-25 01:11 PM] laaxus#0000 oh it can [31-Mar-25 01:11 PM] jvaler#0000 although PSK does exist. but that's up to them if they want that 1.35mil debt [31-Mar-25 01:12 PM] laaxus#0000 If a new player ask for feedback, I would discourage a PP2 base until they have both their starter ships upgraded [31-Mar-25 01:12 PM] laaxus#0000 but up to them to try [31-Mar-25 01:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 we can always subsidize part of the first ship instead of increasing the grant, or offer two options. 1.5M cash or 1M + .85M loan + ship upgrade [31-Mar-25 01:13 PM] laaxus#0000 1M + one free ship upgrade might be the new program ? [31-Mar-25 01:13 PM] laaxus#0000 I like that [31-Mar-25 01:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 but since jvaler has done all the ship loans except for one, that's probably up to them [31-Mar-25 01:14 PM] pxlfox.#0000 The discussion is about whether we want to give out a second grant after one already received one, isn’t it? [31-Mar-25 01:14 PM] laaxus#0000 this discussion is a mess [31-Mar-25 01:15 PM] evany.#0000 i looked the other day and i couldn't even find a valid ADI post - just you asking for the old one to be deleted [31-Mar-25 01:16 PM] sidepipe#0000 My summary is - Do we increase the grant to 1.5M? - if so, do we offer it in one lump sum or over time? - Do we leave the grant the same and lean more into our other offerings? [31-Mar-25 01:17 PM] pxlfox.#0000 The whole reason of ADI is to support and build up the region, right? So the goal of the grant program is to get players faster to a point they have a meaningful role in the economy and keep them playing, right? [31-Mar-25 01:17 PM] laaxus#0000 I like the idea of 1M + one ship upgrade, but 2.5M worth per person might be too much ? [31-Mar-25 01:17 PM] evany.#0000 i'd like to see an example of your idea of a starter base. Most of the starts that im familiar with (FRM & SME) are 40k/day max [31-Mar-25 01:18 PM] laaxus#0000 FRM is very profitable right now [31-Mar-25 01:18 PM] laaxus#0000 Idem for HAL and CHP (tho it requires ship upgrade) [31-Mar-25 01:19 PM] laaxus#0000 FP is also very profitable [31-Mar-25 01:20 PM] jvaler#0000 AGP: https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1354328950624751697 ADI: https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1269367508813746236 [31-Mar-25 01:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 ah, I see [31-Mar-25 01:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 we should just copy the perks from ADI over to the AGP post 🙂 [31-Mar-25 01:21 PM] evany.#0000 I must have looked a day or two before that! [31-Mar-25 01:21 PM] evany.#0000 thank you [31-Mar-25 01:22 PM] jvaler#0000 i feel like it'll be worse visibility if something like PSK is under a header of AGP. the title should be more generalist and each perk given equal weight? [31-Mar-25 01:22 PM] jvaler#0000 cause afaik we have loads of ship kits and nobody to sell them to [31-Mar-25 01:22 PM] sidepipe#0000 I don't think it's a bad idea to advertise PSK seperately as well [31-Mar-25 01:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 but just add it under the AGP post so if someone is shopping for a grant, they also see all the other cool stuff we do here [31-Mar-25 01:23 PM] evany.#0000 i'm good with keeping PSK under ADI/AGP, god knows it wouldn't be alive with out help from a ton of people here [31-Mar-25 01:23 PM] realharvey#0000 Anyone on the computer that can check how many of the grant receivers have actually stayed in the game? Before considering upping the grant amount we should ensure good player retention [31-Mar-25 01:23 PM] jvaler#0000 ah okay, just mention it in the AGP post and have it link to PSK. i like that {Reactions} 💯 (2) [31-Mar-25 01:23 PM] evany.#0000 stand by harvey [31-Mar-25 01:27 PM] evany.#0000 7 active in the last 60daysout of the 13 recipents 1 uncheckable since someone typo'd the user name (can't have spaces) {Reactions} 🫡 [31-Mar-25 01:27 PM] evany.#0000 so a little bit above 50% retention is probably good, though no way to directly compare to other factions. [31-Mar-25 01:28 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Every grant is real money going to the devs {Reactions} wha [31-Mar-25 01:28 PM] pxlfox.#0000 In my books, that’s a win [31-Mar-25 01:31 PM] pxlfox.#0000 A bonus after a month or so after a month to keep players in the game sounds effective [31-Mar-25 01:31 PM] pxlfox.#0000 And a 50% discount for a PSK upgrade after 3 months [31-Mar-25 01:31 PM] realharvey#0000 Thank you ! [31-Mar-25 01:32 PM] evany.#0000 i'm boucing between things but if anyone can think of an automated way to pull the last 180days rather than my spot checking i'd like to see the whole thing [31-Mar-25 01:34 PM] realharvey#0000 I'd say we don't overload new people with tons of benefits then. Start with the grant as is any a Pak discount after 14 days? [31-Mar-25 01:36 PM] evany.#0000 we might want to drop this into a thread - though i suppose its technically still ontopic for #agp-operations something that was talked about the other day was how many people have guest "passes" they have no intention of using ? i know i have like 5 or so [31-Mar-25 01:42 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 One thing I definately did not appreciate as a new player is just how crazy cheap many of the internal offers are compared to the CX, and this makes a massive difference in growth. Its a key part of ADI, but its certainly not the path of least resistance. [31-Mar-25 01:44 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 One interesting thing about the first ship upgrade being subsidized is that it is naturally a "second" grant, since most players won't need it immediately anyway. [31-Mar-25 01:45 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I have been wondering how to (or even if I should) apply my guest passes to AGP, it feels awkward currently. [31-Mar-25 01:46 PM] evany.#0000 well I believe sidepipe made a good point earlier, it would feel bad if X gets it but a day later i join as Y and I see X got something I didn't. thats my only fear for the passes it would have to be clear first come first serve "as supplies last" [31-Mar-25 01:47 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Yeah, thus the "if" part. I dunno. I'm doing nothing with mine though. [31-Mar-25 01:47 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I also don't feel like "come to ADI for free pro" is a great model either but maybe that's just lack of foresight. [31-Mar-25 01:51 PM] evany.#0000 separate issue, not sure i'd want to advertise that. but while we're discussing this > ADI provides 1m grants and affordable WCB upgrade kits to support new or growing Antares-based players. It also features an active community with internal markets, coordinated projects, and resources for aspiring governors. Learn more here no obligations https://discord.gg/KCzRw8SEmx [31-Mar-25 01:51 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Yeah, that all makes sense [31-Mar-25 01:52 PM] evany.#0000 roast my spam with improvements if you can think of anything {Reactions} 🔥 ❤️‍🔥 [31-Mar-25 01:52 PM] evany.#0000 i will probably post again in antares starters later today [31-Mar-25 04:09 PM] vanarazor#0000 I got given a ADI grant and im not going anywhere [31-Mar-25 04:10 PM] vanarazor#0000 Thirteen is a good number but it’s quite not sufficient 🙂 [31-Mar-25 05:47 PM] tanda#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/855489861267619880/1356301653271384175 [31-Mar-25 05:47 PM] tanda#0000 looks like BEST is planning to bump up to 1mil as well [31-Mar-25 06:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean I can’t rag on cptcoleslaw tho {Reactions} 🥹 [31-Mar-25 06:05 PM] tanda#0000 ofc not [31-Mar-25 06:18 PM] jvaler#0000 {Embed} poll_question_text Should we increase the AGP grant amount to ₳1.5mil? Only vote if you are an AGP contributor. victor_answer_votes 5 total_votes 9 victor_answer_id 1 victor_answer_text Yes victor_answer_emoji_name ✅ [31-Mar-25 06:24 PM] marat_sh#0000 I've got like 6mil to spare if someone gonna need a grant @ me 😅 Lately I went afk gaming Just checking basic stuff and not engaging much as I used to [31-Mar-25 06:45 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't think we're ragging on anybody, this is just friendly competition [31-Mar-25 06:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No my point was I can rag on COSM 😅 [31-Mar-25 06:46 PM] jvaler#0000 is their gif really ai generated...? i didn't think ai could make something like that [31-Mar-25 06:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I don’t think it is [31-Mar-25 06:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But like idk about AI stuffs so [31-Mar-25 06:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I just think it’s a bit sweaty [01-Apr-25 09:53 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 yeah for context: we always wanted to push up to 1 mil, but 2 of our 3 main supporters are from very communist/socialist corps with lots of production focus and most of our wealth in the form of materials, not cash. So we're adding a big construction material bundle to our grant. Just a generic bunch of bfabs, MCG, and a CM kit. Nothing fancy. I think the part of BEST that I'm most proud of is our new player FAQ document, which pairs well with the grant since we don't have any major co-ops like you do here (yet...). I think Antares benefits most from the *combination* of grant money feeding into co-ops. Benten's co-ops are just it's corps... so it's not keeping up [01-Apr-25 10:04 AM] jvaler#0000 @evany. i don't think i got an answer about this :x [01-Apr-25 11:00 AM] evany.#0000 oh maybe not directly. go ahead if you want to take a crack at it. its probably good to mention it in the ADI post, but maybe have its own post as well [01-Apr-25 11:07 AM] realharvey#0000 its your operation. Its your call [01-Apr-25 03:51 PM] evany.#0000 i have been meaning to for weeks and not gotten around to it. be my guest [01-Apr-25 09:12 PM] smangy.#0000 Hi Everyone. I have put together a plan and would like to apply for a grant. Still learning the game and PRUNplanner. Please let me know if i can optimize anything. Grant Application: Base 1 - Farming World - Harmonia - Cost $440,026 (without CM) https://prunplanner.org/shared/efc34ffd-45d9-495f-a1ac-fa534ee51767 Base 2 - RAT Production World - Norwick - Cost $1,030,621 (including CM) https://prunplanner.org/shared/32021df5-3d89-4bfc-a01e-ed47c769b8a2 From here, not sure what the best order here is yet but base #3 and 4 would be a) water extraction base that would support the farming and could also feed base #2's FPs on drinking water and b) another farming world to feed the FP I have read some of the discussion above and would ask for the $1.5M which would be just enough to kit out my first two planets. Also let me know of any advice on the plans, it took me awhile to figure this out ! {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/efc34ffd-45d9-495f-a1ac-fa534ee51767 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/32021df5-3d89-4bfc-a01e-ed47c769b8a2 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [01-Apr-25 09:26 PM] pagy1234#0000 my advice: remove the FP from Harmonia, and use the BEA + GRN + NUT recipe to make RAT because iirc its cheaper (way less water usage) , then also balance out your ratios to make sure that you are producing the same amount of each of the 3 products. On Norwick I would heavily recommend that you add a STO, the 2.3 day storage fill time its pretty bad, and it will severely limit you in the future if you dont add one at the beginning. [01-Apr-25 09:26 PM] pagy1234#0000 also for your future expansion, H2O isnt super great because ROI kinda sucks [01-Apr-25 09:27 PM] pagy1234#0000 ah and BTW, you should not use more than 60-70% of the total grant value since consumables and inputs to get started costs alot more than you would maybe think. [01-Apr-25 09:29 PM] pagy1234#0000 just my opinion, probably wait for a more experieced person to share their ideas aswell. [01-Apr-25 09:30 PM] smangy.#0000 The FP and RIG already exist on Harmonia unfortunately, i built it while following the tutorial. It will get demo'd when the condition goes down and I need the area. [01-Apr-25 09:31 PM] smangy.#0000 Noted on the recipes, thanks. I did not know about STO/storage so that is a good shout, thanks. [01-Apr-25 09:34 PM] smangy.#0000 Fair point. I would get the farm world fully settled first. {Reactions} 👍 [01-Apr-25 10:08 PM] smangy.#0000 Okay updated. I see why that recipe is signficantly more water efficient. [01-Apr-25 10:08 PM] pagy1234#0000 nice :D [01-Apr-25 10:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 ah ok, you could probably leave it then, I dont think you need a STO on harmonia, at least I dont have one [01-Apr-25 10:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 good start tbh [01-Apr-25 10:10 PM] smangy.#0000 Seems fairly low complexity, and then I can jump off from here [01-Apr-25 10:10 PM] smangy.#0000 Thanks [01-Apr-25 10:11 PM] smangy.#0000 i see the storage button now too [01-Apr-25 10:11 PM] smangy.#0000 so many buttons !! [01-Apr-25 10:11 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah absolutely [01-Apr-25 10:11 PM] pagy1234#0000 takes a while to figure out alot of the functions \ [01-Apr-25 10:12 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, also by the looks of it, your Harmonia base doesnt fully supply the Norwick base, I would recommened DW as a secondary production, with H2O being bought from CX aswell [01-Apr-25 10:12 PM] pagy1234#0000 plenty to be made with FP's [01-Apr-25 10:14 PM] pagy1234#0000 when you are happy with your plan, ping Jvaler or any of the other contributors listed in the #agp-information page, they can pass you the grant if they think its all good :D [01-Apr-25 10:20 PM] smangy.#0000 This is exactly whati was thinking and is why i was thinking a water world or farming world would work well after this [01-Apr-25 10:21 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, but H2O doensnt have the best ROI close to ANT, I think Etherwind should be pretty decent in terms of ROI, but its a bit far, and H2O is something you will be moving multiple times a week because of how heavy it is [01-Apr-25 10:21 PM] smangy.#0000 Going to go to bed shortly, i'll ping in the morning maybe if no one sees [01-Apr-25 10:22 PM] smangy.#0000 Ice Station Alpha is not far so i thought maybe i could make a profitable plan [01-Apr-25 10:22 PM] vanarazor#0000 hahah I had the same idea when I started 50 dasy ago [01-Apr-25 10:22 PM] pagy1234#0000 my ISA base has a 39d ROI, which isnt good at all for early game [01-Apr-25 10:22 PM] pagy1234#0000 generally you would want somthing under 20-30d ROI [01-Apr-25 10:23 PM] vanarazor#0000 I reckon if I had to do it again, I would do Harmonia FRM as a first expansion, does not require much storage neither much shipping volume, cheap and fast ROI {Reactions} 👆 [01-Apr-25 10:24 PM] vanarazor#0000 HER at the moment is really good [01-Apr-25 10:24 PM] vanarazor#0000 also ISA is quite expensive but it is the closest to ANT in term of h2o production [01-Apr-25 10:25 PM] smangy.#0000 Yes HER and its deriviates are nuts, i see that [01-Apr-25 10:25 PM] smangy.#0000 What do you mean by expensive ? How does that work ? [01-Apr-25 10:25 PM] vanarazor#0000 the only thing is DDT which is fairly expensive as well to get in [01-Apr-25 10:27 PM] smangy.#0000 Yeah planning out ISA the RoI is not great [01-Apr-25 10:40 PM] pagy1234#0000 it doesnt have good planetary conditions, atmospheric pressure is very high, and teperatures are very low, so you need to buy a certain amount of HSE and INS for each building, which increases the costs by alot {Reactions} 👆🏽 [01-Apr-25 10:43 PM] smangy.#0000 Ooooooh okay thanks [01-Apr-25 10:55 PM] jcheung#0000 ISA is a bit rough as well on shipping, H2O is very demanding [01-Apr-25 10:56 PM] smangy.#0000 After planning it out i see it would be nearly daily shipping with the starter ships [01-Apr-25 10:57 PM] smangy.#0000 which is no good {Reactions} 👆🏽 (2) [02-Apr-25 01:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 @pagy1234 great job and good advice. I like to see, when new players are capable to help others with what they learned. [02-Apr-25 01:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 thanks :D [02-Apr-25 04:48 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 The good news is that there tend to be reasonable local market contracts all the time there at close to CX bid price (and probably a decent deal if you are therefore saved the shipping cost). And, the shipping burden is less once you get your first PSK done. (But, I wouldn't recommend a new player go there until they have shipping at least plausibly available). [03-Apr-25 06:31 AM] magican1980#0000 Then I would recommend to consider Etherwind - no extra money for INS/HSE :). But if you only use Farms the H2O you use is "neglicable" and you can buy at the Antares CX [03-Apr-25 06:41 AM] tanda#0000 the shipping costs a lot more from etherwind or boucher, though [03-Apr-25 06:41 AM] tanda#0000 so it's not free money to just go to BEN or HRT [03-Apr-25 02:03 PM] smangy.#0000 After planning out those water options and better understanding the shipping required I honestly think I don't want to do water anymore lol [03-Apr-25 02:06 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah, water is just not great {Reactions} 👀 [03-Apr-25 02:06 PM] laaxus#0000 many people interested in it tho, initially [03-Apr-25 02:06 PM] laaxus#0000 I wonder why [03-Apr-25 02:06 PM] laaxus#0000 anyway, yes, the place of H20 overlord is already taken [03-Apr-25 02:06 PM] laaxus#0000 2nd place too [03-Apr-25 02:06 PM] laaxus#0000 no need to compete [03-Apr-25 02:15 PM] jcheung#0000 If you can sfford to process it in situ or you have bigger ships it's not bad [03-Apr-25 02:16 PM] jcheung#0000 But it's a bit of an upfront investment [03-Apr-25 03:10 PM] jvaler#0000 not great, but it's consistently decent afaik [03-Apr-25 03:12 PM] laaxus#0000 might as well do pg then [03-Apr-25 03:12 PM] laaxus#0000 or CL [03-Apr-25 03:12 PM] laaxus#0000 or C [03-Apr-25 03:17 PM] jvaler#0000 CL true [03-Apr-25 03:17 PM] jvaler#0000 but iirc H2O > C [03-Apr-25 03:21 PM] laaxus#0000 H2O is more profitable than C [03-Apr-25 03:21 PM] laaxus#0000 ?? [03-Apr-25 03:21 PM] laaxus#0000 omg C must be so god damn low lol [03-Apr-25 03:22 PM] vanarazor#0000 I mean look at the order book : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1357450319155560679/image.png?ex=681480e0&is=68132f60&hm=968bf96fb383034217a7e5b7b048b83322902fb66d9cd229400b8846ad2245c4& [03-Apr-25 03:23 PM] vanarazor#0000 C isn't the bottleneck at all [03-Apr-25 03:25 PM] vanarazor#0000 also some people are actively trading it, buy/sell imo prices is kept low artificially there too [03-Apr-25 03:26 PM] vanarazor#0000 interstellar gaia and ftori are the most active traders I see on evey order book [03-Apr-25 06:58 PM] smangy.#0000 I noticed this as well. [03-Apr-25 07:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No there is simply just more supply than demand [03-Apr-25 07:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 If there was more people using C then the price would go up [03-Apr-25 07:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like 9 months ago C was like 500/u but then like there was a shortage so the price went up for C [03-Apr-25 07:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But like at least you have buy orders to sell into as a newbie to get some quick cash. The spread really isn’t that bad so like it’s not like it’s nefarious or anything [04-Apr-25 11:20 AM] kk100762#0000 [04-Apr-25 11:21 AM] jvaler#0000 RIGs on harmonia are worse than using that space for another FRM [04-Apr-25 11:22 AM] jvaler#0000 the export volume of agri will always be > the import volume of water, so it adds no logistical cost to remove the RIGs for profit optimization [04-Apr-25 11:22 AM] jvaler#0000 everything else looks good though, you want the grant? [04-Apr-25 11:24 AM] kk100762#0000 ye [04-Apr-25 11:25 AM] jvaler#0000 alright sending it now [04-Apr-25 11:25 AM] kk100762#0000 will the weight of the cargo increase fuel consumption？ [04-Apr-25 11:25 AM] jvaler#0000 for STL flight yes, for FTL flight no [04-Apr-25 11:26 AM] jvaler#0000 it only makes a noticable difference once you start getting into the 1000's of tons of shipping though [04-Apr-25 11:26 AM] kk100762#0000 thank🙏 [04-Apr-25 01:34 PM] jcheung#0000 depending on how often you think you're going to visit, it may not be a terrible idea to swap the harmonia STO for a RIG and hb1 [04-Apr-25 01:34 PM] jcheung#0000 later on when you drop back to 1 permit then 13 frm and a rig should be very doable [04-Apr-25 01:34 PM] jcheung#0000 if you use rig though, make sure you make use of the warehouse for extra storage [04-Apr-25 01:36 PM] jcheung#0000 i also strongly suggest using the fast recipe for BEA and GRN when you can afford it [04-Apr-25 01:36 PM] jcheung#0000 3 bea : 3 grn : 1 nut [04-Apr-25 01:38 PM] jcheung#0000 17% increase in output [04-Apr-25 01:38 PM] jcheung#0000 sure it costs 4x the water but the output boost covers that [04-Apr-25 01:39 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't even consider water costs in FRMs it's so neglible lol {Reactions} 👍 [04-Apr-25 01:39 PM] jcheung#0000 also helps some with the FP planet having empty space [04-Apr-25 01:39 PM] jcheung#0000 since that extra 17% allows you to almost feed another 3 FPs [04-Apr-25 01:40 PM] laaxus#0000 H2O is so cheap [04-Apr-25 01:40 PM] jcheung#0000 i would also just simply fill the rest of the planet with FPs, you can easily fill the others with DW or you can slip some HER into the FRM and make some FIM [04-Apr-25 01:41 PM] jcheung#0000 oh wait. fp has no expert and harmonia doesn't have all experts... [04-Apr-25 01:41 PM] jcheung#0000 okay, only 2 extra FPs worth [04-Apr-25 01:42 PM] jcheung#0000 but still, same buildings on harmonia and feeding 2 extra FPs on norwick is good [04-Apr-25 02:26 PM] whitefox8#0000 So I have now premium, with which person should I talk about my plans for the agp? [04-Apr-25 02:33 PM] potaterror#0000 Link your prunplanner build here and folks will have a look, then someone may offer up some dosh to make it happen. [04-Apr-25 02:46 PM] whitefox8#0000 Thanks [04-Apr-25 03:23 PM] whitefox8#0000 well, I was looking the video for prunplanner and I still dont understand anything. nice! [04-Apr-25 03:23 PM] whitefox8#0000 that is going to be a long night [04-Apr-25 03:30 PM] laaxus#0000 everybody start like this {Reactions} 👆🏽 [04-Apr-25 03:30 PM] laaxus#0000 then it becomes obvious [04-Apr-25 03:30 PM] laaxus#0000 don't give up [04-Apr-25 03:30 PM] laaxus#0000 and if you have any question, feel free to ask [04-Apr-25 03:31 PM] whitefox8#0000 but I cant let the translater translate everything 😦 [04-Apr-25 03:31 PM] whitefox8#0000 or am I to blind to see the language settings? [04-Apr-25 03:32 PM] laaxus#0000 the site or the video ? [04-Apr-25 03:32 PM] whitefox8#0000 site [04-Apr-25 03:32 PM] laaxus#0000 it's in english, you don't understand it ? [04-Apr-25 03:33 PM] whitefox8#0000 I am not good in english that is so shorted that for me missis like 40% [04-Apr-25 03:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think officially it’s only in German as well [04-Apr-25 03:33 PM] whitefox8#0000 Where [04-Apr-25 03:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Top right [04-Apr-25 03:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 At least if we’re talking about Prosperous Universe and not the tools for it [04-Apr-25 03:36 PM] jvaler#0000 i think this is about prunplanner [04-Apr-25 03:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Heh sorry [04-Apr-25 03:37 PM] whitefox8#0000 yeah, prunplanner is only in english [04-Apr-25 03:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I am watching spy x family so {Reactions} ❤️ [04-Apr-25 03:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I’m distracted [04-Apr-25 03:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :AnyaYay: [04-Apr-25 04:20 PM] jab.sh#0000 does AGP need more lenders? [04-Apr-25 04:28 PM] pxlfox.#0000 There is nothing wrong with participating [04-Apr-25 04:29 PM] pxlfox.#0000 But I’m not sure at what point it makes sense for one to give back [04-Apr-25 04:29 PM] jab.sh#0000 I have some good liquidity now [04-Apr-25 04:30 PM] sidepipe#0000 There is never any obligation, but you’re always welcome to fund a grant! [04-Apr-25 04:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 Your role may also change if you do 😄 [04-Apr-25 04:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 So if you’re at a point where you feel like you can fund a grant, just feel free to pay out the next one 🙂 {Reactions} 👍 [04-Apr-25 04:32 PM] pxlfox.#0000 It’s a first comes first serves kinda system, isn’t it? [04-Apr-25 04:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, because we were all too lazy to find a better way 😄 {Reactions} 🤣 [04-Apr-25 04:32 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'm an idiot and just realized grants are grants, not loans 😄 but I can still do that. does ADI have a loan program too? or just in PSK? [04-Apr-25 04:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 Just PSK, but I do sometimes do loans for folks as well. There’s just nothing official for it [04-Apr-25 04:33 PM] jab.sh#0000 gotcha [04-Apr-25 04:33 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'll keep an eye out then [04-Apr-25 04:34 PM] jvaler#0000 we have a loan program insofar as a couple members offer loans personally, including myself {Reactions} 👍 [04-Apr-25 04:35 PM] jvaler#0000 usually such offers are posted to #bulletin-board [04-Apr-25 04:35 PM] sidepipe#0000 Maybe we need an Antares Development Bank channel [04-Apr-25 04:35 PM] jab.sh#0000 speaking of, I can take down my DNPC post [04-Apr-25 04:35 PM] jvaler#0000 could be a good idea 🧐 [04-Apr-25 04:35 PM] jab.sh#0000 and AFC [04-Apr-25 04:35 PM] jvaler#0000 tyty [04-Apr-25 04:36 PM] jvaler#0000 @jab.sh was the bulletin channel useful in recruiting? [04-Apr-25 04:36 PM] jab.sh#0000 I think I got one from there? most of the people I got were by lurking in #server-airlock 😅 [04-Apr-25 04:36 PM] jvaler#0000 hmm okay [04-Apr-25 04:38 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'm happy to talk discord/bot strategy though, I run a few bots & servers. [04-Apr-25 04:39 PM] jvaler#0000 i dunno, just gauging the usefulness of the channel [04-Apr-25 04:39 PM] jvaler#0000 1 recruit from it is a win in my book tho, given how many people don't even get past the airlock lol {Reactions} 👍 [04-Apr-25 04:40 PM] jab.sh#0000 ngl there's kind of a lot of channels here [04-Apr-25 04:40 PM] jab.sh#0000 and it's not always obvious what channels are for what [04-Apr-25 04:40 PM] jvaler#0000 that's true... [04-Apr-25 04:40 PM] jab.sh#0000 speaking of should we move to #associate-office 😄 [04-Apr-25 04:40 PM] jvaler#0000 oop [04-Apr-25 04:43 PM] igfloz#0000 My experience... and I've been here a while. Yes - a lot of channels, one of the first things I did when joining was to mute at least half of them, maybe more. This leads to myself actually missing a lot of information and actually missing new projects that have been discussed, that I might have joined in on (Thats all my bad) [04-Apr-25 04:44 PM] igfloz#0000 ...but #bulletin-board - never looked at it , never will (unless, someone points me to it as a response to a query I have) [05-Apr-25 01:55 AM] aromis#0000 Hi! Does anyone have any tips on what to use My AL for? I have production of about 200/day Currently selling it all, but thinking about maybe construkting another base and maybe use it :) Anyone got any tips? [05-Apr-25 02:02 AM] laaxus#0000 use MAT AL to see what the AL is used for [05-Apr-25 02:02 AM] vanarazor#0000 click on buffer MAT AL = > uses [05-Apr-25 02:03 AM] jcheung#0000 construction is common [05-Apr-25 02:03 AM] laaxus#0000 200 AL per day is a little bit less (25% ?) than the consumption of a PP2 base [05-Apr-25 02:03 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1357973983336599732/image.png?ex=68151713&is=6813c593&hm=f3b9f2ff9bdc95197a3d97c806a18d36ff78275f0ec7fce1fd8f395ff68b5ebf& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1357973983659688077/image.png?ex=68151713&is=6813c593&hm=9ca735c6f1dda5854f612b11a742e2159b26a4561101c61be5d19d1f15ca7b7c& [05-Apr-25 02:05 AM] vanarazor#0000 If I had 200AL/s I would probably go for a PP2 base on Nike junior : ZV-194b {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1357974428545454161/image.png?ex=6815177d&is=6813c5fd&hm=987646ff20c652ac7ae54126e11876f68e3cdbb2e1b4401c0c72f46152a3d2fe& [05-Apr-25 02:06 AM] vanarazor#0000 but best to compare all the different bases you can do with an AL production and look for profit and cost of such a base [05-Apr-25 02:06 AM] jcheung#0000 why not nike itself? [05-Apr-25 02:07 AM] vanarazor#0000 IMO Nike would be best suited for pp3-pp4 [05-Apr-25 02:08 AM] .urpalhal#0000 It’s not like it’s hard to swap to that later [05-Apr-25 02:08 AM] jcheung#0000 nike itself offers a better warehouse, which can be helpful when starting out [05-Apr-25 02:10 AM] jcheung#0000 nike jr is actually a ways farther along than i remember it 😅 i take back my comment [05-Apr-25 02:10 AM] vanarazor#0000 if I had a pp2 base on Nike jr, I 'd go for a pp3 pp4 on Nike later on no need for a swap [05-Apr-25 02:11 AM] jcheung#0000 i think this is the POPI i remember seeing, which.... i guess i haven't looked in a long time {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1357975877178228906/image.png?ex=681518d7&is=6813c757&hm=ac125c482df5182999f1f936af853d48c2b327a731bd2bee0dbffb2ccef65d2c& [05-Apr-25 02:11 AM] jcheung#0000 much better state now [05-Apr-25 02:13 AM] laaxus#0000 you can always change that later [05-Apr-25 02:13 AM] laaxus#0000 a base is not set in stone [05-Apr-25 02:13 AM] laaxus#0000 PP3 is not needed there's an overproduction atm [05-Apr-25 02:13 AM] laaxus#0000 and PP4 ... well he can wait a year [05-Apr-25 02:13 AM] jcheung#0000 yeah, there's not a huge downside right now though [05-Apr-25 02:14 AM] jcheung#0000 meanwhile, me considering placing some more PP3's [05-Apr-25 02:17 AM] laaxus#0000 as long as you know you'll consumme them, its ok [05-Apr-25 02:17 AM] laaxus#0000 but if you expect to sell them at ask [05-Apr-25 02:17 AM] laaxus#0000 well gl [05-Apr-25 02:19 AM] aromis#0000 Thank you guys! ^^ [05-Apr-25 02:19 AM] evov#0000 I'm seeing good margins on most of the Rfabs at the moment. I also think that Afabs (and by extension Rfabs) have virtually unlimited demand due to late game HQ upgrade costs. {Reactions} 👆 [05-Apr-25 02:20 AM] jcheung#0000 want to make my own repair mats >.> so friggen expensive [05-Apr-25 02:20 AM] jcheung#0000 currently have nike split out to make a bit of everything, but that's not enough 😦 [05-Apr-25 02:22 AM] laaxus#0000 unlimited demand does not mean that the market is liquid ! [05-Apr-25 02:23 AM] laaxus#0000 tho that I agree that there should be more demand that i've experienced so far 🤔 [05-Apr-25 02:24 AM] evov#0000 How do you measure how liquid the market is? [05-Apr-25 02:25 AM] jcheung#0000 by how many paper towels it takes {Reactions} 😂 (2) ❤️ 🍉 [05-Apr-25 02:25 AM] jcheung#0000 to clean up [05-Apr-25 02:26 AM] laaxus#0000 I admit I have no tools to measure "liquidity" [05-Apr-25 02:26 AM] laaxus#0000 best one could be maybe the # of transaction per day ? but it wouldn't take account of the size of said transaction [05-Apr-25 02:27 AM] laaxus#0000 and daily/weekly sales are not comparable between mats [05-Apr-25 02:29 AM] evov#0000 People can use whatever metrics they want... but for me, I look at weekly global trade on the CX, vs global CX supply. It's one of the main indicators I use if I'm looking at markets that are stressed. Less than 1 week supply on the CX = indicator of coming shortages. Most of the Rfabs are floating around the 2 week area.. which feels pretty normal from where I'm sitting. [05-Apr-25 02:31 AM] aromis#0000 How do you look att weekly CX ? [05-Apr-25 02:33 AM] evov#0000 MEA - as an example of a stressed market - 7 day trade of 14k ish. Supply of 8k ish. [05-Apr-25 02:34 AM] evov#0000 cxm MAT command {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1357981610212982854/image.png?ex=6814756d&is=681323ed&hm=375843a36740d7fe317618a7c54dc85b1637bd54d967b66f37e78039893991cf& [05-Apr-25 02:35 AM] jcheung#0000 i think it's worse than that [05-Apr-25 02:35 AM] evov#0000 Looking at material that (to me) is over-supplied - PDA -> 6-7k supply, <1k weekly trade {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1357982080319094884/image.png?ex=681475de&is=6813245e&hm=6013acbbf5f7fe8175a87d86beb3acc74222bcda54e18e3213f652a8d6cbc959& [05-Apr-25 02:36 AM] jcheung#0000 looking at 7 day lead on mea, only around 20k is being produced a week by top 25 [05-Apr-25 02:37 AM] jcheung#0000 and i doubt half of that sees the market since i recognize a few people with IDC bases (myself included) [05-Apr-25 02:40 AM] evov#0000 Yea, unfortunately when looking at CX markets, I can really only consider orders posted / public trade. Using your MEA example - where a good amount of production doesn't make it to the market.... the same is true for stock held. For example, I have more MEA in my warehouse than is currently available on the ANT CX. [05-Apr-25 02:41 AM] jcheung#0000 yeah [05-Apr-25 02:42 AM] jcheung#0000 oh. should we take this out of AGP 😅 [05-Apr-25 02:43 AM] evov#0000 Was just saying - if someone is interested in making Rfabs - market looks healthy - go for it. {Reactions} 👍 [05-Apr-25 03:09 AM] aromis#0000 What does Rfabs stand for? Refinery? [05-Apr-25 03:11 AM] jcheung#0000 R-fabs [05-Apr-25 03:11 AM] jcheung#0000 RSE, RDE, RSE, RTA {Reactions} 👆 [05-Apr-25 03:12 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1357991241585004735/image.png?ex=68147e66&is=68132ce6&hm=fe20a556141cb33de8f2a114481c1fa4bde2628a8af5c6421db6e8fe0096b5c9& [05-Apr-25 03:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Constructions prefabs (pfabs) are often further differentiated in there “tiers”: bfabs, lfabs, rfabs and afabs [05-Apr-25 03:12 AM] aromis#0000 Ahh I see! Thx! [05-Apr-25 03:21 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Very good question :givelove: {Reactions} 😀 (2) [05-Apr-25 12:49 PM] jcheung#0000 (Those are REFs) [05-Apr-25 01:47 PM] jab.sh#0000 200 is enough for a bbh or bse base but you need to source lst {Reactions} 👆 [05-Apr-25 01:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It’s enough for what I run on Nikr [05-Apr-25 01:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 (Lil bit of everything) [05-Apr-25 04:17 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I want a grant for making a fuel base [05-Apr-25 04:17 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Please [05-Apr-25 04:18 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 :funnypleading: [05-Apr-25 05:05 PM] vanarazor#0000 xD [05-Apr-25 05:06 PM] vanarazor#0000 BSE is only 96 AL/day [05-Apr-25 05:36 PM] jab.sh#0000 exactly, 200 is enough [05-Apr-25 06:10 PM] vanarazor#0000 Yeah I was implying that you could make 2 BSE base 🙂 [07-Apr-25 08:29 PM] harucyber#0000 if I got premium for a week, am i eligible for the grant? [07-Apr-25 08:29 PM] harucyber#0000 gifted, so i wont have basic afterwards [07-Apr-25 08:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah [07-Apr-25 08:37 PM] harucyber#0000 yay [07-Apr-25 08:37 PM] harucyber#0000 idk tho don't like taking free things [07-Apr-25 08:37 PM] harucyber#0000 but i'll keep it in mind 🙏 [07-Apr-25 08:41 PM] tanda#0000 I've got this, or I've got a few time codes as part of the supporter packs {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1358979921241968730/image.png?ex=6814cb6d&is=681379ed&hm=56961d36030978c5f56c10aeefeda42b8b2fa6d0e482bbb1780ab09952f64c4b& [07-Apr-25 08:41 PM] tanda#0000 let me know, the supporter pack codes are no good to anybody if nobody wants them [07-Apr-25 08:45 PM] harucyber#0000 what is a supporter pack? [07-Apr-25 08:46 PM] harucyber#0000 I have a week from a deal I'm doing with a transport agency [07-Apr-25 08:46 PM] harucyber#0000 but thats it [07-Apr-25 08:48 PM] tanda#0000 a supporter pack is a set amount of money that is a bit pricier than normal sub time, but comes with some additional perks, like naming a planet {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1358981796091400395/image.png?ex=6814cd2c&is=68137bac&hm=6831add4cd5f93de4648b8c2c1430c1af67b21853575dded72718cf7820c6d22& [07-Apr-25 08:48 PM] tanda#0000 Or a system {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1358981902043709633/image.png?ex=6814cd46&is=68137bc6&hm=8d16dfac5f9a3d8d72afc34c4524c0d957a2cf479b1ddbb4c22216613ae067e7& [07-Apr-25 08:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1358984010327523429/image.png?ex=6814cf3c&is=68137dbc&hm=be0210b6ae38bda80fa32450cb9eebef163d2a128f585dda920645bb7a685113& [07-Apr-25 08:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and a fancy badge [07-Apr-25 08:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but they give us pro trial codes [07-Apr-25 09:04 PM] harucyber#0000 do those trial codes count as gifts? [07-Apr-25 09:05 PM] harucyber#0000 so they go back to FREE? or do they go back to basic? [07-Apr-25 09:06 PM] tanda#0000 They're a little worse than gifts. You can only claim one ever, and they roll you back to FREE {Reactions} 👆 (2) [07-Apr-25 09:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but they are a month? a week? can't remember [07-Apr-25 09:10 PM] tanda#0000 a month, iirc [07-Apr-25 09:26 PM] harucyber#0000 thats not bad [07-Apr-25 09:26 PM] harucyber#0000 a month is a month [07-Apr-25 09:26 PM] harucyber#0000 but its fine i'm just doing some random transports rn [07-Apr-25 09:27 PM] harucyber#0000 and i might just buy 8 euro for basic {Reactions} RSNoodleWiggle (2) [07-Apr-25 09:28 PM] harucyber#0000 I will have to get a prepaid card tho, beacuse I mostly carry cash 🥴 [07-Apr-25 09:28 PM] harucyber#0000 inconvenience for me but whatever [07-Apr-25 09:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ultimately up to you [07-Apr-25 09:29 PM] harucyber#0000 yeah works [07-Apr-25 09:29 PM] harucyber#0000 i have a weeks worth rn [07-Apr-25 09:29 PM] harucyber#0000 so i'll make a quick buck doing LM transport missions and then i'll figure it out frrom there {Reactions} 🫡 (2) [07-Apr-25 09:31 PM] harucyber#0000 next week while i'm getting groceries or whatever i'll just pay for a prepaid card and get a months worth to get basic [07-Apr-25 09:31 PM] harucyber#0000 from what i can tell, not too much difference in PRO vs Basic [07-Apr-25 09:31 PM] harucyber#0000 other than like more ships and bases [07-Apr-25 09:32 PM] jvaler#0000 for a sizeable player the first biggest difference is no recurring orders [07-Apr-25 09:32 PM] harucyber#0000 what does that mean? [07-Apr-25 09:33 PM] jvaler#0000 you have to manually queue every production order [07-Apr-25 09:33 PM] jvaler#0000 and if you forget you waste money on lost production time [07-Apr-25 09:35 PM] harucyber#0000 oh thats not a big deal [07-Apr-25 09:35 PM] harucyber#0000 other than QOL, are there any limitations for basic compared to pro? [07-Apr-25 09:38 PM] tanda#0000 without recurring orders, you're probably going to dislike going over more than about 6 bases [07-Apr-25 09:39 PM] tanda#0000 past that: Basic can only fly 2 ships, cannot upgrade ships, cannot build ships, cannot send contracts but only accept them [07-Apr-25 09:40 PM] harucyber#0000 honestly thats good enough for what im doing [07-Apr-25 09:40 PM] harucyber#0000 even if we have more than 2 ships we can't fly with basic? [07-Apr-25 09:40 PM] harucyber#0000 darns [07-Apr-25 09:42 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, it's probably the biggest restriction, imo [07-Apr-25 09:42 PM] tanda#0000 you can juggle orders all you like, but logistics will not be denied [07-Apr-25 09:43 PM] harucyber#0000 logistics is kinda cooked [07-Apr-25 09:43 PM] harucyber#0000 but thats part of the fun ig [07-Apr-25 09:44 PM] harucyber#0000 for me its literally just one ship, the other one is around the galaxy somehwere doing shipments [07-Apr-25 09:44 PM] harucyber#0000 i have one ship on Harmonia rn doing my supply runs and stuff, but then I have another ship doing random runs in Benton and Hortus 😂 [07-Apr-25 09:44 PM] harucyber#0000 whats why i would hire transporters ig lol [07-Apr-25 10:19 PM] jcheung#0000 they're better than gifts. gifts also send you back to free iirc [07-Apr-25 11:28 PM] evany.#0000 i thought you were wrong, but actually i think your right. the key is just a straight 1 month pro subscription, so i think you do revert back to basic - but its not entirely clear about that. [07-Apr-25 11:40 PM] harucyber#0000 it reverts to BASIC or FREE [07-Apr-25 11:40 PM] harucyber#0000 i thought it was to FREE reverts to? [07-Apr-25 11:42 PM] realharvey#0000 Everything that you didn't pay yourself will revert you to free [07-Apr-25 11:48 PM] evany.#0000 i _feel_ like harvey is right, but the way it reads to me on https://prosperousuniverse.com/perks/codes suggests to me that jcheung is right [07-Apr-25 11:49 PM] evany.#0000 truth be told, i at least don't know. i already was pro before i used a key so, who knows. [07-Apr-25 11:49 PM] evany.#0000 if a newbro wants to science/test it, DM me and i'll give you a key [07-Apr-25 11:50 PM] pagy1234#0000 are they not saying the same thing? [07-Apr-25 11:50 PM] pagy1234#0000 gifts and codes revert to free [07-Apr-25 11:56 PM] harucyber#0000 some said revert to basic [07-Apr-25 11:56 PM] evany.#0000 the way i read jcheung is gifts set you back to free but codes go to basic [07-Apr-25 11:57 PM] harucyber#0000 im pretty sure it was free as well [07-Apr-25 11:57 PM] harucyber#0000 gifts are free i know that [07-Apr-25 11:57 PM] harucyber#0000 i have a ss hold up [07-Apr-25 11:57 PM] harucyber#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1359029340716667013/image.png?ex=6814f974&is=6813a7f4&hm=77cda8424a7dbbb5e5a13d17f4d4e649532770e87147fdd343cef3818fa41157& [07-Apr-25 11:57 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah gifts go back to free [07-Apr-25 11:57 PM] harucyber#0000 im not sure what the other one says [07-Apr-25 11:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 also free [07-Apr-25 11:57 PM] harucyber#0000 oh ok [07-Apr-25 11:59 PM] evany.#0000 yeah code doesn't suggest that though. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1359029865289879633/image.png?ex=6814f9f1&is=6813a871&hm=2efaf2d7bc5a28feef0e859d4b8a9b8b628e866d44fdbd191354f4cef7b70caa& [07-Apr-25 11:59 PM] jab.sh#0000 pretty sure the only way to get basic is to put in your own money [08-Apr-25 12:00 AM] jab.sh#0000 do you have to be a supporter to get keys? [08-Apr-25 12:00 AM] realharvey#0000 That is correct [08-Apr-25 12:00 AM] realharvey#0000 Also correct {Reactions} 👍 [08-Apr-25 12:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 I know it does revert to FREE though, when I had it, it went straight to FREE after it ended [08-Apr-25 02:11 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 to me it felt like i actually started playing the game after i recieved my grant, it set me up for decently fast expansion {Reactions} 👆 (2) [08-Apr-25 02:11 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 didnt feel limiting to me [08-Apr-25 03:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The 1 mil grant sounds like a lot of free money, but in the great scheme of things, it isn’t really. I changes the trajectory for new players by 3-6 months, but is for the most mid- to endgame players just there daily profit (or even less) I would most warmly recommend to apply for one, because this game is stupidly slow. You’ll have your first base financed and a first stable income, which allows you to actually play the game and not just wait 3 months for productions to complete. {Reactions} 👍 (3) [08-Apr-25 12:54 PM] wiseor#0000 Hmm, it would cost 998k to fully expand my base 😄 [08-Apr-25 12:55 PM] potaterror#0000 Toss out the PrunPlanner build and what your longer term aspirations are. [08-Apr-25 12:56 PM] potaterror#0000 Just realized that could be misconstrued -- I meant post 'em here, not trash them. =p [08-Apr-25 12:57 PM] wiseor#0000 That's the problem, I'm not yet sure what the long term plan is. The field is vastly different from the last time i played [08-Apr-25 12:58 PM] potaterror#0000 Well, if your immediate plan is a solid one it'll probably give you a good foundation to pivot off of to most anything anyway. [08-Apr-25 12:58 PM] potaterror#0000 Even if it isn't ultimately related. [08-Apr-25 01:00 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, thats a good point, you can generally do anything profitable early on, and very easily rotate to something that you actually look towards doing later on, when you have some moeny [08-Apr-25 01:00 PM] potaterror#0000 The long term bit was mostly to attempt to solicit options that might work better rather than solely weighing a base on its own merits. [08-Apr-25 01:00 PM] wiseor#0000 My initial plan is to go full RAT, seeing how empty it is on the CX and has been for a while [08-Apr-25 01:01 PM] pagy1234#0000 Like I wanna make my own ships, so I started out bottling water and selling rations, but now im on my way to start making all sorts of plastics to lead myself into ship parts :D [08-Apr-25 01:01 PM] wiseor#0000 It's what worked the last time but then i was on Promitor [08-Apr-25 01:02 PM] wiseor#0000 Sounds nice 😄 The markets seems more diverse than last time i played too which is very nice [08-Apr-25 01:02 PM] pagy1234#0000 what planet are you on? [08-Apr-25 01:02 PM] wiseor#0000 Harmonia atm [08-Apr-25 01:02 PM] potaterror#0000 RATs are a rough place to be, the MM will ultimately cap your profits. On the other hand, a farm base can swap to HER once you've got the bankroll for DDT. [08-Apr-25 01:02 PM] wiseor#0000 My start wasn't ideal but I didn't want to start at Promitor again, wanted another sector 😄 [08-Apr-25 01:03 PM] pagy1234#0000 harmonia is good, you can easily start out farming anything you want, then move to RAT and then FIM later [08-Apr-25 01:03 PM] pagy1234#0000 Norwick is a perfect spot for a FP base [08-Apr-25 01:03 PM] pagy1234#0000 and its pretty close to harmonia [08-Apr-25 01:03 PM] wiseor#0000 Ye, RAT at ANT right now seems doable for a solid foundation [08-Apr-25 01:04 PM] wiseor#0000 Ye, that was my plan when i max Harmonia out, move the FP's [08-Apr-25 01:04 PM] pagy1234#0000 its guaranteed consistent profit, but the MM limits how good it actually would get [08-Apr-25 01:05 PM] pagy1234#0000 the profits are good to start, but RAT especially should be something you vertically integrate, or repurpose the bases of later to make the real money [08-Apr-25 01:05 PM] wiseor#0000 Yep. That part I need to figure out tho 😄 [08-Apr-25 01:06 PM] wiseor#0000 About two years ago I would do RAT/DW for some governors so they didn't need to think about it, eventually had enough to build a planetary admin on a planet and become a governor 😄 [08-Apr-25 01:07 PM] jcheung#0000 I mean rats are about almost double the price they used to be a year ago {Reactions} ☝️ 🐀 [08-Apr-25 01:07 PM] wiseor#0000 When i ran them they were about 75, iirc. The market now is kind of weird to me {Reactions} 💯 [08-Apr-25 01:08 PM] pagy1234#0000 many players moved to higher teir stuff, there just too much other stuff that make more money I guess [08-Apr-25 01:09 PM] wiseor#0000 Don't get me wrong, I love that it's like this because a lot of the stuff back then wasn't used at all [08-Apr-25 01:41 PM] wiseor#0000 That's what the current projection looks like {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1359236634385584178/Skarmbild_2025-04-08_204005.png?ex=681511c3&is=6813c043&hm=de2193ad86f23356d92e62efbf7d1eee2b1a03b492a3c169afb9af0b6c1365af& [08-Apr-25 01:42 PM] jab.sh#0000 you should add COF and PWO {Reactions} 👆 [08-Apr-25 01:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Luxury goods increase efficiency [08-Apr-25 01:45 PM] wiseor#0000 Yes but I'm very low on funds atm 😄 [08-Apr-25 01:45 PM] wiseor#0000 Account is 3 days old [08-Apr-25 01:46 PM] jab.sh#0000 you're here for a grant right? 🙂 [08-Apr-25 01:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No we get that but like in your plan for a grant you should include [08-Apr-25 01:46 PM] wiseor#0000 Ah ok [08-Apr-25 01:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You’ll get like 1 mill for building and supplying your base [08-Apr-25 01:48 PM] wiseor#0000 there's the new one {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1359238379451056168/Skarmbild_2025-04-08_204753.png?ex=68151363&is=6813c1e3&hm=d1fff47440c7503650c5dc89c3d34d5cde8a1ebb3ba8b3dafaa082b1166272e4& {Reactions} danceboi (2) [08-Apr-25 01:48 PM] jab.sh#0000 can you share the prunplanner link? {Reactions} 👆 [08-Apr-25 01:48 PM] jab.sh#0000 also since you already have H2O it may make sense to make some DW {Reactions} 👆 [08-Apr-25 01:49 PM] jab.sh#0000 but that doesn't really change the plan, that's just your production queue {Reactions} 👆 [08-Apr-25 01:49 PM] wiseor#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/59129109-97b6-412f-80c7-5a4f40e7adc4 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/59129109-97b6-412f-80c7-5a4f40e7adc4 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [08-Apr-25 01:50 PM] wiseor#0000 Ye I throw in DW to not run out [08-Apr-25 01:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 we generally encourage 1 permit bases, since permits 2 and 3 only give you 250 space [08-Apr-25 01:51 PM] wiseor#0000 Haven't added that to the planner tho. Also need to balance with experts, can't remember how many you get max [08-Apr-25 01:52 PM] jab.sh#0000 5 per industry, 6 total [08-Apr-25 01:52 PM] wiseor#0000 Thank you 🙂 [08-Apr-25 01:53 PM] wiseor#0000 You usually go to new planets after maxing 500? [08-Apr-25 01:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yep [08-Apr-25 01:54 PM] jab.sh#0000 yep [08-Apr-25 01:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Permits get expensive fast [08-Apr-25 01:54 PM] wiseor#0000 Got extra ships? [08-Apr-25 01:54 PM] wiseor#0000 Always had problems with transport before [08-Apr-25 01:55 PM] jab.sh#0000 for a base like this, 1 ship a week or even every other week is plenty. [08-Apr-25 01:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 In #psk-operations you can upgrade your beginner ships and I was ok on ships till my 5-6 th bases [08-Apr-25 01:55 PM] jab.sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1359240331362828479/screenshot_20250408125530.png?ex=68151534&is=6813c3b4&hm=0745a47fa4348ecbd85cfb8093e6d9cd41f97cc6969e537e9fabd27df8d08090& [08-Apr-25 01:56 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah, if you get the 1k/3k from #psk-operations you need to visit once a week to pick up exports, but for supplies and repairs, you can do those a lot less often [08-Apr-25 01:58 PM] wiseor#0000 I'll revisit my plans ^^ {Reactions} 👍 (2) [08-Apr-25 04:56 PM] harucyber#0000 will think about it [08-Apr-25 04:56 PM] harucyber#0000 i have PRO acc rn [08-Apr-25 04:56 PM] harucyber#0000 but expiers in a few days [08-Apr-25 04:57 PM] harucyber#0000 plus early game is boring af [08-Apr-25 04:57 PM] harucyber#0000 i would love guidance compared to starting capital but I don't want to be too much of a bother [08-Apr-25 04:59 PM] jab.sh#0000 please be a bother, it's how you learn 🙂 {Reactions} 👆 [08-Apr-25 11:17 PM] vanarazor#0000 sadly there is no cheese in this game yet!!! get your head around prplanner, it 's a useful tool that you are going to consult quite often. Set up a base plan that would require some funds (roughly about a mil) I did apply for a grant when I started almost 2 months ago but slightly reduced the plan to keep some cash to buy consumables. The idea that I have of the game at start was not entirely "optimised" for profits, but now I understand that your goal is to make as much profits as you can plan while having some fun in your projects. I try to maximize profits where I can, even after a few bases the game is still quite slow, try to find your fun [08-Apr-25 11:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 That was two months ago 🧐😅 [08-Apr-25 11:52 PM] vanarazor#0000 yup : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1359390417543626845/image.png?ex=6814f83b&is=6813a6bb&hm=92253b57764546b9a7ff49e50122f83ac59c5b05aeecd60393494018b9308d56& [08-Apr-25 11:52 PM] vanarazor#0000 roughly [09-Apr-25 11:03 AM] whitefox8#0000 Hello, the first link is my current base. The second link is the base that I would build with the 1 Million AIC. Feel free to give me the money 🙂 [09-Apr-25 11:03 AM] whitefox8#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/7a1a52d8-4be6-49bd-9389-d560a3b94880 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/7a1a52d8-4be6-49bd-9389-d560a3b94880 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Apr-25 11:03 AM] whitefox8#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/07a8758e-d08b-4480-b40a-e73e8d9bc0cf {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/07a8758e-d08b-4480-b40a-e73e8d9bc0cf PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Apr-25 11:06 AM] archielvahr#0000 So your plan for ZV-759e - it requires both HSE and INS, so it will be fairly expensive. What's the cost of that base? [09-Apr-25 11:07 AM] archielvahr#0000 Also make sure to assign some experts, it will change the balance a bit of mats. [09-Apr-25 11:07 AM] whitefox8#0000 `18:00` it was 960K now it is 1,5 Million .... Well that is very annoying [09-Apr-25 11:08 AM] whitefox8#0000 I might have changed something... [09-Apr-25 11:08 AM] whitefox8#0000 but I dont know what [09-Apr-25 11:08 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah HSE is expensive no matter what. Prices do fluctuate but not generalyl that much. And it depends a bit on what price configuration you have. PP7 should be more stable, put opinions vary on that. [09-Apr-25 11:09 AM] whitefox8#0000 I wanted to build a base for BDE, LTA and the other resources that are needed for bases and maybe also fuel. But that seems to be to expensive, even for 1 Million. [09-Apr-25 11:10 AM] archielvahr#0000 Overall the base is a pretty unconventional design, but I am cool funding it. The one REF is the only thing getting the COGC bonus, but I see what you are doing with the glass and BTA/LTA. And it ends up being pretty low shipping [09-Apr-25 11:10 AM] archielvahr#0000 What is the ROI that prunplanner is reporting for that base? [09-Apr-25 11:11 AM] whitefox8#0000 I mean maybe I can do at first more in the way of producing fuel and when I have anoth money I could build the BDE, LTA and the other stuff? [09-Apr-25 11:11 AM] jab.sh#0000 I'd probably ditch the PP2 and GF and focus on SF [09-Apr-25 11:11 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah. [09-Apr-25 11:11 AM] archielvahr#0000 And Deimos is much cheaper to build on- you will get better returns filling out the deimos base first [09-Apr-25 11:11 AM] whitefox8#0000 130d [09-Apr-25 11:12 AM] archielvahr#0000 especially if you can match the COGC on Deimos [09-Apr-25 11:12 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah you really want to aim for an ROI closer to 15-20 days [09-Apr-25 11:12 AM] whitefox8#0000 what does this mean? [09-Apr-25 11:12 AM] whitefox8#0000 ROI [09-Apr-25 11:13 AM] archielvahr#0000 unfortunately the shared bases feature doesn't show the costs / ROI [09-Apr-25 11:13 AM] archielvahr#0000 Return on investment- [09-Apr-25 11:13 AM] archielvahr#0000 it's the point where you've made back the money you spent to build the base [09-Apr-25 11:13 AM] jab.sh#0000 do you know if prunplanner ROI accounts for repairs? [09-Apr-25 11:14 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yep it does {Reactions} 👍 [09-Apr-25 11:14 AM] jab.sh#0000 nice [09-Apr-25 11:14 AM] whitefox8#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1359562200225812580/Eisen___PRUNplanner_Opera_09.04.2025_18_14_18.png?ex=6814ef77&is=68139df7&hm=493fcea9d5a7ded1d785c8bc1190fea364ae890b1e5ad3b272e144172f270793& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1359562200695574651/Eisen___PRUNplanner_Opera_09.04.2025_18_13_33.png?ex=6814ef78&is=68139df8&hm=b874463ef8188d58cdb77dc449b4919197b4999e395ebea02440a4289a3b74d8& [09-Apr-25 11:15 AM] whitefox8#0000 Ok, so I will build a new base for 759-e, give me a moment [09-Apr-25 11:15 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah, that's pretty rough [09-Apr-25 11:15 AM] archielvahr#0000 Here's an example: [09-Apr-25 11:15 AM] archielvahr#0000 https://kortham.net/temp/firefox_DChXKEmGyy.png {Embed} https://kortham.net/temp/firefox_DChXKEmGyy.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/k4hCXIEsYyDaVTqqTt5XEsEn--rtrJCGdSA_brGgWeQ/https/kortham.net/temp/firefox_DChXKEmGyy.png [09-Apr-25 11:16 AM] pagy1234#0000 stop, 130d ROI is abysmal [09-Apr-25 11:16 AM] jab.sh#0000 is there enough HCP for that? 😄 [09-Apr-25 11:16 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah it's an example 😛 [09-Apr-25 11:17 AM] jab.sh#0000 200/day but there's 8k on the market 🤔 [09-Apr-25 11:17 AM] archielvahr#0000 So that's a full base of INCs as an example. It has full experts and COGC match, so everything coming out of the base is 160% efficiency. The base costs. It costs 963,449.52 to build, makes 55k per day.. so in 17 days you've made back the cost. [09-Apr-25 11:17 AM] archielvahr#0000 Don't build exactly that, cause it is a lot of shipping [09-Apr-25 11:17 AM] archielvahr#0000 But that's probably the kind of numbers you are looking for [09-Apr-25 11:17 AM] whitefox8#0000 the more buildings I take away the longer the ROI gets. I think this will not work [09-Apr-25 11:17 AM] pagy1234#0000 on any base that isnt a farm, you should aim for at least 60k/d profit, and if the base is more expensive, closer, or past 100k.d is better. of course you need to make sure that your ROI is less than 20-30 days, below 15d is. a very strong base [09-Apr-25 11:18 AM] pagy1234#0000 that means that what you are trying to produce there is not profitable [09-Apr-25 11:19 AM] whitefox8#0000 Is there a button to tell Prunplanner that I have this buildings already? [09-Apr-25 11:19 AM] archielvahr#0000 759-e will have really high costs no matter what. You will have better luck with your first few bases on "triple green" planets- ones that don't require extra building materials for an extreme environment [09-Apr-25 11:19 AM] whitefox8#0000 so that it is not counting tjem into ROI [09-Apr-25 11:20 AM] whitefox8#0000 but hte most I was seeing where not having the right resources. [09-Apr-25 11:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 It is a very bad Idea to extract GAL, H, SIO or AMM on that planet... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1359563533192397004/Screenshot_2025-04-10_at_12.20.01_AM.png?ex=6814f0b5&is=68139f35&hm=ae0eec3e101bca17e004ca417cc071a8149c545038cadfcfcaf7ee3b2e4d75f3& {Reactions} 👆 (2) 👍 [09-Apr-25 11:20 AM] archielvahr#0000 They still count into the ROI- you can remove them from the construction cart when calculating that cost. But even if they are already built, they still have repair costs {Reactions} 👍 [09-Apr-25 11:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 thats fine, you can always buy things from CX [09-Apr-25 11:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 or you can set up more than one base and extract from high yield planets [09-Apr-25 11:21 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah, especially for things like Oxygen for smelters, etc... it will be cheaper to buy them on the CX from someone who has a full oxygen extracting setup than to try to eek it out very inefficiently yourself {Reactions} 👆 [09-Apr-25 11:22 AM] jab.sh#0000 I should probably have some bases that aren't in a co-op, I've been trying to think about what I want to do [09-Apr-25 11:23 AM] archielvahr#0000 Farms (on Harmonia) are a good starter option. On Deimos SMEs are good, although you will want to check your income closely because sometimes metals have tight margins. Drinking water is pretty reliable. [09-Apr-25 11:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 @whitefox8 just for your future reference, you will almost never find a planet that has the perfect materials for your needs, you may have to split up extraction across seperate planets, or just buy the materials on CX. [09-Apr-25 11:25 AM] jab.sh#0000 I might do something like this (but spread across planets) and make MEA for myself, and sell excess MTP to AA https://prunplanner.org/shared/41823054-e9ad-4d3c-96d5-85c003fe25f3 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/41823054-e9ad-4d3c-96d5-85c003fe25f3 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Apr-25 11:26 AM] archielvahr#0000 If you have two permits, there is an Agri planet in that system for your hyfs. [09-Apr-25 11:29 AM] jab.sh#0000 yeah [09-Apr-25 11:29 AM] jab.sh#0000 I do indeed have 2 [09-Apr-25 11:30 AM] pagy1234#0000 also an FP planet in that system, I believe I already mentioned that though [09-Apr-25 11:30 AM] jab.sh#0000 yep [09-Apr-25 11:31 AM] archielvahr#0000 I have the quad-fecta and I highly recommend it: https://kortham.net/temp/firefox_1ok2tMrinU.png {Embed} https://kortham.net/temp/firefox_1ok2tMrinU.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/V4dTalOENTxFrWH4BtEC64Mqnr4xZdzZdMQ3nmbAARU/https/kortham.net/temp/firefox_1ok2tMrinU.png {Reactions} 👍 (3) [09-Apr-25 11:33 AM] archielvahr#0000 The other thing I have recommended to new players looking for their second base is manufacturing on Heph. There's a ton of profitable items in this list. The main thing to look for is: make sure whatever you are making is something that sells quickly. Or line up a buyer ahead of time [09-Apr-25 11:33 AM] archielvahr#0000 https://kortham.net/temp/firefox_ClfBr00oBa.png {Embed} https://kortham.net/temp/firefox_ClfBr00oBa.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/XV2OcHZ3JYvXDGeY9_0khvGB2sv06NpldjsiZ1RFF-Q/https/kortham.net/temp/firefox_ClfBr00oBa.png [09-Apr-25 11:34 AM] archielvahr#0000 But a full base (20 BMPs) on Heph costs 940k and can make that back in a week. Just really check the recipe to see how fast the items sell and how available the mats are. PE will be something you can always sell fast and that's got decent returns. [09-Apr-25 11:35 AM] whitefox8#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/0f95b407-d36c-4268-8d27-cc62c1e908af {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/0f95b407-d36c-4268-8d27-cc62c1e908af PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Apr-25 11:35 AM] archielvahr#0000 OVE would sell great, but the COT might be hard to source. PT will sell great, PWO too. [09-Apr-25 11:36 AM] whitefox8#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1359567580079194208/Eisen___PRUNplanner_Opera_09.04.2025_18_35_44.png?ex=6814f47a&is=6813a2fa&hm=b197fd5ee409563a82d4512e127bde39dd35519ac7f99c26f108cb169f58864c& [09-Apr-25 11:36 AM] jab.sh#0000 I will probably end up doing some version of this, cheers {Reactions} 🍻 [09-Apr-25 11:37 AM] whitefox8#0000 Construction costs are around 300K [09-Apr-25 11:37 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah I think that's a lot better. So for that one my question becomes.. does the 14.65d ROI become better or worse if you remove the RIGs? [09-Apr-25 11:38 AM] jab.sh#0000 looks like you could use more RIGs anyway, since you have a water deficit [09-Apr-25 11:38 AM] whitefox8#0000 (better) [09-Apr-25 11:38 AM] jab.sh#0000 but yeah play with the numbers a bit [09-Apr-25 11:38 AM] archielvahr#0000 So it becomes better because the RIGs on other planets are so good that it's cheaper to ship in water at the CX price than to extract your own. That's probably also true for the COL [09-Apr-25 11:38 AM] whitefox8#0000 but worse if I take the FP away [09-Apr-25 11:39 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah DW is so profitable it helps even if it doesn't match the COGC [09-Apr-25 11:39 AM] whitefox8#0000 COL = yes [09-Apr-25 11:39 AM] archielvahr#0000 Deimos is pretty good for ALO extraction, so those EXT doing aluminum ore are probably good [09-Apr-25 11:39 AM] archielvahr#0000 If you overproduce ore you can prpobably sell it locally and save on shipping {Reactions} 💯 [09-Apr-25 11:40 AM] whitefox8#0000 so currently I am at ROI 13.65 [09-Apr-25 11:40 AM] whitefox8#0000 and 71K Profit per day. [09-Apr-25 11:40 AM] whitefox8#0000 no RIGs and no COLs [09-Apr-25 11:41 AM] whitefox8#0000 I was even having the Idea **(long term)** to only extract the resources from the planet and then build/smelt the resources on a better planet. {Reactions} 👍 [09-Apr-25 11:42 AM] jab.sh#0000 Deimos is great for both, but yeah you could get more profit by splitting it, since you can have bigger bases. [09-Apr-25 11:43 AM] whitefox8#0000 so, is this plan now good? Or should I make that better by any chance? [09-Apr-25 11:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 this one looks pretty decent [09-Apr-25 11:46 AM] jab.sh#0000 the FP seems out of place but it does seem solid. does anything other than DW need water? [09-Apr-25 11:46 AM] whitefox8#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/24b6c10a-fc37-4dd4-816e-bc43338adda2 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/24b6c10a-fc37-4dd4-816e-bc43338adda2 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Apr-25 11:46 AM] whitefox8#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1359570137682018340/Eisen___PRUNplanner_Opera_09.04.2025_18_45_50.png?ex=6814f6dc&is=6813a55c&hm=8119fd3e7cfdea7ad277051256d4bbe60d901aeb6e4cd8d5490410670759b745& [09-Apr-25 11:46 AM] whitefox8#0000 even better [09-Apr-25 11:46 AM] archielvahr#0000 I sent the grant! {Reactions} 🎉 👍 [09-Apr-25 11:47 AM] archielvahr#0000 Those AFR might not sell well. There's only one guy in the universe who is regularly buying them and he's a weirdo {Reactions} 🤣 [09-Apr-25 11:47 AM] whitefox8#0000 oh ok, than not. [09-Apr-25 11:47 AM] archielvahr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1359570493937549362/image.png?ex=6814f731&is=6813a5b1&hm=646885a6497c4df89635de45da67bbe93e4c8a39046c75ae0c36bbaf13b1a53d& {Reactions} 😁 [09-Apr-25 11:49 AM] pagy1234#0000 try and go for items that are super liquid, like consumables {Reactions} 👍 💯 [09-Apr-25 11:49 AM] pagy1234#0000 everything else could just not sell for a week and you go bankrupt [09-Apr-25 11:51 AM] archielvahr#0000 But you can always mix in something weird like AFR if you see a buy order you can fill. And hope no one else fills it. I mean I'd buy more if the order got filled and a new player messaged me [09-Apr-25 11:51 AM] jab.sh#0000 or sell into asks if you can afford it [09-Apr-25 11:53 AM] wiseor#0000 I took your guys advice and revisited my plans. Couldn't fit Norwick in as second base and had to use 2 permits on Harmonia to balance things out with Etherwind as second base instead {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1359571909573873705/Skarmbild_2025-04-09_185112.png?ex=6814f882&is=6813a702&hm=adff0fb5385eadce16f7221c0377f6580211f0af75738d09555b3529b48126a7& {Reactions} 👍 [09-Apr-25 11:54 AM] potaterror#0000 Nice thing about FRMs is that if you scale that back to one permit to spend that 2nd permit on another planet once you have more shipping, you're not going to lose a ton in unsalvageable mats. [09-Apr-25 11:55 AM] potaterror#0000 Mind posting what buildings you've got on Harm? [09-Apr-25 11:56 AM] wiseor#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/6ab08765-740a-4be6-83f9-1aa04772a241 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/6ab08765-740a-4be6-83f9-1aa04772a241 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Apr-25 11:56 AM] archielvahr#0000 Did you get your grant yet? [09-Apr-25 11:56 AM] wiseor#0000 I had to revisit my plan 😄 [09-Apr-25 11:58 AM] potaterror#0000 Throw out your Etherwind as well, please. [09-Apr-25 11:58 AM] wiseor#0000 If you approve of it now or have any pointers, I would appreciate it [09-Apr-25 11:59 AM] wiseor#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/15ddaaf5-6db0-4926-92d1-23153fbb89a1 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/15ddaaf5-6db0-4926-92d1-23153fbb89a1 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Apr-25 12:02 PM] archielvahr#0000 I don't particularly have any notes! The rigs on Harmonia could be imported water too. No strong opinions there. I think this is solid and I would probably recommend it to new people in general. [09-Apr-25 12:02 PM] potaterror#0000 I'd probably scrap the Harm rigs and just import it from Etherwind, yeah [09-Apr-25 12:02 PM] archielvahr#0000 Once you get to a third planet, transitioning the FPs to a place that matches the COGC will be a big boost [09-Apr-25 12:03 PM] wiseor#0000 Ye, Norwick would be the next stop and then everything would fit really nicely 🙂 [09-Apr-25 12:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 why etherwind and not norwick? [09-Apr-25 12:03 PM] potaterror#0000 OTOH if you plan on using Harm for HER production one rig isn't going to hurt you, you can run 13 FRMs + 1 RIG and ditch the STO on a 500 area permit [09-Apr-25 12:04 PM] wiseor#0000 Water supply couldn't sustain things [09-Apr-25 12:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 I still need to do this 😅 [09-Apr-25 12:04 PM] potaterror#0000 fffff you're the one that suggested it [09-Apr-25 12:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 nope [09-Apr-25 12:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 it was @jcheung's idea after seeing Chalu's base [09-Apr-25 12:04 PM] jcheung#0000 no [09-Apr-25 12:04 PM] jcheung#0000 it was someone here [09-Apr-25 12:04 PM] potaterror#0000 oh ffs [09-Apr-25 12:04 PM] jcheung#0000 in this channel [09-Apr-25 12:05 PM] potaterror#0000 That's the second time I've mixed up our dubious Js. {Reactions} 🤣 [09-Apr-25 12:05 PM] jab.sh#0000 it doesn't help that we both run AFC 😛 [09-Apr-25 12:05 PM] jcheung#0000 dubious?! 😮 [09-Apr-25 12:06 PM] potaterror#0000 Yeah, I liked it because it made me think of the pair of you like a couple side characters froma Jay & Silent Bob movie. [09-Apr-25 12:06 PM] jcheung#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1254643011980234863/1353104121561092148 this is where i stole the idea from [09-Apr-25 12:07 PM] potaterror#0000 Anyway, @wiseor, it seems solid regardless of any minor RIG tinkering and cheap enough to not sweat the minor changes when you expand. [09-Apr-25 12:07 PM] wiseor#0000 Appreciate it [09-Apr-25 12:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 if you do 2 DW and 3 RAT it makes your excess H2O fall to 8, so you don't need to export water. [09-Apr-25 12:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 not sure what that does to your ROI though [09-Apr-25 12:09 PM] potaterror#0000 It's import-heavy anyway, so the water export shouldn't be much of an issue. [09-Apr-25 12:10 PM] jab.sh#0000 fair point [09-Apr-25 12:11 PM] jab.sh#0000 do whichever is more profitable 😛 [09-Apr-25 12:11 PM] wiseor#0000 It actually made things better, less water excess, more DW export ofc, little less on RAT but overall solid [09-Apr-25 12:11 PM] jab.sh#0000 although 2 DW makes import frequency less too [09-Apr-25 12:11 PM] jcheung#0000 well [09-Apr-25 12:12 PM] wiseor#0000 well, more DW to sell i mean 🙂 [09-Apr-25 12:12 PM] potaterror#0000 Ends up buffering RAT supplies though, 13/d each or so [09-Apr-25 12:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 wat [09-Apr-25 12:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 oh you're looking at both bases [09-Apr-25 12:12 PM] potaterror#0000 Yeah [09-Apr-25 12:12 PM] wiseor#0000 ye [09-Apr-25 12:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 I only had the etherwind one open [09-Apr-25 12:13 PM] jab.sh#0000 but you can always sell the excess rat supplies too [09-Apr-25 12:13 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah 3/1 basically uses all of them, that's nice [09-Apr-25 12:13 PM] potaterror#0000 It's not a big deal either way, that just means you'll have a stack ready to make RATs when you expand to a FP base. [09-Apr-25 12:13 PM] jab.sh#0000 also true [09-Apr-25 12:13 PM] wiseor#0000 Can you guys not see the empire overview? [09-Apr-25 12:13 PM] potaterror#0000 Newp [09-Apr-25 12:14 PM] wiseor#0000 No way to link that either? [09-Apr-25 12:14 PM] jcheung#0000 i would consider more FPs and less rigs on etherwind, using the PG h2o recipe... to... say, 25 FP 3 RIG then importing the harmonia water and topping off from cx [09-Apr-25 12:14 PM] potaterror#0000 I don't know if there is or not. [09-Apr-25 12:15 PM] potaterror#0000 Grant is still for 1M, yeah? [09-Apr-25 12:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 I don't think there is [09-Apr-25 12:15 PM] jcheung#0000 experts on this base are all RE, not FI/RE [09-Apr-25 12:16 PM] wiseor#0000 Missed that. Water is luckily oversupplied [09-Apr-25 12:17 PM] potaterror#0000 Nice thing about experts is that they're free to adjust. [09-Apr-25 12:18 PM] potaterror#0000 I've got one base where I go fiddle with them every couple months to shift between extraction and production. [09-Apr-25 12:19 PM] potaterror#0000 Anyway, sent you a cont for 1M @wiseor [09-Apr-25 12:19 PM] wiseor#0000 Oh, awesome! Thank you! 😄 [09-Apr-25 12:21 PM] wiseor#0000 Stupid question, do i just ask for termination now? [09-Apr-25 12:21 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah [09-Apr-25 12:22 PM] wiseor#0000 Again, thank you @potaterror 🙂 [09-Apr-25 12:22 PM] potaterror#0000 It'd be real awkward if you delivered the CMK the contract requested. =p [09-Apr-25 12:22 PM] jab.sh#0000 oh that's not even something you can make is it? lmao [09-Apr-25 12:22 PM] jab.sh#0000 that's smart [09-Apr-25 12:22 PM] wiseor#0000 Well, I couldn't do it in a day, that's for sure ^^ [09-Apr-25 12:23 PM] potaterror#0000 No problem, thank whoever kicked off the AGP concept to begin with. [09-Apr-25 12:23 PM] potaterror#0000 I mean I guess a newbie could if they had done literally nothing. [09-Apr-25 12:23 PM] wiseor#0000 It's a really nice program. I've already done the slow months before, it's not a pleasant part of the game tbh {Reactions} 💯 [09-Apr-25 12:23 PM] potaterror#0000 But yeah, I use it as my fund transfer contract dummy mat since almost nobody can actually deliver one, so no accidents. {Reactions} 🧠 [09-Apr-25 12:24 PM] jab.sh#0000 although doing 1 RAT for $1m works too, even if they do deliver it [09-Apr-25 12:25 PM] potaterror#0000 Seeing someone deliver a single RAT annoyed me, 'cause it's like...no, this is a financial transaction and now I haven't given you 1M, I've given you 999835. {Reactions} 🤣 (2) [09-Apr-25 12:26 PM] jab.sh#0000 another option is to set the location to like HUB [09-Apr-25 12:26 PM] jab.sh#0000 but yeah using CMK is clean and simple, I like it. [09-Apr-25 12:26 PM] potaterror#0000 Yeah, but when someone flies 1 RAT out there and delivers it to be cheeky I'm going to feel _really_ silly. {Reactions} 🤣 [09-Apr-25 12:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 if a new player actually gave you their CMK, you'd feel pretty silly too. [09-Apr-25 12:28 PM] potaterror#0000 The flip side of that is that I would then be able to post inventory screenshots with a CMK just casually sitting there as ultimate swag. {Reactions} 💯 [09-Apr-25 12:30 PM] jab.sh#0000 now I kinda want to collect CMK 😛 [09-Apr-25 12:30 PM] jab.sh#0000 tell someone to COLIQ, take their CMK, and give them all the core module parts back. [09-Apr-25 12:31 PM] potaterror#0000 And so begins the dark reign of cherry player hunter Jab. [09-Apr-25 12:33 PM] archielvahr#0000 Sorry got distracted at work, looks like someone beat me to the grant 😛 [09-Apr-25 12:53 PM] jvaler#0000 afaik the CMK is actually required to make your first base, regular CM parts can't substitute it [09-Apr-25 12:58 PM] whitefox8#0000 I guess then I should also not send the one water? [09-Apr-25 12:59 PM] archielvahr#0000 doesn't matter, you can cancel it {Reactions} 👍 [09-Apr-25 01:00 PM] archielvahr#0000 I always send it cause I'm lazy and I always have DW on ANT 😆 [09-Apr-25 01:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah that wouldn't surprise me. [09-Apr-25 01:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 the planet you put the CMK on determines your currency right? [09-Apr-25 01:17 PM] jvaler#0000 ~~pretty sure~~ [09-Apr-25 01:19 PM] jvaler#0000 or actually wait isn't etherwind a starter? [09-Apr-25 01:20 PM] jvaler#0000 so it must be which faction you choose on the start screen {Reactions} 👆 [09-Apr-25 01:53 PM] jab.sh#0000 ah right. but the CMK you can put down on full planets {Reactions} ✅ [09-Apr-25 05:51 PM] vanarazor#0000 I wanna do this!! {Reactions} 💯 (2) [09-Apr-25 10:34 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 How do you boys think I can create a metallurgy company with the agp? [09-Apr-25 10:46 PM] vanarazor#0000 I'd say start on Deimos and start melting AL.. however smelting ores requires quite a sturdy shipping power.. and apparentlly selling AL does not get you much profit at the moment so actually may be not but that's up to you You could also use this map and look for a metallurgy COGC (Chamber of global commerce) planet :https://universemap.duckdns.org/. close to your first base would probably be advised.. but up to you. If you could find a planet with the right conditions to enable a cheaper settlement (we call them tripple green: that is **rocky** and not** gazeous**, with the right **temperature** that is not too **cold** nor too **hot **, with **gravity** somewhat liveable without extra survival equipement) I'd add that precious find (_planet name_ ) in prplaner and tick the box : 'Match COGC' to only see the metallugistic buildings, and try out what makes profits under which circumstances. if you choose to follow this route, I wish you a _happy hunting_ {Embed} https://universemap.duckdns.org/ Taiyi's Prosperous Universe Map Taiyi's Prosperous Universe Map - An interactive map for the Prosperous Universe game {Reactions} 👍 [09-Apr-25 10:48 PM] vanarazor#0000 once you found an interesting plan, publish it here, some Nanti and mecene would look at it [09-Apr-25 10:51 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Ok will do. I like it. I'd assume AL doesnt do well. What metals would? Or is it simply an ROI game here? [09-Apr-25 11:02 PM] archielvahr#0000 AL sells the fastest. Metals like LI and CU might look profitable but they won't sell very quickly, so I recommend against them. Deimos is well suited for AL, just check the ROI in prunplanner. Fluctuations in the AL price and the C price are mostly what will affect profitability there [09-Apr-25 11:03 PM] archielvahr#0000 For a second base you can use the AL in a constuction base, and that is a pretty reliable way to turn AL into something pretty valuable. [09-Apr-25 11:08 PM] archielvahr#0000 Like this is... mediocre. 17d isn't awwwwwful. There's certainly a lot worse [09-Apr-25 11:08 PM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2025-04-09_23-06-22.png {Embed} http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2025-04-09_23-06-22.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/O1xJ460gPxrVU5YRKYDpHg3PEFbfNEHK9TXWszD1RRc/http/kortham.net/temp/firefox_2025-04-09_23-06-22.png [09-Apr-25 11:09 PM] archielvahr#0000 STL (steel) does a little better and I think that would sell with only a little more risk than AL. [09-Apr-25 11:12 PM] .shiva.#0000 FE is a little rough with starters [09-Apr-25 11:13 PM] .shiva.#0000 But can always do a mix as well [10-Apr-25 12:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 There’s some decent buy orders for FE on the CX rn {Reactions} ❤️ [10-Apr-25 12:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 If you can source the FEO for a decent price [10-Apr-25 12:11 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Turn some of it into STL and you could make a decent SME base {Reactions} 👆🏽 [10-Apr-25 12:11 AM] .shiva.#0000 I just mean the shipping with a 500/500 {Reactions} 👆🏽 [10-Apr-25 01:26 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Uuh, boy - welcome to my turf! I’m focusing on extracting ore and smelting metals, so I can tell you a thing or two 🤠 A few things you need to know, when going this route: - ores and metals are extremely heavy, which means you need a lot more ships to transport them (which are expensive) - ores and metal smelting are low tier products (pioneers) and often the beginning of a production line. People won’t pay too much for it, means your profits will be lower. - except AL and FE, metal markets are slow. You’ll sit on your stock. Especially in the beginning, where you don’t have much other income sources, this can be hard. - metals are going mostly into ship building. Exceptions are AL and FE and STL, which are also used for construction prefabs. Most shipbuilders have already established resource pipelines or don’t need much of the materials. Regards the individual metals: - AL is relatively beginner-friendly. It’s easy to transport and is consumed in good quantities by the region, so markets move overall pretty fast. But since we lost a major ship building player last month, the AL market is oversaturated and won’t make much bucks. This condition might stay for a bit. - FE/STL for most metallurgist the obvious next step. STL has a good price atm and is in good demand, after we increased RFAB production lately. You can relatively easy produce FE and STL on Vulcan. - CU and AU are very heavy and slow moving markets. Also, as far as I can see, the market is at an equilibrium atm I don’t produce and sell the other metals (LI/SI), so I can’t tell you for sure how they are, but probably are similar to CU and AU. Overall, if you want to go that route, start with high-profit-low-shipping industries, like farming and chemistry. Build up a few bases, so you have a good and stable income. After that, you should have some capital to finance the ships you need to transport all the rocks. {Reactions} 👆🏽 ❤️ 🍉 🌈 👍 [10-Apr-25 01:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 IMHO, after going that route, I think metallurgist is more of a mid-game profession. Except AL, all the metal markets aren’t beginner-friendly. [10-Apr-25 01:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Especially in the beginning, lower ROI are favourable, because they define more or less the growth of your company. This game is overall really slow, so getting into the midgame as fast as possible is part of why we have the AGP 😅 [10-Apr-25 01:53 AM] .urpalhal#0000 SI is super cheap for what is needed to produce it [10-Apr-25 01:53 AM] .urpalhal#0000 None of the SI recipes are really great [10-Apr-25 10:16 AM] evany.#0000 ^he gets to say that because we had just spent an hour ranting about how useless SI is {Reactions} 👆 [10-Apr-25 11:15 AM] weltkriegdrei#0000 I see what youre saying. What if I did a split of the AGP where I spend half on AL and the other half on conrstuction of a stable income like farming. [10-Apr-25 11:16 AM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Games like this are literally my ideal type of game. [10-Apr-25 11:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 That might be an option. I feel like you're money would be better invested in a full farming or chem base, but I'm not to judge {Reactions} 👍 [10-Apr-25 11:17 AM] weltkriegdrei#0000 I'll listen to you. You understand it more. What constitutes a chem base? What are the requirements? [10-Apr-25 11:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 if you lookup a material with the `MAT` command, you see it's recipes {Reactions} 👍 [10-Apr-25 11:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 If you click on the building of a recipe, you see it's expertise [10-Apr-25 11:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 any building with an "Chemistry" expertise falls into that category [10-Apr-25 11:19 AM] pxlfox.#0000 good early game ones are e.g. CL [10-Apr-25 11:19 AM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Cool. [10-Apr-25 11:20 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Planets often have a COGC - a chamber of global commerce, which can run a program, which boosts the production of a specific expertise [10-Apr-25 11:20 AM] jcheung#0000 If you opt to do this, i suggest building one, waiting a couple days, then building the other [10-Apr-25 11:20 AM] jcheung#0000 Just to familiarize yourself [10-Apr-25 11:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 it is recommended to build production lines on a planet with a COGC program of there expertise, to be most efficient [10-Apr-25 11:21 AM] jcheung#0000 Unless you meant both lines on the same planet [10-Apr-25 11:21 AM] jcheung#0000 In which case for cogc reasons, that's not ideal [10-Apr-25 11:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Deimos e.g. has a Metalurgist COGC, Harmonia a Farming one and Origio or Electronica a Chemistry one. {Reactions} 👍 [10-Apr-25 11:23 AM] weltkriegdrei#0000 I see. I wish I could respond more but its a lot of info im not sure what to say about it. [10-Apr-25 11:23 AM] weltkriegdrei#0000 I understand it all I think [10-Apr-25 11:23 AM] pxlfox.#0000 no worries. Are you familiar with PrunPlanner? [10-Apr-25 11:24 AM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Not really but it I see what it is basically [10-Apr-25 11:24 AM] weltkriegdrei#0000 I get its concept [10-Apr-25 11:25 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Most players (including me) will tell you, that it's an essential tool for base planning. To get a grant accepted for example you'll need to post a PrunPlanner plan here in chat, so people can review it. It also helps to play around with diffrent base configurations to get a feeling for what's good and what's not [10-Apr-25 11:26 AM] pxlfox.#0000 There is probably a link to a tutorial video somewhere here in chat, if you want to find more about how to use it. [10-Apr-25 11:27 AM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Yeah I will watch the vid in agp info. I've registered and messing around with it a bit. {Reactions} 👍 [10-Apr-25 11:28 AM] pxlfox.#0000 If you're ready and happy with your plan, post a share link and describe briefly what you're planing. People will check it and if it makes sense, you'll receive the grant 🙂 {Reactions} 👍 [10-Apr-25 11:28 AM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Very cool. Whats even better than the money is the knowledge. I appreciate your help. {Reactions} 👆 💯 [10-Apr-25 11:29 AM] weltkriegdrei#0000 I'll mess around and get something going. Ill post and see if it makes any sense. [10-Apr-25 11:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I was once in your shoes, too ^^ [10-Apr-25 11:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Asking to make CU and getting roasted for it XD {Reactions} 🤣 😂 [10-Apr-25 11:31 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean rightly so [10-Apr-25 11:47 AM] wiseor#0000 Antares Initiative: 10% bonus on electronics Castillo-Ito Mercantile: 10% bonus on manufacturing Insitor Cooperative: 6% bonus on agriculture, 4% on food industries NEO Charter Exploration: 4% bonus on metallurgy, 6% on construction No faction: 4% bonus each on chemistry, fuel refining and resource extraction [10-Apr-25 11:47 AM] wiseor#0000 Are those out of date? [10-Apr-25 11:47 AM] .urpalhal#0000 No? [10-Apr-25 11:48 AM] wiseor#0000 my HQ on Harmonia gives 20% on electronics [10-Apr-25 11:48 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes [10-Apr-25 11:48 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Bc you have unused permits [10-Apr-25 11:48 AM] wiseor#0000 Ah, ok [10-Apr-25 11:48 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Unused permits increase the bonus [10-Apr-25 11:50 AM] wiseor#0000 It even says that if I had just bothered reading juuuust below 😄 [10-Apr-25 12:29 PM] jcheung#0000 Didn't you still do it? [10-Apr-25 12:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes he did :RSNoodleWiggle: {Reactions} 🤣 [10-Apr-25 01:15 PM] jcheung#0000 In other words, just because we say it's less than ideal, doesn't mean you can't do it [10-Apr-25 01:46 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 Is there a Welcome Document similar to how Benten has one? (or a plan to develop one?) Just a bit curious. Does Romulus qualify for the AGP? [10-Apr-25 01:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 We have #agp-information [10-Apr-25 01:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I would say yes it qualifies? It’s not far from AI1 [10-Apr-25 01:48 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 Benten has a Google Docs for Benten/Katoa that's, while visitable, still under construction. Thanks for the answer! : D {Reactions} 👍 [10-Apr-25 02:01 PM] jvaler#0000 where is this? [10-Apr-25 02:02 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1303012255461281812/1306754141909028895 [10-Apr-25 02:04 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 And this is the document link, [Benten / Katoa Welcome Guide](https://docs.google.com/document/d/10qdF6wEpZshm-ErQmjyELfjcDpuXh4ZJjlB_1Wcibk4/pub) [10-Apr-25 02:12 PM] evany.#0000 thanks fo rlinking that [10-Apr-25 02:13 PM] evany.#0000 there is one in our pinned messages here [10-Apr-25 02:14 PM] evany.#0000 and while i understand its a good read i'd actually recommend not following it probably since the bases listed are actually all way out of whack. {Reactions} 👆 [10-Apr-25 02:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The economy does change [10-Apr-25 02:14 PM] evany.#0000 So while its good to read, its more important to have the knowledge and put it into prunplanner and see whats best _today_ {Reactions} 👆 [10-Apr-25 02:14 PM] evany.#0000 according to that guide bmp is by far the best plan, and without even putting that into prunplanner i can tell you thats probably not the case today [10-Apr-25 02:15 PM] evany.#0000 markets shift so static data like that is challenging to keep maintained. [10-Apr-25 02:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Hence why we have more of a help form so we can change on the fly [10-Apr-25 02:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 One month xyz might be good but another month xyz isn’t and abc is [10-Apr-25 02:20 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 🫡 [10-Apr-25 02:20 PM] evany.#0000 as i guessed- the BMP base suggested in that document allegedly makes 100k today makes a mere 13k/day profit [10-Apr-25 02:20 PM] evany.#0000 not something i would recommend you to do as a new player. [10-Apr-25 02:21 PM] evany.#0000 or frankly, even as an established player [10-Apr-25 02:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Are you using the Benton faction bonus too? [10-Apr-25 02:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And CI1? (Heretical I know) [10-Apr-25 02:21 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 For FIO, should I give PrPuPlanner an API Key with Write Permission, or does it not matter (as in not change anything)? [10-Apr-25 02:21 PM] evany.#0000 ill fight you [10-Apr-25 02:22 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 Heretical? [10-Apr-25 02:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 We’re Antares simps [10-Apr-25 02:22 PM] evany.#0000 @kyubi_otsutsuki_2071 i wouldn't worry about FIO for now {Reactions} 👆 [10-Apr-25 02:22 PM] evany.#0000 You will eventually want to, probably. [10-Apr-25 02:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But yeah just give PrUnplanner its own key [10-Apr-25 02:22 PM] evany.#0000 honestly I still learn things in prunplanner everyday. [10-Apr-25 02:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You can give it write or not [10-Apr-25 02:22 PM] evany.#0000 walk not run 🙂 [10-Apr-25 02:22 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 It has it's own, but doesn't have write permission with that api key [10-Apr-25 02:23 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 *pretend that I replied to the second message below the one that I replied to* [10-Apr-25 02:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I thinks it’s fine [10-Apr-25 02:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I don’t know what prUnPlanner would need to write [10-Apr-25 02:24 PM] evany.#0000 would be nice if there was a xit action write method. [10-Apr-25 02:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 There kinda is [10-Apr-25 02:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But it’s janky [10-Apr-25 02:25 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 I see a button called xit, but I don't know what it does or for [10-Apr-25 02:25 PM] evany.#0000 aaah i'd steer away for now [10-Apr-25 02:25 PM] evany.#0000 just play with bases and profitability and CX settings [10-Apr-25 02:26 PM] evany.#0000 sorry too much banter 🙂 [10-Apr-25 02:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It’s a nice helper, but maybe for later [10-Apr-25 02:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Don’t want to give you too much to chew on ya know [10-Apr-25 02:33 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/101d6605-6004-43d7-acaf-712eb2685fe1 Ok is this dumb? {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/101d6605-6004-43d7-acaf-712eb2685fe1 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [10-Apr-25 02:34 PM] archielvahr#0000 Looks like that's a blank build on Vault? Probably the wrong link? [10-Apr-25 02:34 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Hm [10-Apr-25 02:35 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Is that a step in the right direction* is what I mean [10-Apr-25 02:35 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 I think its right [10-Apr-25 02:36 PM] archielvahr#0000 GC-645b? [10-Apr-25 02:36 PM] archielvahr#0000 Does it load for anyone else here? [10-Apr-25 02:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Mine has no buildings in it when I checked [10-Apr-25 02:41 PM] evany.#0000 make sure you hit 'save' before share {Reactions} 👆 (2) [10-Apr-25 02:42 PM] evany.#0000 though i think technically even if you hit 'save' now the link should still retroactively work as it doesn't ch ange the plan ID as far as i know [10-Apr-25 02:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes [10-Apr-25 02:42 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Try it now. I hadnt shared it. It was saved [10-Apr-25 02:42 PM] evany.#0000 but yes your new link works. [10-Apr-25 02:43 PM] evany.#0000 CL is very popular right now and a really good option, make sure to enable lux1/2 [10-Apr-25 02:44 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 What do you mean lux1/2 [10-Apr-25 02:44 PM] evany.#0000 top center beside the population types these are 'luxury goods' each different type of work force has two luxury commodoties that makes them work faster [10-Apr-25 02:45 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Ahh I see [10-Apr-25 02:46 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Where do I see the cost of that? [10-Apr-25 02:46 PM] evany.#0000 right hand side it will add the requirements and do new calculations [10-Apr-25 02:46 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Right, I mean total cost of the project [10-Apr-25 02:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Either under overview [10-Apr-25 02:47 PM] evany.#0000 on the right hand side is construction cart [10-Apr-25 02:47 PM] evany.#0000 it will give you total breakdown [10-Apr-25 02:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or construction cart which is the blue button on the left [10-Apr-25 02:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The two questions I have is why 2 permits and why Vault? [10-Apr-25 02:49 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Im not sure why not 2 and why not vault? [10-Apr-25 02:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Why not two is permits get really expensive and adding permits to a base only adds 250 space while a new base gives 500 space {Reactions} 👍 [10-Apr-25 02:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Vault is far from any CXs from my understanding which would make it hard to transport your goods to sell {Reactions} 👍 [10-Apr-25 02:51 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Im not really sure where to put my base. [10-Apr-25 02:53 PM] archielvahr#0000 Griffonstone would be the best option in ANT [10-Apr-25 02:54 PM] archielvahr#0000 it's just a few jumps out, but it's a triple green planet also, and it has a good population of workers for this base [10-Apr-25 02:54 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Ok cool. Do I extract HAL too? [10-Apr-25 02:54 PM] archielvahr#0000 The starter ships actually can't make it to vault I think- not enough fuel. {Reactions} 👍 [10-Apr-25 02:55 PM] archielvahr#0000 I think extracting some HAL would be very viable. [10-Apr-25 02:55 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Thats what I was thinking, cut some costs. [10-Apr-25 02:55 PM] archielvahr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1359980189475410050/image.png?ex=68147a80&is=68132900&hm=ca7b9b545371de8c0a7e9cc471a4aa06ec3bd486d807eb886e5eff370ca6b8a5& [10-Apr-25 02:56 PM] archielvahr#0000 WIthout any extractors the base requires 414t of imports a day, which is nearly a full starter ship per day. 360t of that is HAL, so you can really cut down on shipping by extracting it there [10-Apr-25 02:57 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Wow yeah. Thats alot. [10-Apr-25 03:00 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/23c87aab-50c3-44cc-adb1-21fccff4c80d {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/23c87aab-50c3-44cc-adb1-21fccff4c80d PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [10-Apr-25 03:01 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 What do you think? [10-Apr-25 03:07 PM] archielvahr#0000 You can zero out the HB3 since you don't need any techs [10-Apr-25 03:07 PM] archielvahr#0000 But otherwise, yeah, I think this is good! [10-Apr-25 03:07 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Whoops didnt mean to add that [10-Apr-25 03:08 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 reload it now [10-Apr-25 03:08 PM] archielvahr#0000 I will send a grant to you! {Reactions} 👍 [10-Apr-25 03:08 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Cool! [10-Apr-25 03:09 PM] archielvahr#0000 there is a slight worker shortage since you added another CHP and EXT [10-Apr-25 03:09 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 I see. [10-Apr-25 03:09 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 10-5 will do then reload. [10-Apr-25 03:09 PM] archielvahr#0000 You can achieve it with 8 HBB, 1 HB2, 11 CHP, 6 EXT [10-Apr-25 03:10 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Nice! [10-Apr-25 03:10 PM] archielvahr#0000 or you can do the 5 HB1, 6 HB2, 10 CHP, 5 EXT like you have there, and that's probably best. You can use the extra 48 area for something later, or for a STO (which is extra storage on the base) [10-Apr-25 03:10 PM] archielvahr#0000 The HBBs cost a little more than HB1 and HB2, so 🤷‍♂️ {Reactions} 👍 [10-Apr-25 03:10 PM] archielvahr#0000 I don't actually know how much more [10-Apr-25 03:12 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 hmmm. Nice. I may go with the 10-5, leave some extra space maybe. {Reactions} 👍 [10-Apr-25 03:41 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 How do you get more ships? [10-Apr-25 03:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Buy the parts and build them [10-Apr-25 03:44 PM] archielvahr#0000 Or buy entire ships. Join the UFO server and look in the `galactic-deals` for shipbuilders [10-Apr-25 03:44 PM] archielvahr#0000 https://discord.gg/KEqm3xns [10-Apr-25 03:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 We offer kits to upgrade your current starter ships to something more useful here in #psk-operations and you can get a 0 interest loan too info is #psk-information shows the blueprint for the new ship upgrade and loan details [10-Apr-25 03:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But as an fyi new ships cost 4-6 million [10-Apr-25 03:45 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Ah hahaha that would be important to know [10-Apr-25 03:45 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Ok. Ill think about all that later. [10-Apr-25 03:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The ship upgrade kit is much less [10-Apr-25 03:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It expands your 500t 500 m3 to 3000t 1000m3 [10-Apr-25 03:48 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Thats a preaty sizable upgrade. [10-Apr-25 03:49 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Thanks again btw for all the info [10-Apr-25 03:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yep you can fit 1000 HAL in it [10-Apr-25 03:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Of course! [10-Apr-25 03:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It’s why we’re here [10-Apr-25 03:50 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Nice. I like the 0% loan. Thats economically pure. [10-Apr-25 03:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean the point is to help new players out {Reactions} 👍 [10-Apr-25 03:50 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 I may have to do that. Cant beat that upgrade honestly. [10-Apr-25 03:54 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Once I get set up enough to pay that 9 day payment plan off I will forsure. {Reactions} danceboi [10-Apr-25 04:16 PM] pxlfox.#0000 checkout #internal-offers to make you grant last a little longer {Reactions} 👍 [10-Apr-25 05:48 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I have a little question [10-Apr-25 05:48 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 would AGP grant me 1 mil for my grand SF expansions [10-Apr-25 05:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Maybe where at? [10-Apr-25 05:49 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I am confused, does AGP have a maximum bases condition? [10-Apr-25 05:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :RSZeroShrugIDK: [10-Apr-25 05:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 We’ve never really talked about that before I think [10-Apr-25 05:50 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I am splitting my LS-746b 3x permit SF base to LS-746b, Ant I G, and Ant II E. [10-Apr-25 05:51 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I also recently moved my ANT II g H base to KI-401d to make more H to support the expansions [10-Apr-25 05:52 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I am not exactly cash strapped but I have been expanding heavily and I have a lot of debt. Free money is free money :pepe_shrug: and it seems ANT has a bunch 😅 [10-Apr-25 05:57 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I know its a stretch 😅 [10-Apr-25 05:57 PM] jvaler#0000 recently i decided 3 is the max base limit for AGP, i was making an ad for it in the UFO deals forum and realized we never set a limit [10-Apr-25 05:58 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 so TECHNICALLY i qualify 😄 [10-Apr-25 05:58 PM] jvaler#0000 looks like it lol [10-Apr-25 06:26 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 well the grant is still discretionary [10-Apr-25 07:09 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 @jvaler you sent me a grant contract? [10-Apr-25 07:09 PM] jvaler#0000 yup [10-Apr-25 07:09 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 you guys sure about this? [10-Apr-25 07:10 PM] jvaler#0000 SF prod is good antares infrastructure [10-Apr-25 07:10 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 okay thank you ^_^ [10-Apr-25 07:10 PM] jvaler#0000 fits our goals, and you fit eligiblity [10-Apr-25 07:10 PM] jvaler#0000 i see no issue [10-Apr-25 07:10 PM] jvaler#0000 :D [10-Apr-25 07:13 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Lovely, time to send the money to evov :kekw: [10-Apr-25 07:14 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 antares has a way of getting a lot of cash inflow [10-Apr-25 07:22 PM] jvaler#0000 we don't speak of that [10-Apr-25 07:22 PM] jvaler#0000 my riches are hard earned and untainted by MM evils [10-Apr-25 07:23 PM] jvaler#0000 even though everything is affected by MM farmers... if i pretend it does not exist it does not exist [10-Apr-25 07:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well to be fair all cash came from the MM so [10-Apr-25 08:11 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 well thats gonna come crashing down as MEA is screwed [10-Apr-25 08:11 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 or if the devs decide "enough of this" and shake things up [10-Apr-25 08:12 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 ( I am no saint, I have an IDC farm too xD ) [10-Apr-25 08:15 PM] jvaler#0000 don't make me regret my decision 😭 [10-Apr-25 08:16 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I also have 35 million in debt [10-Apr-25 08:16 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 and that idc farm is giving me more headaches than making them go away, so expensive to maintain.... [10-Apr-25 08:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Maybe it’s time to ditch it? [10-Apr-25 08:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I’ve done great without IDC bases [10-Apr-25 08:23 PM] tanda#0000 EDC I like, I can sustain the base repairs myself mostly [10-Apr-25 08:24 PM] tanda#0000 IDC is just too much for too little extra [10-Apr-25 08:26 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I have too, I paid off that stupid base like 2 weeks ago [10-Apr-25 08:26 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 so technically, i haven't made much off that base [10-Apr-25 08:26 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 :thonk: [10-Apr-25 08:36 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 What is MM? [10-Apr-25 08:39 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Market Maker [10-Apr-25 08:40 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 its the NPC which buys/sells certain commodities at set prices on all CXs [10-Apr-25 09:01 PM] tanda#0000 I make a ton of niche items that sometimes just sit for weeks before moving in a burst. I need something like EDC for liquidity [10-Apr-25 09:02 PM] tanda#0000 if it were AIR, I'd probably do that too [10-Apr-25 09:06 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 interesting [10-Apr-25 09:06 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 thats the reason why i built my IDC farm too [10-Apr-25 09:06 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 but my fuel gets me enough liquidity [11-Apr-25 01:09 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I mean, the AGP is decentralised - as long as you find somebody willing to fund your idea, you’ll get the grant 🤷‍♂️ [12-Apr-25 11:35 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/88d3e9f1-b11b-48ba-9853-8055ca9b3194 What do you think about this base? {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/88d3e9f1-b11b-48ba-9853-8055ca9b3194 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [12-Apr-25 11:37 PM] tanda#0000 how are you planning to supply the base with inputs? How much of this is covered by your FRMs already? [12-Apr-25 11:41 PM] tanda#0000 Agricultural inputs are notoriously thin and expensive to source from the CX past a certain degree of consumption. I see you're using an ALG recipe, which has a lot of supply, but I suggest looking at the CX for the other inputs to see how long you're likely to be able to sustain the base [12-Apr-25 11:42 PM] tanda#0000 and how long it will remain profitable, given the rising cost as you go through the ASK orders [12-Apr-25 11:44 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Would it be more profitable to make a FRM base? [12-Apr-25 11:45 PM] weltkriegdrei#0000 And what COGC would that be? [12-Apr-25 11:45 PM] tanda#0000 It would if you were to focus strictly on HER. Don't get me wrong, this base is a fantastic second base in its supply chain, but it needs a FRM or HYF base to supply it [12-Apr-25 11:45 PM] tanda#0000 (upgraded ships wouldn't hurt either, Norwick is about 12 hours out) [12-Apr-25 11:46 PM] tanda#0000 If you were interested in trying something a bit more expensive/risk taking, you might try to negotiate with people who hold bases in SE-110 [12-Apr-25 11:47 PM] tanda#0000 we each seem to run our own supply chains out there and it leads to a lot of agri overflow that we're moving around or dumping into MAI production [12-Apr-25 11:47 PM] tanda#0000 could be some cheap supply to pick up in that system on SE-110a, if you wanted to run an FP base there [12-Apr-25 11:48 PM] tanda#0000 otherwise, I would suggest trying to build part of a FRM base and part of an FP base so you can self supply and work on getting those fleshed out after [12-Apr-25 11:49 PM] evany.#0000 i'm open to the idea [13-Apr-25 12:03 AM] weltkriegdrei#0000 I would work with you @evany. [13-Apr-25 12:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I've got a stockpile of ALG growing that i just pawn off on others {Reactions} ❤️ [13-Apr-25 12:06 AM] evany.#0000 ill try and catch up with you tomorrow or monday. [13-Apr-25 12:06 AM] weltkriegdrei#0000 Sounds good. [13-Apr-25 12:08 AM] evany.#0000 regarding the base specifically the reason tanda is concerned is because agri is kind of notoriously bad and is a bit inconsistent in the market {Reactions} 👆 👍 [13-Apr-25 12:09 AM] evany.#0000 so while its a 'good' base, its a bit hit or miss because you are relying on older players (me) to sell you stuff via CX and i might not sell any this month. [13-Apr-25 12:10 AM] evany.#0000 (obviously not only me, but you get the idea.) i'm also concerned about your imports (note that a starter ship will need to be out their daily for your import (311m3/day) with 500m3 max, so 4-5 times a week and that you didn't put storages on your plan (but there is room) {Reactions} 👍 [13-Apr-25 11:15 AM] weltkriegdrei#0000 I was going to add 2 STO [18-Apr-25 09:22 AM] bishopsix#0000 I am gettin the hand of it, this is my current status https://prunplanner.org/shared/d724ccd6-789a-4993-b933-61a4dd89e1ba {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/d724ccd6-789a-4993-b933-61a4dd89e1ba PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [18-Apr-25 09:22 AM] bishopsix#0000 the basics [18-Apr-25 09:23 AM] bishopsix#0000 not sure into what to expand [18-Apr-25 09:24 AM] bishopsix#0000 would love any ideas + grant [18-Apr-25 09:24 AM] bishopsix#0000 i love mining and smelting tho [18-Apr-25 09:24 AM] bishopsix#0000 and hyper focusing on some esoteric resource from those 2 that we need [18-Apr-25 09:24 AM] bishopsix#0000 even if profit is on the margin i would love to help more than profit [18-Apr-25 09:36 AM] laaxus#0000 you should expand into a full 500 area base {Reactions} 👍🏼 [18-Apr-25 09:37 AM] laaxus#0000 which, at the start does not rely on importing ALO [18-Apr-25 09:37 AM] laaxus#0000 you however don't want to export ALO either so try to have more ALO than necessary, but minimize the overproduction [18-Apr-25 09:38 AM] laaxus#0000 you should set 6 experts, as it is what you'll eventually have {Reactions} 👍🏼 [18-Apr-25 09:38 AM] laaxus#0000 (5 max per category) [18-Apr-25 09:40 AM] bishopsix#0000 ty Laaxus, brb i will 🤔 [18-Apr-25 09:44 AM] bishopsix#0000 is there any type of way we can see the whole prod chain? Basically I am making AL, cool, where/what can I do to improve further through that chain? [18-Apr-25 09:44 AM] laaxus#0000 because of experts and the planet COGC, you want one type of COGC per base [18-Apr-25 09:45 AM] laaxus#0000 however, AL is mostly used in fabs, which is done with construction building, experts and planets (see "MAT AL" buffer) [18-Apr-25 09:46 AM] laaxus#0000 construction not metalurgy, mb mb [18-Apr-25 09:46 AM] bishopsix#0000 oooh so I can't go further with, for example, building from AL due to the COGC base type? [18-Apr-25 09:46 AM] bishopsix#0000 on the same planet [18-Apr-25 09:47 AM] bishopsix#0000 or rather manufacturing from AL something [18-Apr-25 09:47 AM] laaxus#0000 that's right, it'd be better to only produce AL on deimos, and then consume that AL on a construction planet like nike or aceland if you want to go that path [18-Apr-25 09:47 AM] bishopsix#0000 huh interesting! [18-Apr-25 09:47 AM] bishopsix#0000 thanks Laaxus, I will do the full 500 with AL then, actually this makes it easier [18-Apr-25 09:47 AM] laaxus#0000 all of that is taken into account by prunplanner [18-Apr-25 09:48 AM] laaxus#0000 so you can just try to maximize profit [18-Apr-25 09:48 AM] laaxus#0000 (however prunplanner does not take into account the cost of shipping, take care) {Reactions} 👍🏼 [18-Apr-25 09:48 AM] laaxus#0000 it show however how much shipping you'd need with the top right button {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1362802088869892186/image.png?ex=6814db59&is=681389d9&hm=2035604c68bf5c27743c90f627a9d9b34ea21a19cf550173b72a122083debe6f& {Reactions} ❤️ [18-Apr-25 09:48 AM] bishopsix#0000 super i see there is also a match COGC now that makes sense [18-Apr-25 09:53 AM] bishopsix#0000 How about now? [18-Apr-25 10:00 AM] laaxus#0000 you should use luxuries [18-Apr-25 10:00 AM] laaxus#0000 99.9% of the time [18-Apr-25 10:00 AM] laaxus#0000 and you have 280 area left {Reactions} 👍🏼 [18-Apr-25 10:10 AM] bishopsix#0000 Sweet got the hang of it! Howsaboutnow? [18-Apr-25 10:11 AM] laaxus#0000 how many days of production do you think you can store ? [18-Apr-25 10:23 AM] bishopsix#0000 now that you say that, 2.9, so I have 1500 base space + 500x2 from my ships, i would need 1.29 days for export until full and 3.83 imports to sustain my pops [18-Apr-25 10:23 AM] bishopsix#0000 actually, possibly less than that bc my storage contains basic foods and stuff [18-Apr-25 10:24 AM] bishopsix#0000 that or i might be an idiot lol math isnt my strong suite [18-Apr-25 10:25 AM] bishopsix#0000 ik ironic [18-Apr-25 10:25 AM] laaxus#0000 the top right button do that math for you [18-Apr-25 10:27 AM] bishopsix#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1362811691548672110/image.png?ex=6814e44b&is=681392cb&hm=b223a223eb65e135b4f0b2032311961f64eeff588b4d6876a563c4d1a62f2a1b& [18-Apr-25 10:27 AM] laaxus#0000 yes {Reactions} ❤️ [18-Apr-25 10:28 AM] bishopsix#0000 this is great thanks Laaxus! I will do my first base like this, pure AL shipments {Reactions} 👍 [18-Apr-25 10:28 AM] laaxus#0000 you should add 2 sto at least [18-Apr-25 10:28 AM] laaxus#0000 to increase storage [18-Apr-25 10:29 AM] bishopsix#0000 I am literally blind I didnt see STO there [18-Apr-25 10:29 AM] bishopsix#0000 I thought only permits increased sto size 😢 [18-Apr-25 10:31 AM] bishopsix#0000 Two storages increased the size tremendously {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1362812749196955791/image.png?ex=6814e547&is=681393c7&hm=84b6fae58311f7a67c6a3a5f2b49b0dada3d45b43469753881f4e862657f9be7& {Reactions} 👍 🔥 [18-Apr-25 10:32 AM] bishopsix#0000 ty Laaxus! [18-Apr-25 11:27 AM] bishopsix#0000 All righty, this is my proposal for the grant: https://prunplanner.org/plan/ZV-759c/08757f5e-2330-4756-85e8-3196f9583afe {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/plan/ZV-759c/08757f5e-2330-4756-85e8-3196f9583afe PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Reactions} 👀 [18-Apr-25 11:27 AM] bishopsix#0000 🙏 [18-Apr-25 11:30 AM] akyantor#0000 @bishopsix You'll need to use the share button top right to make it available to others to view. See the button below. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1362827734132457482/image.png?ex=6814f33b&is=6813a1bb&hm=996cf8f7682537601b6a42dcc0ead721915aa091a8a6880516bfaec97e0aa220& [18-Apr-25 12:04 PM] bishopsix#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/d724ccd6-789a-4993-b933-61a4dd89e1ba {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/d724ccd6-789a-4993-b933-61a4dd89e1ba PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [18-Apr-25 12:04 PM] bishopsix#0000 how about now? [18-Apr-25 12:08 PM] laaxus#0000 I would put the expert 5 - 1 [18-Apr-25 12:08 PM] laaxus#0000 because it's slightly more profitable [18-Apr-25 12:09 PM] laaxus#0000 the deficit of ALO is low enough that it isn't an issue {Reactions} 👍🏼 [18-Apr-25 12:09 PM] akyantor#0000 tbh, not the end of the world in the short term. Will take a few weeks to get to 5 on metals anyway. {Reactions} 👍 (2) [18-Apr-25 12:10 PM] akyantor#0000 Can always consider switching to that once they're cooking. [18-Apr-25 12:13 PM] akyantor#0000 I don't mind sending over a grant @laaxus unless you feel strongly about it. Feels fitting as I'm governor on Deimos. 🙂 [18-Apr-25 12:13 PM] bishopsix#0000 Thanks for the tips everyone really appreciate it!! [18-Apr-25 12:14 PM] bishopsix#0000 I will sell enough to cover the grant and then some 🙏 [18-Apr-25 12:14 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't mind [18-Apr-25 12:14 PM] laaxus#0000 however @bishopsix please use half of the grant for buildings, a quarter for consummables and a quarter as cash buffer {Reactions} 👍 (2) [18-Apr-25 12:15 PM] laaxus#0000 The biggest pit noobs fall into is not having a large enough cahs buffer [18-Apr-25 12:16 PM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, definitely worth keeping some cash on hand to smooth out any early issues. [18-Apr-25 12:16 PM] bishopsix#0000 Oh what's that? Just buy hard stone drugs for my miners to go 3000% output? Sure! /s 😂 [18-Apr-25 12:17 PM] akyantor#0000 Contract sent for the grant. {Reactions} 🙏🏼 [18-Apr-25 12:17 PM] bishopsix#0000 I'll be careful yeah, good idea 🙏 [18-Apr-25 12:17 PM] bishopsix#0000 I'll take it up asap [18-Apr-25 10:17 PM] sidepipe#0000 Congratulations on giving out your first grant! As such, you have now been upgraded to the yellow coordinator role 🙂 {Reactions} 👍🏼 👍 [18-Apr-25 10:22 PM] jvaler#0000 i think akyan is the first person to actually be yellow ever since i made staff role {Reactions} 🤣 [18-Apr-25 10:23 PM] jvaler#0000 cause everyone who was previously yellow got grandfathered in to staff role [18-Apr-25 10:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, either that or they have the server booster role {Reactions} 👆 [18-Apr-25 10:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like me [18-Apr-25 10:43 PM] jvaler#0000 but you're staff so that'd override the yellow anyways [18-Apr-25 11:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well I wasn’t staff earlier [18-Apr-25 11:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I was coordinator [18-Apr-25 11:34 PM] jvaler#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1254643011980234863/1362991855175860264 [18-Apr-25 11:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes I know 😅 sorry I wasn’t clear [18-Apr-25 11:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I meant like I had the yellow role before I was staff so like Tanda said I should’ve been yellow but I had pink from boosting [18-Apr-25 11:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I remember I was yellow for a second tho [18-Apr-25 11:37 PM] jvaler#0000 ah okay {Reactions} givelove [18-Apr-25 11:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 My bad for the confusion [18-Apr-25 11:40 PM] jvaler#0000 it's okay lol {Reactions} givelove [19-Apr-25 03:47 PM] jab.sh#0000 you should head over to #psk-operations and get your ships upgraded since that's a shipping heavy base {Reactions} ❤️ [19-Apr-25 04:17 PM] harkenn#0000 Looking to apply for the AGP for developing a construction base in Nike. Based on feedback I'm considering PP1/PP2 (https://prunplanner.org/shared/99aa6cbc-87a6-4094-b808-59e3bfffd71d) or PP2/PP3 (https://prunplanner.org/shared/7eade9cf-3ad9-428a-b28d-dcb6c6746f4b). The former being easier to get up and running quickly but the latter being more profitable (though significantly more expensive to construct. Given that I'm new, I don't have enough experience to know whether the upcoming changes would pose a greater risk to the potential profitability of either particular build moreso than the other. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/99aa6cbc-87a6-4094-b808-59e3bfffd71d PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/7eade9cf-3ad9-428a-b28d-dcb6c6746f4b). PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [19-Apr-25 04:19 PM] jcheung#0000 fortunately there's not a ton of risk right now for either base [19-Apr-25 04:21 PM] .shiva.#0000 Imo pp1s aren't amazing, so I'd lean the other way myself [19-Apr-25 04:22 PM] jcheung#0000 they do one thing okay, and that's about it [19-Apr-25 04:38 PM] harkenn#0000 The primary challenge with the pp2/pp3 setup is that it is significantly more expensive to build and operate, so I would be operating at significantly lower profit per day, for at least the first month or two [19-Apr-25 04:43 PM] jcheung#0000 so there's another option [19-Apr-25 04:45 PM] jcheung#0000 you can build out the PP1/PP2 base first, then at the 60 day repair point you can decommission your PP1's and build PP3's [19-Apr-25 04:46 PM] jcheung#0000 or at 30/45/90 points [19-Apr-25 04:47 PM] jcheung#0000 but 60 will be the most cost efficient for that base [19-Apr-25 05:53 PM] harkenn#0000 That sounds like a pragmatic balance between the two [19-Apr-25 06:15 PM] jcheung#0000 i suppose i should explain what i mean by 60 day repair point [19-Apr-25 06:16 PM] jcheung#0000 basically every 15 ish days you can expect the cost of repair to spike up, and the repair cost is the difference between the building refund cost and the cost to build the structure [19-Apr-25 06:16 PM] jcheung#0000 so if you wait til one of the repair points your cost is minimal for the production buildings (outta luck for housing though) [19-Apr-25 06:18 PM] harkenn#0000 So repairing on the 14th/15th day is optimal? or on the 29th/30th day? [19-Apr-25 06:18 PM] tanda#0000 generally anywhere from 45 to 90 days [19-Apr-25 06:19 PM] tanda#0000 30 days is far too often unless it's a mission critical base [19-Apr-25 06:19 PM] harkenn#0000 Ok so its not a linear progression then [19-Apr-25 06:20 PM] tanda#0000 no, if you want to see a good example of this, go on prun planner and open the "repair" section on the side [19-Apr-25 06:21 PM] tanda#0000 it's has steps like stairs on it [19-Apr-25 06:21 PM] tanda#0000 the best day to repair is when the cost of the repair gets offset by the money you lose in lost productivity if you don't [19-Apr-25 06:22 PM] tanda#0000 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ELsfw4ii1hQFWDd-BL4JzwqHc-wGVXbJtvAeprv0pZ0 {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ELsfw4ii1hQFWDd-BL4JzwqHc-wGVXbJtvAeprv0pZ0 PrUn repair guide https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/d2AJp-7euKJYsOkKkqOEoRa7YiGNzfflWJmhR_o8omc/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyLEu36W2LxSABgKB84TMXXqhcjMI3b8JGITJxfyn9m4q5N1s2aEZh4xZ8QMEvHLSBRrj1sRaS9a1eJVKQsQ8uiQqEY3VpU3V5ZQcCNbbwRF-9JZJ2D0%3Dw1200-h630-p [19-Apr-25 06:22 PM] tanda#0000 This spreadsheet explains it better than I can, I recommend giving it a read [19-Apr-25 06:23 PM] jcheung#0000 prunplanner also has a repair thing that shows the spikes as well [19-Apr-25 06:24 PM] jcheung#0000 that said, neither prunplanner nor the repair guide take into account reduced production speed from degradation so when you get past 90 days it gets really bad really fast [19-Apr-25 06:25 PM] tanda#0000 actually, the repair guide does simulate that [19-Apr-25 06:25 PM] tanda#0000 but it's a really basic simulation where you just tell it how much money you make from the building in perfect condition [19-Apr-25 06:25 PM] tanda#0000 Prunplanner doesn't seem to, though [21-Apr-25 05:08 AM] whitefox8#0000 I got now a big problem because the prices for NL and GL did litterally double when it comes to the costs that where prunplanner telling me (GL: 21,960 $ vs. 42,000 $ and NL: 85,116 $ vs. 141.600 $ daily costs), because of this my production is writing red numbers and I cant produce really. The prices for the produced products are staying still. Any advice what I can do? [21-Apr-25 05:13 AM] realharvey#0000 have you looked at producing LBH or LSE in the meantime until prices stabilise? {Reactions} 👍 [21-Apr-25 05:16 AM] whitefox8#0000 Thanks, the prices for PE (that I need for LBH) are actually cheaper then in Prunplanner {Reactions} 👍 [21-Apr-25 11:42 AM] harkenn#0000 So how do I go about applying for the AGP? Do I need to ping someone here, or is there a google form somewhere? [21-Apr-25 11:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 drop your plan [21-Apr-25 11:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 just explain what you wanna do with the million [21-Apr-25 11:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 then some rich people will come along and throw money at you [21-Apr-25 11:45 AM] harkenn#0000 lol, sounds reasonable. So from the back and forth over the weekend above, I think the plan that seems most pragmatic to me was this (https://prunplanner.org/shared/99aa6cbc-87a6-4094-b808-59e3bfffd71d) PP1 / PP2 setup up to the 60 day repair point and then decommissioning the PP1 side and shifting the base towards PP2/PP3 (https://prunplanner.org/shared/7eade9cf-3ad9-428a-b28d-dcb6c6746f4b) [21-Apr-25 11:46 AM] pagy1234#0000 first link doesnt work? [21-Apr-25 11:46 AM] pagy1234#0000 second is fine tho, lemme check [21-Apr-25 11:47 AM] harkenn#0000 Edited [21-Apr-25 11:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 not sure how the cash flow would look like, im not super well versed with FAB production for im prolly not the best for this, but overall the inputs look very expensive, and although the output is even more expensive it might be challenge to get it all going [21-Apr-25 11:49 AM] pagy1234#0000 can you show me a screen shot of this area (its not possible for otherpeople to see this part on shared plans): [21-Apr-25 11:49 AM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1363919585518157975/Screenshot_2025-04-22_at_12.49.08_AM.png?ex=6814f799&is=6813a619&hm=fdf93be5b3e8f43709a101e18b2d4e85c38da5ba6bdc38d4c7a56de8c1410a81& [21-Apr-25 11:50 AM] harkenn#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1363919882462171136/image.png?ex=6814f7e0&is=6813a660&hm=845e3e7a2ec0b53d94d730223db0b814826d000038aab9eab0963c2a65f89a35& [21-Apr-25 11:51 AM] harkenn#0000 And actually, I have quite a few BBH and BSE which might make it practical to just go straight to the PP2/PP3 base, although the inputs are even more expensive than the PP1/PP2 setup. [21-Apr-25 11:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 do you already have a base on nike? [21-Apr-25 11:51 AM] harkenn#0000 No, I have one on Demios for DNPC though [21-Apr-25 11:52 AM] pagy1234#0000 press the "include CM" button then [21-Apr-25 11:52 AM] harkenn#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1363920280350752878/image.png?ex=6814f83f&is=6813a6bf&hm=321b4578d5036354a5f94a3c7452f82d4bd9edb4aee9f550ea9ba07057a1f725& {Reactions} 👍 [21-Apr-25 11:52 AM] pagy1234#0000 you will need to purchase all the parts for a CM to start the base [21-Apr-25 11:52 AM] pagy1234#0000 as a starter base im not too sure about this [21-Apr-25 11:52 AM] pagy1234#0000 are you fixated on construction? [21-Apr-25 11:53 AM] igfloz#0000 I presume you are getting your Al from Deimos ? [21-Apr-25 11:53 AM] pagy1234#0000 theres a base I looked at a while ago that looks really strong currently [21-Apr-25 11:54 AM] harkenn#0000 @igfloz unfortunately, that's accounted for in the coop. @pagy1234 I liked the sound of construction and enjoyed it initially, before I coliq'd to demios [21-Apr-25 11:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Did you check shipping on this? Fabs require quite heavy inputs [21-Apr-25 11:56 AM] igfloz#0000 yeah, thats a fair amount of AL & LST you'll have to buy & haul each week [21-Apr-25 11:56 AM] igfloz#0000 I mean the plan looks ok - but as a starter - I'm not so sure [21-Apr-25 11:57 AM] igfloz#0000 I could take a punt and send you the mil - just be aware of the shipping and mat costs [21-Apr-25 11:58 AM] igfloz#0000 err. isn't LST produced on NIke ? could maybe get a deal on the local market for LST [21-Apr-25 11:59 AM] igfloz#0000 ...and I'd suggest 2 STO (lots of mass required for the AL & LST) [21-Apr-25 12:05 PM] harkenn#0000 Yeah I was trying to eek out as perfect a balance (in terms of maximally utilizing workers) as I could for both factory designs, and unfortunately it required less storage than it seemed was a good idea. [21-Apr-25 12:06 PM] harkenn#0000 (the PP2 / PP3 doesn't have any, which probably wouldn't be sustainable) [21-Apr-25 12:07 PM] igfloz#0000 check MAT LST or MAT AL in a new buffer. You'll find for every 100 LST you need 273t of weight available [21-Apr-25 12:13 PM] harkenn#0000 > I mean the plan looks ok - but as a starter - I'm not so sure In terms of complexity? Or profitability? or something else entirely? [21-Apr-25 12:15 PM] harkenn#0000 @pagy1234 I'm also not opposed to looking at other plans, especially if they're more profitable and - thus - something I could use to fuel other bases that are construction-oriented (or construciton-adjacent). Ultimately I'm new enough in the game that while construction sounds interesting / engaging, its not something I'm dead-certain about, especially if there are more appealing options out there. [21-Apr-25 12:15 PM] igfloz#0000 well, feeding the thing with starter ships might be a challenge you can only carry 180 Al (i think) [21-Apr-25 12:15 PM] harkenn#0000 I just liked the sound of building the components that ultimately fuel factory building (i.e. expansionism) [21-Apr-25 12:16 PM] harkenn#0000 @igfloz yep that math checks out; 185 fills up the tonnage of the starter ships [21-Apr-25 12:17 PM] harkenn#0000 So I'd need to be running both ships, more or less daily, moving mats [21-Apr-25 12:17 PM] igfloz#0000 yes [21-Apr-25 12:17 PM] harkenn#0000 Which is fine, I have the time/attention for that. Whether I get tired of it or not, I guess, is reasonable question, but if the expectation is that its a jumping-off point for bigger ships and other bases, I think that's fine? [21-Apr-25 12:18 PM] jab.sh#0000 LST you can collect on site at Nike {Reactions} 👆 [21-Apr-25 12:19 PM] jab.sh#0000 and yeah good call-out, LM is a good place to check too but not necessarily something you can rely on [21-Apr-25 12:19 PM] pagy1234#0000 on prun planner, use the planet search for Hephaestus, then test some WPL buildings making NL [21-Apr-25 12:19 PM] pagy1234#0000 no shipping constraints cuz its same system as ANT CX, relatively cheap base, and great ROI [21-Apr-25 12:20 PM] igfloz#0000 This is probably a better cash generator right now [21-Apr-25 12:36 PM] harkenn#0000 Yeah that looks good. I'm not sure if producing LDEs from NL is actually better, profitability wise, in the long term (as opposed to just selling the NL) but I guess that'll be a problem for me to figure out later on. [21-Apr-25 12:37 PM] harkenn#0000 The only thing that occurs to me is that nothing else out of the WPL is anywhere near as profitable as NL is....which makes this a little susceptible to either overproduction of NL or a change that reduces NLs demand, no? [21-Apr-25 12:54 PM] jcheung#0000 if selling NL, i suggest using 5k as the sell number. historically it's been around that, and if it settles to a new higher number then you'll just have a pleasant increase in profit. [21-Apr-25 12:58 PM] laaxus#0000 The price of NL is high because there isn't enough production [21-Apr-25 12:58 PM] laaxus#0000 I put a high bid because I want higher production [21-Apr-25 12:59 PM] laaxus#0000 With 1000 unit, there's largely enough to get the base back in profit, thrice over [21-Apr-25 01:56 PM] realharvey#0000 5k is a little very old. 5800-6800 is a reasonable range I think [21-Apr-25 01:57 PM] laaxus#0000 I believe NL new price will be around 5800 - 6k [21-Apr-25 01:57 PM] laaxus#0000 might be wrong, let's see [21-Apr-25 02:13 PM] jcheung#0000 i would be leery of relying on that. last year around this time NL prices had risen to 5-6k, then right after i had gotten NL plants online it crashed to 4k/u for several months [21-Apr-25 02:13 PM] jcheung#0000 with how high NL prices are, i would expect it to settle in around 5.5k, but i would still use 5k when selling [21-Apr-25 02:39 PM] jab.sh#0000 so what's the ROI at 5k? [21-Apr-25 02:40 PM] laaxus#0000 Dépends on location [21-Apr-25 02:40 PM] laaxus#0000 It's ok Bad on heph, awfull on astraeus [21-Apr-25 02:47 PM] realharvey#0000 With inflation on almost all products currently I think its gonna be higher. But none of us can really predict the market [21-Apr-25 03:13 PM] igfloz#0000 @harkenn with my PRO licence coming to an end, one of my goals was to pay -forward an AGP grant. So I'm just gonna send ya 1mil AIC contract. take the money and terminate the cont 😄 - Have lots of fun and be careful to keep some cash back for sundries [21-Apr-25 03:13 PM] getonthetrain#0000 some people don't look at numbers and just dump at market underbidding all the time [21-Apr-25 03:22 PM] harkenn#0000 @igfloz I appreciate it; my plans for construction had been trepedatiously received each time I've presented them, so I'll hold on those and take maybe 1 more day to solicit ideas for starter base designs; perhaps look around tonight at the precursors to actual construction and see if any of those are profitable (with tolerable shipping volumes, like NL has) as well. [21-Apr-25 03:23 PM] harkenn#0000 And then perhaps proceed - if no other options present themselves - with NL on heph [21-Apr-25 03:23 PM] igfloz#0000 cont is already sent - accept whenever you like 😄 [21-Apr-25 03:24 PM] igfloz#0000 oh, there we go - done ! [21-Apr-25 03:24 PM] harkenn#0000 Confirmed (for the purposes of whomever manages the spreadsheet to add me and Igfloz to it) [21-Apr-25 03:25 PM] harkenn#0000 I wonder if epoxy is profitable to construct....it was an enormous expense on the PP2/PP3 plant [21-Apr-25 03:26 PM] igfloz#0000 EPO is quite popular to make at the moment - I think there is already a project involving it [21-Apr-25 03:28 PM] igfloz#0000 ....and yeah - R-fabs are not a starting area to work in in my opinion [21-Apr-25 03:28 PM] harkenn#0000 R-Fabs? [21-Apr-25 03:28 PM] igfloz#0000 RBH etc [21-Apr-25 03:29 PM] harkenn#0000 For the same reasons cited above? logistical complexities? [21-Apr-25 03:29 PM] igfloz#0000 B-fabs, L-fabs, R-fabs etc. [21-Apr-25 03:30 PM] igfloz#0000 just the expense of buying materials - a lot of people manufacture the ingredients internally [21-Apr-25 03:30 PM] igfloz#0000 which, in turn leads to multiple planets(bases) required that specialise in required COGC for each ingredient [21-Apr-25 03:32 PM] igfloz#0000 @jvaler - just an FYI 🙂 [21-Apr-25 03:33 PM] harkenn#0000 Ohhh, it seems like there are quite a few combinations in manufacturing that are profitable [21-Apr-25 03:33 PM] harkenn#0000 Oh, 20 BMPs is quite an expensive factory though, lol [21-Apr-25 03:34 PM] igfloz#0000 indeed, 1 mil gets you "started" [21-Apr-25 03:34 PM] harkenn#0000 and only PWO is logistically simple enough to manage w/ starter ships [21-Apr-25 03:36 PM] igfloz#0000 the NL option on Hephaestus is a very valid start right now [21-Apr-25 03:37 PM] harkenn#0000 Yeah I was mostly just looking at other options to diversify, especially if there was uncertainty about what price NL is likely to be settling down to [21-Apr-25 03:38 PM] igfloz#0000 whatever it settles to - you will still make some profit. I can't see it falling off a cliff yet [21-Apr-25 03:41 PM] jcheung#0000 Nice thing about BMPs is it's very easy to flex into a different product {Reactions} 💯 [21-Apr-25 03:42 PM] igfloz#0000 indeed [21-Apr-25 03:44 PM] jvaler#0000 ty {Reactions} 👍 [21-Apr-25 03:59 PM] getonthetrain#0000 more BMPs needed in Antares space! {Reactions} 👆 [21-Apr-25 04:44 PM] tanda#0000 More Manufacturing period. Papa needs some SCA! [21-Apr-25 06:44 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm laying down 11 SCA soon™️ [22-Apr-25 07:42 AM] bigtoot#0000 I want to build my second base. My first one was for DNPC co-op on deimos. Got some cash from it now and looking at two options to expand in Antares. I wanted to see if I could get a grant to start personal base, outside of the DNPC co-op. I've got two minds, and am looking for some feedback. I was initially excited about making CL on griff, as it seems like good payout [Griff CL](https://prunplanner.org/shared/9f5ca25b-3af8-49ab-a09f-4f31f19b4eda) But I saw people mentioned BMP above and that looks possibly better? depending on market conditions, and once I get experts. [Heph BMP](https://prunplanner.org/shared/9e9f5481-ad3a-4859-888c-ee8167153449) Anything I'm missing? Are either of these a good idea? Both need a bit of cash to get going, so I wanted to combine the grant with the cash I have on hand [22-Apr-25 07:49 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 having two minds must be terrific {Reactions} 😂 [22-Apr-25 07:49 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 😂 [22-Apr-25 07:58 AM] bigtoot#0000 🤣 Not if one is never sure of the other. Constant battle [22-Apr-25 08:11 AM] laaxus#0000 I would recommend WPL on hephaestus [22-Apr-25 08:11 AM] laaxus#0000 (9 wpl 1 ppf) [22-Apr-25 08:12 AM] laaxus#0000 CL Price is going down, we don't know at what Price yet [22-Apr-25 08:12 AM] laaxus#0000 Tho HAL -> EPO will Never be bad [22-Apr-25 08:13 AM] laaxus#0000 Don't misunderstand, CL isn't a Bad choice [22-Apr-25 09:22 AM] jab.sh#0000 I'd like to fund this grant 🙂 {Reactions} 👆 [22-Apr-25 10:41 AM] harkenn#0000 @laaxus lol you keep recommending WPL and my profitability on this newly established AGP base is going to be shot. 😆 [22-Apr-25 10:48 AM] jab.sh#0000 @bigtoot I just sent you the grant contract cc @jvaler 🙂 [22-Apr-25 10:51 AM] evany.#0000 hey there. welcome [22-Apr-25 10:52 AM] laaxus#0000 Don't worry, one PP2 base requires 3 WPL ones [22-Apr-25 10:55 AM] harkenn#0000 Yeah but I have big scary red numbers scaring all us newbs away from PP2 bases {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1364268407574368357/image.png?ex=6814eaf7&is=68139977&hm=a7bb03df69c459bb7dc8f870c66bb99293136d26a05225f155647279c2218c41& [22-Apr-25 10:56 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm the largest bidder of nl [22-Apr-25 10:56 AM] laaxus#0000 And yet no one feeds it [22-Apr-25 10:57 AM] jab.sh#0000 you're making me consider a 2nd WPL base now 😄 [22-Apr-25 10:57 AM] harkenn#0000 Well, it looks like you might have a couple people now [22-Apr-25 10:58 AM] laaxus#0000 You won't regret it #nobambzole #norefund {Reactions} 🤣 [22-Apr-25 10:59 AM] jab.sh#0000 I do think I want to do the ISA system first [22-Apr-25 11:11 AM] bigtoot#0000 Good q, how to know big red scary number is not scary? [22-Apr-25 11:11 AM] bigtoot#0000 Doesn't that imply it's not profitable? Or are market shenanigans at play? [22-Apr-25 11:15 AM] realharvey#0000 In case of pp2 there are market shenanigans at play [22-Apr-25 11:15 AM] evany.#0000 it shows LDE as not profitable because its currently on the CX for about 9k a unit and LDE only sells for 10 which is why it shows that [22-Apr-25 11:15 AM] realharvey#0000 Normal NL price is between 5500 and 6500 [22-Apr-25 11:15 AM] evany.#0000 there are some things where its not profitable to make - NL is not actually worth the 10k being asked for on the CX [22-Apr-25 11:17 AM] evany.#0000 if you were buying NL at the ask price though - 6k LDE will be still profitable, but not by much (NL @ 6k + 3*AL @ 2.1k and consumable cost ~say round to like 7500 total cost - the other 1.5 would be your margin - but that ~15% margin ins rather low for a new player your gonna want something abit more healthy (30%+) [22-Apr-25 11:18 AM] harkenn#0000 @bigtoot I have also noticed (as a new player) that some things that aren't profitable in the planner (but have obvious uses) are part of production chains. I'd be very surprised if anyone selling LDE, for example, isn't producing their own NL (and probably AL too since its even simpler to setup) [22-Apr-25 11:19 AM] harkenn#0000 That last part is speculation, but is the logical conclusion. [22-Apr-25 11:19 AM] evany.#0000 is that true? i've never asked about LFABS but i've never heard of people running their own textiles [22-Apr-25 11:20 AM] evany.#0000 i've always purchased mine for L/R fabs.. [22-Apr-25 11:20 AM] harkenn#0000 I don't know that for fact, I'm very new, but given how much NL cuts into the profitability of LDE, the obvious answer would be to produce your own. [22-Apr-25 11:21 AM] harkenn#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1364274840152051783/image.png?ex=6814f0f4&is=68139f74&hm=e9850232df1f098314f7c6ad06ce1f7a647972783c333fc0d9bab553bab0a4ca& [22-Apr-25 11:21 AM] harkenn#0000 At least at current market prices in Ant, its ~70% more profitable (after accounting for the price of PG) to produce your own NL for LDE [22-Apr-25 11:22 AM] evany.#0000 for an older player your right, but everytime i've looked at textile planets they have been less than desireable margin wise. [22-Apr-25 11:23 AM] jab.sh#0000 what's a good 2nd choice for WPL after heph? [22-Apr-25 11:23 AM] harkenn#0000 That's the seutp that I was suggested for my AGP-funded base, WPL on Heph producing NL. ~80/day [22-Apr-25 11:24 AM] evany.#0000 last i looked- PPF.. [22-Apr-25 11:24 AM] jab.sh#0000 I mean WPL planet, not building [22-Apr-25 11:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 for WPL theres not many [22-Apr-25 11:24 AM] evany.#0000 ah [22-Apr-25 11:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 ROI goes up massively without triple green [22-Apr-25 11:25 AM] jab.sh#0000 ZV-307e? [22-Apr-25 11:27 AM] evany.#0000 according to prunplanner ia-151c [22-Apr-25 11:27 AM] harkenn#0000 The less habitable, the better the ROI? I thought building on triple green was easier/cheaper? [22-Apr-25 11:28 AM] jab.sh#0000 up as in longer (worse) [22-Apr-25 11:28 AM] harkenn#0000 oh ok [22-Apr-25 11:28 AM] evany.#0000 sea/ins [22-Apr-25 11:28 AM] jab.sh#0000 800 open jobs there [22-Apr-25 11:29 AM] jab.sh#0000 CAAP has manufacturing bases on Astraeus [22-Apr-25 11:30 AM] evany.#0000 ugh hse [22-Apr-25 11:31 AM] jab.sh#0000 well when each base is making 60k/week profit it works out [22-Apr-25 11:31 AM] evany.#0000 aye [22-Apr-25 11:38 AM] igfloz#0000 You're in luck - just dropped a few HSE on the CX 😄 [22-Apr-25 11:45 AM] bigtoot#0000 Thank you ❤️ [22-Apr-25 12:00 PM] harkenn#0000 @jab.sh Are you already maxed on heph? or was there some other reason to not build there? (I was just curious to understand your motivations since it doesn't sound like its acutlaly better than heph) [22-Apr-25 12:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 my heph base is for CAAP [22-Apr-25 12:08 PM] titantula9656#0000 My LDE production has dropped to about 20 per day since the NL drought [22-Apr-25 12:09 PM] titantula9656#0000 I only have 81 left in stock, [22-Apr-25 12:10 PM] titantula9656#0000 Thats 900k I dont want to sell [22-Apr-25 12:15 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll drop 650 lde on the market [22-Apr-25 12:15 PM] laaxus#0000 Won't be enough [22-Apr-25 03:50 PM] jvaler#0000 logged ty [22-Apr-25 03:54 PM] jvaler#0000 we're coming up on 100mil total donated {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1364343577819484251/image.png?ex=68148839&is=681336b9&hm=3f57ea9a31a60f145c0584ba49886bd4c627bbca67e954e5908ac7eeeffaeebf& {Reactions} 🎉 (4) 🌈 ❤️ 🍉 [22-Apr-25 03:56 PM] jvaler#0000 there's probably a few people in here that haven't been logged tho [22-Apr-25 03:56 PM] jvaler#0000 but i cba to scour the chat for them lmao [22-Apr-25 08:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 don't I get a role or something 😆 [22-Apr-25 08:16 PM] jvaler#0000 o ya [22-Apr-25 08:30 PM] jab.sh#0000 ❤️ [22-Apr-25 08:30 PM] jab.sh#0000 @bigtoot you should accept the grant contract 👀 [22-Apr-25 09:56 PM] bigtoot#0000 done {Reactions} 😎 👍🏼 [23-Apr-25 01:08 AM] bishopsix#0000 Welcome to indentured servitude! The pay is mid, but at least the chains are complimentary. 😄 [28-Apr-25 09:13 AM] pyriand#0000 @jvaler Does the AGP only apply to projects inside Antares faction space or is it also applicable to like 1 jump away from the Antares faction space [28-Apr-25 09:22 AM] jab.sh#0000 can you share the plan? [28-Apr-25 09:25 AM] pyriand#0000 Havent decided anything on yet, trying to explore my options on what can be made in the Antares region that is not too expensive to setup [28-Apr-25 09:33 AM] jab.sh#0000 take a look at #agp-information, there's some tools there to help you out [28-Apr-25 10:09 AM] laaxus#0000 While I still consider CL to be good, I would recommend to wait a bit for the market to stabilize [28-Apr-25 10:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 HAL is also jumping around alot [28-Apr-25 10:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 so unless you make your own HAL its probably not a great time to enter the market [28-Apr-25 10:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 IMO [28-Apr-25 10:28 AM] jab.sh#0000 huh BDE is showing 6d roi [28-Apr-25 10:28 AM] .urpalhal#0000 With PP2?! [28-Apr-25 10:29 AM] jab.sh#0000 PP1 [28-Apr-25 10:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh yeah that makes sense [28-Apr-25 10:32 AM] jab.sh#0000 NL is 7d [28-Apr-25 10:32 AM] jab.sh#0000 CL is still 5d but the price hasn't settled [28-Apr-25 10:33 AM] laaxus#0000 Yes PP1 is a great beginner base [28-Apr-25 11:09 AM] marat_sh#0000 I have so much CL piled up Would you like me to increase it? 😅 {Reactions} 🤣 [28-Apr-25 11:10 AM] marat_sh#0000 I trade finished CL products instead of CL itself [28-Apr-25 11:17 AM] jab.sh#0000 I don't sell CL myself, it's all used internally [28-Apr-25 11:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 By ADI definition, more then just the orange systems are Antares. So you’ll be most likely be fine [28-Apr-25 11:42 AM] jab.sh#0000 your username is DemonisSlime? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1366454662680809532/screenshot_20250428104251.png?ex=6814f613&is=6813a493&hm=997a5ca9a6027393b35fd6ab2891f61714b14d3ec55be99025f143534f8838ac& [28-Apr-25 11:43 AM] pyriand#0000 woops typo... ill fix it now [28-Apr-25 11:43 AM] jab.sh#0000 ah demonic 😄 [28-Apr-25 11:44 AM] jab.sh#0000 so AGP is for members in Antares - technically you're not in Antares yet. I'm not sure how that works if you want to get a grant for a base in ANT space [28-Apr-25 11:44 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm pretty sure it Works as long as the granted base is in antares {Reactions} 👍 (2) [28-Apr-25 11:45 AM] jab.sh#0000 I switched you back to associate for now [28-Apr-25 12:15 PM] pyriand#0000 Could someone take a look at this? Would there be something better in the region? https://prunplanner.org/shared/adcd35e1-4708-44d9-a79f-4b8f3afd4138 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/adcd35e1-4708-44d9-a79f-4b8f3afd4138 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [28-Apr-25 12:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 a triple green planet would be better [28-Apr-25 12:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 Electronica or Griffonstone [28-Apr-25 12:19 PM] pyriand#0000 What sector is Electronica (the 2 letter designation) [28-Apr-25 12:21 PM] jab.sh#0000 Electronica (IY-028c) Griffonstone (LS-300c) {Reactions} 👍 [28-Apr-25 01:00 PM] jcheung#0000 bober isn't the worst for that base just because of CX proximity, but TSH is a little expensive [28-Apr-25 01:00 PM] jcheung#0000 that said i also offer tsh at 31k/u if you end up needing some {Reactions} 🌈 [29-Apr-25 12:43 PM] potaterror#0000 Full planets? What're those? [01-May-25 09:11 AM] shipyards#0000 Thoughts? https://prunplanner.org/shared/b5604d39-c967-4556-b6f5-ea603f8ebd19 see the construction costs to see how much I would actually need; this is basically just a doubling of my current base {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/b5604d39-c967-4556-b6f5-ea603f8ebd19 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [01-May-25 09:15 AM] sidepipe#0000 Welcome! It’s always good to see another Harmonia farmer - that’s how I started too 😄 {Reactions} ❤️ [01-May-25 09:16 AM] jcheung#0000 needing a second permit for one area isn't ideal [01-May-25 09:16 AM] jcheung#0000 you can optimize housing so that you don't need to waste a second permit [01-May-25 09:16 AM] shipyards#0000 oh actually yeah ill do that [01-May-25 09:16 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1367504959700209754/image.png?ex=6814d3bd&is=6813823d&hm=5117f1d551a3d157177dcc9ee80ace6626bf5d0bcddf2b368e85e86460324dc2& [01-May-25 09:16 AM] shipyards#0000 aight done it fits on one permit now [01-May-25 09:17 AM] sidepipe#0000 Just a few things to consider. Feel free to ask if any of these terms are unfamiliar: 1. it’s typically more cost effective to buy H2O than to extract it on Harmonia. You make more money having FRMs than you save by having RIGs, if that makes sense 2. You’ll eventually want to move your FP/FER to another planet like Norwick to get the full COGC bonus (which you could use the full grant for, if you’re interested) [01-May-25 09:17 AM] jcheung#0000 hmmm. i don't particularly like how many industries you have on one planet [01-May-25 09:18 AM] shipyards#0000 do i buy H20 and ship it? thats a lot of stuff to move [01-May-25 09:18 AM] jcheung#0000 general rule of thumb is 2 industries max, and one should match the COGC {Reactions} 👍 [01-May-25 09:18 AM] loans_13178#0000 Not really, rigs may be helpful in the beginning but eventually they just aren't as worth it long term. {Reactions} 👍 [01-May-25 09:19 AM] jcheung#0000 so if you drop the rigs entirely, your shipping only goes up to 53t/d [01-May-25 09:19 AM] jcheung#0000 which is a visit a week [01-May-25 09:21 AM] shipyards#0000 aight lemme do some planning and I'll be back [01-May-25 09:21 AM] jvaler#0000 for FRMs, almost always [01-May-25 09:22 AM] jvaler#0000 they export more agri than the water they consume, so it adds no logistical strain to do so {Reactions} 👍 [01-May-25 09:24 AM] jcheung#0000 i would consider this if you want to broadly keep the same structure. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254643011980234863/1367507014707843193/image.png?ex=6814d5a7&is=68138427&hm=8305ca2fc2ace1b3d56e7e6ce17284109ec54a53f7bc261fd4d65c58f04fd8ea& [01-May-25 09:25 AM] shipyards#0000 lmao thats exactly what I just planned [01-May-25 09:25 AM] jcheung#0000 though can swap the STO for one RIG if you want, since shipping isn't much [01-May-25 09:25 AM] jcheung#0000 oh, i also bumped RAT and DW up one [01-May-25 09:25 AM] loans_13178#0000 This is 100% correct. [01-May-25 09:27 AM] shipyards#0000 alr: https://prunplanner.org/shared/b5604d39-c967-4556-b6f5-ea603f8ebd19 should be much more streamlined as many of you suggest {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/b5604d39-c967-4556-b6f5-ea603f8ebd19 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [01-May-25 09:29 AM] jcheung#0000 don't see any particularly large holes to poke at, so you get to wait for someone to pick you up 😄 {Reactions} ❤️ [01-May-25 09:32 AM] sidepipe#0000 If @jcheung is happy with it, then I’m happy to cover the grant 😄 [01-May-25 09:33 AM] sidepipe#0000 @shipyards you mentioned wanting half the grant earlier. Are you fine with the full 1M? [01-May-25 09:34 AM] shipyards#0000 I mean I won’t complain [01-May-25 09:34 AM] sidepipe#0000 (You may not need it all, but you’re entitled to all of it so you might as well take it and use it for something else) [01-May-25 09:34 AM] jcheung#0000 the rest of it can be used for feedstock 😛 {Reactions} 👆 (2) [01-May-25 09:34 AM] shipyards#0000 True [01-May-25 09:34 AM] jcheung#0000 granted [01-May-25 09:34 AM] jcheung#0000 500k of feed for harmonia is a lot [01-May-25 09:34 AM] sidepipe#0000 That also makes things easier for me because I don’t need to edit the contract on mobile 😄 {Reactions} ❤️ [01-May-25 09:34 AM] jcheung#0000 but you can also use it to start a second base 😂 [01-May-25 09:35 AM] shipyards#0000 I’ll check my conts in about 45 minutes I’ve gotta finish Calc test [01-May-25 09:37 AM] sidepipe#0000 Sounds good! Just remember, (fg)’ = f’g + g’f or something like that 😄 {Reactions} ❤️ 🤣 [01-May-25 09:47 AM] loans_13178#0000 NOOOOOO, Why is Calc slipping into every part of my life, first it was another server now this one. Why can't I just enjoy a small break. {Reactions} 🤣 (2) [01-May-25 09:47 AM] laaxus#0000 calc 1 was fun [01-May-25 09:48 AM] laaxus#0000 calc on the complex plane was **not** fun [01-May-25 09:48 AM] sidepipe#0000 I loved calc 1, hated calc 2, and loved calc 3 and differential equations 😄 [01-May-25 09:49 AM] sidepipe#0000 I’ll send you contracts in game with calculus facts in the preamble 😂 {Reactions} 🤣 (2) [01-May-25 09:56 AM] jcheung#0000 be a shame if... the preamble was auto collapsed {Reactions} 🤣 (2) [01-May-25 09:58 AM] loans_13178#0000 neither one of you would dare [01-May-25 09:58 AM] sidepipe#0000 I thought that was fun personally, but I also don’t remember any of it now. So it must not have been _that_ fun 😄 [01-May-25 09:59 AM] loans_13178#0000 so are you a rectangular coordinates or polar [01-May-25 10:01 AM] loans_13178#0000 or your so traumatized you have stockholmed by a type of math [01-May-25 10:01 AM] shipyards#0000 Chat I cooked on that Calc test {Reactions} 🔥 (3) [01-May-25 10:01 AM] shipyards#0000 94.5 [01-May-25 10:02 AM] loans_13178#0000 Proud of you {Reactions} ❤️ [01-May-25 10:02 AM] sidepipe#0000 You earned your 1M 😎 {Reactions} 😆 [01-May-25 10:07 AM] sidepipe#0000 Polar coordinates in the complex plane always made me feel like a math wizard [01-May-25 10:21 AM] shipyards#0000 Indeed [01-May-25 10:23 AM] shipyards#0000 @sidepipe appreicate it, ive got a ship on the way for tmrw moring; ill bring back everything and get to work : ) {Reactions} 🫶 [01-May-25 11:27 AM] shipyards#0000 aight litterally filled my whole station wharehouse full of parts+consumeables [01-May-25 11:28 AM] loans_13178#0000 Don't let the station worker steal a RAT or two [01-May-25 11:28 AM] shipyards#0000 I'll keep an eye out [01-May-25 11:30 AM] loans_13178#0000 You need to have a firm hand with them, once gave one some DW and soon my WAR was empty [01-May-25 12:07 PM] pagy1234#0000 Is there a way to make it not auto collapse? [01-May-25 12:08 PM] jcheung#0000 it's an rprun setting {Reactions} 👆 [01-May-25 12:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 oh ok [01-May-25 12:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 lemme see [01-May-25 12:11 PM] pagy1234#0000 any chance you know what its called? [01-May-25 12:11 PM] pagy1234#0000 i cant find a anything with a name i can relate it too ============================================================== Exported 9,459 message(s) ==============================================================